CITIES OF DEATHHHH | Kill Team, Warhammer 40k, Necromunda Hive City Gaming Board

[@Saracenar]

This is pretty much exactly what I wanted to do with my cities of death back in the day. I made my buildings with gangways in mind but never got around to finishing them. Glad to see them finally serving their original intended purpose here Lachie!

[@Zorpazorp]

Yeah boyyyyyy, look at your little babies and what bloody glue did you use haha, some of those pieces were FUSED No to convince you to come play Kill Team 2nd edition ;)

[@Saracenar]

@@Zorpazorp Hahaha I wondered if it was my pieces that were stuck together! Probably super glue rather than plastic glue I think.

[@Zorpazorp]

@@Saracenar Dude it must have been some whack epoxy haha but it was like only four pieces, the rest were Tarzan's grip. I love that one of your original builds is still in the build though haha, little slice of the old stuff

[@theblindartist8345]

Build that functional elevator. You know you want to.

[@Zorpazorp]

WELL MAYBE I WILL

[@KaivanAlkaudon]

For the love of the golden throne, do it

[@ep1kone]

A small motor, threaded rod, maybe a 3D printed gear (or jaycar should have something) and a simple frame would work, or go a cable setup and then you could use it on different heights too. Bonus points for a raspberry pie, and a sensor setup keyed for floors so you don’t have to manually turn on and off.

[@Jellys_cool_lol]

@@Zorpazorp you'll get another subscriber if you do lol. Seen a post on Facebook recently, showing how to make the drill whilst keeping it moveable. I'd love nothing more than some free flowing movement in terrain, so will be watching, love the work

[@chopmopjeter18]

DEW IT

[@Miniac]

I'm glad you addressed the very important need for your miniatures to be able to participate in "the floor is lava".

[@Zorpazorp]

See Scotty gets what it's really about.

[@tabletopguard2661]

How many terrain dreams can one man have.

[@Zorpazorp]

You don't want to know....

[@antoinerossignol9355]

Yes

[@J.Buffer]

More.....

[@lukemcdonladson6648]

Rock City ✌️💚

[@tyarkschettler853]

Legions

[@GoobertownHobbies]

I actually do have my imperial sector kits and city of death work booklet ready to go. Please proceed teacher Lachie.

[@Zorpazorp]

Wonderful, in today's lesson we'll be starting on page 14 "How to build buildings and send them to Lachie to use in his stupidly massive project." Step one: Build your buildings as tall and ridiculous as possible Step two: Send Any questions class?

[@elmirBDS]

The real question is not how high the buildings go... It's how high you got after all those glue fumes did their thing! ;)

[@RPArchiveOfficial]

Amazing project man, something like this was going to be one of my longer term goals but you totally beat me to the punch 😂 Truly epic build man, your subs are lucky to have you!

[@Zorpazorp]

Cheers man, it's been a big dream of mine for sooooooo long, so good to finally start it

[@annbeez]

Love this! Verticality is one of the great underused features of 3d wargaming, I've always felt it's such a shame the official GW terrain rules don't work well with more vertical boards. I'm working on my own modular and vertical forge world board, so I'm looking forward to ideas to steal from this series!

[@Zorpazorp]

THIS. Soooooo many games feel like I'm playing on a 2D landscape. That shall be changing!

[@zombiedad]

Which game is best for vertical play?

[@euansmith3699]

"BLOCK WAAAAAAR!!!" Boy, that is a cool tabletop full of terrain. Flipping the half-walls is genius. Have you seen Blackmagic Craft's Plague City build? It is mental; though not a modular as this. Dana Howl's got a really neat city build coming along too. I like her use of risers to add to the verticality.

[@Zorpazorp]

Yeah Jez's build is so good haha! I might try and use some Archon kits at some point too, they're solid! Dana's is wicked too, I'll definitely have some risers too, it works great :)

[@chopmopjeter18]

The age of modular city boards is upon us.

[@sarahhillary7698]

Yooz mean “BLOCK WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!!!!”

[@petercarlson8240]

I say do the elevator, but it has to go "Ding!" when it reaches a floor and the doors open. Also- if you use the sprues from all your kits for some hardcore plastic carpentry material, you can increase your square footage by half. Plus it's all so much stronger, angles and joints. Nice work here.

[@Zorpazorp]

Hahahahaha and plays elevator music too!!!!

[@GammaAKF]

@@Zorpazorp can you imagine some grim determined Space marines covered in battle damage patiently waiting to get to the top floor to get the guy that gave them the damage as calming elevator music plays?

[@KnarbMakes]

Thats looking fresh. Good use of those kits!

[@Zorpazorp]

Thanks Knarb 👍

[@leiziru9642]

The total of £££ in these terrain kits is disturbing. Well done nevertheless!

[@Zorpazorp]

An entire childhood of pocket money haha

[@lewissmith5759]

i always saw these kind of terrain pieces in games workshops and wanted one, now i have a 3D printer and no one who plays 40k. but let it be known the first person i come across who is up for a game will have the craziest board. you mark my words

[@Zorpazorp]

I love it dude!

[@TheHaydena76]

How much terrain do you have now?

[@lewissmith5759]

@@TheHaydena76 I have had to downsize to go to university but I could set up a good 4-5 well terrained tables with what I have in storage.

[@TheHaydena76]

@@lewissmith5759 ery noice

[@robertanstee443]

Only got back into 40k last year, one of the first perchases I made was a second hand copy of Cities of Death because I remembered it so fondly from when I was a kid, awesome work Locky

[@Zorpazorp]

It was sooooo good aye! Cheer sRobbie!

[@chadhinkley7532]

Jump back out, GW is currently burning down the franchise so they can sell it to Disney and cash out

[@robertanstee443]

@@chadhinkley7532 Each to their own brother, I love the lore and the painting helps me centre myself

[@gs6103]

That trick of flipping the broken walls to make damaged tall walls is great. It gave me the piece I needed to finish a cool ruined cathedral out of my basilica set.

[@Zorpazorp]

Hell yeah!!

[@Dale_Groves]

The timing of this. 🤯 I’ve never even considered 40k until seeing the latest Kill Team release. The Korps aesthetic is just too irresistible. Love it Lachie.

[@Zorpazorp]

Buckle up Dale, our Kill Team plans are going to blow you away dude

[@Dale_Groves]

@@Zorpazorp can’t wait

[@TheLichsLaboratory]

Do it! Establish your terrain superiority. Make the elevator! Bonus points if you either install a speaker for elevator music or a nice "ding!" when you get to your floor

[@RPArchiveOfficial]

Yeah I'm watching this again. I can't explain why. I blame you Lachie 😂

[@Zorpazorp]

There's even more now haha and mooooooore next week

[@RPArchiveOfficial]

​@@ZorpazorpI'll be watching when I get back from holiday 😂​

[@ThePanda7255]

I can't even imagine how long this took to make 😂 Great work as always!

[@Zorpazorp]

I started on Tuesday haha, I've had veryyyyy little sleep this week.

[@TN-ci4ox]

@@Zorpazorp this Video does sound more like the ravings of someone sleep deprived than usual

[@Th3HondaGuy]

Still got the book on my shelf! Probably the single most influential thing on my hobbying. I modelled my tau after the scheme in the book since I hadn't seen it before (only for GW to make their new Tau in the new scheme lol) and bought a small force of Vostroyans to go with them right before they went out of print. This building is everything I want with cities of death!

[@bradp6452]

Loved me cities of death stuff. Only had the base box plus like on extra building but made the levels pinned instead of glued for easier storage.

[@Ernzt8]

The motorized elevator sounds great

[@Zorpazorp]

IT'S HAPPENING, SUPPLIES HAVE BEEN BOUGHT!

[@jimsutter2748]

Woooooooo!Hive City! All of the terrain, all of the time!

[@Zorpazorp]

WOOOOOO thanks Jim, also was that a subtle Queens of the Stone Age reference?

[@jimsutter2748]

@@Zorpazorp So subtle that I didn't realize it until after my subconscious did it! :D

[@adamphilip-phillips3794]

Absolutely love this and seeing you do terrain builds for the 40k/30k is the content we need (especially massive hive cityscapes) 😁 have you looked into necromunda for hive city inspiration?

[@Zorpazorp]

I have never played a game but I looooove the world! Wait till you see some ofthe games lined up for this badboy Adam!!!

[@chopmopjeter18]

This is an astounding video! I subscribed to your channel a mere two minutes in and watched the rest of the video with dumbfounded awe! As one whose imagination was also captured by Cities of Death, I am shocked at how seemingly easy it was for you to design such brilliant modular buildings, and am waiting with bated breath for the next video!

[@Zorpazorp]

Welcome to the family Chop!! Gkad you enjoyed it mate, lotssssss more to come!

[@0815UserII]

Awesome concept. Too bad the new Sector Imperialis is not available at the moment apart from the Sisters of Battle special Building and the newest additions to this system, the newer Battlezone: Manufactorum pieces are a quick-build variant with very limited options out of the gate (sure, you can cut them apart, but that adds a lot of work they could have spared us).

[@Galbalad]

Im following your channel mostly for Lotr, but even if i dont know anything about 40K i enjoy watching you put so much love in your project

[@Zorpazorp]

Thank you so much Galbalad!

[@lepettit_bricoleur3212]

Absolutely gorgeous ! Can't wait to see the next video !

[@Zorpazorp]

Thank you so much!!

[@fullfrontal2860]

This is creative madness at its finest.

[@Zorpazorp]

Why thankyou :D

[@simonmears4073]

What a fantastic project, it has such presence on the table. Awesome job.

[@Zorpazorp]

Thank you very much!

[@Infinity_Coda]

Can't wait for more of this series, insanely tall buildings with multiple levels of conflict adds a lot to 40k and Kill Team!

[@Zorpazorp]

Thanks Scotty I think so too!

[@thomasdenney6891]

Another Sunday treat! Keep up the good work!

[@Zorpazorp]

Will do mate!!

[@DSlyde]

Oh man, when I was a kid i built an elevator out one of the little lego spools with the crank handle and the string.We had rules where you'd roll 2d6 to see how many turns you could spin it, and you could choose to use part of them to stop at half levels to take cover using the floor. It worked TERRIBLY, contantly getting jammed on the elevator shaft walls, and it was clunky in game, but it was so freaking cool at the time.

[@Zorpazorp]

Thats so dope man haha, I've sourced some toy that I'm going to cannabilise for parts so brace yourself it's happening!!!

[@davidberta149]

I am a fan of your cold opens. Quite funny. This one and your LOTR bi weekly magazine one too.

[@Zorpazorp]

Hahahaha cheers David, good to hear man :) This was actually just a totally unscripted joke I made off the cuff as a meme for my future self editing to have a laugh at and I threw it in cause I pissed myself haha

[@TurnStyleGames]

How about an elevated mag-lev style train with a platform slicing through the middle of the buildings? Make the 'track' walkable, maybe even have a few mag lev carts on the tracks for movable line-of-sight blocking, etc. The hover train could also be at the height of a building's platform...and that building could have a crane attached to the side, etc.

[@GandalfGreyPill]

awesome work man. always so impressed with your work!

[@IcarusGames]

Yeah Cites of Death was a sweet book, but it had nothing on Codex: City Fight! Great work on the build so far! Can't wait to see more!

[@Zorpazorp]

Haha it was good man, but this badboy came out alongside tyhe terrain kits and it was SUCH a crucial time for me right at the zenith of my 4th edition 40k obsession :)

[@IcarusGames]

@@Zorpazorp both versions were among my favourite 40k books ever made. I loved the themed armies they showcased - so inspirational. All your videos lately are inspiring me to do my own big build. I've got two crates of blue foam looking at me asking to be built!!

[@CesarIsaacPerez]

Pretty insane! But it is fun playing with those kits.

[@WordTweak]

Cities of Death! One of my favourite supplements.

[@Zorpazorp]

Me toooooooo

[@adamsmith219]

Can’t wait for the mechanised elevator video!!!

[@TheEldarGuy]

Cities of Death.... the best ever! I loved those old city kits. I still have about 6 unused in their packaging.

[@Zorpazorp]

You lucky bastard Davey! I'm OUT and neeeed more haha

[@legionnaireminis]

This is stunning mate well done!

[@Zorpazorp]

Thanks mate!

[@Boodoosh69]

My first terrain project was a cities of Death build using a Realm of Battle: Sector Imperials board and grabbing as much GW city terrain as I could, adding balconies and walkways, well one magnetized walkway ;) all modular but this is some next level insanity right here, very nicely thought out and executed :)

[@Zorpazorp]

A gamer after my own heart Rabbit!

[@soundgarden8885]

OK OK, to hell with it, i subbed. Words cannot desdribe this utter madness. Hail to you zorb, period.

[@Zorpazorp]

Haha thank you soundgarden!!!

[@randomusernameCallin]

I am glad I got a 3d Printer If I wanted to make terrain like those.

[@TT_Veteran]

outstanding job, as always! cool idea with using the celling tiles as floors instead, and walkways. came out great.

[@d-emprahexpects]

Best 40k modular terrain I've seen in a while. I remember GW showing in the white dwarf the biggest hive city THEY built and it wasn't modular. A massive monster of terrain that required a van and 4 strong people to move around... 😂

[@Zorpazorp]

Yeah that's typical of their studio layouts haha

[@Bobdd0]

Knocking it out of the park yet again Man!! This is an exciting project, and i can hardly wait to see where you go with it. Also. As some one who wargames with lego, i HIGHLY value destructable terrain. It makes everything better when you can drive a speeder through a wall and paste the HQ unit behind it.

[@Zorpazorp]

I completelyyyyyyyyyy agree!!!!

[@Ayra_arts]

looks amazing already! Functional elevator ? Yes please!

[@Zorpazorp]

IT'S HAPPENING, SUPPLIES HAVE BEEN BOUGHT!

[@Ayra_arts]

@@Zorpazorp you madman! Can't wait!

[@ThePickleJar]

Absolutely awesome build! Looking forward to the next part!

[@Zorpazorp]

Cheers Pickle xx

[@jonathancannamore5777]

Love your channel, came here originally for the Star Wars Legion stuff, stayed because I'm in awe :P Keep it up, seeing a new video ends the day well :)

[@Zorpazorp]

Awesome! Thank you so much Jonathan! More legion coming eventually too, part four is going to be masssssive, but it's not for many months

[@jonathancannamore5777]

@@Zorpazorp love it! Can’t wait!

[@Denison512]

damn that inversion of the wall pieces is so BEEG brained!

[@Zorpazorp]

I was so stoaked on that hahaha

[@korinthis6868]

Oh Holy Emperor! I want to make my own. That looks amazing!

[@Zorpazorp]

You should!

[@jamesshellnut6787]

Those are awsome I have a bit of the old mechanicum sector and I would say if want to motorise the elevator a lego robotics kit could come in handy

[@Zorpazorp]

Yeah I've saved the manfactorum sprues for some Forge World stuff!!

[@Grr33nie]

I need more professor Zorp in my life

[@Zorpazorp]

A good life motto I think

[@Grr33nie]

@@Zorpazorp Also, couldnt help but notice, are you cheating on Minas Tirith with this upstart killteam :o

[@TheNarrativeNook]

your best video yet!!! amazing

[@Zorpazorp]

Thanks so much Tim!

[@Hakazu]

2 seconds in and I'm already hooked! I'm really glad to see how much you have improved your style at filming, humour and ideas on your builds. Keep it up man!

[@Zorpazorp]

Ah cheers Hak! Glad you're enjoying it, I'm just trying to step it up as much as I can for you guys every time I shoot :)

[@GreyhawkGrognard]

Yes! Definitely do make the motorized elevator. That would be too cool for school!

[@Zorpazorp]

We will!

[@shaunscott4773]

Christ Lachie, brilliant effort!

[@Zorpazorp]

Cheers Shauny, hope you're well mate :)

[@mikewicked]

As a Necromunda player, I love this. Some of the Sector Mechanicus kits might make for some interesting mid-town buildings, as well as supply you with more gantries and legs, and the Zone Mortalis stuff should give you more pillars if you need them, as well as external elevator kits. I've always wanted to make something along the same lines as this build (although even in my imagination, my buildings weren't as big as yours) but also include access points at street level to enter an underground tunnel network to combine both street level combat, and claustrophic corridor combat. You might also want to look for the 90s era Necromunda bulkheads for some additional wall sections. I might also need to find that Cities of Death book.

[@Zorpazorp]

Mikey my lad, we are birds of a feather haha. The original version of this board I made as a kit had a massive sewer complex that we could have on a second table to the side that units could access by going down manholes in the streets, and you're spot on with those kit recomendations! My eventual plan is to have every GW 40k terrain kit ever released in the boasrd somewhere like a big slice of history :)

[@mikewicked]

Well, I ended up finding a copy of the Cities of Death book on eBay for ridiculously cheap - I don't play 40k, but the pictures are fantastic.

[@Zorpazorp]

@@mikewicked Brilliant dude! So stoked for you :)

[@marcoscastellanos4114]

I loved the Cities of Death expansion

[@Zorpazorp]

Me tooooooooooooooo

[@harazhangf5782]

Awesome stuff !!! And of course we want to see a functioning elevator !!!

[@Zorpazorp]

You know it's happening haha

[@harazhangf5782]

@@Zorpazorp YEEES !!!

[@SheezyBites]

With a functionally quite similar, but aesthetically very different Infinity modular cyber punk city board project I'm definitely interested to see this one. Obviously all my neon lights are probably not going to have an equivalent, but certainly your making a usable multi story city is going to give me a lot of inspiration, and hopefully highlight a few potential pitfalls I'm hopefully early enough to avoid.

[@Zorpazorp]

I looooove the sound of that! I might actually wire it up with street lights eventually but we'll see!

[@dekai7992]

Cities of Death was AWESOME!

[@Zorpazorp]

Riiiiight???

[@MrGearsNTears]

Absolutely wanna see that mechanized elevator shaft. Get tech priesty with it

[@Zorpazorp]

TECH PRIEST MODE ACTIVATED

[@hecatepetrichor9563]

The elevator should be on the top of your priority list.

[@Zorpazorp]

IT'S HAPPENING, SUPPLIES HAVE BEEN BOUGHT!

[@hecatepetrichor9563]

@@Zorpazorp Most beautiful day ever !

[@chad534]

Love this series of vids man!

[@deevad8119]

I love what you are doing here. I'm sitting on a few 40k terrain as well and trying to find a way to make a modular board as well. Can't wait to see what's coming next !

[@Zorpazorp]

So much madness haha

[@BattleCamperHome]

I felt that intro. I felt it in my bones.

[@BattleCamperHome]

"It seems like an unachievable project" Subtext: "for you scum, that is true. But I am beyond your pitiful notions of realistic builds."

[@BattleCamperHome]

Inverting the buildings is such a masterbrain play....

[@Zorpazorp]

Hahahaha I'll send you some pics of what I'm doing right now haha

[@BadDecisionDinosaur89]

Horus Heresy content on Zorpazorp? Yes, please!

[@Zorpazorp]

You know it Nicky boyyyyyyyyyyyy

[@jonathanbee514]

This is truly a beauty

[@poke_cactushobby3780]

This is crazy good. One thing I would do with the walkways is add either really thick wire under it or plasticard for support. Just so they don't snap.

[@Zorpazorp]

They're actually super strong with the railings acting as bracers!

[@poke_cactushobby3780]

@@Zorpazorp this is true! Can’t wait to see more of this!

[@NoggiSengria]

I love this. Awesome Job

[@Zorpazorp]

Thanks Noggi!

[@jacobtaylor9879]

cannot wait to see more

[@Zorpazorp]

Thanks Jacob!

[@commissar_dk420]

Absolutly love the idea of working elevators. Very exciting if you do make it!

[@Zorpazorp]

Fingers crossed!

[@Alittlefruitgoesalongway]

An operational miniature elevator would be amazing! I'd love to see the cinematic of some bloated nurgly dudes taking the elevator bevause they couldn't be bothered with the ladders. I don't know how you'd do it though, but even a video going over fun ideas for how it might possibly work could be fun, even if you aren't able to actually make it.

[@Zorpazorp]

I reckon i could knock something up! See how we go haha :D

[@francescogulisano2917]

-So, Lachie, how many huge cities do you want to build? -YES

[@Zorpazorp]

HAHAHAHA yes this

[@thomassaxon8254]

You definitely need to do the working elevator. Just imagine the look on your friend's face their models go speeding up into the air!

[@Zorpazorp]

Hahahaha YEEEEEEEEEEEET

[@HarryBates96]

HAHAHAHA that intro had me in stitches

[@Zorpazorp]

That was actually completely unscripted I was just memeing myself to have a chuckle when I was editing haha

[@bhubb18]

Fantastic work as always!

[@Zorpazorp]

Thank you Benny! Cheers!

[@sshim950]

Very cool : ) I’d enjoy a moving elevator!

[@wolfling_conceptions415]

Wyloch has done great tutorials for modular roads with battle damage craters ect.

[@Zorpazorp]

Will give them a gander thanks!

[@MSPaints]

Wicked Gash entering my vocabulary.

[@Zorpazorp]

Hey Dave, you know how you love building shit and sending it to me....

[@MSPaints]

@@Zorpazorp oh no… oh no…

[@eli1525]

Motorise it! You absolute madlad :D

[@Zorpazorp]

It has begun muahahahaha

[@pedrobastos8132]

@0:50 well that cought me off guard

[@Zorpazorp]

Hehehe

[@LiliaArmoury]

11:08 lockie making his life harder by suggesting to the community he does something challanging

[@lordvalandil1672]

First 15 seconds. I already have a smile on my face!

[@Zorpazorp]

Haha you are MOST welcome :D

[@natalie9073]

a working elevator is complete madness. do it!

[@Zorpazorp]

It's coming Nat fear not!

[@Carter2413]

Love the vid man. Please keep up the amazing work and I would love to c u build a moving elevator

[@Zorpazorp]

Thanks Carter!! Moving Elevator is CONFIRMED!

[@Refridgeratorcopter]

GORGEOUS!

[@thesquidwithclass8097]

Well I guess I'll subscribe This crazy shit is very inspiring

[@olskoolsouljah]

Are you...mixing super glue and plastic glue? Fumes aside, that's genius. The CA glue cures quickly and holds the pieces in place, while the plastic glue melts everything together and makes it nice and strong.

[@Zorpazorp]

That's the exact idea :) :)

[@shanebrookes]

Definitely need to make that motorised elevator

[@Zorpazorp]

IT'S HAPPENING, SUPPLIES HAVE BEEN BOUGHT!

[@jakublhotan9029]

This was my dream! Thank you 😊

[@Zorpazorp]

Glad you enjoyed it mate!

[@uriance88]

All that verticality will lead to interesting line of sight challenges (not a bad thing, because smart players will use opponents blind spots to advantage) - which I suspect will require some 'house rules' - possibly a modification of the Advanced Squad leader LOS rules to account for measured distance rather than hexes . . .

[@Zorpazorp]

Very possible!! We shall have to see how the various game systems cope with it all :)

[@Marlerc11]

What are you spray the terrain with in 4:20 and what with the two different glues?

[@Zorpazorp]

When building these massive kits I use three glues, Plastic cement for a nice long term plastic weld, Cyanoacrylate Super glue for a fast instant bond, which is quickened by an activator which is the spray you see, and then a really strong and impact resistant bonding agent like Tarzan's Grip General Purpose, which becomes like a gluey rubber. I use the first two on the actual contact surface, and the third as a filler glue when joining uneven surfaces and on the bottom side of joins with only a single plane of contact like the side by side floor tiles who need some shear strength :)

[@Marlerc11]

@@Zorpazorp Thanks for sharing!

[@Neves1789]

Looking great! I recently went through my Cities of Death book, such a gem! Been playing 5th ed with my mates as it's a lot easier to get into that the current bloated 9th.

[@Zorpazorp]

Cheers Neves! 5th was my glory days haha, goooood times haha!

[@Traitorsaviour]

You had my like at cities of death

[@Zorpazorp]

Why thank you TreeMan, I see you too are a man of culture.

[@seryordle4226]

This is incredible! Looks like my Vertigus box isn't going to be assembled like its supposed to be now XD

[@Zorpazorp]

Those pieces look lovely but IO hate that there is zero modularity with the wall sections. I might pick some up but they'll be going through a saw blade haha!

[@seryordle4226]

Yeah that was the biggest disappointment for me with the box. Your video definitely gave me ideas of how to chop it up though! The way you combined the 2 small wrecked walls into the large wall with the gash in it especially. Super excited to see where you take this!

[@Gamer_Dylan_6]

This might be too much of a play feature, and the walls might be too thin... but I think it would be fun if you magnetized the doors. You could have them closed to block sight lines, then kick them in as units move through by popping them out with your fingers. It would feel awesome to do in game.

[@Zorpazorp]

MANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN how good would that be. great suggestion Dylan I'll see if I can make it work