Brendan O'Neill on political correctness and its discontents

[@inglesconalan5360]

It is always a pleasure to hear Brendan talk. Quiet, reasoned, intelligent ideas. I could listen to him for hours.

[@mdm...321]

He got plenty of rubbish circulating. That should get you going not for hours but months. Glad to learn this poor soul is not alone.

[@David-pk9be]

I dont know about the rest of you and how you live your lives, but I encourage you to do as I do; that is behave and live with political courage and shun political correctness.

[@dt6822]

I think you're fundamentally wrong in how you view this issue. Resisting political correctness has nothing to do with courage or resisting other peoples machinations. It has everything to do with loving oneself to such an extent that you will take up the mantle or something so utterly idiotic - or else refuse to speak against it because you only care about your own status and perception. So this is a problem of status and cosmetics.

[@matronmalice9867]

@@dt6822 I disagree. When it is touted as akin to being holy or moral and everyone embraces it then it is courageous to say no to that nonsense. People are having their lives ruined by these zealots.

[@cliffordhatton4444]

@@dt6822 I think you're a bit simple.

[@dt6822]

@@matronmalice9867 Yes, I agree with you. Not sure where the miscommunication lies. I am suggesting precisely the same. That humans lack courage out of self interest and as Nazi Germany has demonstrated, they'll go along with whatever.

[@dt6822]

@@cliffordhatton4444 I thank you for your substantiated and well argued statement which demonstrated so well the particular areas of your disagreement with me and that with such elaborately argued counter-arguments.

[@nascar0509]

The entire public sector in a nutshell.... "It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong." Thomas Sowell.

[@iankclark]

Dear Progressives, when people on the right/libertarian/alt left start quoting George Orwell at you, maybe it's time for a little self-reflection.

[@Dave5843-d9m]

Except that Orwell was RIGHT.

[@Rumplefrumple]

@@Dave5843-d9m fuck, please, no

[@sirrathersplendid4825]

Most telling of all is that Orwell was very much of the Left and even fought against Franco’s fascists in the Spanish Civil War of 1936-38. Yet he could see where extreme leftism led, namely Animal Farm and 1984.

[@samjacobs7508]

@@sirrathersplendid4825 Totally agree with you and it's so typical of the left to think that anyone that's right of centre is a Franco or Hitler. It's offensive and totally wrong. As far as I'm concerned ,extreme left and extreme right are pretty much the same. Hitler and Stalin spring to mind.

[@frankzappaspussy7362]

the problem is not "progressives" it is spoilt brat authoritarians pretending to be "progressive"..

[@trevorwongsam8178]

Brendan, I agree with everything you say in this video, my only difference is that I LIKE TRUMP. Trump 2020!

[@georgeengland1699]

Agree, I too like Trump.

[@barbaratrehy4742]

Agree. I like Trump because I have bothered to read about his achievements, and can overlook the roughness and vulgarity to see the deadly eye for business acumen, deals, decision-making, foreign relations etc. He is no one's fool, and those who preach hate are simply all in group-think mode, swallowing a party line. Read the facts everyone.

[@megmartel6005]

Trevor - me too. Love Trump. Trump 2020

[@Megaman2ooo]

@@barbaratrehy4742 haha dear lord woman ....Grow up

[@johnnystrat]

Really like Brendon O'Neil - talks sense and knows what he's talking about.

[@jungatheart6359]

Brendan makes a key point around 45:30. Political correctness burgeons in a time of ideologised, weaponised consumerism; in fact, it is a logical playing out of those Thatcherite/Reaganite ideas. There was no concept before then that one could IDENTIFY with one's consumer choices - be an Apple or Microsoft person, a Nike or Adidas person etc., those choices were explicitly sold as aspects of ones individual identity. Even political parties became a matter of branding. It didn't take a huge leap to construct one's identity around immutable (yet superficial) characteristics, and from there to regard even gender, sexuality and race as off-the-shelf brand loyalties: all it took was a few eccentric drops of repurposed postmodern ideology and a certain cynicism and jadedness with the promises of material consumerism itself. 'Just Do It' , 'He for She', 'Because You're Worth It' and 'Black Lives Matter' are all agency slogans in essence, Antifa and MeToo are brands, Patriarchy and Islamophobia are the split ends and grimy bathtubs you need to eradicate. People in general instinctively recognise the shallowness of PC Culture but that is not to downplay its genuine menace. Advertising is powerful.

[@jeffberlin4179]

Pop

[@psharkey1]

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[@crystallise700]

Is that you Slavoj Zizek?

[@paulcollings4543]

I was born male. My sisters were born female. That's what we are. There's no discussion needed. Full stop. Get a grip people.

[@amsob77]

Brilliant presentation. Just simple words and clear, easily understood common sense. And yes, Brendan is 100% correct when he points out that Political Correctness is a betrayal of all the great social achievements of the previous 50 years. When judging people by the content of their character rather than the colour of their skin has become a micro-aggression, you know things are seriously off the rails.

[@MrTom1379]

It’s happening because we have too much of nothing with real value .

[@mdm...321]

And we still cultivate political correct leaders, yet, we are without true leadership. Let alone respecting and facing truth. And these adult want to go off over teenagers who are way smarter than this rotten bunch of self-proclaimed experts. Uh, wait, they all are Aussie University graduates, right? Well, that makes them only educated extreme idiots. Though, I love their titles and positions. Sound really impressive.

[@thomassallas4451]

I can't BELIEVE that we are at a place where this subject needs to be debated.

[@theskeptic2798]

Hey same with myself and siblings , we didn’t watch daytime tv , no breakfast or lunch prepared and not allowed indoors , 9 kids , we looked after each other and had resilience .

[@mogznwaz]

I am only interested in honesty, integrity and truth. I couldn't give a flying f*** about 'offensive'.

[@charlesmartel6570]

PC started in the 80s?? Maybe in the universities but not in the real world. Now it's EVERYWHERE - schools, local council, MSM, Hollywood & movies, advertising, multinational companies, the workplace...... Yawn, so over it all.

[@MsChitterchat]

Charles Martel In the beginning PC was necessary. Now it’s become a virtuous controlling mechanism and we are going backwards.

[@maccagrabme]

Yes thats right, checkout this vid which explains all this, he knew all about it back in the 80's. "Former KGB Agent, Yuri Bezmenov, Warns America About Socialist Subversion"

[@frank__reynolds]

Thoroughly enjoyable conversations and discussion. Observations spot on.

[@welshcelt9406]

A voice of sensibility.

[@HYUKLDER1]

Enough with 'political correctness'! Time migrant types and liberals were educated to fit in with Australian correctness.

[@maccagrabme]

Have a look at this: Former KGB Agent, Yuri Bezmenov, Warns America About Socialist Subversion

[@simongleaden2864]

First time I've seen him without that damned baseball cap! I thought it must have been surgically fused to his head!

[@conrad1on]

I don't know when this is from exactly, but I assume it's fairly recent, so it's strange to hear Brendan use an inaccurate definition of 'alt-right'. At least that's what it sounds like when he talks about people going on college campuses just to wind up feminists, which really is at best an outdated use of the term.

[@davidtaylor351]

I would also question his (apparently) uncritical acceptance of the social/political activism coming out of the 60s. At least in regard to some of its aspects, any way. And i hear perhaps, a partial denial, as to whether, there is a war against men and boys going on! In many ways, these earlier movements were laying down the foundations for what is happening today! Like it or not there is a connection! And i don't say this in any way to disparage or discredit the guy. Because much of what he says i agree with. So we are on the same team! But bear in mind, he was a youthful Marxist! My impression with some of these commentators is, they now see the results of what they were once a part of, but think you can cherry pick the bits you like, and just put the lid back on the rest. And consequently, are looking for a 'nice' way to fight this war!

[@matthewmichealattard7602]

He was alluding to alt right figures such as Richard Soencer and Milo Yiannopoulos.

[@rebeccagilstrap3507]

This is brilliant.

[@jeanward7640]

An excellent show. Love Brendan O’Neill

[@elmar001]

Brendan O'Neill is so epic that he needs two microphones ;)

[@ferrm1992]

I loved what he said about the far left calling everyone they disagrees with them a fascist and the far right calling everyone who disagreed with them a marxist

[@vova47]

A smart man making many valid points i agree with, but clearly a blind spot for Trump. A pity, but no one is perfect!

[@hittitecharioteer]

Trump was never a politician. His flaws are different to Obama's, who was a professional politician. A vital distinction in any debate about Trump. As my life long friend observed when Trump won the presidency: it is the enema that American politics has needed for a long time. That his detractors (not necessarily just Democrats) are utterly incapable of any and all introspection, I'd say that America is in danger of more of the same.

[@DaveZ150]

How does same sex marriage infringe on anyone's rights? I also disagree that it has anything to do with some desire to have the state validate a person. In the US, the movement began when same sex couples sued for equal rights, the more than 1000 legal benefits that come with a marriage license. This could only happen after the Supreme Court finally decriminalized homosexuality in 2003 with the Lawrence v Texas decision. There wasn't some agreed upon agenda, it was individual couples exercising their rights as citizens. It grew into a media phenomenon, largely because of strong, organized political opposition from the religious right when it was clear that same sex marriage would sweep the country because there is no logical, legal argument against it that is not based in religious or some other prejudice. Many of us believe that the state has no business licensing or validating any sexual/romantic relationship, including heterosexual. The obvious solution was to make all 'marriage' a domestic partnership under the law, no requirement for sex at all. Two friends should be able to set up a household and grow old together imo. Without the state recognizing a sexual relationship. 'Marriage' as a sacred sacrament in a church, no business of the state. But this would require that heterosexuals give up their marriages recognized by the state, that will never happen. In the US, it was about separate but equal being unconstitutional. Our Constitutional process allowed for this approach, suing for equal rights. We could not sue for 'domestic partnerships' nationwide, only equality under the law. This shouldn't even be part of this discussion imo, a person agrees with equality under the law or they don't. This is not the same as debating the extremes of gender identity that have manifested in recent years. This is a legal issue that has been settled. No different than the legalization of interracial marriage in the US imo.

[@modfus]

Excellent video. Thank you.

[@ncmac3706]

Please let us fight for our FREE SPEECH

[@artistphilb]

I still feel fine to ask people where they are from, If someone were to say that it was racist, I would ask them why they think that? I would suggest that everyone should break "micro aggression taboo's"

[@bobdanger-palmer4430]

I'm a single mum and I just got to the q&a part where Brendan is asked about single parenting, pushing my obvious outrage and persecution complex to one side, I just want to highlight how grateful I am every time someone has the balls to say in front of other people that lone parenting isn't optimal. My daughter is now 18 and off to uni in September and fuck it's been fun and amazing its never been a regret (he ran away during my pregnancy on changing his mind, he's not buried in the back garden or some shit) but it has been potentially breakdown inducing to try and do it well and I have only one child. I find in company that doesn't know me well and in the media generally there's unabashed apologism for pointing out that it's sub optimal even when for whatever reason it's necessary. Pretending kids don't need two parents isn't doing us lone parents any sort of sweet paternalistic though fucking unnecessary kindness it's a lie and a stupid harmful lie at that. I've seen younger people than me (I'm 41) genuinely go into it in shit relationships or no relationships with an " I'll just adlib it it'll be super" attitude and the same people accuse you of buyers remorse when you don't help sell the delusion. Another thing I notice a lot is how whenever it's assessed on its merits publicly it's almost always prefaced with shit about doing our best. That goes without saying. Most parents do their best but I wish the mainstream media would stop pretending it's not potentially something that will probably affect that child for a long time to come. If not forever. I love being a mum but there's fuck all liberation in doing it alone because it looks easy on tv. For anyone that's tempted foster 5 or 6 poorly cats for a month, delete most of your contacts, still go to your job and do those things when you're knackered and a bit depressed and you can guage if it's the life you hoped for 🤣 It just shouldn't be a thing this hard to say to other people. *shuffles off before making a shit joke about smoking crack to get through the day* *fails* 😌 P.s jm genuinely less bitchy than than I sound there it just really irritates me 🤣 P.p.s I'm not actually on crack, you probably won't be able to afford crack as a lone parent.

[@arktana]

Brendan is wonderful as usual, thank you!

[@michaelz9892]

Fantastic. Amen.

[@Phaedrus87]

"CIS"... That raised a smile from the start. Am I alone in being distracted by Brendan's phone, and the dexterity of his manipulation of it? George Orwell didn't get much wrong, but he didn't imagine that everyone would carry around their own personal surveillance device; 24 hours a day.

[@francescacalise4062]

First time listening to Brendan O'Neill, So clear and rational. I was not able to disagree with anything he said. We need more speakers like this. Calm, honest, rational and well informed. Impressive

[@cmasseylynch]

Brendan O Neill is very good at hiding his inverted snobbery. Well done.Full marks.

[@heather725]

Great to hear a ‘liberal progressive’ point of view.

[@fionagregory9376]

What about ageism?

[@ohmygod1427]

someone who makes sense, thank f*ck.

[@smyffmawzz]

I love this guy ..He agrees with everything i'm thinking ! lol

[@anonmouse956]

So nice to see people still remember Christopher Lasch.

[@jlrob85]

Who the heck is this guy??!!!! This is awesome!!!

[@buzjimbo2128]

Mr O'Neill is a great guy .

[@bigfan1041]

If it's not alt-right it's not right👍

[@mike-mw8gc]

It is actually quite hard to fight back against PC without the "knee jerk" response simply because any attempt at rational discussion gets met with a barrage of emotionally charged abuse - racist, etc etc etc - you can argue with people who won't and don't want to listen.

[@carolinenorman2654]

To be racially aware all the time is racism

[@bigfan1041]

No it's not. It's perfectly legitimate to be racially aware.

[@charlesmartel6570]

How can a person NOT be racially aware? If you have eyes, you can see if a person is Black. Being aware is ok. It's not ok to treat that person differently because of their colour.

[@OwenPrescott]

As a mixed race man with 89.456% priviledge, I think every SJW should listen to the first 15mins of this video atleast.

[@charliebrownau]

5:53 This is called IDENTITY politics and INTER SECTIONAL GROUP LENS which is used MASSIVELY with SJW + Inter sectional feminists , anyone that is a feminist after 1980 along with LGBT pronoun bullies

[@theheebs100]

the only part of the video I disagree with is the stance that same-sex marriage damages the institution of marriage for heterosexual couples. My father is married to another man and it's certainly not impacted my ability to maintain a healthy and loving relationship with my wife nor our ability to raise a child together. beyond that, I can get behind everything else presented in this video

[@tobyokoi0909]

This dude spitting FACTS.

[@somluck2813]

Regarding the notion that gay rights was about not seeking nation state imprimatur. That was true in the 1950s - 2000. But same sex marriage was explicitly about seeking and getting nation state imprimatur to validate their personal relationships. Gay relationships were defacto relationships and gays had the same legal rights as all people in defacto relationships. If those in defacto relationships had a deficiency in legal rights compared to those who were married, they still do. If 20 % in defacto relationships were gay and half of them now get married, then 90% of the problem remains. The 90% still in defacto relationships are suffering a deficiency in legal rights.

[@renesmit6774]

I agree. The whole purpose of the latest twist on PC is to great hate and an enemy. It is to give their cause a purpose.

[@mattsta1964]

Always a pleasure listening to Brendan

[@buttebears6108]

26:35 French citizens go to the streets to Riot some have been called yellow shirts but they're just sick and tired of just one more tax levied on there income this time it's a fuel tax for the environment #Fed Up

[@neorich59]

Love listening to Brendan speak, for more reasons than one! He's very easy on the eye😉 I agree with most of what he says, but his comments about knife crime in London are simplistic, to say the least. Following the "logic" of his argument here, it should be happening across the UK and it isn't. I live in a largely peaceful city with very little crime and no, "no go areas!" Of course parents (and teachers, I used to be one) can still "discipline" their kids, that doesn't have to involve a return to corporal punishment. I don't know whether Brendan has kids, but, if he does, I'll bet *theyre* not out committing knife crimes.

[@lechenaultia5863]

The 'sex divide' isn't a 'core belief of society'. It's basic, biological, irreversible, incontrovertible fact.

[@linjubar]

The “alt-right?” I’d really like to know who are these people? From my understanding, ordinary conservatives who believe in the Constitution and the freedoms it gives are labeled “alt-right.“ It’s a term that I first heard from Hillary Clinton to label Trump supporters, you know, “the deplorables.”Brendan is buying into PC language by using this label.

[@bigfan1041]

rightrealist.com/articles/faq This is the fundamentals of the alt right. Should be common sense really, but people like to lie and distort.

[@fionagregory9147]

We are not all yanks. Some of us are British. Hurray!

[@jack.1.]

Around 18 to 19 min hits nail on head on the sophistry of BLM and the vision for treatment of race

[@TofeldianSage]

I like Brendan O'Neill, but this is rubbish on two counts: 1. Political Correctness is not having unintended consequences on society, and resulting in the accidental undermining of key institutions. These institutions were targeted for destruction by Antonio Gramsci and the Frankfurt School, and PC is just a tool to achieve the ends they sought. It is doing EXACTLY what it was intended to do. 2. Secondly, the Trumpian response to PC is ill-defined by Mr. O'Neill, but he seems to lapse easily into the lazy assertion that it's all basically white supremacy. I stopped listening at that point; Mr. O'Neill doesn't understand the Trump phenomenon at all. The shame of it is that Brendan O'Neill is bright and well-spoken, but remains a Marxist inside, and it hampers his ability to see the world as it is. For a moment there I thought he had broken free of his fetters, but he hasn't.

[@christopherwharton6022]

I like Brendan, but he's wrong about trump playing into white victimhood culture. Trump was playing in to the fact that America is being ripped off by countries that call themselves our allies and partners. I guess Brendan thinks trump is dog whistling to whites, but I've only ever heard the president talk about doing what's right for the country. America is one of the most diverse countries ever, so if you listen to what the president actual says, he is standing up for every ethnic group in the world so long as they are American.

[@rhedinrage1601]

I wore an indian chieftain headdress in the UK on American Thanksgiving to both celebrate a story I had written about a fantasy tabletop race based on native american mythos and celebrate the settlers breaking bread with the natives and someone called me racist for doing it :D

[@petertelford4900]

I'M NOT IN POLITICS SO I DON'T HAVE TO BE POLITICALLY CORRECT. Someone please debate my statement.

[@paulukjames7799]

Some good points from a midway platform which is good way of looking at it for the Neoliberal class to think about.

[@Johnconno]

Didn't CIS and Cato have links to Blackwater?

[@dickensdickens3025]

PC is utter bollocks

[@deal2live]

Is being called a Marxist worse than be called a Nazi?

[@GuileQwerty]

2:25 for O'Neill's intro.

[@Johnconno]

Every woman I've offered to buy a drink for has said yes. I didn't ask 'do you feel like a casual fuck?'

[@IgnoreMeImWrong]

I have assholes at an organization called 'Speak Out' attempting to silence the freedom of expression and speech because some of the clients are offended, the irony being that the clients are also bullies of other clients.

[@fionagregory9147]

We say arseholes in UK because an ass is a donkey but an arse is a bottom.

[@IgnoreMeImWrong]

@@fionagregory9147 You're being way too anal.

[@brianthesnail2460]

It’s strange that political correctness is so powerful but the Minority view

[@belesariius]

Defense against the ridiculousness of cultural appropriation ; If it holds true, then every country/person of colour, every woman, must put down every single item ever invented or created by white men. By their same logic, that is also cultural appropriation. Clothing, housing,medical advances, transport ; all of it. I am sure that the tally would not be balanced.

[@michaelz9892]

Camille Paglia has been saying this stuff for years.

[@sourcescience]

I've always thought it funny that the less favourable an organisation is regarding free speech, the longer the grandstanding, waffling drone speaks for by way of introduction.

[@EmperorsNewWardrobe]

Are children responsible for the sins of their father? This should be a key question for the historical-oppression invokers

[@sorayaboyd9275]

It would be tremendously helpful and himbling to remind ourselves that as far as race is concerned so far as we know there is only one. We may talk about and or in terms of cultures, languages, ethnicies etc BUT not race since we are, as humans, all an integral component of the human race

[@paulishism]

Tony Blaire apologising for the famine is pretty simple. He was acting as a representative of the British state, you know his job at the time, not as an individual. It was the British apologising for what the British had done, not Tony Blaire apologising for what his ancestors had done.

[@elizabethblackwell6242]

It's not just men who don't want to hire women, it's also women. Women behave poorly towards both sexes in the work place because they know they can get away with general, non specific nonsense.

[@toddles9]

I love the irony of this website's name is 'cis'.org.

[@reservingallrights5169]

Love the talk...Buy a belt ...It is distracting to watch you hike up your drawers very 30 seconds.

[@MrFunkia]

Brendan, I don't think that you understand the Trumpian revolution at all. Sometimes it is necessary to destroy a town in order to save it!

[@jiminverness]

"micro-aggression" is a reasonable sounding term that actually means nothing. It is a reasonable sounding nonsense term, like "non-linear time".

[@michaellear3276]

Majority of white men don't even know they are full of micro aggressions they might see 1 or 2 of them with special rehabilitation but that's why there called micro aggressions because to a white man whose absolutely full of micro aggressions he carnt see it even with special rehabilitation, so there's no way to solve the problem unless society is prepared to demote those white men in positions of power and promote ethnic minorities by the means of positive discrimination, it will probably take a few generations but the birth rate amongst whites is so low now it might only take a few generations to bring the white Male population down to such low levels that micro aggressions can be extinguished like certain diseases like TB have been eradicated from certain society's, Hopefully 1 day we can all see sence and leave the past in the past forgive each other and live in perfect harmony

[@saintejeannedarc9460]

@@michaellear3276 You sound utterly insane.

[@michaellear3276]

@@saintejeannedarc9460 sorry I was being sarcastic its called English humor

[@saintejeannedarc9460]

@@michaellear3276 Canadians know sarcasm well, but there's usually some hint it's sarcasm. That was a bit too dry I guess. It's a relief to know you're not insane though. Sadly, there's people out there who believe this crap.

[@michaellear3276]

@@saintejeannedarc9460 they all believe that crazy rubbish there whole agenda is the complete destruction of the Christian west there certainly doing a good job of it that's not being sarcastic that's the battle were in

[@Asha2820]

Think about how much time you spend being aware of people's status as right handed or left handed. Left handed people need different scissors, and there's some studies to show that left-handed people might be a bit more creative, on average. But no-one sets aside a quota for hiring left-handed people, and no-one makes assumptions about lefties being 'sinister'. There's no walled cultures which belong to people because of their handedness, and you just... don't think about it that much. Wouldn't it be nice if people treated race like they did handedness? Let's head in that direction.

[@saffigrey5887]

Lets head (back) in that direction

[@williammedford5891]

Brendan, your basis for objection to President Trump is as clear as mud. What the hell are you talking about?

[@audience2]

Sex is a bimodal distribution with almost all people recognisably and chromosomally either male or female. It isn't entirely binary but most are capable of either being a biological mother or biological father, never both. Intersex is rare. Transexuals want to be the opposite gender not something in between. Other gender claims are rare.

[@ZombieCorp999]

Go on a campus and scream in a feminists face? Don't you mean the opposite of that? 26:30 I don't think taxing the people into poverty is all that "friendly". Alt-right just means, Boogeyman.

[@gushutchinson8758]

Is there an alternative to making their plea to the state? Is there a non state option ? If only

[@vaughanlockett658]

Its crazy to delete your own history or to deride what bits you do and don’t teach. Case in point my wife is Bulgarian so wanted to learn some history about Bulgaria . It so happens that around four years ago Americans PHD student moved to Bulgaria immersed his self into there culture and opened up the history that had being hidden and untold for 2000 years over a two year period on a podcast all resources and research were used to achieve this history Reporting if right or wrong it was left to the listener to make his own conclusion. As you can imagine Bulgaria had its history almost eradicated by age Ottoman or communist regimes. So you can imagine the story that was fed to the Bulgarians over theses centuries. Bulgarians were surprised or denied some sort f there own history. .

[@KimPhilby203]

O Neill is a classic old skool decent conservative...

[@fluffythebunnyslayer20]

Great talk but why are the hosts orange?

[@chinaski2020]

I generally agree with much of what O'Neill says here. But the jump (35:00) from Rhodes Scholars at Oxford University wanting to tear down statues of Cecil Rhodes to indigenous Australians wanting to change the date of Australia Day was completely unfair. Conventions like Welcome to Country and the High Court decision about traditional owners of the land effectively do very little for Aboriginal people, but it would seem that they are among the only concession they can get from the Australian govt. What good does being a traditional landowner do when mining companies can still extract minerals from the land? What good are Welcome to Country acknowledgements when they are no more than lip service and everybody just rolls their eyes? Cecil Rhodes had Rhodesia named for him, then that country gained independence and became Zimbabwe. I'm not sure how many statues of Cecil Rhodes are left in Harare but my guess would be very few. Aboriginal Australians have not gained their independence and are still living under the colonialism of their land, regardless of whatever toothless court decisions ostensibly go their way. Having the national day, celebration the nation, that they are expected to join in with, to assimilate with, fall on the anniversary of what was to them an invasion is understandably unacceptable. It's hard to see how intelligent people cannot grasp that. It's galling to hear people like Jeremy Sammut say we should simply forget these kind of past events, that Aborigines should move on. Does he say that about Anzac Day? Lest we forget these dead; best we forgot those. Jeremy Sammut: "One of the things that I think is really important when we talk about people dredging up historical facts is that at some point if we're going to have to have a society that reflects and respects peoples' right [sic?] is forgetting." So we're *not going to forget* the date that the first fleet landed in Australia, in fact we're going to celebrate that day every year. But the people who suffered from that fleet arriving, they're going to have to forget it and move on. It's blatantly hypocritical bullshit.

[@megmartel6005]

Jack Gordon - you are living in the past. Aborigines have the same rights as every other Australian. Taxpayers pay $33B every year on less than 500k Aborigines.

[@chinaski2020]

​@@megmartel6005 either address what I've written in good faith or piss off.

[@megmartel6005]

Jack Gordon - what you have written is garbage. "Aboriginal Australians have not gained independence!!" What a bizarre thing to say. Aborigines are living under the same laws as everyone else in the country. There are Aboriginal politicians. Australia was a land of nomadic hunter-gatherer tribes who fought each other but couldn't defend their territory. Same story since the beginning of time. "still living under the colonialism of their land"🤔 please grow up.

[@hariseldon3786]

Once people get a taste of freedom of expression they are loathe to surrender it to the State...

[@Showbizboy]

Noble Tarkan that’s generally a good thing.

[@hooligan9794]

Never heard "discontents" before. Always heard of it as "malcontents". Not disputing the cromulence of the word just sounds weird to me. 😅

[@harunskywalker4942]

Ahhh.. a world without covid-19. You are sooo unaware of what is coming

[@johnashton3088]

Feminist misandry is O'Neill's blind-spot.

[@kareemrhouila4023]

The whole premise of this argument is like the UKIP guy who was saying ‘Bulgarian people are overqualified in their job here and would be suited to go back to their own country where they would be more valued’. Don’t pretend to be for the minorities it’s disingenuous.

[@bike756]

This seems for the most part like an intelligent group of people having an important discussion... *except* I'm amazed at the level of argument that seems to be accepted around trans and gay issues. Has no one in the room ever met a trans person? It seems like their understanding of this issue comes straight from the tabloids - not from any personal experience or real conversation. That really undermines the rest of the argument for me.

[@audreymaclelland3995]

Oh Brendan , I was agreeing wholeheartedly with you until you said you supported Brexit!

[@welshhibby]

Wow you like the EU ?! You can hear the fucking crickets 🦗 over their reaction to Coronavirus.

[@Messier45_Pleiades]

I am so sick of whiteness being something we are all supposed to hate. I am sick of white being used as a pejorative. The racists are the one who think we should hate being white.

[@carols4013]

Are all Australians so orangey tan? 😄

[@nv7287]

hehehe its called sun :P

[@carols4013]

@@nv7287 Looks more like dye. 😆

[@drdaverob]

Boy this video attracts a lot of nutters

[@Jivansings]

Some major PC intellectuals admit to me that “equity” is obviously project of revenge. Hello?! We know ! For the confused majority, however, this all seems to rest on a longing for certainty at the expense of honesty. Politics and relationships worth having demand that we delve much deeper. The possibilities that exist between two people, or among a group of people, are a kind of alchemy. They are the most interesting thing in life. The liar (one who evokes equity to cancel to harm) is someone who keeps losing sight of these possibilities. Determined by manipulation, by the need for control, their lives may possess a dreary, bickering kind of drama, but they cease to be interesting. They are repetitious; the spark of human possi­bilities has ceased to reverberate through them.

[@helenphelan4433]

The Olympics will be a big issue this year