John Mearsheimer | The liberal international order

The so-called rules-based international order is under serious threat. But it is a mistake to blame Donald Trump. In fact, that order was bound to fail, because the key policies on which it rested are deeply flawed.
Contrary to the policy consensus in Washington, Brussels and Canberra, democracy is not an export commodity. Since the collapse of Soviet Communism, liberal excesses have provoked a powerful nationalist backlash. Moreover, the “unipolar moment” that defined U.S. grand strategy in the post-Cold War era is over.
In the emerging multipolar world, there will be a realist order to manage the global economy, and Chinese-led and U.S.-led bounded orders that will help the two great powers to prosecute their security competition.
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John Mearsheimer is professor of political science at the University of Chicago and author of The Great Delusion: Liberal Dreams and International Realities(Yale University Press, 2019).
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[@joeymurdazalotmore6355]

This is aged brilliantly

[@Barmall75]

Unnique!!

[@IzabelParis]

I can’t get enough of Mearsheimer !

[@julienjeanmuller]

Me neither

[@chrisnamaste3572]

Russian cool aide.

[@AruanDrako]

@@chrisnamaste3572 average liberal order fan

[@neilbohrs5990]

He is leading us to our demise. He wants to keep China poor? He said this in a public lecture that is being viewed by the world? How can the world respect us if this is the message we send? Playing a zero-sum game and keeping the rest of the world poor will not solve our problems. Blaming China for our problems is childish, dangerous and wrong. There are many factors leading to our decline. The biggest factor is that we are not socialist enough. Automation, A.I., robotics etc. have destroyed many jobs. This drives down wages until it becomes slave wages. This greatly benefits those who control the means of production but screws everyone else. We need to raise taxes on the wealthy. The richest 400 billionaire families in the US paid an average federal individual tax rate of just 8.2 percent. Other country have much higher tax rates and are much happier: Ivory Coast - 60%, Finland - 56.95%, Japan - 55.97%, Denmark - 55.90%, Austria - 55.00%, Sweden - 52.90% and so on. Skyrocketing corporate salaries and bonuses are keeping people poor. Trade with China has been very profitable for the U.S. but the poor never saw a penny from it. Investment firms have turned housing unaffordable leading to crimes and homelessness. The entire health industry is looking to make as much profit as they can. Cities make rules whose sole purpose is to profit off people. Democracy has unfortunately proven to have many flaws. It can easily be bought. It seems designed to get almost nothing done. This is not critical if your country is wealthy, but it has failed many poor countries. All the tiger economies of Asia got their successes during the period when they had a good dictator. When you are poor, you can't afford to be inefficient. Other flaws of democracy includes: the few can take the many hostage(NRA and Christian fundamentalists). It is schizophrenic, with short-term planning that only has profit in mind and not people's well-being being. It is not meritocracy based and stupid people get a say. Stupid people who voted to ignore global warming and voted against socialists policies. Stupid people who elected an unqualified, bombastic politician whose greatest talent is finger-pointing. Multi-party system that has inevitably led to a highly polarized society. Lax drug laws that led to addictions, crimes, and deaths. Endless foreign bases and wars that drain our coffers and turn war mongers into billionaires. Frustrated population with easy access to guns who take their frustrations out on in predictably horrible ways. Echo-chamber free speech that incite hatred and violence to oppositions and scapegoats. Way too many guns on the street making the police trigger-happy. In conclusion, the U.S. has way too many problems that have nothing to do with China. At worst they just hasten our decline a little. Unless we solve these issues, our decline will become inevitable. We need to do some very serious self-reflecting and change our failed policies instead trying to drag other countries down with us. We do not need to play his zero-sum game. There are more than enough resources to go around. We do not need to keep others poor! Food production is 20 times more productive than before. Clean energy has become extremely affordable. The future should seem brighter. So why has it not? It is because we are not spreading the wealth. We should look to the Scandinavian countries who are socialist and democratic. We also need to realize that democracy is a luxury that only the wealthy, powerful and secure can afford. The U.S needs to stop trying to keep its unipolar hegemony and stop trying to spread democracy that is keeping poorer countries poor.

[@TeeTee-zm2re]

​@@chrisnamaste3572keep sipping in the neo con juice

[@yaniraorellana4756]

The lady asking about agenda 2030 nailed it.

[@Maximilian-Robespierre]

She is a clown. this anticommunst hysteria.

[@DEadSpaCE211]

Yeah John's a bit too old I think for that question. You look at California and the red carpet they through out for Xi and see that some loony lefties and Democrats are in Cahoots , also just look at Canada. There is alot of corruption and Chinese money spilling into the west. Its the long game with them , they'd prefer it that way and not war which is what the west specialises in.

[@sarahjones79]

he put her down 😰 what about billionaires and the UN?

[@netsai61]

I'm really surprised that when he said if Australia sides with China 🇨🇳 instead of USA 🇺🇸 ,US will point guns at them they laughed

[@LM-ph3cq]

Mearsheimer sounds like a real weirdo when he brags and threatens that the US will treat Australia like a Central American nation - US actions in the western hemisphere have been appalling - nothing to brag about - has he lost his mind

[@punyashloka4946]

@@LM-ph3cq no offense but america is obsessed with creating unnecessary wars which they could have easily avoided.

[@ninav7083]

@@LM-ph3cq He's not bragging, just stating a fact. Stating a fact is not an endorsement.

[@mohameddiallo400]

pretty much embrace proverty.

[@andrewlim7751]

Facts: If the Aussies don't side with China, the Chinese don't give a damn but not siding with u.s. are fatal. Who is the real democracy now?? 😁😁

[@nihar5818]

Sir John, you remind me that days I ve passed. I ve been listening news since 1970 on VOA & then BBC. Your lectures bring that days. I am at 64. Many Thanks.

[@martinlopez4430]

Mearsheimer is right on the money! Professor Mearsheimer offers insight, objectivity and fairness in his lectures. Thank you Prof, Mearsheimer.

[@neilbohrs5990]

He wants to keep China poor? He said this in a public lecture that is being viewed by the world? How can the world ever respect us if this is the message we send? Playing a zero-sum game and keeping the rest of the world poor will not solve our problems. Blaming China for our problems is childish, dangerous and wrong. There are many factors leading to our decline. The biggest factor is that we are not socialist enough. Automation, A.I., robotics etc. have destroyed many jobs. This drives down wages until it becomes slave wages. This greatly benefits those who control the means of production but screws everyone else. We need to raise taxes on the wealthy. The richest 400 billionaire families in the US paid an average federal individual tax rate of just 8.2 percent. Other country have much higher tax rates and are much happier: Ivory Coast - 60%, Finland - 56.95%, Japan - 55.97%, Denmark - 55.90%, Austria - 55.00%, Sweden - 52.90% and so on. Skyrocketing corporate salaries and bonuses are keeping people poor. Trade with China has been very profitable for the U.S. but the poor never saw a penny from it. Investment firms have turned housing unaffordable leading to crimes and homelessness. The entire health industry is looking to make as much profit as they can. Cities make rules whose sole purpose is to profit off people. Democracy has unfortunately proven to have many flaws. It can easily be bought. It seems designed to get almost nothing done. This is not critical if your country is wealthy, but it has failed many poor countries. All the tiger economies of Asia got their successes during the period when they had a good dictator. When you are poor, you can't afford to be inefficient. Other flaws of democracy includes: the few can take the many hostage(NRA and Christian fundamentalists). It is schizophrenic, with short-term planning that only has profit in mind and not people's well-being being. It is not meritocracy based and stupid people get a say. Stupid people who voted to ignore global warming and voted against socialists policies. Stupid people who elected an unqualified, bombastic politician whose greatest talent is finger-pointing. Multi-party system that has inevitably led to a highly polarized society. Lax drug laws that led to addictions, crimes, and deaths. Endless foreign bases and wars that drain our coffers and turn war mongers into billionaires. Frustrated population with easy access to guns who take their frustrations out on in predictably horrible ways. Echo-chamber free speech that incite hatred and violence to oppositions and scapegoats. Way too many guns on the street making the police trigger-happy. In conclusion, the U.S. has way too many problems that have nothing to do with China. At worst they just hasten our decline a little. Unless we solve these issues, our decline will become inevitable. We need to do some very serious self-reflecting and change our failed policies instead trying to drag other countries down with us. We do not need to play his zero-sum game. There are more than enough resources to go around. We do not need to keep others poor! Food production is 20 times more productive than before. Clean energy has become extremely affordable. The future should seem brighter. So why has it not? It is because we are not spreading the wealth. We should look to the Scandinavian countries who are socialist and democratic. We also need to realize that democracy is a luxury that only the wealthy, powerful and secure can afford. The U.S needs to stop trying to keep its unipolar hegemony and stop trying to spread democracy that is keeping poorer countries poor.

[@paddygoes3746]

I´ve listened to a lot of Mearsheimer´s talks on the Ukraine proxy war against Russia, and have appreciated them, but this one was a surprise. He illustrates everything that is wrong with the American view of the world. They need to learn to get on with people, and cut out the paranoia and parasitism. Since WWII they´ve caused havoc and poverty all over the globe. I´d rather take my chances with a multi-polar world, thank you very much. Hats off to Russia for leading the way. Some feisty and realist Aussies in the room, mind. Well done Australia.

[@magnaviator]

The biggest fallacy in Mearsheimer's argument is that there is not one, but two declining hegemonic powers. Russia, and the United States. His recommendation of Australia to ally itself with the US presupposes that the US will 1) be able to contain China and 2) maintain it's hegemonic position despite a plethora of domestic issues. So what happens when after tie-ing itself to America's coattails, Australia is dragged down by a declining USA and at the same time, earns the animosity of a gigantic China that is not only much closer to Australia, but just based on demographics, is going to be 3 or 4 times larger than the US, and this discounting any alliance with Russia. It's crazy to recommend that Australia, acting in it's own self interest, should therefore commit suicide by aligning itself with the US and becoming the US's proxy in East Asia. Mearsheimer is right, it is about prosperity and security, but it is far from clear that going with a demented US hegemon will improve either.

[@Joekd6.1]

China can't rival American hitech innovation and entrepreneurialism

[@AnneliedeWet]

@@Joekd6.1 you are so funny

[@AnneliedeWet]

Well said

[@bhadreshsolanki5505]

👍 👌 well said. Australia needs to think about itself, else just look at Europe today and that will be Australia in the future.

[@ineshvaladolenc6559]

​@@Joekd6.1 You're living in 2010. We're now in the year of 2023.

[@800_k_7]

Prof. John Mearsheimer in describing some of our world turmoil event in recent time, bring him very close to Nostradamus in describing what may happen in Ukraine. I have had good Prof. In politics, economic and others during my lifetime, but honestly speaking, no one comes close to Mr. John Mearsheimer. May God bless Prof. Thank you so much..

[@spadeysay6846]

John Mearsheimer is a white supremacist and a racist. His partisan view of the Ukraine vs Russia, in relation to the national security of Russia, is diametrically opposed to that of the national security of China vs USA and its allies.

[@jons4418]

You’re right, because professor Mearsheimer is an inflexible fool, who believes in an ideology way past its sell by date. International law is much stronger than it was in the 19th century or even the early 20th century.

[@aquious953]

“Australia has become much more prosperous over the last 20yrs”? Maybe, if your not in the working class.

[@pjhoody]

in the context of IR, he means the state and only the state

[@aqerke5682]

I adore this Person. I have read most of his works and found a great informations about IR. John Mearsheimer is an remarkable genious and Im so happy that we live in the same time.

[@JW-ue1xg]

We need to listen to realists like Mearsheimer.

[@lohisnormalguy9355]

We need to understand geopolitical reality so that we can judge global scenario wisely. Edit: I born in early 90s when liberal international order kicked off after the collapse of Soviet Union.

[@tonyspalovsky2905]

Very comprehensive and valuable lecture,thank you.

[@oinamthoujal8196]

He is literally saying Australian should be poor under the US military supervision.

[@Io-Io-Io]

6:03 Actually no. I always resented how Russia was treated eversince the wall came down and I resented how the USA acted towards the rest of the world, arrogantly claiming they won the Cold War - which they didn't, another Soviet President than the most honorable Gorbachev would never have let the Soviet Union dismantle itself- implementing their way of life everywhere in the western world without asking anyone for their opinion and I thoroughly resented the laments of the Western leaders roling over like chubby dogs waiting to get patted by their master... I genuinely disliked that very much. I hated that unipolarity and I'm actually very glad a multipolarity is in place now. I like negotiation and hate tyranny. Western arrogance and ignorance towards Russia has brought us the ukranian war.

[@cabellones]

his point was exactly that, the west expansion to the east even in protest is what led the russians to this point..

[@Chris-dj5hy]

This is kind of silly. The USSR was stagnating and just treading water by the 1970s. It couldn't go on the way it did. Gorbachev was just a symptom, not the boogeyman

[@igory3789]

@@Chris-dj5hy I disagree with you, I was born in USSR and remember “perestroika” times very well. There were too much talks about reforms by Gorbachev, but in reality the reforms were way too slow to make people believe that something changes. The problem of Gorbachev is that he did a lot on foreign relations and political reforms, but failed badly with internal economical reforms, that is why majority distrusted him. So, basically, he killed USSR himself without even realising it. And up to his death he never admitted that. If Gorbachev would move with the economical reforms as fast as with other reforms, USSR would still remain, it would be another China economically, but more democratic politically. Situation when people receive a lot of political freedoms, but are seriously beaten economically usually leads to countries chaos and break up. Libya is another good example.

[@balozhende5727]

Mearshiemer loves Russia and ao he knocks China. We should be wary of China but Russia is downright dangerous. He is very prejudiced and supports Russia over China. He always made fun of Ukraine's independence. He is just another guy on Putin's payroll.

[@arash8761]

Gorbachev is hated by most Russians.

[@teguhriadi9904]

Brilliant lecture. Bring me a new view on the world order. East Asia is the new battlefield, and Indonesia should be ready for this :))

[@davidemmet7343]

Very refreshing to hear from someone in academia who is still rational.

[@Ac-ly8tx]

While the lady asked the climate change question, the camera panned the room to show the uncomfortable shifting in seats by all The ideologues! Hilarious

[@everthcruz2950]

Excellent Work By Professor Mearsheimer.... Remarkably Rational And Visionary....!!!!

[@susanamalnati9712]

Great lecture! Thank you for this privilege to listen to this lecture.

[@neilbohrs5990]

Terrible lecture. He will lead us to our demise.He wants to keep China poor? He said this in a public lecture that is being viewed by the world? How can the world respect us if this is the message we send? Playing a zero-sum game and keeping the rest of the world poor will not solve our problems. Blaming China for our problems is childish, dangerous and wrong. There are many factors leading to our decline. The biggest factor is that we are not socialist enough. Automation, A.I., robotics etc. have destroyed many jobs. This drives down wages until it becomes slave wages. This greatly benefits those who control the means of production but screws everyone else. We need to raise taxes on the wealthy. The richest 400 billionaire families in the US paid an average federal individual tax rate of just 8.2 percent. Other country have much higher tax rates and are much happier: Ivory Coast - 60%, Finland - 56.95%, Japan - 55.97%, Denmark - 55.90%, Austria - 55.00%, Sweden - 52.90% and so on. Skyrocketing corporate salaries and bonuses are keeping people poor. Trade with China has been very profitable for the U.S. but the poor never saw a penny from it. Investment firms have turned housing unaffordable leading to crimes and homelessness. The entire health industry is looking to make as much profit as they can. Cities make rules whose sole purpose is to profit off people. Democracy has unfortunately proven to have many flaws. It can easily be bought. It seems designed to get almost nothing done. This is not critical if your country is wealthy, but it has failed many poor countries. All the tiger economies of Asia got their successes during the period when they had a good dictator. When you are poor, you can't afford to be inefficient. Other flaws of democracy includes: the few can take the many hostage(NRA and Christian fundamentalists). It is schizophrenic, with short-term planning that only has profit in mind and not people's well-being being. It is not meritocracy based and stupid people get a say. Stupid people who voted to ignore global warming and voted against socialists policies. Stupid people who elected an unqualified, bombastic politician whose greatest talent is finger-pointing. Multi-party system that has inevitably led to a highly polarized society. Lax drug laws that led to addictions, crimes, and deaths. Endless foreign bases and wars that drain our coffers and turn war mongers into billionaires. Frustrated population with easy access to guns who take their frustrations out on in predictably horrible ways. Echo-chamber free speech that incite hatred and violence to oppositions and scapegoats. Way too many guns on the street making the police trigger-happy. In conclusion, the U.S. has way too many problems that have nothing to do with China. At worst they just hasten our decline a little. Unless we solve these issues, our decline will become inevitable. We need to do some very serious self-reflecting and change our failed policies instead trying to drag other countries down with us. We do not need to play his zero-sum game. There are more than enough resources to go around. We do not need to keep others poor! That will only turn other countries against us. Food production is 20 times more productive than before. Clean energy has become extremely affordable. The future should seem brighter. So why has it not? It is because we are not spreading the wealth. We should look to the Scandinavian countries who are socialist and democratic. We also need to realize that democracy is a luxury that only the wealthy, powerful and secure can afford. The U.S needs to stop trying to keep its unipolar hegemony and stop trying to spread democracy that is keeping poorer countries poor.

[@bobsingh7949]

John is one of those folks who genuinely wants to share mega-useful understanding / knowledge.

[@magnaviator]

3rd point, if the US's liberal international order is doomed to failure, why then is Australia aligning itself with this neo imperial order.

[@Zamo14]

Those countries have no real sovereignty...they are just vassals of the USA!!those societies that are known as the West have been carefully engineered to accept this liberal vision and order as the norm...just like many of the political leaders are trained, picked and chosed to act accordingly since a very young age!!Any dissident country, voices, political leaders or parties will be demonized, silenced and crushed!!

[@carlosacta8726]

Prof. John Mearsheimer American Hero!!!!!

[@ElwoodAndersonNV]

A great presentation with one flaw! At 45 minutes into this presentation, the flaw in Mearsheimer's realism was exposed. Success in the multipolar world will require that countries demand to remain independent and not aligned with a major power. If they don't we will simply be where we were in the cold war, just with a different player, China instead of the USSR. And, there will soon be another war of sorts to decide the winner. You can see where having to choose between one bully or another leads, from what is happening in the US. The powers that be have decided that you must be a Democrat or a Republican or you will have no influence on your government. So what do we have, a bickering uni-party that fast becomes a war party that convinces us to choose one side or the other in the world order? This allows no room for personal identity and national identity, just more conflict at all levels. Most of the world rejects this premise. Mearsheimer is wrong when he says India is in the America camp. They are doing their utmost to remain independent, as is Australia and most countries in other continents. Even Russia would be independent if the US wasn't driving them into the arms of China. A new mindset is needed in the future, one of cooperation, respect, and negotiation that allows countries their own identity, dignity, and the right to select their government of choice. That is what will create a better and more lasting future with less conflict.

[@kwstassikatos2364]

Music to my ears this lecture.

[@jackliew7993]

I can not believe this speech was 3 years ago. He is a prophet.

[@ThatsMrPencilneck2U]

This is just common sense. In the mid-1930's, my grandfather said that scrap iron we were selling Japan would come back to us in the form of shrapnel. My mother was saying much the same about China in the 1980's. 40 years have gone by, and Washington still hasn't caught on to the fact that China doesn't have our best interest in mine.

[@henrylicious]

Exactly. Western stripped out their own manufacturing centers only to enrich and enable China.

[@ineshvaladolenc6559]

Neither does America about China. China is all about the prosperity of the Chinese people. America is all about its oligarchic elite.

[@andrewb8548]

The fact that the late 90's are referred to as "the late 90's peace scare" leads me to believe that the pentagon hates being the unipolar.

[@ahsanali-js9fh]

Really remarkable lecture. It makes me understand many things and also clear up my doubts too

[@neilbohrs5990]

Terrible lecture. He will lead us to our demise.He wants to keep China poor? He said this in a public lecture that is being viewed by the world? How can the world respect us if this is the message we send? Playing a zero-sum game and keeping the rest of the world poor will not solve our problems. Blaming China for our problems is childish, dangerous and wrong. There are many factors leading to our decline. The biggest factor is that we are not socialist enough. Automation, A.I., robotics etc. have destroyed many jobs. This drives down wages until it becomes slave wages. This greatly benefits those who control the means of production but screws everyone else. We need to raise taxes on the wealthy. The richest 400 billionaire families in the US paid an average federal individual tax rate of just 8.2 percent. Other country have much higher tax rates and are much happier: Ivory Coast - 60%, Finland - 56.95%, Japan - 55.97%, Denmark - 55.90%, Austria - 55.00%, Sweden - 52.90% and so on. Skyrocketing corporate salaries and bonuses are keeping people poor. Trade with China has been very profitable for the U.S. but the poor never saw a penny from it. Investment firms have turned housing unaffordable leading to crimes and homelessness. The entire health industry is looking to make as much profit as they can. Cities make rules whose sole purpose is to profit off people. Democracy has unfortunately proven to have many flaws. It can easily be bought. It seems designed to get almost nothing done. This is not critical if your country is wealthy, but it has failed many poor countries. All the tiger economies of Asia got their successes during the period when they had a good dictator. When you are poor, you can't afford to be inefficient. Other flaws of democracy includes: the few can take the many hostage(NRA and Christian fundamentalists). It is schizophrenic, with short-term planning that only has profit in mind and not people's well-being being. It is not meritocracy based and stupid people get a say. Stupid people who voted to ignore global warming and voted against socialists policies. Stupid people who elected an unqualified, bombastic politician whose greatest talent is finger-pointing. Multi-party system that has inevitably led to a highly polarized society. Lax drug laws that led to addictions, crimes, and deaths. Endless foreign bases and wars that drain our coffers and turn war mongers into billionaires. Frustrated population with easy access to guns who take their frustrations out on in predictably horrible ways. Echo-chamber free speech that incite hatred and violence to oppositions and scapegoats. Way too many guns on the street making the police trigger-happy. In conclusion, the U.S. has way too many problems that have nothing to do with China. At worst they just hasten our decline a little. Unless we solve these issues, our decline will become inevitable. We need to do some very serious self-reflecting and change our failed policies instead trying to drag other countries down with us. We do not need to play his zero-sum game. There are more than enough resources to go around. We do not need to keep others poor! That will only turn other countries against us. Food production is 20 times more productive than before. Clean energy has become extremely affordable. The future should seem brighter. So why has it not? It is because we are not spreading the wealth. We should look to the Scandinavian countries who are socialist and democratic. We also need to realize that democracy is a luxury that only the wealthy, powerful and secure can afford. The U.S needs to stop trying to keep its unipolar hegemony and stop trying to spread democracy that is keeping poorer countries poor.

[@dellachiesa8035]

I think the West should stop depending on the US to be the one championing liberal democracy, it's time for other Western countries to take the lead.I believe America has done it's part.

[@malamati007]

I agree. It's time for Canada to step up, along with Belgium.

[@dex216sims]

No other state has the geopolitical heft that is required to even attempt to engage in that kind of enterprise. If the EU undergoes further integration and turns into a bona fide state, it could attempt that. It would need a significant military buildup though

[@Skanadra]

@@dex216sims I hoped for that, European Russian integration

[@stefamos5188]

America, is noted in the Bible as one of the world powers that will work alongside the Roman church to bring a one world order into existence, it’s been prophesied thousands of years ago. Only a fool would say there’s no God?

[@ninav7083]

Did it ever occur to you that some countries DON'T WANT liberal democracy? What do you do then?

[@Arimaquinador]

Watching this now and really impressed with the foresight displayed on this presentation.

[@sun4nicolya]

Exactly

[@josephtraficanti689]

The rise of China has a couple corollary that should be noted. The divisions of the American Workers was perhaps due to the shipments of 10's of THOUSANDS OF MANUFACTURING PLANTS TO CHINA. IT IS SAFE BET THAT A SCARCITY OF MANUFACTURING JOBS WAS "NOTICED" BY THE AMERICAN LABOR FORCE. AND THE AMERICAN MANUFACTURING BASE WAS THEREBY HOLLOWED OUT ONE MIGHT SAFELY SAY. WHAT WOULD BE THE EFFECT OF YOUNG MEN TAKING ON TENS OF THOUSANDS OF COLLEGE DEBT FOR ENGINEERING JOBS THAT ARE NOT THERE ANYMORE? Might one argue that white men that wanted to get high pay for engineering were a bit upset and went over to the Donald Trump Insurgency Party? And with the reduced income due to flipping burgers in fast food this put a slump in the national debt, not to mention the housing market? We are still not out of this F******* Dislocation in our lives.

[@Anne2u]

We must be independent thinkers.

[@view1st]

Two points I'd like to raise. First, when he talks about democracy he's really using the capitalist-corporatist definition of democracy: the imposition of western European, American-led corporate governance on the rest of the world and certainly not about any kind of democracy that would empower the global South by allowing them to exercise meaningful control over their own resources. In this version - so called liberal democracy - electorates have no, or virtually no, effective say in how things are done and exist only to ritually approve whatever has already been agreed upon by those with real power, the owners of concentrated private wealth. Secondly, there is no mention of America's unpayable trillion dollar plus debt problem and the ponzi scheme that is fractional reserve banking using a fiat currency, the United States petrodollar, nor any mention of the banking scam known as the Federal Reserve. When, as many predict, the US dollar loses its reserve currency status and the country in effect becomes bankrupt and suffers hyperinflation, what of all this talk of a world order bounded by the United States of America on one side and of a Chinese (or a Sino-Russian) bound world order on the other; how does America intend to pay for all this when its currency has become worthless and having no consumer-driven manufacturing base to fall back on (having outsourced it and become a services-based economy)?

[@h365h]

John Roberts well said

[@yttean98]

Two good points: Point 1 it's already here, whereas the 2nd pt. may well come true one day.

[@forcedanonymity1791]

Hence the break with Chinese tariffs and the flowing back of manufacturers.

[@KLM738XO]

Gold reserves. The USA has the largest gold reserves in the world at 8000 + tonnes. I believe that the Federal Reserve will be retired, and the US and other countries will go back to gold backed currencies. In that case, Australia will be well placed as the second largest gold producer with the highest individual reserves. www.forbes.com/sites/greatspeculations/2018/07/05/top-10-countries-with-largest-gold-reserves/#19b362153349

[@DJRYGAR1]

it is simple - for US democracy is simply a cheap method of control of subordinate countries. It is much easier to control 2 main parties in each country (effectively just top echelons of those parties) and flow of information in main media outlets than keeping everyone under the gun.

[@Dan-sc9lq]

I may not always agree with him but I can always follow his train of thought and understand what he says

[@philipchambers4165]

Immigration was an issue in the Brexit referendum vote in the UK but it was not a major one. The first issue was economics; the second was sovereignty and the third was political elitism. Immigration was a worry but not inter-European immigration. There's been extensive research done on this and it's quite clear. The main worry was immigration from the middle east and Africa and that was more to do with religion than anything else.

[@lynlee6861]

Abd living in terror, and being race washed

[@Dijahtal_Arts_Not_Digital_Arts]

B

[@Wicker_]

Sheer delusion. When polled it came out on top if not near the top constantly. No, it isn't based on religion, not for the most part. All political issues are bound up in it, economics, crime, sovereignty, all of these are hampered by immigration.

[@nahumhabte6210]

Listening to this in 2023 makes me amazing

[@hydrazine19]

Very insightful. Thank you so much for sharing!

[@stephensuddick1896]

"I could go on and on", and unfortunately he did. The world has always been bi-polar. And it has always failed to take it's medication. Good luck humanity.

[@DavidMorley123]

Videographer: Here's a hint. Look at the live audience and watch where they are looking. Normally, this will be on the slides that the presenter is addressing. Only very ccasionally the audience will glance at the lecturer. Please consider us, your viewers, to be like the live audience. Mostly, we should be looking at the slides, and rarely glancing at the person. Otherwise, thanks for a very good presentation. The audio was excellent.

[@christophmahler]

I stretched my neck several times towards the edge of the screen where I expected the slide to show up any moment - while the lecturer was pointing to it. On the other hand, You must admit that Mearsheimer, grining mischieviously and jumping from one side of the podium to the other like 'Rumpelstiltskin' is a sight to behold...

[@normamimosa5991]

Of course, he made the mistake of presenting boring slides that send people to sleep. There should be minimum writing on slides. Just a few points and pictures, with full attention on the speaker.

[@boss390]

He’s telling you what the thesis is, the slides are talking points. Listen to the human!

[@DavidMorley123]

@@boss390 Yes, *listen* to the speaker, but you'll mainly look at the slides. Just watch a live audience some day. Especially when slides have graphs etc, the speaker will be addressing the graphs. If not, the slides are just a distraction.

[@DavidMorley123]

@@christophmahler Sure, if you're interested in the speaker's personality and appearance more than his thesis, then watch him more than his slides.

[@helenmalinowski4482]

I love Mearsheimer. Can we have him back? .. or someone of his ilk?

[@halvardwidere8084]

A remarkable scholar!! He explains the pervasive effects of the liberal international order really well. He uses clear, concise language and irrefutable facts. He has a clear theoretical foundation. (Also, for all conspiracy theorists, he uses zero conspiracy theories - which means that conspiracy theories are not true and he's smart enough to know that :) ) Thank you, professor Mearsheimer!!!

[@vg8y3j70]

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[@neilbohrs5990]

Terrible lecture. He will lead us to our demise. He wants to keep China poor? He said this in a public lecture that is being viewed by the world? How can the world respect us if this is the message we send? Playing a zero-sum game and keeping the rest of the world poor will not solve our problems. Blaming China for our problems is childish, dangerous and wrong. There are many factors leading to our decline. The biggest factor is that we are not socialist enough. Automation, A.I., robotics etc. have destroyed many jobs. This drives down wages until it becomes slave wages. This greatly benefits those who control the means of production but screws everyone else. We need to raise taxes on the wealthy. The richest 400 billionaire families in the US paid an average federal individual tax rate of just 8.2 percent. Other country have much higher tax rates and are much happier: Ivory Coast - 60%, Finland - 56.95%, Japan - 55.97%, Denmark - 55.90%, Austria - 55.00%, Sweden - 52.90% and so on. Skyrocketing corporate salaries and bonuses are keeping people poor. Trade with China has been very profitable for the U.S. but the poor never saw a penny from it. Investment firms have turned housing unaffordable leading to crimes and homelessness. The entire health industry is looking to make as much profit as they can. Cities make rules whose sole purpose is to profit off people. Democracy has unfortunately proven to have many flaws. It can easily be bought. It seems designed to get almost nothing done. This is not critical if your country is wealthy, but it has failed many poor countries. All the tiger economies of Asia got their successes during the period when they had a good dictator. When you are poor, you can't afford to be inefficient. Other flaws of democracy includes: the few can take the many hostage(NRA and Christian fundamentalists). It is schizophrenic, with short-term planning that only has profit in mind and not people's well-being being. It is not meritocracy based and stupid people get a say. Stupid people who voted to ignore global warming and voted against socialists policies. Stupid people who elected an unqualified, bombastic politician whose greatest talent is finger-pointing. Multi-party system that has inevitably led to a highly polarized society. Lax drug laws that led to addictions, crimes, and deaths. Endless foreign bases and wars that drain our coffers and turn war mongers into billionaires. Frustrated population with easy access to guns who take their frustrations out on in predictably horrible ways. Echo-chamber free speech that incite hatred and violence to oppositions and scapegoats. Way too many guns on the street making the police trigger-happy. In conclusion, the U.S. has way too many problems that have nothing to do with China. At worst they just hasten our decline a little. Unless we solve these issues, our decline will become inevitable. We need to do some very serious self-reflecting and change our failed policies instead trying to drag other countries down with us. We do not need to play his zero-sum game. There are more than enough resources to go around. We do not need to keep others poor! That will only turn other countries against us. Food production is 20 times more productive than before. Clean energy has become extremely affordable. The future should seem brighter. So why has it not? It is because we are not spreading the wealth. We should look to the Scandinavian countries who are socialist and democratic. We also need to realize that democracy is a luxury that only the wealthy, powerful and secure can afford. The U.S needs to stop trying to keep its unipolar hegemony and stop trying to spread democracy that is keeping poorer countries poor.

[@illuminated2438]

Sounds like you've found your God! And, fun fact, countless conspiracy theories are true. Time and time again, it's one of history's most consistent facts. Thus you blind yourself to the truth, and worship authority and distrust what is plainly obvious.

[@anaignatowicz2779]

what a smart man. Treasure

[@artvandelay7236]

"liberal international order" means Western hegemony.

[@normamimosa5991]

Ouch! Your thinking is completely upside down. The progressive, globalist liberals of today are not classical liberals. They are contra Western hegemony and are behind one of the largest ethnic cleansing movements taking place today.

[@azimkhankhanazim6294]

It's a privilege to listen to all of Prof JM talks and the dialogues to the IR issues whether you have a pro or cons of his ideas and thoughts its ok. But it's relevance to be taken and put it on the table is very much a must to discuss.He would be a great statesman in any administration and that's what missing in the US policy decisions. The realpolitik in government.

[@AJYahye]

I like this man , because, his finger points 👉 the most 😈 action doing countries, USA EU 70% RUSSIA 🇷🇺 AND AND CHINA 🇨🇳 30%

[@troyamonga0005]

I love when the hosts realize people are there to listen to the speaker and dont give 20 minute fucking speeches.

[@the1ghost764]

Very True.

[@spadeysay6846]

Rules based liberal international order!! What an inspiring and glorious invention! But the problem and, in my view, a still born concept because its promoters never really bought into its proclaimed purpose or objective. Especially when it comes to promoting and implementing it to countries which they view should be in desperate need for it. Instead they did the opposite after they bombed, invaded, murdered and overthrew the existing government and systems. The rules based liberal international order has been oversold as an excuse and a red herring to expand the real underlying needs of the capitalistic countries to steal and loot the resources of those countries they have targeted.

[@jt7725]

It is ruler-based order.

[@bradford_shaun_murray]

Black or white "diplomacy" at 37:34 ... That's the thing I don't like about the USA, they always do that heavy thing of "YOU'RE EITHER WITH US OR YOU'RE AGAINST US!". If not we'll take you out because you must be with the other guy now, with no room for Australian negotiations with other nations when things get difficult for US foreign policy, and regardless of what kind of positive relationship Australia has had with them in the past going back to WWII. I don't like communism or fascism, but threats from "friends" (especially "gorillas" as he calls the USA) sounds weird, especially when you hear it actually said inside your own country from an American. I get that being overtaken by a Chinese military/political power on Australian soil in effect becoming a new southern China province would be the end of Australia as we knew it. Basically it would suck big time. I can't speak Chinese, I don't like Chinese food, don't like Chinese made cars, they do make good underwear at an affordable price though, but we don't need a take over to still have those things. I think that's why Australia chooses the USA when it comes to security, the better known of the three gorillas on the globe, but economically we like China just as much.

[@philipangelo595]

I couldn't agree with you more. The Rules Based Order is based on a Neoliberal economic order which in reality allows corporations and investors to dominate the economy of other nations and plunders their resources and exploits their labor force. The democracy becomes a shame as the powerful dominate the governments. It's been going on in the USA since the Reagan Revolution which destroyed the concept of the government being a countervailing power to the power the power of Wall Street and Corporate America. Billy Clinton got the Democratic party to buy into Neoliberal economic beliefs and our workforce has been crushed and we workers have no political party looking our for our interest.

[@philipangelo595]

@@bradford_shaun_murray Yes, my country, the USA, wants "our friends" to become vassal states and follow our lead with no consideration for "our friends " own national interests. Our leaders have become so arrogant that they act as though our country is God's gift to the world. Our media has become simply a propaganda arm of our leaders as average Americans are getting smacked around also.

[@spadeysay6846]

@@philipangelo595 That is why the United States of America is badly in need of another revolution. The present order isn't going to cut it.

[@k54dhKJFGiht]

I've never heard anyone describe this better!

[@lesliesepssy9222]

To finish off my comment's below, I am a Transylvanian Székely Magyar, a Nobel race even today, and that, I am most proud off!

[@larryphhihds4415]

I'm so happy to have found this video. I was looking for a way to express the thoughts that I have been having, for the last 6-8 years. As I started to see the way things were unfolding in Americaand through America. Thoughts I was trying to put together the things I was seeing, into a cohesive thought. And now I see that I am a neo realist. Lol. i see the world through what I see as being the only reality that can be. To not force a square peg into a round hole. Side note, we, the USA, has squandered away, a real opportunity to have done good for ourselves and the world.

[@ahmadhassan1483]

Professor loves his job 😂

[@jameswhitfield1375]

A teacher in every respect. Thank you, John.

[@philosophicallyspeaking6463]

And 3 years later the reality is that John was correct; except that he underestimated Russia's (Putin's) resolve and determination to have Russia participate in the future through global significance, and what steps he was willing to take (despite declaring them clearly) to rebuild their brand to once again become something more than the 'worlds gas station' by re-capturing their footprint and population. As a side note, it is significant that this man still feels the need to prostrate himself on the stage of world opinion by distancing himself from association with Trump 'the man' (though not so too his policies), even as he declares that we are advancing irreversibly towards the world that Trump's politics would have 'peacefully' ushered in anyway, only without the obligated and manifest death and destruction. John also misjudged that the obligated political armistice proposed by supposed clear-headed thinking and global economics would not be so astutely recognized or accepted as he thinks, and is therefore too not so imminent. Liberal democracy worldwide is diseased (not at ease) and undermined by affliction with the cleverness of the autoimmune disorders of Cultural Marxism and the Critical Theory. Risk of contracting those debilitating conditions, and the difficulty of recovering from them, is what Russia and China rightfully fear, not liberal-democracy, which itself admits, but very importantly does not obligate post-modernist auto-immune disorder. Having once admitted it, it hides, dormant. You must then fail in healthful diet of reason or risk 'inviting' dormant post-modernist ideology to grow and divide. Once fostered by failure to understand the costs and obligations of Cultural Marxism, it becomes impossible to get 'rooted' Critical Theory ideology out of your communities, your cities, your institutions, your culture and your country by any prescriptive or 'permissible' means, leaving only those drastic and invasive surgical methods (armed conflict) which, in a peace-loving, reasonable world, are rightly held to be impermissible. Witness the Ukraine! Like it or not, this leads you back to the global pursuit of Trumpian-mechanics, and global 'elected' 'nationalism' and rationalism both, instead of the slow obligation of a newly manufactured global stasis that, come to it too little, if not however too late, and only after the fact, is violently imposed on us by delay and collapse of global politics and economics in pursuit of self preservation. This is the promise of the kind of bilateral or multilateral peaceful economic coexistence that John predicts is in our future.

[@joesargent481]

The biggest problem I see in the world besides the fact that they don't try to sit down at the negotiating table is the fact that if one country get strong economically or militarily and does not pose any threat to the world another country wants to start a war change culture and then you wonder why we are at war I don't know if you believe in God but we're in the last chapter of the Bible and whether you believe in God or not this is all going to come to an end because God will not let this happen watch longer he warned us two thousand years ago nothing good coming true in our life time God bless from the USA right and wrong you cannot change people's culture and lifestyle it's not right God bless

[@pluijm2]

This is so true, John Mearsheimer is right. This is exactly what has been happening.

[@nikosantikythera2422]

Not in terms of Russia, he’s not.

[@ahmedabdiisse7512]

This is great professor

[@user-vq7vq1rs5v]

i have found john an apt intellectual on international affairs, insightful, daring to challenge the conventional wisdom of America's neocons. He is easily understandable and delivering in a very simple way; he is good in unraveling the guardian's knot.i'm following his insightful and thought provoking lectures while preparing for my competitive examinations.

[@sun4nicolya]

He is the most powerful thinker in the United States, maybe in the world.

[@jackbarnhill9354]

Talk begins at 4:20

[@arbitrarysequence]

Coincidence?

[@TheTobs50]

Listening to this lecture of three years ago makes one chuckle. Sure Prof M is regretting his dismissal of Russia as merely a big gas station addicted to the petro-dollar! On the contrary, Russia has become the real as well as ideological hub for the most dramatic changes currently happening in the world. The US provoked the Ukrainian conflict in the arrogant belief that Russia will crumble into a little Siberian corner, and tried to beat them down with the biggest economic sanctions in history. But Russia turned the tables and the entire Europe is reeling on the brink of the worst recession since 1945, the petrodollar and the SWIFT system is being neutralised and replaced, the Middle East is slipping beyond US control and most of Asia, Africa, Central and South America, as well as in due time most of Eastern Europe are turning towards the multipolar world, and against US/Ziocon unipolarity. Most likely NATO won't survive this amd the UN will crumble and eventually be reconstituted and moved to Asia, with a much diminished voice allowed for the West.

[@richardaurre4840]

The Empire is kaput!

[@TheRebbesUkulele]

A very formidable lecture with fascinating readings of history and politics. However, I will point out that the lecture contained a fair amount of speculation, opining and "lensing." His point-of-view is a possible interpretation of events as they unfolded and will unfold, but it is not necessarily THE interpretation that in fact played out and will play out. I was born and raised in the USA and lived in China for many years. Since then I have lived in the Middle East. Merely living in places can only really inform one anecdotally and "zeitgeistfully"---so I must expand and say that I also studied in depth the political ideologies and current events of the era superpowers. What is happening now is actually not so clear, despite the black and white presentation of this lecture.

[@joshntn37111]

What a respectful guy. Wish everyone does lectures like these.

[@Lukas-kv7nq]

Great speach

[@whitfieldwu1564]

Very good!

[@abdulaiyakubu7942]

Their dependence on the PetroDollar is getting weak

[@barumbadum]

Thanks for this great lecture... I would have loved to see more young people (students) in the audience. This realist thinker must serve and be inspiration for new generations of theorists of IR.

[@laluna5548]

I am 22 and watching

[@octaviomarquez2777]

THANKS VERY GOOD INFORMATION

[@JohnMinehan-lx9ts]

Here is the issue: economics trumps "Nationalism" every time. If you break big players' "rice bowls" you lose every time . . . .

[@Ac-ly8tx]

“We’ve had our back broken on the rack of climate policy” INDEED!!

[@MrTjp420]

you are absolutely right!

[@helenmalinowski4482]

Nuclear deterrent? Australia is nearly there. 2024

[@itachiuchia6588]

Recorded in 2019 makes more sense even in real tume *2023*...

[@beezeyreezey6522]

I was completely absorbed by this talk! Shaking my head at the woman who went on a rant(as much as i sympathize to a certain extent) but I otherwise enjoyed every single moment. Great speaker, great topic, and it seemed to be presented as neutrally as possible.

[@arjalanarayan]

Yes

[@jaypeters5224]

"India is with America" Oooooof

[@ednorton47]

Is a global superpower affected by its bankruptcy?

[@maxamiroff685]

He simply called Russia a gas station, an interesting character

[@sassone5106]

But does this so called it for international order ever existed when Countries were burning to ground? Your global order dragged billions of people in the world down to the hell.

[@andrewnelson3725]

This isn't the first time I've listened to John in such agreement, just to be surprised that its years old !

[@neilbohrs5990]

He wants to keep China poor? He said this in a public lecture that is being viewed by the world? How can the world ever respect us if this is the message we send? Playing a zero-sum game and keeping the rest of the world poor will not solve our problems. Blaming China for our problems is childish, dangerous and wrong.

[@maxstone6117]

@@neilbohrs5990 He cares about the American Hegemony and only that. Is keeping China poor more sinister than bomb weddings in Iraq and steal oil in Syria, and propping up banana republics? Who is going to say "well that's wrong"? Remember if things goes his way and kept China poor, there won't be a China to rival America economically, which turns into funding Russia.

[@JohnMinehan-lx9ts]

Democracy might be the only workable system, but there are many ways to organize a democracy. Markets work (they are perhaps the only thing that can) but the role of the state can (and does) vary in successful systems..

[@farzanarazvi8763]

With all due respect..Spreading Democracy, or going after the resources in all the countries that have been decimated by the US?

[@jamesnike7127]

i bet those girls at front don't understand a thing 😅

[@alexriverson2419]

I love Prof. Mearsheimer. This man is a true intellectual. I feel like I'm a realist whenever I listen to him. This was a very informative lecture and I love the energy and smile of the prof.

[@politmediter]

Wow! What an excellent analysis!

[@nettagoldng]

Note the date.

[@Ac-ly8tx]

Cosa Nostradamus called it!!!

[@spencergoh5077]

In 2023, looking back on what John had said, his hypothesis is right

[@hansjohanoei5627]

If you talk to older 60st generation Mearshheimer is right, but This generation is over..

[@JohnMinehan-lx9ts]

Dr. Mearsheimer **everything** contains the seeds of its own destruction . . . .

[@pippomaneful]

"That ain't happening" damn it's so hard to find a more based and prophetic than Mearsheimer

[@DemonetisedZone]

When i was watching this i assumed this was made a few months ago. John has been on the money with his stuff for years and USAs saber rattling over Taiwan shows how almost prophetic he when it comes to power politics

[@JohnMinehan-lx9ts]

I suspect that a world dominated by the PRC would be a "bounded international order" (even if it were the dominate country) because they prefer bilateral relationships, rather than institutions . . . .

[@Hassan_Rajput_PAS]

What is International Order 3:18 Order Order is a cluster of instructions where rulebased order or rules are embedded in instructions Great powers create and manage international order. 4:08 International Order - include all of the world great powers. Bounded Order - 4:42 What is a Liberal International Order? 5:30 Dominant state is liberal democracy 5:12 Goals of ILO Spread LiberalDemocracy Around the World5:39 6:02 Open International Economy 6:16 6:32 Integrate States Into More and More Institutions- Go from GATT to WHO.

[@Hassan_Rajput_PAS]

7:24 When Do Liberal International Orders Appear 7:29 Number of GP in the System 7:41 Political Ideology of the Dominant State That’s why we got liberal international order post cold war as the US was the sole pole. Before 1945 - the order was multipolar Cold War - Bounded Order Post Cold War - Liberal International Order

[@shepherdsknoll8]

Interesting definition of world order but I would say the definition is that of the speakers and not universal.

[@lynlee6861]

I think hes spot on, and i have just recently heard another speaker saying the same thing

[@spadeysay6846]

You pointed out something that either everyone has been ignorant of, dismissed as irrelevant or deliberately ignore it as it would render their argument untenable. It is mostly hubris that these " liberal international order " advocates argued that is the only acceptable system for the world to progress and prosper. We now know for a fact that it isn't so.

[@shepherdsknoll]

@@spadeysay6846 , I’m not a Trump fan but he did point out a variation of “liberal international order”. The U.S. started down a path of isolationism. Trump showed that we could simply take our ball and go home.

[@annapoornaposani2870]

Yes you are true in portraying Trump

[@jaypeters5224]

Lol, "Russia is just a gas station". How ya feeling about that now? 😆

[@JoeyDaBull]

@42:15 listen for the laughter... scary..