Maggie Haberman on What an Unleashed Trump Might Do

[@marthawhite3353]

Some of the commenters have said, 'hey! why are these two reporters so calm in the face of such horrendous insanity!?' But I think, that knowing as much as she does and having it known it for years, it is just a very quiet acceptance of the reality we are facing. Yes, the rest of us are aghast at Trump's lunacy, but with so much exposure and in depth experience with her subject - she shows her depth of understanding by being so calm and thoughtful. That's her job as a journalist, detached observation. Now, the rest of us - we should be mad as hell and do something about it.

[@J.M.-nb4gw]

Maggie is a despicable Trump sycophant and enabler, pay attention m0r0n 🙄

[@fsa-v7c]

Journalists aren't robots. She's a citizen too and has some responsibility to our country other than just an observer.

[@KrisCorby-iv8dg]

Amen!...👍🏼

[@KrisCorby-iv8dg]

😅😆😂

[@hotttt28]

Don't boo, Vote !

[@ZOELIFE23]

“When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross” Sinclair Lewis

[@iankclark]

Ah Sinclair Lewis -- a giant of literature if there ever wasn't one.

[@ricardodsavant2965]

🤣

[@coreyham3753]

Chump is the perfect example of that.

[@ricardodsavant2965]

@@coreyham3753 -What are your plans if he wins? Some people are leaving the country.

[@ThaKKatt]

that's an apocryphal quote and he never said that or anything close to it

[@denisehall4818]

60 minutes of telling the audience that Trump as president in 2024 will be a shit show.

[@stuofthepots]

Which people new from the minute he wandered down the escalator, same old shit. Pointless conversation again

[@WackadoodleMalarkey]

I hope to God that Harris wins, but I'm also morbidly curious as to how much of ashitshow Trump America 2.0 would be

[@markg.7865]

He is a deranged demagogue, that isn't fit to run a lemonade stand.

[@RimfireRob-o2y]

@@markg.7865 Ok soy boy. Tell us exactly how the last 4 years have been. I’ll bet you want to be on the girls basketball team.

[@Moxie696]

They won’t be as the massive blue tidal wave of early voting 🗳️ will prevail as truth, honesty, character, integrity and justice matters. Truth is truth and always is truth. Lies and deception and cons always play in the dark and their lies eventually rise to the light from the darkness. The American people will come to see, hear and know the truth and not half truths as the story has been unfolding and I’m sure a big bang wake up is gonna reveal a grand finale. Only those who live in fear and weakness will keep being quiet about his corruption. Truly sad as truth always prevails and justice matters! 💙

[@kmlund42]

Having such a calm talk about the dangers of Trump is spine chilling. I am hoping we have some honest courageous people that stand up for democratic values and the will of the people. If taking away women’s rights is a preview of things to some I pray we can remain a free country.

[@Mark-kq6ch]

What dangers? Democrats have already prosecuted several of their political enemies, including Trump. Isn't that dangerous? Why are you only worried about Trump doing it when it's his opponents who have already done it?

[@scarletsletter4466]

Listen, I’m a dem too but don’t worry, this is mostly hyperbole for entertainment & to push folks to vote. Nobody truly believes Trump is a fascist, or Schumer & Bloomberg wouldn’t attend charity events with him, half the country wouldn’t vote for him, & Haberman wouldn’t speak this way. We survived his last term, right? The US parties are very similar on everything except immigration & monetary policy, so just vote based on that & try not to worry too much. If repro rights are an issue in your state, you’ve got to take action at the state level, since SCOTUS already ruled that is a matter of state law. It’s deceptive for Harris (or any POTUS candidate) to run on that issue at the federal level. Neither party has sufficient support to get a constitutional amendment either to ban it (which there’s no appetite for anyway) or guarantee it as a right (which SCOTUS would overturn, since we can’t force Catholics & Muslims to perform these procedures).

[@shinyshinythings]

The scenario I can’t get out of my head is where Vance uses the 25th Amendment to take power. Reproductive rights are just the start for these people. Some allies of Vance in the “Christian right” would love nothing more than to take the vote away from women too.

[@zen-Tii]

Free country? The fact that Trump is a candidate means we’re doomed.

[@justinlinnane8043]

its a national embarrassment that journalists and the political media have failed so comprehensibly to scrutinise and challenge Trump and the rise of MAGA. iIndeed they have been complicit in Trump rise . the American political media is the weakest in the democratic world and frankly a laughing stock !!

[@snowmonster42]

Maggie referred to his "so called cognitive decline" in a way that made it pretty clear that she just doesn't buy it because he hasn't changed, he's just more like himself. I understand why she said that, but she's not understanding the situation. For anyone who agrees with Maggie, I want to explain that this is exactly what cognitive decline looks like. The loss of inhibition that they decribe is a manifestaion of his cognitive decline. The process of maturation is fundamentally one of inhibiting behaviors that aren't helpful or appropriate. The loosening of self controls in someone of Trump's age is a very ominous symptom.

[@markhammer643]

I think a portion of his "loss of inhibition" is largely a product of his self-induced sleep deprivation. Consider that the timestamps on many of his most angry bombastic posts are in the wee small hours of the morning. How much sleep does the guy get? It's not like Melania is going to roll over in bed and say "For heaven's sake, Donald, put your phone away. I'm trying to get some sleep.", because they're nowhere near each other. Moreover, no aid is going to tell him to go to sleep and he wouldn't listen anyway. He IS slower, yes, and that is a very normative part of being anything over 50. But my sense is the sleep deprivation is amplifying whatever age-related cognitive changes have occurred. He certainly HAS become "more like himself", which is true of a great many people. But the "self" he has crystallized is the guy who is "boss" that tells YOU what to do, and takes no advice because, as boss, he knows better than anyone. It is a personality he has trapped himself into.

[@chadmccoy8032]

If anyone is in doubt, they should watch the Detroit Economic Club where he was talking about Elon being rockets down into perfect circles and then jumping to talking about Biden not filling the 8 circles and how they are beautiful circles that he misses. Dudes in major decline.

[@jerryeinstandig7996]

thank for summing that up

[@snowmonster42]

@@markhammer643 These things are not mutually exclusive. Disrupted sleep patterns are a common sequella of cognitive impairment. And actually, with people who are aging normally, personality disorders tend to get a little better with age - borderlines burn out, psychopaths get a little lonely, and narcissistic people are willing to overlook a few of the shortcomings they see in their kids because they want to see their grandkids. There are certainly people who don't follow this trend, and of course, even those who manage to through their entire lives without learning any wisdom whatsoever will use their most primitive coping skills when they are under stress. Still, though, most of our brain processes are inhibitory. His loss of inhibition is now pretty easy to see, but people don't seem to realize that it's not that he is waiting longer to put on the brakes; the problem is that the brakes have worn away. He's still got some, but eventually they will wear away completely.

[@slavajuri]

It's very silly the degree to which she massages the edges. He's different cos "he's older." He's slower cos "he's older." He isn't as eloquent because "he's older." What does being older mean, exactly? At this age, it means decline! That's normal. Call it what it is. As to her characterization of there being "no massive difference," I would beg anyone who actually believes that to go watch his 2015-2016 debates and compare them to this year. The difference is stark. He's not the same dude. He's been wilting before our eyes since he took the Presidency; that should be no excuse for failing to reckon with just how far he's fallen.

[@NPgirl56]

Always enjoy the NYT podcasts. Always enjoy listening to Maggie. But I will have to stop consuming news for the next 4 years for my own sanity. 😫

[@gghhiiyy456]

If you’re in the us the repercussions will find you

[@IsothermeMusic]

My god, that’s very well said. I’ve been a glutton for it.

[@captainbobsparrow9092]

@@gghhiiyy456right? People think they can just ignore what happens trump is elected again- good luck with that plan!

[@divinelovebath]

@@captainbobsparrow9092 I did it last time 😂

[@bryonmacdonald3125]

Bad option from my view, sorry.

[@mjscafidi]

I’ve never heard someone describe so many ways of LYING without ever calling it that.

[@rotorheadv8]

The Leftist Media lies to you. Amazing you can’t see it.

[@NewsStuff-y5o]

I knew a person who voted for Trump the first time and I asked him why are you voting for Trump. He told me something I never forgot. "i am voting for him because he is chaos and that is attractive to me. This person on my job caused havoc on my job before he left and was a chaos personality.

[@mjscafidi]

A head of state responsible for the health, safety and well-being of hundreds of millions of people should never be a chaos agent. We saw the effects real-time during pandemic. Death, destruction, desperation.

[@brobinson8614]

He's a semantics ballerina lol.

[@superclaymaster]

That will be her biggest legacy

[@linneafolger9932]

“Filter is gone”. I am reminded of when my doc, talking to me about my dad’s aging, noted that I should be prepared for his prefrontal cortex not working as well. This means loss of udgement, executive function, filter etc.

[@todow48]

You voted Biden.

[@sarahhearn-vonfoerster7401]

​@@todow48 Biden usually got his message across, in spite of speech difficulties...his few lapses were explainable, and never those of lunacy, like Trump.

[@alan2007-x8x]

@@todow48 Biden showed the normal signs of memory decline common among those of his age. He has shown no signs of dementia, which is, as the commentator says, a dangerous condition because of loss of judgement, executive function, etc. Books written by psychiatrists warning of Trump's malignant narcissism and dementia have appeared in recent years. Not one psychiatrist has ever suggested that this applies to Biden - quite the opposite, psychiatrists have clearly described the vast differences between Biden and Trump. If you support the racist policies or other hateful ideas of Trump then have the courage to say so. Don't try (unsuccessfully) to justify your vote on some other issue.

[@tcorourke2007]

​@@sarahhearn-vonfoerster7401 Biden did NOT "get his message across." He routinely slurred his speech, stammered, lost his train of thought, was utterly incoherent, and wandered around stage when he was finished. But please, by all means, continue to discredit yourself by denying the obvious.

[@tcorourke2007]

My dad had dementia =/= Trump is in cognitive decline.

[@danielbliss1988]

Still sane-washing I see, and as for the information about his failings, why did we not get that in 2015, rather than multiple stories every day about an email server that turned out to be nothing more than mild paranoia on the part of the Democratic candidate about data protection. The "What Trump Wants?" segment should have been front and center of the Times coverage in 2015, and these people easily had the background to cover it successfully, but they did not.

[@MP-cd5kk]

Exactly

[@sdk58]

We did. But his cult didn’t care about his character. Same this ti e around.

[@renekostolnik5709]

And no mention of Project 25...

[@paulkoop7042]

We did, and again mental health professionals (225) have warned (NYT open letter) us about this monster - malignant narcissist, sexual sadist psychopath. An eighth grade coward and bully with the emotional intelligence of a two-year old.

[@DaveSchultzXXL]

When did you realize Joe Biden had dementia and was not fit to run for reelection?

[@sarahwilliams9310]

The main and important comment”He has no interest or respect for the democratic process”. Hello ! This is not a trump business , it is your / our government .

Democratic process? You mean like when Democrats tried to stage a coup by fabricating a Russian conspiracy? When Hillary said Trump's victory was illegitimate?

[@hirokou.9030]

I just can't believe that these people who know Trump so well speak so quietly and intelligently and watch Trump become President. This is so unreal.

[@NHPackerfan2]

Normally, MH's description of how DJT understands truth, that truth is what he wants it to be, is called delusional. He tries to will the outer world to be like his inner world; or, he tries to move through the outer world the way he would move through hi s inner world. Whatever his mental status, I’m decidedly uneasy electing anyone so who openly admires ruthless dictators.

[@jamesmedina2062]

@@NHPackerfan2the problem is that many people are underdeveloped children especially in the US so just like Germans supported Hitler, many semi-literate people will support Trump. Sad but true.

[@jamesmedina2062]

Unfortunately we are all pretty powerless to a lunatic uniting the less educated around us

[@Keepitkind7]

Maggie's take-down of Trump was severe. Just because she wasn't shouting or name-calling or... I found it refreshing and much more impactful as to why Trump is unhinged and unpredictable in his desire for sole power. The nuance, knowledge and intellectual reasoning (some here describe as quiet or in support of Trump), is missing the mark. I find her take-down of Trump in the manner she is holds more weight. It's clear to me, she is voting against Trump for the REASONS she lays out "intellectually." I appreciate intelligent conversations as opposed to childish insults.

[@madfoxcityemnau6414]

The rich and powerful always take care of their own. Too bad so many poor and working poor voters can't wake up to this or is being painted as not awake to this fact. We'll fund out on Nov 5 and I would just note even if blue dominates the fact that it's so close is a symptom of the real issue. The abject hatred of poor, working and immigrant ppl particularly women. The grass is not gonna be greener once we cross the road on Nov. 5. I think the problem is that the white powerful political gatekeepers were too lazy and/or too stupid to step tf up to do their gd jobs. It's the only reason why a completely fascist patronage system is even being offered out'loud. It's not just loyalists. It's treachery and continued treason and Americans in my opinion in the main do NOT gaf about it bc we were groomed by these so called rep leadership to accept a complete shitbird in public office. Praying for a peaceful vote and count. Let's be careful out there❤❤️‍🩹💙

[@davidgoins2461]

I can’t define how much respect I have for these two journalists.

[@omegapointil5741]

DITTO

[@cervenypes123]

Try

[@DGNYY27]

If that’s a joke, it’s both funny and well executed

[@LindyMia-ft9md]

I can define, and I have defined in the comments how much disrespect and distrust I have for Klein, Hagerman, the NYTimes, and all of our nation's mainstream media.

[@LittleSuisseGirl]

@@LindyMia-ft9mdyou CAN because you are smart (and RIGHT). 😏👍

[@foundyif]

What in God’s name have we done, making this man the leader of half the country and potentially of the free world… for a second time. What have we done?

[@jackie5522]

They*. Not I. No one listened

[@flickwtchr]

Speak for yourself. I'm not in the "we".

[@elizabethsohler6516]

We haven't...yet.

[@bobpurcell8357]

​@@flickwtchrCollapsing empires don't give a shit who they fall on

[@signalfire6]

How did you post this comment two weeks ago?

[@noraguthrie9964]

She is remarkably dispassionate given what truths she knows and what she expects of another Trump presidency. She should be screaming her alarm from the rooftops.

[@KT-dj4iy]

I do sometimes find myself screaming silently at _her_ for staying so dispassionate, but overall I’m glad she does. To paraphrase a paraphrase of Kipling: if she can keep her head when all about her are losing theirs, she may _sound_ like she has misjudged the situation, but she may actually be a port of sanity in the storm.

[@noraguthrie9964]

@@KT-dj4iy I suppose in theory it’s the reporter’s obligation to report the facts in a non partisan way. However, reporters of today are anything but. Even in her book, she doesn’t judge his bizarre behaviour. One actually gets the impression that she kind of admires his audacity. Read an interesting comment re Jon Stewart the other day: “what does it say about the media today when our best journalist is a comedian?”

[@MP-cd5kk]

Agreed

[@MB-nx9tq]

Her job is to tell it like it is, it’s our job to freak out

[@kittymartin2982]

Maggie is a true journalist. She reports “as it is.”

[@gabriellerose3839]

I’m outside the US. I can’t believe someone as revolting as Trump is a front runner for a major party.

[@bluecollarlit]

He's now the winner.

[@maxnicks4661]

We are all shocked, how is he even allowed to run after Jan6th

[@vkingpele]

Absolutely no one was convicted of insurrection for Jan 6th and that is the only thing that can lead to a candidate being disqualified from running. Supreme court answered this question when Colorado tried to remove him from the ballot.

[@madeleineprice9645]

@@gabriellerose3839 - He’s frightened them all off! They’ve seen him in full monster mode 👹👹👹

[@madeleineprice9645]

@@vkingpele - I seem to remember several of them being jailed. Drump et al called them ‘hostages’ and freed them quite early on in his first ‘reign’.

[@bernardzsikla5640]

It is always interesting when rational people in rational terms, attempt to explain the irrational behavior of Trump.

[@pg-mr7ucdd]

They are insane people

[@covertpetersen2573]

​@@pg-mr7ucddWho? The reporters? You've got to be joking.

[@RunOfTheHind]

@@pg-mr7ucdd Neither of them are slurring for 15 mins about a golfer's cock.

[@pg-mr7ucdd]

@@covertpetersen2573no, I meant Republican enablers. Megyn Kelly comes to mind. She’s turned herself into an embarrassing shill for Trump where everything he does is some massive stroke of genius

[@Reasonable6]

@bernardzsikla5640 Help I am being OPRESSED BY THE VIOLENCE INHERET IN THE SYSTEM OF DEMOCRACY, Which is actually an Oligarchy lead by the CFR.

[@sodiumlights]

Thoroughly enjoyed that conversation/interview. Superb.

[@aynrandish9106]

I’ll never understand how journalists will call people like the Cheney’s war criminals one minute and then hold them up as the pinnacle of virtue when it becomes politically expedient. It makes what they say weigh a lot less since you know they don’t really mean what they say.

[@dezznutz3743]

Partisanship. A lot of blind, deaf, and ignorant people who think politics is a team sport.

[@BarbaraC02]

Enjoyed this conversation, thanks. I voted all blue in Tucson, Arizona. 💙🇺🇸💯💙🇺🇸💯💙🇺🇸💯💙🇺🇸💯💙

[@shellimendoza7332]

Mesa blue 💙

[@WhiteOwlOnFire_XXX]

Mentally ill

[@LittleSuisseGirl]

AZ still sucks‼️ 🤫

[@BarbaraC02]

@@LittleSuisseGirl I agree. Arizona is full of clowns and they get themselves elected. Perfect for the new circus forming in Washington.

[@carolinemaybe]

Trump is a shell of a person. He is a created character that he plays. Thats why he speaks in the third person. . There is no essence to him except maybe greed and grievance.

[@wiseoldfool]

Someone that unhinged should never be unleashed.

[@kafiruddinmulhiddeen2386]

Democrats were ready to unleash a brain dead woman sniffer again, but could not.

[@bradrook3919]

Funny,🤔 your party said Joe was fine...then had a coup within your party to kick him out..bc of his dementia..your party will lose bc of your hate..a phycological play by Trump which worked..it will be a pleasure watching the snowflakes melt 😅

[@homewithemma42]

HARRIS PARTICULARLY

[@dezznutz3743]

LMAO at your repeating Cackles Harris. What kind of low IQd, Useful Idiot comrade quotes a woman with a double digit IQ?

[@jacobjorgenson9285]

Limit to unleashed in America

[@johnpeschke7723]

i love Maggie's quote from Becket when O'Toole said "will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest (referring to Becket)" then the Norman "nobles" promptly murdered the archbishop

[@ofilipequintans]

Always good to hear from trump's favorite stenographer.

[@Bluemoon_75]

Thank you for this comment! I agree!

[@theminer49erz]

I dont think he believes he won, but that he believes he deserves what he wants.

[@phreedomacademy]

I agree! He even admitted it by accident in a recent interview.... I did his CONFESSION (Concession) SPEECH for him after he lost the last time on Nov.6th, 2020... I hope it's required again! CONFESSION SPEECH, Nov.6th, 2020 kzbin.info/www/bejne/pX7HeYiEZ6tnnbs

[@mitchl.7276]

Calling from the future...Trump wins bigly

[@madeleineprice9645]

Remember he’s following Goebbels’ mantra that if you repeat something for long enough, fools will eventually believe you.

[@diandenmark]

Doesn't sound as if either of these two pundits know what fascism is. It isn't just wanting to have all the power and be the boss. It's also actively arousing fear of "the enemies within", creating so much information confusion that people can't think anymore, promising to make everything better, and making sure that all the elements of government are personally loyal to The Leader, rather than to the rule of law.

[@moosefootloose]

they’re all in on sending us to hell.

[@bobnicholson8177]

What a pleasure to listen to two intelligent people engage in a measured, thoughtful conversation!

[@josepedrosantiagosilva9625]

It's appalling to see that this old generation just doesn't seem to understand what's happening. Young people can't afford to buy homes, jobs are precarious and scarce, creating instability. And having children has become so expensive, it's no wonder birth rates are plummeting. Yet, none of this seems to be addressed in any of these reports or videos.

[@jeffreymcompton1]

Maggie is so smart…so well spoken…so incisive. I just love every show she’s on. I get excited when she does these.

[@xenacats]

Maggie is insanely good to listen to. She puts together and explains complicated events so clearly. Her voice is very relaxing even as she tells us about how fraked up our world is right now. I look forward to listening to the audio version of Confidence Man. Oh and yes , judges do fall asleep at trials. I experienced that directly and it was both aggravating and hilarious. Thanks for this awesome interview.

[@Stavoren405]

Thanks for putting all the pieces together Maggie, what we see about Trump becomes much clearer.

[@lhudson4377]

He is the enemy from within

[@smb7647]

Life was cheaper and safer under Trump, like it or not 🇺🇸🇺🇸Trump2024🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@AllyRob82563]

​@@smb7647 Life certainly was cheap. He allowed over a million people to die needlessly rather than acknowledging the pandemic. At this point, I wouldn't trust him to run a McDonald's fryer.

[@etandrepont]

@@smb7647 Trump vs Kamala ​​⁠it’s been the rule since democracy began that the Democrats do most all of the hard work. Kamala cares about our rights as individuals. Women fought for their rights-let no man take their rights away. God gave us all free will to choose. Yet, politicians and Opus Dei’s dark circles have a misogynistic agenda for power and control of women.. Kamala Harris and Her running mate Walz, will fight for what our forefathers established. Freedom, peace, equality, and justice for all! Putting women, the family dynamics and children in danger is allowing politicians to control women and their bodies to do what they may only to have their way. I want leaders that will fight for our rights! Not dirty politicians that are money grabbers that are also trying to steal our democracy and erase our constitutional establishment. Basically, dismantling America 🇺🇸 Why would someone want a dictator in office on day one? Project 2025 Why would anyone vote their own children to be run like china 🇨🇳 military in schools without a choice. Trump wants to play war games in real life. Trump would love to start a global war! WW3 Trump convicted felon, other indictment’s, lusts after women, rapes women, also likes them on the young side, constantly lies, is a conman and “fascist to the core”! You were comfortable with Trump thinking it’s because of him? Unhinged and deranged vs practical and effective leaders that hold on to what’s fair, just and right for all. ETA🌹

[@Moxie696]

@@smb7647Because he inherited Obamas 8 years of cleaning up the mess from Bush. Learn about how economics and inflation work before making such comment as prices of goods and services is do higher prices w tariffs; which Trump raised while he was in office and he wants to do it again by 20-50%. Biden and Harris Inherited Trumps dumps of clean ups and people have rallied w the highest stick profits and dividends this last year! 💙

[@smb7647]

@AllyRob82563 more people died under joe Biden genuis, look it up, Democrats are the ones who locked everyone down and stuck covid patients with the elderly...Democrats as per usual, lacking in facts

[@markflitz1772]

Thank you Maggie! Your work with 45 has helped me understand what we are dealing with.

[@abbiewhitehead8204]

There are several Giant signs in my area that read "Trump 2024 The Revenge Tour". I didn't know being president was about revenge. These signs scare me.

[@sarahhearn-vonfoerster7401]

I truly believe he is on a vindictive path of revenge.

[@kevindamian8580]

That tells you a lot about the people in this country who support a terrible person named trump. They are easily fooled or are hateful like him.

[@Erikpdx]

Petty is the strongest conservative value, sadly.

[@stephaniekavalec9320]

I’m pretty sure it’s libs

[@dezznutz3743]

@@Erikpdx Stop projecting.

[@philallsopp42]

Does Maggie Haberman have any level of concern or indignation over Trump’s character and how destructive a second Trump administration will be to the nation - and to people like her?

[@CarrieV9]

I dumped the NYT a long time ago for helping to normalize Trump and for their attacks on Biden

[@dezznutz3743]

You mean, you wanted a left wing echo chamber like MSNBC.

[@SilverSergeant]

The POTUS who calls half the country garbage?

[@CarrieV9]

@@SilverSergeant he was referring to the subset of Maga that is truly vile, but if the shoe fits…

[@Fixtheproblemwithgoodpolicy]

Same. Learning more about its history that seems to be the NYTimes' MO since the early 1900s.

[@howard5992]

@@SilverSergeant you mean Trump and how he refers to Democrats ?

[@moonsonate5631]

00:06 Maggie Haberman provides insights on Donald Trump's behavior and presidency 02:15 Trump's behavior affected by past events 06:07 Trump's rise linked to failures of past administrations 08:14 Trump's appeal to military vets and his portrayal as a nationalist. 12:34 Resentment and Outsiderism driving modern conservatism 14:39 Trump's understanding of politics is similar to that of a New York City party boss. 18:26 Trump disregards democratic norms and governance processes. 20:12 Trump's image as a CEO from The Apprentice resonated with the public. 23:42 Trump's varying stance on Obamacare repeal and governing style 25:34 Trump's lack of understanding of government workings and inclination towards power and revenge 29:02 High level officials against Trump 30:58 Internal fractures and hiring strategy in a second Trump term 34:39 Trump's increased control and influence over campaign decisions 36:31 Shift in Republican Party dynamics under Trump's influence 40:25 Speculations on Trump's role and influence post-administration. 42:00 Trump's focus on construction projects and whimsical decision-making 45:17 Take Trump's talk of revenge seriously. 47:02 Trump's keen interest in choosing the Attorney General 50:37 Trump is doing fewer interviews and conserving energy for podcasts. 52:17 The election is likely to be closely contested with various legal battles. 56:10 Trump's manipulation of truth and belief in repetition 57:57 Trump may face prosecutions and civil suits even if he loses the election. Crafted by Merlin AI.

[@markendicott6874]

The Access Journalist's playbook for how it wasn't her job to save democracy because she had a sweet book deal to service.

[@MJ-rl7pj]

Yep. She is fine because she will keep kissing his ass.

[@russwiecking6013]

What will she do whenTrump loses? Sports reporting? She’s all in.

[@darkmacintosh]

Well we’re fucked. It was nice knowing you America.

[@ronzundell7394]

Feel like a frog in boiling water

[@mariamaria2751]

Not anymore since nov 5th .. i love how some nobody woman who doesnt even know Trump comes on here and lies her as off and this nypost this vidro is nothing but leftist propoganda that dumb ppl believe is true. Its wold how dumb ppl are ​@ronzundell7394

[@subie057]

The calm demeanor of the discourse only helps to normalize the Trump insanity and it is a disservice to democracy.

[@RadagastBrown420]

Trump is not facing " jail time" he is facing many years in prison. How can a so called reporter and Trump expert not know this or confuse these two things?

[@mikevanderheiden]

What would trump do? Probably give Maggie another book about irresponsible hindsight.

[@msimp0108]

Brilliantly well-said!

[@MJ-rl7pj]

Yep, she is a bootlicker.

[@gracegorman642]

43:00 Why don't you just say the oligarchs will be in control?

[@nicholasrova3698]

They're in control right now.

[@didifischervideo]

...because "oligarchs" sue poor people with expensive slapsuits - and the billionaire owners of several newspapers did forbid their employees to take a side?

[@Edo9River]

This historical context is helpful, but I have already moved on to fretting about the months after the election

[@MP-cd5kk]

🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 *HARRIS 2024* 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@posticusmaximus1739]

How's that working for ya?

[@DjangoWineHeart]

Never have I wished more for a conversation to be purely speculative and hypothetical.

[@RWROW]

This conversation is to antiseptic for me, Trump is a fatal infection for American democracy and decency and life itself for many of us if he is reelected. These two seem to ignore that entirely so they can sound intellectual.

[@malomma]

This calm conversation was very spine chilling for me. It's scary to know that Trump really is fascist after hearing this interview. I do believe Trump is unhinged and evil even more than I originally thought. I pray that he's not reelected I don't think our country will ever be at peace if he is running our country.

[@sfmagnolia]

Sociopaths, narcissists, and alcoholics get worse with age unless they find recovery. Fact.

[@dezznutz3743]

This is not a fact at all. As someone who actually studied Psychology in college, a narcissists narcissism actually decreases with age. Alcoholism is an addiction, and Trump doesnt drink, so I dont know why you included that in there, because it lets anyone who is educated and intelligent know you are full of it.

[@sfmagnolia]

@ not from what I’ve seen in eight plus years in the recovery space. Alcoholism isn’t addiction it’s behavioral, which leads to using and drinking to mask the discomfort of those behaviors, feelings of shame, etc.

[@JohnMAdams-nl9zt]

A man of whims and rages … is that what you want?

[@Keepitkind7]

Maggie's take-down of Trump was severe. Just because she wasn't shouting or name-calling or... I found it refreshing and much more impactful as to why Trump is unhinged and unpredictable in his desire for sole power. The nuance, knowledge and intellectual reasoning (some here describe as quiet or in support of Trump), is missing the mark. I find her take-down of Trump in the manner she is holds more weight. It's clear to me, she is voting against Trump for the REASONS she lays out "intellectually." I appreciate intelligent conversations as opposed to childish insults.

[@KT-dj4iy]

Yes; absolutely. I feel exactly the same. But I’ll add that you, I, and others like us, are, in the extent to which we explicitly and even purposefully extend respect to cold, careful, logic, are very much in the minority these days. And that’s not a criticism of the rest; if anything it’s an admission of a weakness-viz. an insensitivity to and, as a result, a lack of skill in deploying rhetoric.

[@MJ-rl7pj]

Cool. She will go back and kiss his ass for more access so she can write another book about him. Her career is tied to him. She needs him to be relevant.

[@joshbowdish9851]

I am very concerned that so many people had that take away (that Maggie is MAGA Haberman, trump apologist, etc....). Holy shit we have some work to do on media literacy

[@laurie9557]

Why do journalists NEVER discuss trump's decades-long laundering of money for Russian oligarchs and thugs?

[@clivechesterman6635]

Because you don't talk about money in politics if you want to keep a job in corporate media. Even making the accusation of "your candidate took Russian money" invites the rebuttal "well, your client took Saudi money" or even "well your client takes money from the pharmaceutical lobby or the arms lobby or the banking lobby" and the latter sort of argument is not one that the controlling interest of corporate media wants happening in the open.

[@dreamfeat11]

Because our government has been doing it for the last 4 years , Ukraine was the biggest money laundering scheme ever do your research, you can’t listen to any mainstream media they are all controlled by the puppets you have to dig deep to educate yourselves… Congrats Trump!! Can wait to be able to afford gas and food again!

[@susanrosegale6646]

Old people become closer to their true colors....as the aging impacts sinks in. A brat as a child becomes a brat as an old person. Just start noticing.....UNLESS they have truly changed through out their lives. An angry teenager who stuffs their anger all their live (recking havoc on others when they blow up) become incredibly angry as an old person. If they don't do the work to grow up, or mature, or evolved....it shows up in oldness.

[@NA-oo4ls]

I’m consistently amazed at how different my perception of reality is from the type of people who read NYT.

[@ocan1033]

That puts you in squarely with the majority of America.

[@johngardner4379]

A good listen; one of the best podcasts out there.

[@NancyFrancis-e8e]

Excellent interview!

[@alisstedman4858]

Definite cognitive decline. My father-in-law's dementia started with him losing his ability to filter. Thing that you and me would keep in you head came out. Trump has vicious nasty things in his head and they are now coming out.

[@melissawilliamson8871]

I'm so sick of journalists' failure to mention that Donald Trump is a sick maniac. Jesus H. Christ, this is not an academic exercise - the fate of our country's democracy hangs in the balance.

[@SheridanLam-u5h]

Stop concentrating on Trump. Instead focus on the populace that voted him in. Trump is the product of the underlying tensions and conflicts that currently exist in our nation. Trump has unleashed their anger and discontent.

[@RC-qf3mp]

The NYT doesn’t understand the American people and don’t care about voters. They sell paper. And inflammatory rhetoric and scare tactics about Trump and demonizing anybody who isn’t sufficiently woke is how they sell paper. NYT lost all credibility a long time ago. They were totally wrong about the election, AGAIN. Not worth listening to them anymore.

[@barkeater7867]

im without words on how intelligent and observant Maggie is. I was going to say the poor woman to have her job connected to this man but she is all scientist

[@mirandashuwera3389]

Wow! Perspective really is EVERYTHING! We ALL need to step outside of our echo chambers and seek the truth, more now than ever! Only fools make up their mind before listening to or investigating BOTH sides of an issue. 🤔

[@michaelhope8899]

Re-watching this. From an interesting video 24 hrs ago to research today.... My heart bleeds for America and the world

[@dr.emilschaffhausen4683]

Your heart bleeds because you're watching the wrong news networks.

[@LittleSuisseGirl]

@@dr.emilschaffhausen4683exactly. The rest of us have been freed and every day has been a good one and only going to get better.

[@r.f.pennington746]

Interesting and informative...BUT why do I feel like I need to take a shower after watching this?!

[@theresestcoeur5381]

Because hearing that djt is not different just ' normal aging' gaves us a lots of transpiration ! The words maligned narcissistic and dementia stick on us.... We have to take a great ...bath😰😰

[@prometheusrex1]

Because you haven't bathed in a month and are unemployed. Please fix that.

[@richjohnson8777]

Everything and anything Trump does is about money. I wish the journalists would do a deep dive into Trump’s monetization of the Presidency. Please include his family as well.

[@kimberlyf4888]

Yet, the story of Hunter Biden taking money for access to his dad is never mentioned in the press. Why does that not concern you?

[@PortiidDreams]

Really interesting. Love the video format!

[@josephwalinski2146]

Excellent interview.. on the money and down to earth informative

[@sdsultenfuss3276]

I have only high regards for Ms. Haberman, but I disagree with her accessment of trump. As a regular citizen and watching many videos and presentations by trump and his mental abilities, and he definitely is not the same person as perhaps he once was. It is so obvious that it makes wonder why she does not see it. This makes me wonder about her reasoning here.

[@MJ-rl7pj]

Her career is tied to him and she has to have access, so she can't be honest otherwise she wouldn't get more interviews to write more books. She is a bootlicker.

[@cornelisdebilde6850]

I am the same age as Trump in fact we are both Geminis. Trump has been a con man all his life and it's high time to get rid of him and live a normal life and not Trump's life!

[@2dclxvi]

Trump has a bully's instincts governing his core motivations and actions... -He wants to appear tough, but will only start fights with people he feels he is already stronger than. -He is thin skinned and easily offended thus extremely defensive and quick to overreact. -He doesn't value or care about much of anything other than his perceived reputation by others...it's all about maintaining his ego. -He recognizes the things/ideas his perceived enemies value and will seek to destroy those things out of pure spite. -He believes his acts of overt cruelty are legitimate acts of power in the name of justice. -He adopts a victimhood narrative and actively promotes it to others. -He demands loyalty but will throw anyone in his circle of "friends" under the bus to avoid personal culpability/responsibility. -He pretends his acts of aggression/menace are only jokes/jest when he is called out for the behavior. -

[@calbraid3328]

Great summary! Well said 👏

[@signalfire6]

That podcast about Trump and disinhibition was wonderful, Ezra.

[@Fairburne69]

I love stuff like this. However almost no one who needs to see this will actually watch it and even fewer will let it sink in.

[@BettyofOOO]

Maggie Haberman set the standard for normalizing Donald’s behavior. I know for a fact that if he were to jail his enemies in the press, Maggie would be free as a bird.

[@williamwhitten7820]

*Maggie Haberman is a hippocrite ignoring that what she is claiming Trump will do is exactly what is happeing to Trump at this very moment, being prosecuted/perscuted by his political enemies.*

[@dezznutz3743]

Which he had a chance to do from 2016-2020, and he didnt. You are unhinged, and suffering from TDS. Please get help!

[@BettyofOOO]

@ lol you’re in a cult

[@williamwhitten7820]

@@dezznutz3743 Maggie Haberman, like most of the staff in the New York Times is suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome. So her perspective is biased and warped by the delusion this psychosis generates in her mind. The slanderous claims of those that Trump had conflicts with in his first administration are taken at face value, even though many of these people, like General Kelly were fired by Trump and have a natural attitude of wanting to seek revenge against him. I come across people like Haberman every day on a social media site called Quora. I find there is a literal pandemic of Trump Derangement Syndrome among the neo-Marxist Democrats and the neocon RINOs like Dick Cheney and his screwball daughter Liz Cheney. and crybaby Adam Kinzinger. These people hate Trump so much they grow enraged at the very mention of his name it is a trigger rather like when one is put into a hypnotic trance and given a subliminal suggestion, which is exactly what electronic media can do according to studies of technological indoctrination. Constant re-messaging on media causes a habitual reaction causing permanent grooves of neural pathways. These induced feeling are also buttressed by constant contact with colleagues that are in the same system helping to reinforce these emotional trends in a group. This is termed, 'Groupthink' in psychological studies. The so called "dangers" attributed to Trump are in fact belied by the fact that he already was president for four years and never acted out in the way his critics predict he will Of course this is rhetorically explained in a disingenuous sophist manner by the introductory remarks explaining how Trump was prevented by his advisors from doing what he "really wanted to do", This concept belies the idea that Trump has a dictatorial bent, because such an attitude would surely have brought on brutal mass firings by a truly dictatorial personality. Jordan Peterson, a professional psychologist has accessed Donald Trumps personality characteristics, and finds him to be exactly the opposite of the opinions of these leftest ideologues at the Times. Peterson says Trump has great empathy towards people, and is truly concerned with healing the excess divide between the two parties. Maggie Haberman hates Trump, so her opinion of him is bound to be biased. Anyone unwilling to see this has the same bias: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gWnSZ6Fjdrukg9k

[@williamwhitten7820]

@@BettyofOOO *Lol, You have Trump Derangement Syndrome*

[@ettaplace800]

I can’t stand Maggie’s voice. She is smug and has enabled Trump.

[@proffittm3010]

In this interview, I would like to have heard Maggie Haberman's thoughts on whether Trump would dismantle the federal agencies if elected. Will he replace experts in the EPA, FBI, department of education, military forces, and others with people who are loyal to himself? This loss of guardrails is too much power for the President to have.

[@fsa-v7c]

that's the plan.

[@barbarajoels9426]

I appreciate these insights. Thank you.

[@revfulbright]

Horrifying but such an excellent interview.

[@akeating1969]

Chilling… I’m legitimately terrified

[@chm2]

A very long conversation to tell us that we are dealing with a child.

[@aboyer9828]

There are some men that look Completely Different when they grown a beard. Ezra is one such man...

[@cbbcbb6803]

Trump's fans did not see him run a business. They saw him pretend to run a business on the apprentice TV show.

[@periel]

I saw a cartoon that visually depicted Trump voters: It showed a group of snails worshipping a salt shaker on stage and the snails chanting "Snails for Salt! ”

[@JPD2587]

Like Queers for Palestine.

[@ocan1033]

So clever, thoroughly self congratulatory and filled with smug condescension. And it worked out marvelously for all inclined to have a good laugh. With stirring insight like that what could possibly go wrong?

[@mariafargeorge1202]

It's like the Turkish proverb about the axe and the trees....

[@Marktheshark-e7f]

Honestly if my father had acted like trumpy is, i would have taken the car keys away, let alone running the country

[@jackrice2770]

Since both these journalists are New Yorkers, I don't blame them for getting Southern California politics a bit wrong. For decades, LA and SoCal in general were deeply conservative. The reason Reagan became successful in politics is because SoCal had far more voters than NorCal, and those voters were overwhelmingly Republican. But over the last couple of decades, the demographics of SoCal changed and the last Republican to win statewide was Schwarzenegger, who was a fairly moderate conservative. So these right-wing guys were young men who saw their class' hold on power, which was total and upfront (the LAPD was notoriously racist and corrupt) slip from their grasp. They're frightened and angry and determined to establish the same minority control their parents had over minorities and the poor.

[@tb8865]

The Republican base wasn't just SoCal. It was normal voters in the Central Valley, way up North, etc. Not exactly an elite business class. California was reliably Republican basically until the 90s. The change in power from R to D in California has also coincided with a serious (and noticeable) decline in California's standard of living (see: San Francisco, basically any urban area) and in recent years a population exodus from the state as a whole. Newsom is desperately trying to reverse these trends and even seems to be taking a more pro-business tack because corporations and the wealthy tax base are abandoning the Golden State.

[@jackrice2770]

@@tb8865 Fox news version of reality.

[@tb8865]

@@jackrice2770 no a Bay Area Californian's view of reality. It's gone to sh*t here and everyone sees it.

[@hilarycohen1470]

Klein is from So Cal, I believe.

[@timrobertson8436]

Trump seems to view tariffs as a form of personal tribute. He enjoys making foreign powers pay him - as he sees it - as a means of exercising personal power over other countries and leaders. And he sees tax breaks (tariff exemptions) as a form of bribe where he can buy personal loyalty and favor with other powerful people who can repay him in whatever way he chooses when he needs it, or finds a way to get something in return for his investment. Money is just a means to measure and demonstrate his power over others.

[@ThanaBrunges-mx7ji]

Trump is so dumb he doesn’t understand that tariffs are fees charged to US citizens on good they import. They are not paid by the foreign country! 😅

[@markhammer643]

The disinterest in how organizations function, that Maggie points out, is to my thinking, the very reason why he would appoint and then fire, so many people. Their appointment was not based on any understanding of the *needs* of that role for the organization to function smoothly, but more likely based on whether he thought they liked him or agreed with him, or perhaps some status that might rub off on him by snagging that particular person. Of course, should they try to fit the organizational role, instead of him, that would result in them disappointing him, and ultimately their firing.

[@richardgordon]

Thank you to the New York times and Ezra Klein for really underscoring what the world is in for if Trump gets into office.

[@jeffmagic32]

Its hard to imagine two people more fully disconnected from reality.

[@sirmadam8183]

If Hitler was alive today, would it be okay to talk only about his racism and not that he is also psychopath? I'm not sure that would be adequate.

[@KenSung-bk8xc]

Such an important point that the media ignores because of the so called Goldwater rule.

[@user-ym7bf7bx1d]

Even the author of the infamous Goldwater rule has acknowledged Trump's cognitive decline and thinks he should be tested for dementia. To say nothing of Trump's malignant narcissism, which has always been present.

[@toi_techno]

I'd like to see the NYT do more on the well off, educated, country-club GOP voters Living in Ireland I just cannot understand how they are able to vote for Trump Is their greed seriously that powerful a driver or is there a deep vein of bigotry in even educated America?

[@fsa-v7c]

sadly, both.

[@canadiangemstones7636]

They hate paying taxes, despise the poor, and will never allow a black woman to tell them what to do.

[@yankelovich]

The will of the people has prevailed. Celebrate the dynamism of our political system, with all its flaws.

[@craigsharp8595]

I can't understand why so many people run commentaries on trying to work out Trump's mind ,to me it's quite simple much like the man himself,he feels threatened by people he can't bluff being people who think for themselves and when they see thru him he becomes no longer relevant and then his enigma is diminished.

[@patrickbureau1402]

Oh CANADA BTW - we been rebuilding the UNDERGROUND RAILWAY - Freedom Seekers welcome 🍀🇨🇦⚜️

[@Bluemoon_75]

Another Canadian here 🇨🇦 My friends and I have had this discussion.

[@ThanaBrunges-mx7ji]

Thank you 🙏

[@scarletsletter4466]

The fact that you’re all obsessed with Trump rather than the US voters & the issues we care about, speaks volumes.

[@jonvelde5730]

But the issue a lot of us care about is a wannabee dictator taking over our government and laying waste to the system of checks and balances that ensure personal liberty. As has already partially occurred.

[@darrahhopper6437]

Really, I am obsessed with Vance and the horrible stances he has on every issue that matters to me.

[@dezznutz3743]

@@darrahhopper6437 Your obsessed with the VP pick? LMAO at the idiocy of poorly educated Marxists.

[@spagooter1807]

@@darrahhopper6437yeah I think the left is a horrible idea and we are fucked either way. We are going down like Rome, losing influence because we granted everyone citizenship. Turns out when you treat the world like citezens does being a citezen matter? We are also losing influence for projecting leftist weakness and starting proxy wars sure to end well.

[@Devonrexfun]

Why aren’t you screaming that we cannot have another Trump presidency. You need to stop normalizing his insanity…. Oh that just Trump, he doesn’t mean what he says. He’s a freaking nightmare.

[@dl2839]

I hope Trump means what he says.😊

[@Agtsmirnoff]

Better than cackling Harris

[@DoctorRazzArea4]

Because screaming is not very effective

[@duelenigma7732]

it's not uninhibited, it is the lack of caring at all about what sane people think of him because he is a malignant narcissist . They love saying shocking BS and don't care what anyone thinks , it makes them happy . He cares only about himself and everyone one else is nothing .

[@sarahwilkie]

Love Maggie 😊

[@easygreasy3989]

Guess who's back, back again.

[@merriferrell2818]

You ignore how propaganda informed xenophobia. Also, NY is diverse, but money allows for exclusion and distance from others. More us and them. Trump wasn't shoulder to shoulder with the general population of NY and metro area.

[@erc9468]

Yeah it’s such propaganda that our neighborhoods are swamped by migrants, many of whom are criminals. Go with that message and then wonder why you lose black urban voters. And I love the Dinkins example that was used. An utterly incompetent, corrupt mayor. This one reason why the Left loses so much. Because to the Left, calling out incompetent Lefty leaders who are really hurting people is unacceptable.

[@dragongamer4753]

He rode the subway to school growing up and works in construction. He doesnt live in a floating castle high above the world.

[@howard5992]

@@dragongamer4753 he has golden toilets and a private jets and owns country clubs - does that count ?

[@Mandy-dy7nj]

I heard a clip of Trump talking about the war in Iraq in 2015. I do not think he'd be capable of that level of complex thought now. He talked with energy and passion about why that was a mistake. He talks with the same energy and passion about people eating dogs now. For me that's a stark cognitive decline. I guess I'm saying that he used to be able to read the crowd and act appropriately depending on the audience, he no longer seems able to do this.

[@northv24]

are you saying that he was right about something?

[@merriferrell2818]

@@northv24 Over and over they and others claim Trump was meeting some condition..when in fact the right propagated racist, anti liberal and xenophobic propaganda that stoked fear and anxiety, then gave those influenced people Trump. He was.manufactured as were the conditions to make him acceptable.

[@Mandy-dy7nj]

@@northv24 Well war is a really complex issue, it's rarely about right or wrong, I personally agreed with him on this one but other people could make arguments that would be compelling to others that thought it was absolutely the right thing to do. My point really was though that he made concise, intelligent, articulate and logical points. Something he doesn't do these days.

[@erc9468]

@@Mandy-dy7nj It’s not that complicated. Powerful elements of the govt want a muscular interventionist foreign policy. And those same people are the supposed smart people who Ezra says he wishes were still around to “inhibit” him.

[@Mandy-dy7nj]

@@erc9468 Yes, and those people would give an explanation as to why they wanted those things - might is right etc, an interventionist foreign policy gives more international power to the US because other countries don't want to cross it. I don't agree with the policy and I feel there are better arguments against it than for it but I can also see that that it's true, a more insular US is a less powerful US partly because it will wield less power and partly because other countries will fill the vacuum of power.

[@douglasennis7291]

My Mom had Alzheimer's and she early on said she's losing her nouns... He's early onset some sort of dementia. His father had late onset Alzheimer's so it's probably that but it could be just his terrible overall health... Obesity HBP TYPE 2 Diabetes 78 is old but he's an old 78.

[@idgriffin56]

Maggie H is awesome. Matter of fact, factual and pragmatic