Niall Ferguson rebuts John Mearsheimer: Don't Underestimate the China-Russia-Iran Axis

[@CISAus]

What should the USA do about Russia, China and Iran?

[@INDIGOBLUE555]

@@CISAus What the US would "like to do" ?!! As for my understanding at the Pentagon they would be glad to set up a bipolar scenario with Russian Federation as a strategic partner. Never say never 🇺🇸🌐🇷🇺

[@bertilhaggman7937]

@@INDIGOBLUE555 25:43 😊😊❤q😊q😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊q

[@SI-qp7cm]

Gods you guys are in a bubble. NATO just got its butt handed to them after a full capability frontal attack. Land, Sea, Air and economic. Russia is stronger than before and NATO doctrine proven to be inadequate. Face facts, the West cannot maintain or succeed in any military conflict . We can barely figure out our gender. Our strength is not in military , to kid ourselves is criminal

[@utility00]

@@SI-qp7cm What PC game is this? Was the graphics good?

[@nimanthanadunge4549]

accept multipolarity and focus on their own peoples interests first. no ones gone come for their head. lets put an end to fear mongering please.

[@ciprynus]

With Niall Ferguson is not about what he thinks, it is about who pays his bills

[@disdoncable]

Who pays his bills?

[@naeemdollie6836]

@@disdoncable The hungry hippos eating in the background.

[@kirstinstrand6292]

@@disdoncable Anyone who will hire him for his mouth.

[@bola0909]

Appears to be a common factor applies almost universaly this days.

[@elbarca223]

Niall Ferguson is misinterpreting the situation.

[@Psykologisss]

It is very difficult to identify arguments in Nialls speech here. Fragmented without real substance.

[@mariapaisieva4511]

Yeah right from the beginning he said he is going to explain how Mershiamer is wrong... So he announced that he doesn't a solid thesis, he just wants to gaslight everyone.

[@dasweiszeschaf7214]

Exactly!!

[@bijoydas449]

Absolutely correct. I was about to write the same. I found him just chewing some words without any meaning.

[@SegzWithTedCruz]

They only have two responses to actual facst. Slogans and Smearing, this idiot was heavy on the slogans.

[@haykeg.7507]

How dare you say that? What about his argument about euh…. Or when…. Damn it…what about his impression of Donald trump ? I think it is worth wasting 45min of your life.

[@robertomanca9700]

From the comments it seems watching this video would be a waste of 42 odd minutes. I know Meirsheimer's argument and it's very hard to refute. But I wanted to watch this to hear other bells too and keep myself openminded. Yet, it seems this is not a counter argument and it's below an acceptable level of seriousness.

[@rageburst]

I went through the 40 min, and it's like listening to a bunch of statements without any cohesion of relevance to each other. I was hoping to have an actual counter-argument, but I couldn't even get a gist of what he is even trying to communicate.

[@voiceofreason6515]

It all comes down to if you support the West or not. You and most of the commenters clearly prefer China and Russia. Yes those bastions of freedom.

[@VaughanMcCue]

Who are the two best challengers to Meirsheimer's arguments?

[@rageburst]

@@VaughanMcCue Personally, those that argue that economic cooperation and nuclear deterrence can transcend the need for balancing against one another. However, this doesn't solve what is effectively the Prisonner's dilemma. If one nation-state decides to not play along, another state's survival will be put at risk. Nuclear deterrence is good at making everyone sober, but it does not guarantee that it wouldn't be used especially in situations where the conditions for peace are not acceptable. Mearsheimer's preferred grand strategy is Offshore balancing and it's well worth looking into. It's a step above isolationism and you can use America's decision to help in both World Wars as an example of when to use military force, and leave once the regional forces can maintain the balance of power themselves. Otherwise, I think you have to go out of the box to go against the dictates of his theory and to fundamentally change at least one of the underlying assumptions of realist theory. Example, if we transform our world to become hierarchic somehow (instead of anarchic), nation-states wouldn't compete with each other. Such an event would be like aliens inviting us to join the Star Trek Federation.

[@Forest_Knight]

it's actually easy to refute, unless you throw out the ideological premise that "whatever Russia does is good, whatever US does is bad".

[@zubinix]

The Axis of Evil invaded and killed over 1 million people in Iraq. We are talking about the same countries right?

[@uschurch]

Are you delusional? Shiites getting back at Sunni's caused 97% of the deaths in Iraq after the fall of Saddam, which pretty much everyone with a moral compass welcomed. Ru propaganda is so transparent...

[@tnndll4294]

The US does not want to stay in the countries it invades. Russia, China do.

[@MaxPayne-fi1mz]

​@@Leah-ju8htI think we should take Afghan refugees 😅. Some of the best Americans I have seen are from there.

[@milosurosevic8729]

axis also destroyed Yugoslavia, serious country which was potential competitor to big european countries, and then, against international law and without un resolution, bombed Yugoslavia to stop non existing genocide in order to occupy our province of kosovo, install their base there and to steal enormous amounts of coal from that region

[@utility00]

@@Leah-ju8ht You mean the Soviets?

[@SuperKripke]

Yikes, the comments aren't buying what Niall Ferguson is selling. A huge step down from John Mearsheimer.

[@aimedia9020]

I buy about 80% of Meirsheimer's position. However, he simply doesn't understand China. Projecting Western thinking onto China is simplistic and wrong.

[@SuperKripke]

@aimedia9020 Mearsheimer isn't gospel and all theories have their valid criticism, even political realism. Ferguson's neocolonial viewpoints stem from an ideology that has been morally bankrupt for the last 100 years despite its frequency in practice: Israel being a perfect example.

[@SegzWithTedCruz]

Seriously, this sloganeer doesn't deserve to be named in the same sentence as JM

[@tnndll4294]

Ferguson predicted both of Putin's invasions. He even named the place: Crimea.

[@vhdlx]

@@aimedia9020 He's wrong about russia as well. the fact of matter is russia just doesnt care about the sovereignty of eastern europe. putin isnt trying to uphold some "strategic depth" strategy by taking over eastern europe. he just straight up doesnt think they should exist, period. its a blatantly imperial ambition.

[@moonlitsky5744]

He says Hezbollah fires missiles to kill many Israelis, leaving out that israel killed 2,000 Lebanese civilians in a few weeks. Meirshaehmaer doesn’t do that. He doesn’t mock or belittle, he explains why the parties do what they do.

[@ekesandras1481]

1993 Mearsheimer advocated for a nuclear armed Ukraine, because even back than it was evident, that someday Russia would return to an agressive imperialistic foreign policy. Today the same Mearsheimer has become a Pro-Russia peacenik, who spreads Putins narrative on a daily basis on KZbin.

[@bobmartin3896]

Does Mearsheihmer tells that there is not possible to negotiate with Hisbolah and Hamas, because their main - not negotiable - aim is to destroy the israel state? Would you negotiate with the volk who elected Hamas as the palestinians in Gaza did? They did know exactly what is the main aim of Hamas! Even though, the majority of palestinians in Gaza voted for Hamas? Would you as Israeli give Palestinians an independent state even you know that their main aim is to destroy you!? How mutch money EU and other countries donated to Gaza in last decades? This money was for build infrastructure. What the palestinians have done with this money? Their build tunnels and weaponize them. What else do the palestinians? They are reproducing them! Here an overview of Gaza citizens population: 1.5 million in 2010, and 2.1 million in 2023 and that it will rise to 2.4 million, 2.9 million in 2040. So what they have in mind over all!? Answer: to reproduce them self based on external donation and kill Israelis. Moreover, in 1986 I met in Hannover, Germany a Palestinian who got a scholarship from German government and studied in Germany. I discussed with him about conflicht between Izraelis and Palestinians and asked him, what might be the solution? He sai "wipe out Israelis ino Mediterranian sea". And, he is not only one who thinks the same. This guy might be today 65 yearsvold. His son might be one of Hamas fighters or partisans. Furthermore, Izrael made big effort in last decade to negotiate with Arabian World around and made significant improvement in relationship with them. Only who did not wellcome this arevIran, Hisbolah, Hamas, Huthy, Russia. So, they started the trouble in 2023 in order to sabotage the process of freedom in Arab World. Additinaly: Germany stared WW1, lost the war and paid with losing theritory! Germany stared WW2, lost the war and paid with losing theritory! Palestinians started 1948 the war against the Israelis. Palestinians lost the war and paid with theritory. So, you cannot start a war w/o beeint panished. Might be if you are atom superpower.

[@chriswong9158]

Worst, Meirshaehmaer would prefer to pivot the Middle East, Ukraine war to China PRC, his start of World War III

[@julialevin9752]

Why Israelis killed Lebanese? Why is Hezbollah firing rockets into Israel? Did Mearshimer explained that?

[@Muriel02]

You know nothing about hezbollah and offer an empty criticism. Must Niall explain what terrorism is and what it means to fight terror? Grow up little boy.

[@zak992]

God help us if oxford, harvard and stanford can produce such a lightweight neocon, had to stop half way through, the man aint got a clue how the world works

[@marquardtfrickert3939]

This guy is so pro Israel.... I think he's almost like a CIA spokesperson to be honest lol

[@captiveexile2670]

Yes, MEARSCHEIMER'S A R E A L I S T !

[@hdaniel2100]

Very disappointing. The intellectual level is embarrassing.

[@brandon-hh7jf]

Yes, nothing but WEF talking points and inverted truths shows Ferguson is merely an apologist for a post colonial order under threat.

[@mrbigolnuts3041]

You realize who you are speaking about?

[@markmarcas6523]

He is an idiot. When highly educated and connected ppl make absurd claims that are clearly political and not connected to reality they are nothing but intellectual prostitude which describes NF.

[@chickenlover657]

Nothing "intellectual" here. Just adolescent humor and mocking. Zero argument.

[@mic982]

Perhaps your own "intellectual level" is found wanting? If you fail to grasp what points are being made in an argument, a reassessment of your own assumptions of that argument might be advisable.

[@teoengchin]

The stand-up comedian they hired to entertain their dinner guests wasn't very funny

[@carlosdangerfield9477]

They should've hired Tony.

[@springinfialta106]

Needs work on his impersonations, especially on impersonating a believable historian.

[@darthmortus5702]

Honestly his charisma is his best part, but we did not come here to be entertained but to be informed and that is where he fails flat.

[@canteluna]

Neither is your irrelevant comment.

[@ahmmustafakamal696]

It’s very pathetic to bring a comedian to rebut someone as brilliant as John Mearshimer.

[@danilabezmenov3489]

You starting with ad hominem is all we need to know about the qualities of Mearshimer's admirers and likely something about quality of Mearshimer's arguments as well.

[@ahmmustafakamal696]

@@danilabezmenov3489 And someone getting adhominem while lecturing others about adhominem ? Sounds familiar.

[@RamonesFan201]

@@ahmmustafakamal696 no not really

[@danilabezmenov3489]

@@ahmmustafakamal696 , you may want to google what ad hominem is, buddy. )

[@persallnas5408]

@@danilabezmenov3489 Ignore these trolls

[@voskoff7]

This guy is a mouth peace for the forever war of the neocons but with sprinkles on top

[@Avigkit]

He cites bill burns on China, but ignores bill burns “nyet means nyet” position re nato expansion

[@DrVictorVasconcelos]

No, he outright agrees that Russia's stance is reasonable given how NATO systematically destroys its enemies. He thinks Putin is right to be concerned based on accounts of former US diplomats that the US intends to slice Russia in ethnic lines to dismantle its military power.

[@DrVictorVasconcelos]

And that is because he thinks Russia is closer to Western values than it is to Eastern values and would side with the US against China (if they are well treated) should the need arise. So he thinks their military power is best used that way rather than extinguished.

[@DrVictorVasconcelos]

My other comment was deleted for no discernible reason

[@seaside66]

My comment was deleted as well.

[@lieshtmeiser5542]

@@DrVictorVasconcelos "...he thinks Russia is closer to Western values than it is to Eastern values and would side with the US against China..." Russia is not close to Western values. It is essentially a personality dictatorship like Saddam's Iraq. The idea that the USA today would support Putin against PRC is absurd. PRC is not a Nazi / Imperial Japan level threat (at least not yet), but Putin is. The only thing that Putin has done is cement enlargement of NATO and remind the world why its good that such a thing as NATO exists. The war in ukraine makes it more likely that there will be a EU defense force.

[@FarTooFar]

Mearsheimer believes everything Putin says with utmost credulity. He's just coasting on his reputation from the 60s. The russobots here pretending he's still relevant are truly pathetic.

[@ozzyphil74]

Please address his points and show evidence where he has been wrong. Saying Mearsheimer believes Putin is disingenuous. You obviously believe the West including politicians who say expanding NATO isn't a threat to Russia. I can use facts to refute that sentiment. What can you bring to support your incredulity regarding Mearsheimer?

[@gedonckers]

​@@ozzyphil74 NATO expansion was an excuse, nothing more. Poland's eastern border vs Ukraine's eastern border makes no difference to Russia's security. In terms of modern weaponry, NATO would be a threat equally if it ended in France. Now, where you see Mearsheimer is disingenuous is his double standards. For Russia, might equals right. 'Putin did it, what you gonna do'. For others, its about morality of ending the loss of life. Either stick to one or the other and work out the consequences. This way, you can listen to him and think it is RT.

[@agritech802]

Yes you're 100% right, they were way too kind to Mearsheimer, he's just a pupit of Putin, it's a waste of time listening to him

[@CityofLondon_GreatGame]

@FarTooFar You sound like a City of London and Wall Street warmongering thug that is trying to maintain the rotten UK/USA hegemony🤣🤣🤢🤢🤮

[@azar1354]

Mearsheimer's reputation from the 60s?! Most KZbinrs watching Mearsheimer's videos were not even born then. Mearsheimer outlines his arguments very clearly. He has done his homework very well. You have every right to disagree with him. But accusing him of nativity?! I don't think so.

[@sahrbockarie9710]

Australia 🇦🇺 should focus on economic growth, trade cooperation with our neighbours, and good governance. We are not interested in excessive militarism.

[@gilligan87]

Define "excessive"

[@paulbestwick2426]

​@@gilligan87I think he means anything above minimal is excessive

[@gilligan87]

@@paulbestwick2426 then he likely doesn't understand the position his country is in

[@brandon-hh7jf]

But US/UK need militarism to preserve their anglo-saxon empire. They try to self-interestedly make the case that if their empire goes down so do we......which is not true.

[@mirkovic]

Australia would need to grow a pair… something that as a nation we seem to be unable or unwilling to do…

[@zactianne6331]

I'm surprised that someone so intellectual can be so clueless about the the global political evolution that's happening in the Near East and Far East, or does he just know which side his bread gets buttered on.

[@antilove84]

the man has to fill his wallet

[@canteluna]

Then why don't you enlighten us. I would love to hear you attempt to speak intelligently about where Fergusson is actually wrong, rather than resort to ad hominem. BTW Mearsheimer is nothing but a Putin propagandist.

[@donrayjay]

Remember this guy argued the Iraq war was a good idea - tells you all you need to know. His only good book was his first book, The Pity of War, that argued the First World War was unnecessary. Every book after that has been pro every US war of aggression and apologetic for British and US colonialism

[@rexiioper6920]

he discovered where the cash was after the first book

[@PetarPopara]

Because those sources are more lucrative than free thinking.

[@canteluna]

You didn't come here to listen and learn, you came here to troll. Anyone who takes Mearsheimer seriously knows less than nothing and mere Putin propagandists. If the West listened to Putin's mouthpiece Mearsheimer, the Baltics and much of eastern Europe would be Russian satellites.

[@andreeaalexandru7811]

You guys are so brainwashed by the Neo Marxist Ideology Cult Subversion Bubble that the only thing I can do is pray for you.

[@dusanpavlovic8580]

How is this a rebuttal of Mearsheimer? The basic premise and implicit assumption of Mearsheimer’s theory is that resources, even for great powers like the U.S., are scarce. “Deterrence depends on military readiness.” Well, that’s precisely the point. The U.S. is not prepared to wage several wars simultaneously. Mearsheimer argues that it should choose only one.

[@danilabezmenov3489]

So, what's your solution given that China wages war on multiple fronts: supports Russia to weaken the West, amasses resources to start a war in South China Sea and buys its way into Africa?

[@BobAbc0815]

Thats asuming that they have the Choice, rather then China and Proxies making that Choice (by attacking something the US needs to defend).

[@bubbles556]

On top Mersheimer argued that Nato expansion makes Russia feel threatened by its military might and strengthen its military. In his argument that is deterrence so like i don't think they disagree on a lot he's pov is flawed in where he chooses to focus on

[@danilabezmenov3489]

​@@bubbles556 , so, NATO should stop accepting new members, just so Russia doesn't attack its neighbors? How would you comment on Sweden and Finland applying to NATO as a result of Russia's invasion in Ukraine? How would you comment on Russian officials saying they have no problem with those countries being accepted to NATO (whilst this act doubled the border between NATO and Russia)? Why is Ukraine different? My version is that NATO expansion is simply a propaganda claim whilst the true motive of the invasion is Putin's obsession with Ukraine that in his view isn't a country and shouldn't exist , which he clearly stated multiple times. Unlike his successes in Chechnya and Georgia he failed to buy Ukraine's politics (long term) and thus he invaded.

[@jean-marcducommun8185]

Putin was very willing to cooperate with the West early in but over time was rebuffed on various occasions - long history short it’s a foreign policy error of the first order to try to set your challenger check mate by placing your rockets next to his door and to think that he will accept it (think Cuba). Putin had no other option as a letter to Meetoo chief earned him the middle finger, so he acted. Later then an option to end the war at an early stage was sabotaged by a person with wild blond hair but a similar mindset as the speaker and the result is what we have. So many things could have been done to avoid this situation but things have been driven in this direction by purpose. All this contradicts the viewpoint of his speach to the point that it’s just another piece of neocon like propaganda.

[@TommyAlpha-gg3ig]

4:16 Ferguson says about Henry Kissinger : Why did Henry Kissinger once say, "To be an enemy of the US is dangerous, but to be a friend is fatal"? So Australia has a choice or two, go BRICS .

[@akapbhan]

yes but kissinger also warned against admitting any eastern european countries into the nato bloc. Also, he wanted the region to be buffer space.

[@lambchop3805]

If I had to explain what “wrong and delusional” means I’ll just show this video. Dear Lord not a single argument makes sense.

[@peterabild1123]

It’s strange that some of these experts always must insist that the other expert is completely wrong. To say that NATO expansion has nothing to do with the war in Ukraine while not only Mearsheimer but also Burns , Merkel and Sarkosy all said already in 2008 that Russia would see it as declaration of war. Sure Putin also has imperialism on his mind and sure the withdrawal from Afghanistan encouraged Putin and sure some people in Ukraine wanted to join EU but not NATO. Many reasons combined caused the war but for sure the NATO expansion was the main reason. Furthermore to blame the Democratic Party for everything seems like election propaganda.

[@cryptohodler824]

Its about history, Great Britain wants Sevastopol since 1850, Russia will never allow Georgia, Ucraine to enter NATO, it can not happen, Russia will fight to bitter end in this aspects. Even nuclear war is on the table, and it has nothing with Putin.

[@andrejboskovic4867]

You forget one thing:Ukraine is not a NATO member and if you think that NATO expansion to Ukraine that never happened was a main reason for Russian aggression how comes that NATO expansion to Finland and Sweden that has really happened hadn't cause Russian aggression on those countries?

[@jean-marcducommun8185]

@@andrejboskovic4867Not mention ed that Russia was on track to end the war at a very early stage but due to an intervention from a postman with a Churchill complex the decision to punish and weaken Russia was taken because no blood needed to be spilled. This part of the story was held under wrap and makes it useless.

[@canteluna]

If the West listened to those such as Mearsheimer warning against NATO expansion, the Baltics and much of eastern Europe would be Russian satellites, enabling Putin greater geopolitical strength to project power further into the West (I mean both military and economic power). Imagine you were living in the one of these places vulnerable to Putin, and let's say you actually wanted to live in a country with free press and rule of law, would you want to join NATO? And Fergusson is correct that the recent Democrats have done a piss poor job of projecting US power in the world where it matters. I am no fan of Trump but the US needs to return to projecting power where it matters. THAT is why Putin ventured into Ukraine, NOT NATO expansion. After seeing what the West did about him taking Crimea, he thought he'd take more.

[@technokicksyourass]

The plan was always for Russia to go to war... the desire of Ukraine to join NATO is consequence of this.. not a cause.

[@roryg94]

Very weak speech, peppered with pathetic impersonations, typical British colonial sarcasm, and innuendos about how there's been no order in the Middle East since we and the French left. As the Waterboys famously sang "Old England is dying". Maybe you will get your bagpiper, at the funeral.

[@denisdaly1708]

The Waterboys.. I'm impressed with your taste.

[@easwaransanthakumar297]

This guy is Churchillian historian. Seeing every thing through anglo saxon lens.

[@theH0UNDSofD00M]

Have you built any sewers lately?

[@donaldseekins6516]

Here is yet another word we should banish from the English language: "Churchillian."

[@garymcnutt]

he'a an embarrassment to Ibrox, Glasgow and Scotland.

[@stirlingmoss9637]

What lens do you view the world through, Bubba?

[@easwaransanthakumar297]

@stirlingmoss9637 it's called Independent lens.

[@no_humbug1535]

Cringingly bumptious, so pleased with himself, dangerous, celebrity historian Ferguson!

[@stirlingmoss9637]

Try some facts darling or just go back to Hello Magazine.

[@jmfangio286]

Had a few drinks, I think, rather expansive.

[@canteluna]

You didn't come here to listen and learn, you came here to troll. Anyone who takes Mearsheimer seriously knows less than nothing and mere Putin propagandists. If the West listened to Putin's mouthpiece Mearsheimer, the Baltics and much of eastern Europe would be Russian satellites.

[@pmays4]

Hope this gets lots of views, it shows how weak the globalists' arguments are.

[@canteluna]

You didn't come here to listen and learn, you came here to troll. Anyone who takes Mearsheimer seriously knows less than nothing and mere Putin propagandists. If the West listened to Putin's mouthpiece Mearsheimer, the Baltics and much of eastern Europe would be Russian satellites. When I hear someone using platitudes such as "globalists" I know I'm dealing with an idiot who knows nothing but Steve Bannon talking points. People like you are dangerously stupid.

[@panicbutton4380]

John Mearsheimer would eat this guy for breakfast in a live debate.

[@Abcde-u3r]

I doubt it, Prof Mearsheimer is too nice of a human being that he dose not interrupt the opponent nor pander to the crowd. He lost in some past debates, yet time had proven that he was right.

[@janjasiewicz9851]

@@Abcde-u3ryou mean when he stated that Putin won’t invade Ukraine in 2022? And the Ukraine should be be encouraged to resist the Russians

[@carlosdangerfield9477]

You really think John would eat shit? I don't think so.

[@canteluna]

You didn't come here to listen and learn, you came here to troll. Anyone who takes Mearsheimer seriously knows less than nothing and mere Putin propagandists. If the West listened to Putin's mouthpiece Mearsheimer, the Baltics and much of eastern Europe would be Russian satellites. People like you are dangerously stupid.

[@arthurhughes8659]

Prof Mearsheimer doesn't have to read his presentation! He knows what he's talking about... unlike Niall Ferguson who is just a pompous talking head.

[@eduardogasparian8233]

Like the Nobel winner Richard Feynman once said. I don't l8ke to hang around the academia, they are filled with illustrious pompous people.

[@PetarPopara]

When it comes to self-importance and pomp, he's second only to the royals.

[@canteluna]

If the West listened to Putin's mouthpiece Mearsheimer, the Baltics and much of eastern Europe would be Russian satellites. You didn't come here to listen and learn, you came here to troll. Anyone who takes Mearsheimer seriously knows less than nothing and mere Putin propagandists.

[@stevebashir9330]

This argument is weak and contrived. It's not realistic. Mearsheimer's argument is much more realistic.

[@haykeg.7507]

Argument? What argument ? I watched 3 times and still looking for a single argument.

[@canteluna]

Hahahaha! Great analysis, genius. You can always tell how stupid Mearsheimer is by the idiots that take him seriously. You didn't come here to listen and learn, you came here to troll. Anyone who takes Mearsheimer seriously knows less than nothing and is a mere Putin propagandists. If the West listened to Putin's mouthpiece, Mearsheimer, the Baltics and much of eastern Europe would be Russian satellites. People like you are dangerously stupid.

[@AlanCzajkowski]

Niall Ferguson claiming that USA is defending democracy in Ukraine (one of the most politically corrupt nations in Europe) and Israel (where the government has declared the nation to be exclusively a Jewish state, effectively second-classing anybody non-Jewish) ... is pure comedy

[@rexiioper6920]

this is why people have stopped listening to these establishment mouthpieces

[@shelbzillathrilla]

In Israel, its mandatory military service unless you are an Arab citizen, in which case you are exempt because Israeli Arabs are not expected or trusted to ethnically cleanse their own relatives.

[@bad209]

@@shelbzillathrilla im sure you see the problem or pain point in your statement.

[@AdamS-pp9cg]

“one of the most corrupt”, good point, want to try listing the ones that are more corrupt? (and less democratic)

[@bad209]

@AdamS-pp9cg there isn't he was being diplomatic. You could argue Belarus is, but it's not even close. Ukraine is a despot state. It's not democratic. Just cause they had an election once upon a time doesn't make it a democratic. Since 2014, the government’s have been unstable, and since 2018/19, zelenzsky has cancelled all elections and shut down any news channel critical of him. Zalesky is an authoritarian and one party totalitarian state. The mypia from blind ukraine supports irks me. They proclaim that ukraine is something that it never was. It was never a liberal state.

[@krischanlive]

This man is a propagandist. Just horrible.

[@smthgbttruth]

Thank you. I tried. Balanced perspectives and all, but it gets increasingly cringe and I quit a bit more than halfway in. Never a good sign when supposedly high analysis starts with a long story, but I still tried, just in case he wasn't an asshat

[@mcgilcol]

I would have said bootlicking apologist of Empire, but hey, tomayto, tomahto ...

[@Withnail1969]

I wasnt familiar with him until recently but strongly dislike him now

[@Melior_Traiano]

@@Withnail1969 Really? I think he's brilliant.

[@Withnail1969]

@@Melior_Traiano He's telling you what you want to hear, that's why.

[@КлимТаин]

"Ukrain is bargain. They do the fighting. They do the dying"- Nial Ferguson

[@moonlitsky5744]

Harvard and Stanford don’t mean much after this

[@Moliere1000]

Still not as low as Princeton. Hard to believe.

[@andreistan5497]

What about Berkeley ?

[@patrickparamore1058]

They stopped meaning much a long time ago...

[@Moliere1000]

@@andreistan5497 😂

[@canteluna]

You didn't come here to listen and learn, you came here to troll. Anyone who takes Mearsheimer seriously knows less than nothing and mere Putin propagandists. If the West listened to Putin's mouthpiece Mearsheimer, the Baltics and much of eastern Europe would be Russian satellites.

[@alkasolent]

Utter nonsense. The man lacks depth.

[@888YangJi]

this guy is such a snake oil salesman, he would practically say anything at the command of his employer. I weep for humanity if he is considered to be one of the greatest historians of our time.😔

[@Gregory-kv8vj]

Yes, and his unqualified reliance on the NYT and WaPo illustrates his lack of independent thought.

[@canteluna]

You didn't come here to listen and learn, you came here to troll. Anyone who takes Mearsheimer seriously knows less than nothing and is a mere Putin propagandists. If the West listened to Putin's mouthpiece, Mearsheimer, the Baltics and much of eastern Europe would be Russian satellites. People like you are dangerously stupid.

[@naviax7731]

Niall Ferguson presents a poor case. He has done the CIS in Australia a great disservice. Bring back Professor Mearsheimer next year.

[@canteluna]

You didn't come here to listen and learn, you came here to troll. Anyone who takes Mearsheimer seriously knows less than nothing and is a mere Putin propagandists. If the West listened to Putin's mouthpiece, Mearsheimer, the Baltics and much of eastern Europe would be Russian satellites. People like you are dangerously stupid.

[@tnndll4294]

FERGUSON predicted Putin would invade in 2022, while Mearshimer said he would not.

[@tnndll4294]

In 2008, Ferguson also predicted Putin's first invasion and he even named the place: Crimea. (see his Scottish Herald interview).

[@AplusStrategy]

The crowd on this channel clearly are immune to facts and reason. Ferguson is in their mind a neocon wherefore everything he says must be both wrong and immoral...

[@canteluna]

OMG one comment actually on the side of Ferguson. And this isn't the only thing Mearsheimer gets wrong. He might as well work for Putin (if he doesn't already).

[@neildutoit5177]

Didn't actually know who this guy was. Didn't read the comments. Just started listening to what I thought was going to be a serious alternative take to Mearsheimer. Wow that was so cringe.

[@canteluna]

You didn't come here to listen and learn, you came here to troll. Anyone who takes Mearsheimer seriously knows less than nothing and is a mere Putin propagandists. If the West listened to Putin's mouthpiece, Mearsheimer, the Baltics and much of eastern Europe would be Russian satellites. People like you are dangerously stupid.

[@typon1]

Niall Ferguson is just a weak intellect. I am sorry but he's just not bright enough to be giving talks on geopolitics.

[@blackcatdungeonmastersfami5311]

The problem isn't his intellect, it's his integrity. He's sold his soul to the neocons.

[@canteluna]

Really, genius? Let's hear you critique his theses. Debate me. You're a know-nothing troll, a Putin propagandist.

[@SergioNavasDigital]

I really wanted to see a refutation, but when he says the US is "protecting the security of democracies in Eastern Europe and the Middle East" I can't just follow it any more...

[@sebastianzeitblom4668]

Why? Because you can't stand the truth? What do you think would happen to the Baltic states, for example, if there was no US security guarantee?

[@MrAbracab]

@@sebastianzeitblom4668 It's a very common argument when one tries to justify irrational securitization: "Imagine what 'A' would do if we don't do 'B'. You are safe now only because of what we did". The real answer is that no one really knows - this kind of arguments are speculative in nature and obviously not 'truth'.

[@Gregory-kv8vj]

@@sebastianzeitblom4668 The Baltic States would be a lot more prosperous. Kissinger's words of wisdom: "It is dangerous to be an enemy of the USA. It is fatal to be a friend." Germany's economy may be fatally affected by its lapdog submission to the country which has occupied it since 1945.

[@arash8761]

​@@sebastianzeitblom4668 Iran is the only democracy in the Middle East.

[@luismariagomezdearanda5319]

​@@sebastianzeitblom4668Nothing. It is the advance of the US military towards Russia that imperils the Baltic countries. The security of Cuba or Mexico would also be compromised, and much more so, if Russia or China would pretend to put their armed forces there. This is no theory. It is a fact and a well established fact. Kennedy threatened openly with nuclear war if Cuba and the URSS did the same thong that the US is trying to do in Ukraine since 2008. Mearsheimer explained long ago that including the Ukraine in the American military system would not increase the security of the country, but bring a catastrophe for it. It is simply preposterous to deny that this has been the case.

[@w.a.victorlipien6348]

Hi Niaĺl, For you is like religion. Your persistent denial that NATO expansion is the primely reason for the war is like putting your head in the sand but I do understand this. Is like trying to convert Protestant to Catholicism or vice versa. Totally frutile..

[@nachnamevorhanden3335]

nah nobody cared when the polish people decided that they dont want to be annexed by russia anymore. Nobody complained with the czech people, with the east germans, with the slovaks and the hungarians. Even the baltica were all free to join EU and NATO. Free nations made free decisions, but with ukraine it is different? why? The US have a direct borderr with russia. How come this never was a problem?

[@JonWilde2105]

@@nachnamevorhanden3335It was always a problem for Russia. Everyone in NATO understood NATO expansion was extremely provocative, but they knew Russia was too weak between 1997 and 2008. Now Russia has recovered its strength, and the US has stupidly tied its prestige to the defence of countries whose foreign policy is best summarised as “ start a war with Russia”

[@canteluna]

You didn't come here to listen and learn, you came here to troll. Anyone who takes Mearsheimer seriously knows less than nothing and is a mere Putin propagandists. If the West listened to Putin's mouthpiece, Mearsheimer, the Baltics and much of eastern Europe would be Russian satellites. People like you are dangerously stupid.

[@FredricoLalo]

I just turned the sound down and read the comments...much more educational.

[@canteluna]

Yes, the response of the low IQ. Why are you here other than to troll?

[@thewestofpecos9096]

This guy is trying so hard to sound cool and exciting...what a horrible mouthpiece for the western's condescending propaganda 🤮

[@canteluna]

You didn't come here to listen and learn, you came here to troll. Anyone who takes Mearsheimer seriously knows less than nothing and is a mere Putin propagandists. If the West listened to Putin's mouthpiece, Mearsheimer, the Baltics and much of eastern Europe would be Russian satellites. People like you are dangerously stupid.

[@darrellbryant1018]

I'm glad I read the comments before watching the whole video. 7 mins in, I'm out. ✌️

[@maq6144]

I made 11 mins 40 seconds

[@canteluna]

You didn't come here to listen and learn, you came here to base your opinion on the Mearsheimer morons. Anyone who takes Mearsheimer seriously knows less than nothing and is a mere Putin propagandists. If the West listened to Putin's mouthpiece, Mearsheimer, the Baltics and much of eastern Europe would be Russian satellites. People like you are dangerously stupid.

[@Vicky-Blue]

I came to see John. What a waste of my time.

[@BiggusDiggusable]

Didn't you read the title?

[@vova47]

The same.....😖

[@vova47]

@@BiggusDiggusable Did you? Rebuttal doesn't mean that the person making the first argument isn't present.

[@canteluna]

Exactly. You Mearsheimer trolls follow him around like the cult leader he is and are incapable of actually learning about the world from a real thinker.

[@thomasfarrow7053]

*He cites Bill Burns on China, but neglects to mention back in 2008 as Ambassador to Russia in a letter [made public by Wikileaks] warned the Bush/Cheney admin that Russia would view further eastward NATO expansion, especially the Ukraine, as a potential military threat.*

[@andrejboskovic4867]

Rally? How comes Russia has no problem wit Finland and Sweden being a NATO members?

[@scottbuchanan9426]

@@andrejboskovic4867 I don't think it's true that Russia has no problem with Finland and Sweden being in NATO. More likely, Moscow recognises that it can't do much about it, having miscalculated in relation to the consequences of its invasion of Ukraine. We should also consider the psychological significance of Ukraine within the Russian political elite. It's a neuralgic issue for people across the political spectrum in Russia ("from knuckle-draggers in the dark recesses of the Kremlin, to Putin's sharpest liberal critics", as then-Ambassador Burns stated in his memo to the Bush Administration in 2008). Nothing comparable exists with regard to Finland and Sweden.

[@andrejboskovic4867]

@@scottbuchanan9426 I totally agree with you .One can only conclude that Russia started a war against Ukraine because of a fix idea that Ukraine somehow belongs to them and that is not really a country at all, not to mention sovereignty .From all the Russian actions perpetuated over the years against Ukraine it is clear that only hope for Ukrainians was on time become a NATO member.

[@canteluna]

So? Your point is that US foreign policy needs to cower to what Russia thinks? I see you have learned well from your idiot master Mearsheimer.

[@WhoIsWhatIDK]

This was awful. I was hoping to hear something that might challenge my thoughts and instead I got this….

[@canteluna]

You didn't come here to listen and learn, you came here to troll. Anyone who takes Mearsheimer seriously knows less than nothing and is a mere Putin propagandists. If the West listened to Putin's mouthpiece, Mearsheimer, the Baltics and much of eastern Europe would be Russian satellites. People like you are dangerously stupid.

[@street_struggle7]

How can you still talk about what happened to Israel and not what Israel has done over the past 20 years? This is a clear mental inaccuracy. It weakens the entire speech. Great speaker but the ideas are just weak and cherry picked

[@canteluna]

What a hilariously STUPID comment. What do you think Hamas has been doing for the last 18 years with all the money donated to them to make something of Gaza? They used it to create infrastructure - tunnels, bunkers, purchasing weapons, training soldiers, etc., to attack Israel. Meanwhile many Gazans live in squalor. Idiots like you want to try to bring up Israel's actions in the last 20 years? People like you are dangerously stupid.

[@thomasfarrow7053]

*China is the largest trading partner of 140 countries [there is only 193 on the planet] - and cannot afford, nor will tolerate a blockade in the South China Sea by the West. The U.S. has some 750 military bases world-wide, and over 40 within a stone's throw of the Chinese homeland. As China out produces the U.S. manufacturing by a factor of 4 - U.S. hegemony will be challenged - just as America overcame British hegemony before it. China's history is at least 2200 years old, it is in no rush - that's an illusion created by Western politicians.*

[@TheHerrUlf]

They have no oil, moron

[@stirlingmoss9637]

There ARE only x number of partners....get the grammar right at least

[@stirlingmoss9637]

The USA is a Cuckoo on the world stage which is a place it has never understood or had no interest in understanding. The USA was envious of the functioning British Empire and undermined it even as it negotiated with its colonies for independence. The world has been at war ever since. The USA is noones friend.

[@dejanjovanovic5802]

@@stirlingmoss9637 Shallow response from a shallow person... alas, the original comment is absolutely true.

[@roryg94]

@@dejanjovanovic5802 totally agree. the original point was excellent. only for people who nitpick becaue they don't like the truth

[@sunhoushi1]

Mearsheimer, like Chomsky and Sachs, have compelling ideas that justify the term public Intellectuals. Ferguson lacks so may of their qualities that after (reluctantly) sitting through this presentation to the end, I was left feeling that my time had been wasted. Resistance beats acceptance? I don't think so. And what a - as a fellow scot - pompous, self-satisfied, self-indulgence reading of his script, that was!

[@colinmacdonald5732]

Chomsky? Are you serious?

[@canteluna]

Mearsheimer is fodder for the peacenik morons at Democracy Now. Ferguson is a serious scholar who's put forward a position that can't through the dense shit in your ears. That is your fault, not his.

[@GlobalDrifter1000]

This chap is an embarrassment to the USA

[@garymcnutt]

Embarrassment to Glasgow as well.

[@eduardogasparian8233]

A sold out

[@KarelNovak-z6z]

He is British

[@GlobalDrifter1000]

@ he is an embarrassment to mankind

[@canteluna]

You didn't come here to listen and learn, you came here to troll. Anyone who takes Mearsheimer seriously knows less than nothing and is a mere Putin propagandists. If the West listened to Putin's mouthpiece, Mearsheimer, the Baltics and much of eastern Europe would be Russian satellites. People like you are dangerously stupid. Speaking of embarrassments to the US. I will gladly buy you a one-way ticket to a country you can appreciate, such as Russian. Tell Mearsheimer my offer is good for him, too.

[@786Plotinus]

Isnt there anyone better than him to respond?????

[@denisveladzic1241]

Like many others in comments, I was looking for argumentative counter theses to Mearsheimer. But ...The self-liking presenter provides no solid arguments, falls far short of the level of clarity, argumentation, and factual support typically found in Mearsheimer's work. The only thing it possesses, which Mearsheimer does not, is arrogance.

[@canteluna]

You didn't come here to listen and learn, you came here to troll. Anyone who takes Mearsheimer seriously knows less than nothing and is a mere Putin propagandists. If the West listened to Putin's mouthpiece, Mearsheimer, the Baltics and much of eastern Europe would be Russian satellites. People like you are dangerously stupid.

[@786Plotinus]

CIS- invite Mearsheimer on to respond to Ferguson.

[@Northrnsnow]

Mearsheimer is a Russian hack. Bought and paid for. Not one thought based on fact

[@bad209]

no point - theres nothing to respond to. nial is a nobody. his been been a nobody for years. thats what happens when your a fake intellectual - your views dont stand up through the test of time. you go through a moment of obscruity and then vanish into nothing.

[@peterhumphrys]

Nope, get them both on together, that is what I was expected to hear actually going by the thumbnail caption. Actually I think that they did debate each other elsewhere perhaps in Toronto, can't remember offhand. but almost always best to have people debate each other directly.

[@canteluna]

Yes, I'd love to listen Mearsheimer attempt to defend his idiotic position against a real historian and geopolitical expert.

[@bad209]

@canteluna you thought you did something. Go back to your echo chamber. We're only interested in intellectual rigour here. Go back to x it's more your crowd.

[@Riddlestar93]

I think it's time to retire mate, you've entertained us enough.

[@canteluna]

Same to you. You can't even bother with a single critical point.

[@jonlittle5032]

Labeling Vietnam and Iraq as 'quagmires' trivializes the strategic intent and consequences of those 'quagmires'.

[@canteluna]

Hey, dipshit, this was not a lecture on Vietnam or Iraq, you're trolling. But that is all you're capable of.

[@dashong8912]

He's a stupid fella. His solution for the poor is that they need more banks offering credit cards.

[@hamidhamidi3134]

Him mimicking others is actually quite childish, which doesn't substitute for serious thinking at all.

[@jk5042]

Mr. Ferguson is not in the same premier league as Mr. Mearsheimer

[@canteluna]

Exactly. Mearsheimer is a clown, a Putin propagandist. Ferguson knows what he's talking about.

[@najibsameh]

His arguments are overly simplistic, rooted in a Western-privileged perspective, and fail to consider multiple viewpoints. In contrast, Mearsheimer offers a more nuanced and objective analysis.

[@canteluna]

Hahahahahahaha. Congratulations, your comment may be the dumbest of all the idiot comments I've read here from the Mearsheimer cult.

[@anthonieversluis5895]

Just imagine the nightmare of having this narcissist as your dinner guest..

[@canteluna]

How about you put your money where your ignorant mouth is and quote where Niall sounds like a "narcissist"? You can't. You're an ignorant Putin troll.

[@999reader]

“Every American newspaper is an appendage of the Democratic Party. “ The Wall Street Journal, the Washington Examiner, the New York post, etc. etc. Why does such a learned man talk nonsense? For me, this is a classic example of motivated reasoning. In layman’s terms, perhaps it could just be called prejudice or bias.

[@Gregory-kv8vj]

The listed newspapers fit that description. It is quite ironic that he quotes from them to make his case in other contexts. It is noteworthy that many Democrats view these organs as sympathetic to the Republicans, against all the evidence to the contrary.

[@999reader]

Would love to see Gregory’s evidence, but it doesn’t exist!

[@tomnowak2997]

I can't follow whatever point the speaker is trying to make here - I tapped out 28 minutes in.

[@canteluna]

Low IQ. This is a common issue among Mearsheimer fans.

[@mohsinrao4334]

Niall Ferguson used to be a competent financial historian. Now he is just a hack.

[@canteluna]

And yu were once probably a cute baby, but that was long ago, now you're just another idiotic Putin troll. You didn't come here to listen and learn, you came here to troll. Anyone who takes Mearsheimer seriously knows less than nothing and is a mere Putin propagandists. If the West listened to Putin's mouthpiece, Mearsheimer, the Baltics and much of eastern Europe would be Russian satellites. People like you are dangerously stupid.

[@BeepBoopBleepBlorp]

24 minutes in and I’m like “this sounds like thomas friedmann word salad. What am I missing?” Comments section validated my suspicion.

[@canteluna]

You didn't come here to listen and learn, you came here to troll. Anyone who takes Mearsheimer seriously knows less than nothing and is a mere Putin propagandists. If the West listened to Putin's mouthpiece, Mearsheimer, the Baltics and much of eastern Europe would be Russian satellites. People like you are dangerously stupid.

[@canadianmarauder1923]

I’m just a dumb mechanic and crane operator but I don’t believe mearsheimer’s theory either. Western values in general are Putin’s kryptonite and nato is simply part of that. Putin will feel threatened whether some of the former eastern bloc countries dabble with democracy or attempt to join nato. Putin likes to use the nato argument because it shifts blame to something else other than him. 1st time I listened to mearsheimer I thought how much is Russia paying him to say this?

[@voiceofreason6515]

Exactly sir. You're wise.

[@sheeftz]

There's a minor problem in your world view. Nobody undermined the Western values more than West and NATO countires themselves. If you comprehend this simple truth, and then listen to Mearsheimer again, suddenly you would think "Russia should pay him for this".

[@maq6144]

I believe John. His arguments make sense to me. And I'm just an old retired IT man. I don't buy the line from this Fergusun Guy. Anyway, it would take too many hours to argue this stuff out, so thats all I have to say. Cheers.

[@clintbird1294]

Good balanced opinion, theres always a need to cut away the biased perspective to get at the salient points of both their opinions. ( I was however disappointed in Nialls delivery which I found juvenile and jingoistic, seemingly condescending to his audience)

[@seanmellows1348]

Yeah I’m just a tile setter with an interest in history and geopolitics, but I agree with you. Had to scroll down a good way to find a similar assessment.

[@marquardtfrickert3939]

Such a warmongerer... I like John Mearsheimer much better, he talks more boring, but he seems to be rational. Niall: if someone tries to talk emotionally, it's because his arguments aren't as good and he tries to sell something.

[@canteluna]

You didn't come here to listen and learn, you came here to troll. Anyone who takes Mearsheimer seriously knows less than nothing and is a mere Putin propagandists. If the West listened to Putin's mouthpiece, Mearsheimer, the Baltics and much of eastern Europe would be Russian satellites. People like you are dangerously stupid. Go back to Democracy Now and listen to what you want to hear.

[@INDIGOBLUE555]

My guess is that Russian Federation China and Iran do just share the same temporary interest which means fighting back the US dominance.That's why,as for my understanding,they try to team up.

[@lieshtmeiser5542]

By temporary you mean: as long it takes, as long as the dictators are in charge...eh? When does the marriage of convenience end?

[@INDIGOBLUE555]

@@lieshtmeiser5542 Exactly.

[@INDIGOBLUE555]

​@@lieshtmeiser5542Well my vantage point is that three first class players are there on the current scenario and I assume that the stronger one (US) will be trying to team up with the weaker of its two competitors.In full fairness I can't figure out which one between Russian Fed. and China will be the strategic partner of the US albeit my bet would be on Russian Fed.Later on I'll be able to articulate my thought (working time now🙄)...Ok moving on now :in essence the US assumingly would like both Russia and China to get rid of their imperial dreams M,but at the same time,american strategists want both of them to survive mutually patrolling each other so that there won't be a dominant power rising on the Asian continent.After that I assume China is presently rated as more dangerous because of its geographical position.Instead Russian Fed. still today is dearly paying its historical issue: no direct access to the "warm seas". A few further points are there of course but in essence,China growing military, its geographical position and its enormous human resources are,in my view,a true pain in the ass for the US.

[@skydragon23101979]

@@lieshtmeiser5542When American dominance is no longer an issue. Russia or Iran may then team up with America against the dominant nation then.

[@lieshtmeiser5542]

@@skydragon23101979 "Russia or Iran may then team up with America against the dominant nation then." I think if you look at the world today, the US strategy has been to be broadly allied to all the countries that dont like the 'axis of evil' countries. This isnt perfect, but it works ok. I think its a case of 'know thine enemy'. Even in the case of helping the USSR in WW2, I think if the West was truly aware of how horrific Stalin was, they probably wouldnt have supported the Soviets. Indeed in retrospect, all that aid helped the Soviets have the prestige of victory over the Nazis, and allowed Stalin into so much of Europe causing nothing but problems. We are still dealing with that legacy today.

[@miabrandt1926]

"wes Brot ich ess, des Lied ich sing" ... "whose bread I eat, whose song I sing"

[@pmays4]

Ferguson-Mearsheimer debate would be very similar to the Piers Morgan-Mearsheimer interviews.

[@canteluna]

Wrong, troll. Anyone who takes Mearsheimer seriously knows less than nothing and is a mere Putin propagandists. If the West listened to Putin's mouthpiece, Mearsheimer, the Baltics and much of eastern Europe would be Russian satellites. People like you are dangerously stupid.

[@markfrancis5164]

Niall is fucking hilarious while being on point. Professional to a tee.

[@kobathedread9649]

As if Ukraine is a democracy- funny stuff.

[@grandadmiralthrawn6998]

Russian bot.

[@canteluna]

Moron. You haven't a clue what you're talking about. Are you just ignorant on the subject or are you a Putin troll?

[@steinadleradler3431]

Who needs enemies when you have speakers like Niall. Morally bankrupt and totally senseless

[@canteluna]

You didn't come here to listen and learn, you came here to troll. Anyone who takes Mearsheimer seriously knows less than nothing and is a mere Putin propagandists. If the West listened to Putin's mouthpiece, Mearsheimer, the Baltics and much of eastern Europe would be Russian satellites. People like you are dangerously stupid.

[@zahidali-mt9ck]

No wonder Ayaan Hirsi Ali had such existential crisis and contemplated ending it all... imagine being married to that

[@canteluna]

I think you have your facts about their marriage confused. But listening to Mearsheimer long enough would confuse anyone.

[@MarkSyropoulo]

Ferguson lives in the Anglosphere. Unlike Mearsheimer they don't know the ground is shifting beneath them. Mearsheimer is in another league.

[@canteluna]

Oooh. Nice platitudes. But if you could actually critique Ferguson I'm sure you would.

[@michaelmertens813]

Silly mouthpiece.

[@canteluna]

At least he's not a Putin propagandist like Measheimer, moron.

[@RadioTiberio]

It's depressing how much purchase Mearsheimer's crappy ideas have in the discourse.

[@KarelNovak-z6z]

He should be refuted in less arrogant way then. I can't stand upper class Brits and their style.

[@canteluna]

Mearsheimer is dangerously ignorant. Putin would be controlling all the Baltic states and much of eastern Europe if the West listened to him.

[@tb8865]

Surprisingly low-IQ rebuttal to Mearsheimer. Niall's "I'm not a Neocon but I'm going to say Neocon things" schtick is also very annoying.

[@canteluna]

Hahahaha. Ok, genius. let's hear an actual high IQ ANALysis of Fergusson's points, not just ignorant platitudes.

[@elmuchachoborracho]

Ferguson is one of the most important establishment-approved historians.

[@thomasfarrow7053]

Emphasis on "Establishment".

[@bluikkso]

More like a mouthpiece, just missing the big shoes, face paint and a red nose.

[@johnl5316]

excellent

[@allanwilson8878]

The problem is that NF still lives in a world that everyone else can see doesn't exist, the world of the neocon imagination

[@canteluna]

And you apparently live in a world where ignorant platitudes have replaced real scholarship.

[@allanwilson8878]

@canteluna You don't know me so you might well think that, but I'd still stand by my claim. But of course you are right that this can't all be explained in a KZbin comment.

[@joevidrine]

Ferguson = Bantam weight Mearsheimer = Heavay weight

[@erikrivasrosenthal8317]

Ferguson = thoughtful Mearsheimer = rabid anti-American

[@canteluna]

For someone who can't even spell "heavy", you're out on a limb. But I guarantee if you stop listening to Mearsheimer, your former IQ of 89 will return and you can spell words like "heavy" again.

[@andrewganesan7617]

Wow. I'm really surprised to see Ferguson perform so poorly. Zero substance here.

[@canteluna]

Really? Let's hear your brilliant analysis of Ferguson's positions, then.

[@andrewganesan7617]

@canteluna 🤣😂

[@canteluna]

@@andrewganesan7617 That all you got for me? Come on genius, give me your critique of Ferguson's position. I need a good laugh.

[@3dEmil]

I have no reason to like or dislike sides of ongoing conflicts or different political views and curiously listen to all sides and views. I watched this video and after that KZbin continued with playing for me a video with John Mearsheimer stating his views. After watching both I found Niall Ferguson a lot less convincing than John Mearsheimer explanations of the world affairs. Basically Niall Ferguson call for actions is based on his vision that the world is comprised from good and bad guys and the good should defeat the bad on the world stage. John Mearsheimer's view do not consider the world as forces of good and bad but see the world as dominated by superpowers who fight for survival by competing or fighting with each other.

[@canteluna]

You don't get it. If the West listened to clowns like Mearsheimer, Russia would have reconstituted much of the USSR by now under Putin's control.

[@1Rene9Night5cart0]

Mearsheimer is one of those professors I am very happy to have never had a chance to take a class from.

[@michaelpetzold849]

When does deterrence become perceived as aggression or equivalent to it? When USA had nukes pointed at Russia from Turkey, Kruschev perceived it as aggression, and as an act of deterrence placed nukes in Cuba. To which Kennedy perceived it as aggression, not deterrence, which put us on the brink of WWIII. Deterrence is in the eyes of the beholder and it has to work both ways.

[@phoenix3495]

Once upon a time I respected Niall Ferguson. Mostly for his historical perspectives rather than for his forward looking policy making skills.

[@davidmills2535]

I can't believe I listened to his drivel. He cites CIA head William Burns as someone he respects enormously but forgets the "Nyet Means Nyet" memo, what a schmuck.

[@darreneriksen]

This talk is a good example of what happens to your brain after decades of neoliberal cocktail parties.

[@canteluna]

You didn't come here to listen and learn, you came here to troll. Anyone who takes Mearsheimer seriously knows less than nothing and is a mere Putin propagandists. If the West listened to Putin's mouthpiece, Mearsheimer, the Baltics and much of eastern Europe would be Russian satellites. People like you are dangerously stupid.

[@haraldgundersen7303]

John Mearsheimer - 10 versus Niall Ferguson - 0

[@xdude57]

This is a clown 🤡 like at a kids birthday party- he acts up because he is hired. Embarrassing.

[@canteluna]

You didn't come here to listen and learn, you came here to troll. Anyone who takes Mearsheimer seriously knows less than nothing and is a mere Putin propagandists. If the West listened to Putin's mouthpiece, Mearsheimer, the Baltics and much of eastern Europe would be Russian satellites. People like you are dangerously stupid.

[@bulentcinar4289]

Rebuttal of Mearsheimer is a little far fetched. Just delivered certain banal talking points. He just loves the sound of his own voice.

[@canteluna]

And your comment was - beyond wanting to hear the sound of your own voice in the comment section - for what purpose? Certainly rebutted nothing.

[@denako2395]

His arrogance is mind blowing. This is not an intellectual discourse. I was expecting far far better. I wasted my time

[@canteluna]

Let's hear your mind-blowing criticism of Ferguson, genius. I could use a good laugh.

[@venkataramannagarajan4631]

My criticism of Prof Mearsheimer's views about the U S pivoting towards the Far East is that why he thinks it is necessary at all for the U S to pivot towards East Asia and concern itself with the relationship between mainland China and Taiwan. The learned professor does not apply the same rationale he applies to the U S role in provoking the Russia- Ukraine war which he considers as totally unwarranted and is even against the US's strategic interests. One cannot help sensing a racial, bordering on, racist bias in such contradictory positions espoused by the professor. Is it beause Russia is, despite its geography, still an European country while China is not? In effect, is the professor calling on the white race to unite and assert its hegemonic superiority over the yellow race? It has been recognized and affirmed by the U N including the U S that there is only one China. The conflict between the mainland China and Taiwan is purely an internal conflict and no other country has any right to interere in it. It is no different from a scenario in which Texas or Hawaii may attempt to secede from the U S and become an independent country. Mainland China and Taiwan must be left to sort out the problem between themseleves without any other country, including the U S, butting in. Otherwise, there is every chance of a Third World War between nuclear powers being precipitated!

[@Abcde-u3r]

You are on point about Taiwan issue, yet I think the legality of the conflict is not what Prof Mearsheimer concerns. US is the only regional hegemon on earth, and aspired to be a global hegemon since the end of Cold War. Reunification with Taiwan will be an iconic step for China to be a regional hegemon in east Asia, which contradict the definition of US's global hegemon. Basically US has two options, go home and find happiness of being regional hegemon in America continent or try everything to prevent China becoming a regional hegemon. I think only second option is a viable despite left wing or right wing is in charge.

[@heem6619]

No it's because China is a peer competitor, and Russia isn't. This is clearly stated in Mearsheimer's arguments. This is the same reason why the US fought Nazi Germany, the German empire, and the USSR. All European.

[@bad209]

he did actually go through this point you make in another interview. with unheard where he does get asked about his difference in views on ukraine/russia vs taiwan/china kzbin.info/www/bejne/pXTJqnSKqpaDopI&ab_channel=UnHerd

[@ivanludinic983]

Did Kamala Harris write this speach? An incoherent word salad.

[@canteluna]

Sorry, you need to have at least an IQ of at least 85 or it will sound like word salad. Apparently, you're too dumb to read the disclaimer.

[@salmivec]

Niall fails to address Israel’s alleged war crimes and the findings of the world’s highest court, which declared Israel’s occupation of Palestinian land illegal, confirmed its operation of an apartheid system, and the plausibility of a genocide. As usual, Niall omits key facts to support his worldview, one rooted in the dominance of the Western military-industrial complex rather than in peaceful methods like trade, tariffs, business, and investment. His ideas will hasten Western decline and do little to foster a balanced global order. He has been a mouthpiece for war mongers for years - the less attention he gets the better for everyone quite frankly.

[@canteluna]

What a bunch of bullshit propaganda. Neither the US nor Israel are signatories of the absurd ICC. Keep repeating Hamas talking points. Apartheid? Hahahahaha. Do you know how many Palestinians live in Israel, moron? How many are employed in its institutions? No of course, you don't because you're a know-nothing moron who listens to pro Hamas propaganda. He didn't omit "key facts" to support his worldview, stupid, Niall's worldview is rooted in the supremacy of Western Civilization and he put forward arguments for that position. Sorry you found lacking the finer points made by Hamas and Putin in Niall's arguments, but that is your error of expectation. War monger? Hamas spent the last 18 years since they were elected to GOVERN Gaza NOT governing Gaza but preparing to wage war and terrorism against Israel, you self-righteous, know-nothing MORON. And prove or at least give a coherent argument why "His ideas will hasten Western decline and do little to foster a balanced global order". You can't because you have no clue what you're talking about.

[@janjangz]

Not only Zelenskyy shouldn't have given up his day time job as a comedian, but also never to have dabble in politics. similarly Niall shouldn't give up his day time job as an economist, but also never to babble anything politic, especially geopolitic.

[@canteluna]

You shouldn't give up your day job as a comedian either. I'd advise not commenting on geopolitics until you have something halfway intelligent to share.

[@slavenaljinovic1162]

What a shameful warmonger. What are the criterias for someone like this can be a profesor at Harward

[@retrocool]

Harvard: " a hedge fund masquerading as a university"

[@Gamla123]

Brilliant! I see from the comments that most ppl didn't get it. They should watch again. He makes his points very well.

[@pryazhnikov]

It is difficult to listen to this - he said she said bs

[@canteluna]

You didn't come here to listen and learn, you came here to troll. Anyone who takes Mearsheimer seriously knows less than nothing and is a mere Putin propagandists. If the West listened to Putin's mouthpiece, Mearsheimer, the Baltics and much of eastern Europe would be Russian satellites. People like you are dangerously stupid.

[@xxRefPxx]

Couldn't watch past the Kissinger impression. Painful 😬