Citizen Finally Gets It Right! Citizen Garrison Review BM8560-53E

[@vanshjain6777]

I got a 61-6818 Citizen automatic watch for my late grandfather and it still operates perfectly after so many years

[@GadgetyMV]

For the sort of money a Swiss watch brand will charge you to evaluate what the service fee will be you get a great daily wearer that can handle it all. Even if it isn't your daily, leave it on the window sill and it' ll always be ready to go. Watches like this show what outstanding value Citizen can bring. Remember they pioneered the titanium wrist watch.

[@adk7962]

Very cool. A $200ish titanium Citizen Eco Drive with sapphire? That’s hard to beat. Thanks for the review!

[@gregalonzo747]

I remember your review of the Avion. I do a lot of hiking and I wanted something solar and different from the standard field watch. I bought the Avion and all these years later it is still in great condition. What astounds me is the mineral crystal has no scratches. I would definitely recommend Citizen's Eco Drive watches.

[@bobbailey6398]

That’s a great looking watch. Every so often they get one really right. I could do without the teeny day date window. You do great watch reviews. One of the things I like about your style of review is you are showing the watch 90% of the time (an estimate) vs other reviewers who want to film water falls and clouds or themselves. You actually show us the watch in question. I personally like that.

[@Bystander_Ua]

А мне дата важна и день недели. Даже не супер читаемая.. не спешу, полюбуюсь дольше циферблатом

[@hmr171]

I agree it would look much nicer with white painted lume. Unfortunately, it's still too large. I don't have a small wrist, but that's way too much wrist presence for me. This would be really nice at 39 or 38mm.

[@nobbynoris]

My thoughts exactly.

[@dig494]

Yup, totally agree. I got a couple eco drive divers. Of course they are like 44mm 316L but have the diver bezel so it works fine at that size. They are great beaters even with mineral.

[@violinmke]

I have a 42 mm eco drive chrono which I was surprised fit just fine on my 7 1/2 wrist. Thickness and lug to lug affect it too.

[@donnyboon2896]

I've got eight inch wrists and 42 mm seems about right. 👍🏼

[@CocoKoi321]

cringe dude its a pilots watch, not a dress watch, do rice bucket challanges and grow your wrists. a 40mm would be fine

[@miroslavnavratil5644]

Just bought 2 today. Excellent travel watch. Day and date.

[@yogiyoda]

I love my Citizen PMD56-2952 which is very similar. So comfortable and carefree. I love the lightweight titanium, day-date, white-lume, domed sapphire, atomic timekeeping, and on the fly size adjustment! Only complaints are the average lume and Japanese only atomic time. Fortunately, it's a very accurate movement. I use an app on my phone to set the time twice a year (when switching for DST) since it only gains a couple seconds per month.

[@pedrovalenzuela7776]

Which app are you talking about? I got the same Watch on my which list!

[@RelativeTime]

I noticed that one as well. Looks to be an upgraded version.

[@yogiyoda]

@@pedrovalenzuela7776 - I use Clock Wave on my iPhone, but there are other apps that work too. It took a little messing around to get the settings right the first time. There are KZbin videos where people give tips

[@gordtulk]

I’ve had this exact style watch for ten months for use as my weekend beater. Put it on a fabric band. Super light weight and easy to read and decent loom. Dead accurate too.

[@HALO-2304]

I kind of wish it were slightly smaller at 40mm, but it does have my attention. While it may be a Flieger, it reminds me of the Seiko SNK381K1 Field watch, aka the MACV SOG watch.

[@66racer]

Nice to see this watch talked about. I have owned it a few months and love it but yes, wish the lume was white. That said, I get Tudor Ranger vibes from it the way it is. My biggest gripe is that the crown looks great but is too aggressive for not being a screw down crown. Twice in a few months the crown has gotten accidentally pulled out. I wear gloves and once removing gloves. The other time somehow in my sleep. It has killed the wearing experience for me a little bit, I still enjoy it but that's the one main issue I have with it and my use case.

[@ashfaqadib8085]

Awesome review! Can you tell me what strap you've at 4:40 ?

[@canadianwatchmonkey3992]

My all time favourite Citizen watch is the older Monoblock case watches

[@RelativeTime]

Those are cool

[@richarddrew8351]

Good review. I picked up the Blue and Green variants on leather (surprisingly decent straps supplied and I dislike bracelets) and they're my go to daily watches. Tough enough you don't need to worry about DIY or gardening in them, incredibly clear display (okay day date is small) Excellent lume. Light-weight and comfortable, perfect timekeepers - no hassle everyday beaters. I don't miss the occasional Seiko 5 shake and reset at all. If I wear a dress watch for a few days, I can just grab one of these and it's ready to go.

[@DrBrito]

This piece seems a very good choice for money. Now, I've looking more towards the Citizen Promaster Tough - BN0118-55E. Some features are better, but what I like more on the Though is the design and the crown guard.

[@vitmat7779]

Great review Sir, I still have the 1-st model Gsrison eco-drive blackPVD with mineral crystal, and that watch constantly takes beating in the field and inside of Atlantic Ocean and sand beach

[@holgermuller3597]

I´m not a big Titanium fan, but this watch looks great! 42mm is the right size for a flieger. I would like to see it with a typical flieger leather ...and without the day date window, which i.m.o. makes no sense to this style of watch. Great review not missing a detail, like always, Shane, thanks for that 👍👍👍

[@Bystander_Ua]

😂 ну так это ваше мнение. А для меня это повседневные часы в лёгкие в титане в стиле пилот но дата мне важна и желательно не просто число месяца а и день недели

[@holgermuller3597]

@@Bystander_Ua Leider Schwachsinn.

[@macguyverson9370]

I have a very similar citizen that is probably over 10 years old and still working fine.

[@AlonAbraham1]

Your text and timing of captions of the macro dial are exceptional. Ho and yes the watch is good run for the money although i wish it had anti reflective coating with a color, and better lasting luminance but i would consider getting it. Since it is very practical, nice looking, accurate and thin. But it would not be my only watch 😅 get a dress watch when im off physical work and i’m fine😊Thank you for this great review 🎉

[@ForlornFreddy]

I really like this one. I'm getting slight Tudor Ranger vibes but at 1/10 the price. It's amazing how universally well all those different strap combos go with this one.

[@markcoffman494]

And if the date/day indicator is not big enough for you, they do make Magnifier’s that are in that shape that really do help your ability to read the day and date. All you need is some glass glue/ultraviolet light glue and it will keep the magnifier on the Crystal.

[@jodiwilson7299]

Good watch, I'm wearing mine now. A milled clasp would be good. A 36mm - 39mm case would be better, flieger watches look larger due to a small bezel. But it's a good piece. I'm a 7" wrist & it looks fine

[@certainly2509]

Nice looking watch. Now if only Citizen could add saphire crystals to ALL their watch lines, that would be great! And that would kick Seiko in their collective behind too!

[@Cortesevasive]

pretty much all citizens have sapphires and eco drives though.

[@certainly2509]

@@Cortesevasive Pro masters don't. They have mineral crystals.

[@Cortesevasive]

@@certainly2509 some do , some dont, its probably because of diving thing.

[@jacobt1027]

​@@certainly2509better for divers. mineral is less likely to shatter than shappire

[@jamaissansmamontre]

Great review. What a great looking piece. A possible alternative would be the Citizen Promaster Tough BN0211-50E. Titanium coating on steel, saphire, Eco-Drive, unusually small date window but white markers and numerals.

[@yvesleroy5740]

My favourite citizen is the solar and radio controlled CB0230-81E ...Titanium good lume and always on time ... superb readibility

[@pavelantonov251]

Very happy with my Citizen EcoDrive with a sapphire glass. Had before another Japanese watch, well known and famous - no complains for watch itself, but always had problems with it's bracelet, either broken lock or pins connecting bracelet and watch, and no chance to repair - "this model off production at the moment". Never had anything like this with Citizen, plus fantastic precision of this watch, 3 years and second hand as precise as phone time, not a second late or forth.

[@casteltheghettomonk4392]

Is that super titanium legit like citizen claims x5 less scratch resistant?

[@pavelantonov251]

@@casteltheghettomonk4392 You mean it's x5 more resistant, I guess? Probably, at least I can't see any scratches without magnifying glass. Now, I remember there are many scratches, well visible on both bracelet and watch when I had another watch, not Citizen.

[@casteltheghettomonk4392]

@@pavelantonov251 yeah thanks for correcting ( autocorrect 😅 ) I am thinking about buying a Citizen Ca7090-87L , or maybe for that price 2 watches over 150$ can't really decide. Do you know anything about swiss military hanowa watch brand? Very popular in Europe Balkan but not UK USA

[@vonferne5480]

Great review! WR 100 m Bought one just about two years ago when they were known as "Avions". I am interested in watches but not a collector. Saw it in a showcase window and wanted to buy it. I said to myself, slow down 200€ ist money - think it over - and had the watch put aside for a week. On the way back to my car I turned around, went to the store and bought the watch. Great watch!

[@nearly-blindbrian8372]

I have low vision so I tend to gravitate to Fleegers, my Iris Big Crown is my go to but this might be a great option for when I do nto want to wear a $2.5 k watch on my wrist..

[@Sirleopard666]

I think you forgot to mention that is available the chrono version. I liked most than the regular flyer version, because have a modern design base on a retro classic design, also I liked the deep blue dial with yellow accents, and modern subdials

[@RelativeTime]

Yeah I did. Looks like there are some pretty good prices for those as well.

[@HVG67]

Cool. It vaguely looks a bit like my Citizen "Ray Mears". Minus monoblock case, red dots and the inverted triangle at 12... Yeah this could possibly wind up in my collection actually! Like the Avion that I also have...

[@jj903hunter]

Man the BN0118 has been on my wish list for a minute and this watch reminds me of it as well. If it had better lume I think I'd probably own it already. 👍🏼

[@prredo]

bought one in Vienna for 229 EUR (green dial on a titanium bracelet) 3 months ago, and all I can say is that this watch is the best everyday beater you can buy for less than 300$

[@rossdaisomont7786]

I have a citizen from 2004, and he is exactly right you'll get 10 years of use out of it and then it won't work anymore. If you try to put a new battery in it that doesn't work either. However I have a citizen automatic from 1974, I just pick it up and it starts to run... My suggestion is always by yourself an automatic or give someone an automatic for a gift.. Once the battery dies you tend to leave it in the drawer. I also have a 1954 Bulova automatic, I've never had it serviced, I've adjusted the regulator and it just runs and runs and runs.

[@josephj7387]

This a good looking watch and a great deal for a titanium watch! Through and amazing review as always Shane!

[@fuloplehel]

Great review and watch, I like citizen watches. I have a citizen promaster skyhawk blue angels edition but I was searching for a simple design. And two weeks ago I saw this watch but on a black leather strap and it was 150 euros on black friday. I think it is a great watch for the price. Unfortunately this was the only one available, but maybe I can find a titanium bracelet. In my opinion the date window is on a smaller side., and a screwdown crown is missing, but for this price is a great everyday watch. 👍👍👍👍

[@surfeitan]

Great video. Just wondering the clasp width. How much is the bracelet taper

[@shyamchabra5355]

I bought the original Avion some years ago, but it does have problems with the leather strap which is too thick. Also, the crown is difficult to use as it does not come out cleanly and setting the time becomes a chore. Other than that, the watch has performed wonderfully. I should wear it more often!

[@frederickhugo5650]

Really want to get into citizen, but I just can't seem to find anything that would be perfectly suitable. They are either too big for my sub 7 wrist or the dial is too cluttered. This watch comes pretty close though.

[@RelativeTime]

Earlier this year they introduced some 37mm divers. I want to check them out soon.

[@Tom_H327]

I have 2 Citizens.....that I hardly wear. Looking back I should have skipped Citizen and spent the money on a Seiko or an Orient. I much more picky now and will not pull the trigger on anything unless I can test it on the wrist first.

[@brianmccord7387]

@@RelativeTime I was just about to mention those. I know the colorways are supposed to appeal to women, but I think a lot could be done with the switch of rubber straps to appeal to other genders!

[@richardbell466]

Nice watch. Citizen are soooooo under-rated.

[@stefanosperanza285]

Hi. Thank you for this clear and comprehensive review. I appreciated the straps, you have a taste for it. Actually I'd like to know where did you take the dark brown leather one that appears at 40 secs and the black one at 2:18. Thanks!

[@evanspivack2714]

Would be great at 40mm, or even a bit less. I get that pilot's watches are generally a bit larger, but theyre bypassing a significant market segment that wants a smaller watch.

[@artmcteagle]

Nice, my two cents, it's almost a winner; smaller case size 36-38mm availability would be nice, the minute hand is too short, and not broad enough, it should sport a different color (and/or lume) to stand out from the hour hand, or at least the second hand should add a bit of color. Am I the only one to find day/date feature irksome? Get rid of it, most of the time they're wrong anyways, put the saving into anti reflective coating. Thanks for reviewing!

[@dustingaddis2423]

Look up the PMD56-2952. Similar look, but 39mm x 45mm x 12mm with a GREAT quick adjust clasp. Cost ~twice as much, but still very reasonably priced for what you get IMO.

[@RelativeTime]

I saw that one too. Pretty interesting. I think it's also radio-controlled and has a perpetual calendar.

[@johnclarke115]

Have the Blue face on a Barton strap.....your review is spot on!

[@chrisbradshaw7708]

I'm not a Flieger guy, but this is a handsome watch.

[@jss78_abc123]

I bought this for my father a week ago. A hell of a watch for < 200 €. But I do agree on the comments about size -- while my father can wear this thing with his chunky wrist, I certainly cannot.

[@troyom]

I ended up buying the green one and I love it.

[@RelativeTime]

Glad to hear it.

[@Classicalthomas]

the off-yellow is to make it have a bit of "vintage" aesthetic. My avion doesn't have a very good lum either though. But they are fleigers, not divers: so I forgive em.

[@gregcapella5941]

Citizen Garison Review BM8560-53E,,,,GREAT REVIEW,,JUST BOUGHT ONE

[@RelativeTime]

Thanks!

[@mikeg8276]

It’s nice, but the lack of AR coating, the two mm’s above 40, and the inability to buy the green dial on the titanium bracelet, all brought me to the Timex Expedition North solar for my analog field beater.

[@MrGrigs681]

I like almost everything about these watches.... especially the one with the blue dial. It has a great carefree movement, is very legible, lightweight, and looks great. The biggest downfall for me is the lack of a screw-down crown. My old Citizen Chandler has a screw-down crown and 200m water resistance. While I do not need a 200m water resist watch, it is just too easy to have the crown get knocked out and either leak or break the stem off.

[@Paul-vf2wl]

200m sounds like overkill but anything less than 100m isn't really waterproof

[@georgetorres1739]

My favorite Casios are the Duro 2784, Ediface 5359, and the Lineage 5174, ask of which didn't break the bank, and stay accurate.

[@georgetorres1739]

All of which I learned thru you! Thank you!

[@iancraig6070]

Citizen make amazing watches but need to bring the size down to 38mm,a more comfortable sweetspot size.

[@sandipanroychowdhury8360]

It’s an amazing watch I had the leather strap one it’s awesome

[@therealisation5500]

I have a citizen in the late 80s i don't remember how much I spent on it wouldn't be much had to rubber strap the battery ran for three years or more i wore it for work for fifteen years or more the strap wore out but I've still got it I'm sure if i put a battery in it I'd get another twenty years

[@44musher]

Just bought one 135$ bnib, im a carpenter and my Certina DS couldn't handle the sawzall effect, it froze, so the Citizen will now be put to the test.

[@Gumby56]

Just bought this watch on Amazon, thank you!

[@jj903hunter]

Man I have really been eyeballing this model lately. The lume is my main hang-up. I really like the look of it though. I really like the Ray Mears BN0118 and this has a similar style. The PDM56 is another similar design but I'm still hunting "THE" watch. There is a similar Momentum model that is similar as well but I've yet to see many reviews. Oh well, I guess the hunt is part of the fun! 👌🏼 Great video! 👍🏼

[@paulhiggins8774]

Bit of a mixture of design, the font looks very similar to the WW1 watches but with a pilots inverted triangle at 12, not sure if the lume colour works or the red dots. In my opinion a better watch from Citizen is a BM8180-03E similar design but nicer looking and under £100 Great review as always Shane and stay in the studio with that mesmerising spinning thing on your desk, what is it !

[@halfpastblog]

I always thought this looked like a great value watch from a great brand. Another awesome review.

[@josephmarchitelli8138]

A great-looking legible watch. Thank you for the review. But unfortunately still too big in my opinion. 38 mm would be great. I have a citizen field watch in that size and find it to be the best all-around watch.

[@joehead1294]

If it came in a 38, the sec and min hand might just make it to the track.

[@lukewalker1051]

It is a very good execution. Love the legibility, the weight due to Titanium, minimalist style, EcoDrive for the win, but to me, the watch lacks a certain panache. Hard to qualify. Lacks the elegance of say a Longines...where they get the dial proportions better. Font is too big. It looks a bit too crude for lack of a better description. A very good watch but doesn't do it enough for me to own. But I haven't seen it in person. It sure checks a lot of boxes and love Citizen watches and own the BN-150 EcoDrive.

[@stavros_katsopr]

Damn, it's not just my eyes that are getting older...😋 A solid, tool watch, but i never liked the square-ish "old style" numerals. Other than that, a watch for a decade, or two, problems or maintenance free. What more do you need? Cheers Shane, be well mate.

[@megasoid]

Nice watch, would put that on a leather strap! A dateless version would be even better, but I still wouldn't kick this one out. Thanks for the review.

[@dparis2172]

I used to think Citizen were garbage. As a teen in the 90s I bought a Citizen homage of a Movado Museum. The experience was so negative that I didn’t bother wearing a watch for almost 30 years. 😅 Now, Citizen is one of my favorite brands (though I still think a big chunk of their catalog is ugly as sin).

[@deanP.]

Cool watch. Thanks for showing it.

[@anthonydevono8833]

Very nice citizen finally giving us a choice

[@dennyterrio1942]

good review. nice watch. Ill wait for some kind'a sale or used in good condition. solar, titanium, sapphire is a win win win

[@ricardogonzalez6060]

my new "garrison" , is not working to set day of the month (the day of the week is ok) , only change on midnight...

[@DumasMoran]

I love so many Citizen designs, but do not go over 40mm if I can help it. Darn shame. I have like 25 Citizens, which I believe are all the

[@minimalisthealth]

Now follow that template to make aesthetically varied models. I'd be interested in one with fewer numerals (esp if they're Arabic numerals) and have applied indices instead

[@RelativeTime]

I'll keep an eye out for something like that.

[@megasoid]

Just thinking four months later....lol...how about a review of the Citizen Promaster Tough Titanium BN0118-04E (Ray Mears in some circles). I just purchased this watch and I think it's another tool winner for Citizen.

[@RelativeTime]

Well I've reviewed the normal Promaster Tough and liked it. The Ray Mears one is a bit harder to find as it was a UK exclusive. Then even harder as I think it's been discontinued. Although I'd have to double check that. But I thought it was, so wasn't sure if it was worth reviewing.

[@jebstuart3]

HECK!! Ya got a winner there brotha!! It's got lume. That's the point. I'm not gonna worry about inconsequential details.

[@monologic4806]

Good review Shane 👍

[@ztejstronymarcin]

Gentlemen and Ladies (if there are any here), what is the scratch and abrasion resistance of this watch? In fact, I had this watch for a few days, but unfortunately it came to me already scratched and abraded, so I don't know if it is easily scratched, or if someone had it for a long time, scratched it, and then returned it.

[@pedrovalenzuela7776]

I got the same watch on my wish list for about 3 months now! My only concern, is the 42 mm. Even though i got the Orient Mako 2, almost same wrist presents, what did you think, should i buy it or not?

[@RelativeTime]

When you look at the Mako does it look like a good size on your wrist? Physically this will feel similar, or have the same footprint. Yet it will look a little larger because there is no bezel. The dial takes up most of the case.

[@pedrovalenzuela7776]

i have a small wrist, i like the way It looks on my wrist the mako, i dont see It and feel It big, just a little heavy, but this Garrison, blows my mind every Time i see It! 😍

[@loganholmberg2295]

I want this but I'm just not a fan of the dial. Id much rather have the dial and seconds hand from the jdm Citizen promaster land.

[@RampartPh]

The tsuyosa looks better w/ its applied dial and all. It's an automatic but it can hold its own

[@cherryg2210]

I love the Tsuyosa..waiting for its review

[@RelativeTime]

I got to get one of those. I really like the new teal one with a gradient dial.

[@ak2112]

Hope they make a downsized version of this. 38 with a 20 lug would be great. And if I'm being greedy, go ahead and kill the day/date too.

[@RelativeTime]

They might, you never know. Orient recently released a 40mm diver, so the bigger brands are finally thinking about going smaller.

[@jpdemer5]

Wish it had the clean dial of the Chandler (BM6838-17L), which is a nice approximation of the Hamilton Khaki. Can't ANYBODY make a Khaki with sapphire and water resistance???

[@duncanidaho2130]

On that sail cloth, though. Wow.

[@casteltheghettomonk4392]

Is that super titanium legit like citizen claims x5 more scratch resistant? I am considering buying one

[@RelativeTime]

I haven't fully tested citizens, but the scratch resistant coatings from other companies have worked really well. Ones from a few microbrands and Seiko, so I would assume citizens is legit.

[@casteltheghettomonk4392]

@@RelativeTime if you have left over links from citizen , if you removed some to fit your wrist , why don't you test it out on KZbin? So everyone will see , cause I hardly doubt is x5 less scratch resistant than steel, maybe 2-3 times more but 5 is a reach

[@lil----lil]

Any watch today without Atomic or Satellite timekeeping is an automatic NO-GO for me, one you tried both, you will NEVER GO back - no matter how pretty the watch looks.

[@RelativeTime]

Don't forget Bluetooth. Casio's Oceanus line is a great example of a good-looking watch with it. I know some hate it in a watch, but they each have their pros and cons. Same with High Precision Quartz movements.

[@leo.girardi]

If you have to put "titanium" on the face plate, that means if for show, not go.

[@jandlugosz3846]

Zegarek na branzolecie wydaje mi się mało ciekawy. Staje się piękny gdy załozymy pasek.

[@ianalbiero9170]

As a flieger guy...it woud be perfect if at least had the 6 and 9.

[@jasonmartin1668]

Citizen titanium promaster GMT diver is one you ought to review

[@RelativeTime]

I've been curious about that one. Im working on a sumo solar GMTs review now. After I sell that watch I'll look at getting one.

[@jasonmartin1668]

@@RelativeTime I'm enjoying it, super light, it's a great "work watch". I dive and work in remote locations as a medic. The lume is acceptable. The GMT hand is not lumed however, but that may be due to some ISO rating restriction. The watch wears small on my 7.25" wrist even though its 47 lug to lug.

[@ghatzidakis]

This vs the eco drive promaster 44mm?

[@krwd]

Has anyone ever told you that you sound like Stephen Hill, he is known for the radio show Music from the hearts of space 👍👍

[@RelativeTime]

No, that's a new one. I usually get Rod Serling, Patrick Bateman, Ben Stein, or Richard Attenbourgh. I'll have to look him up.

[@kabysummit5801]

Still too big for my liking. I'm going with the Citizen 37mm Garrison eco-drive field watch as my everyday watch. It doesn't have sapphire crystal however.

[@sh4969]

The Beltany bubbleback is decent for the money.

[@e28forever30]

Beltany?

[@Z-S-H]

Agree needs to go down to 39mm Citizen just makes their stuff too large in general

[@emiljunegalorport2378]

I really love Citizen Watch ❤😂🎉❤😂🎉

[@bkstarkey]

These have shot up in price recently. 270-300 now.

[@RelativeTime]

Prices seem to be all over the map. I still see this one on Amazon for $240. Although Joma has a blue one with a strap for $167. But other places have them for more.

[@bkstarkey]

@@RelativeTime two weeks ago joma had the blue with blue strap for $155. Should have gotten it then.

[@entropicallydriven]

Jomashop had blue with bracelet for $180 until a couple weeks ago. Kicking myself for not jumping on it

[@rockinginafreeworld3256]

Only problem with citizen is the date dial is unreadable for me.

[@kmetzi01]

The crown does not lock and pops out at least twice per day.

[@RelativeTime]

On this one? Do you mean the crown completly falls out?

[@hermitgreenn]

In a slew of completely forgettable watches, once in a blue moon Citizen will drop a gem like this.

[@robch4414]

I bought this as a gift for my son. It's lovely in many ways but... It's SO light it feels quite insubstantial - heft still carries an implication of quality. The titanium bracelet pressure-marks very easily. And removing links from the bracelet is a nightmare (the tiny retaining "collars" Citizen use on the pins should be banned by statute!).

[@Baruch-Hashem]

agreed, a white lume would be so much better. the fake vintage lume shade needs to go.

[@jamesmcgarry1229]

I’ve noticed that in reviews of flieger watches, the reviewers often use the words “history” and “heritage” as well as saying they were developed to help German pilots tell the time easily, but they never use the word “nazi”. Just an amusing observation.

[@RelativeTime]

Well would you? It's true, but I don't think pointing it out leads to anything good. Same goes when people talk about VW and it's History.