CitizenCon 2954: Beyond Pyro

[@danio583]

28:42 I really need to have a version on youtube so I can listen to it every day. It's a masterpiece! 🔥🔥🔥

[@gumblebrum]

dw homie i gotchu kzbin.info/www/bejne/mneqd2igZcqhhKssi=fX8L9cXdZaxPYCdc

[@AngryB4ker]

I'll give CIG credit where credit is due; Sherman Station looks INCREDIBLE. They understand Homeworld's artstyle better than Blackbird does.

[@NarrowDipShit]

Pls dont remind me of HW3 😭

[@CriminalMindsQuotes]

art and thats all it is

[@solidsnake5051]

@@CriminalMindsQuotes it was in engine already, not just art. Castra's gonna come out quicker as its just 2 planets in the system, most definitely.

[@mythicallegendary3992]

@@solidsnake5051plus the tech scaling they have, it will just keep getting faster and faster.

[@thehouseofdowney]

@@solidsnake5051 It was artwork, its in "pre-production". That means they have not produced in-engine material that is intended to end up in game. These are pre-production assets quickly assembled to give a general idea of the intended final product. Its all conceptual at this point, thats what pre-production means. To be clear, even when its produced it will still be mostly artwork with no functionality, other than collisions, like 99.9% of Microtech for example.

[@AbbreviatedReviews]

I kinda figured instanced areas would be more prominent. It seemed like CIG was avoiding them for a long time, but it just makes sense for things to be more functional and have fewer issues with people overlapping where it doesn't make sense. Though I would rather see more of ArcCorp's surface buildings than the sewers... Also, I don't know why, but Nyx seems like such a cool system. I just like the idea of a very space-focused area instead of so much being on planets.

[@justalex4214]

They haven't been avoiding them, they were actively pretending they can make the game without them due to their belief in the jesustech "server meshing". Now that they are testing meshing and defined what their game actually might look like, they probably realized that instancing solves many of the non-network related issues that meshing can't solve.

[@okgo3763]

@@justalex4214 Yes, ArcCorp buildings. Would be so dope!

[@D_Wito]

@@justalex4214 Well even with miracle of server meshing working as dreamed there would be a lot of people and all of them might have conflicting ideas in their head so... chaos imminent

[@justalex4214]

@@D_Wito it's not even that. Just look at any other mmo, quest givers are oftentimes swarmed by hordes of players, this wouldn't work in SC where players can bump into each other. Same goes for the quests themselves, if the content isn't instanced, it would be complete chaos with dozens or hundreds of players doing the same thing at the same place at the same time. It just doesn't work on a logistical level. Also 100 players at NB commons during the meshing tests already made the framerate crash hard, so instances are also needed on a technical level so peoples computers don't explode.

[@404fox9]

It was informally promised that they wouldn't use instancing way back in the kickstarter days because people were tired of instancing in every MMO, although that may have more to do with the connotations of what people meant back then. I think the reason they're planning to do it now is that server meshing made it easy to do instancing on the side, and the gameplay experience might be better for some circumstances like a linear level that has puzzles, and to make sure that doesn't get ruined by random people showing up.

[@smutserkling6848]

I will never flinch in my confidence for the developers, absolutely incredible as always.

[@corsair831]

If they hit 20 years I might have a slight flinch

[@positronikiss]

@@smutserkling6848 lol nice joke....

[@HK94]

CASTRA 2, Cascom... this has the most potential of becoming my home.

[@Jasepo]

when your retirement comes

[@HK94]

@Jasepo LOL. Kick off my work boots after tending to my Space Cowes and drink a cup or coffee looking that gorgeous planetary ring. Yea, it wouldn't be such a bad deal AS retirement goes...

[@ph11p3540]

I want to live on Cassel, Goss System

[@rots3123]

​@@ph11p3540 same, wanna live long enough to witness it released

[@elwhapposanchez7926]

levski was always my favorite place. glad to see it back can't wait.

[@Toutvids]

I spent a lot of time at Levski back in the day.

[@elise3455]

Hopefully it won't be a 5 FPS experience now 😬 (3.0 flashbacks 😰)

[@mr_nate8911]

This made me go watch my old recordings of that place from the time I had fun exploring it to compare and contrast what they had back then to the things they made changes to it now

[@Prophet-Icyllusion]

Impressive. All of it. Saw this game a decade ago and thought it was a pipedream. Truly groundbreaking art and craftsmanship. Such care should be studied and emulated at all levels of humanity.

[@PatEagle787]

The new Levski looks gorgeous, and so does the new Sherman landing zone.

[@JFrombaugh]

It’ll be really interesting to see what role Castra will play in the 1.0 story, now that we know growing tensions between Earth & Terra will be a big part of it. I’m wondering if we’ll see the Xi’an and/or Imperator Addison (she’s originally from Oya, another Perry Line system) make an appearance.

[@Jasepo]

who TF are those?

[@Dekartz]

Probably not in either case. They'll maybe get mentions but I doubt we'll be seeing any Xi'an in 1.0 or the imperator at all.

[@AChungusAmongUs]

Everything about this presentation was fantastic. I'm crossing my fingers and hoping we see all or most of it before 2025 is out.

[@Tazaiplusfail]

Levski! We are so back.

[@Aniqiewan]

I need the Nyx and Castra music 🙏

[@Arakasi0]

I love Concept Citizen

[@O-.-O]

It's Speculative Citizen now 😂

[@AlexanderduMoulin-wm5uf]

​@@O-.-Onah just buggy citizen

[@ph11p3540]

This is more art than astronomical realism but this is necessary for a game to hold attention. Real asteroid fields are extremely dispersed by thousands of miles between asteroids, which would get boring really fast to explore.

[@DanielDuese]

29:23 Chefsalaaaaaaaat

[@d3v-x64]

👩‍🍳🥗

[@juliomontega2868]

Arg! Can't unhear anymore!

[@DanielDuese]

@@juliomontega2868 Sorry 😅🫶

[@krz9000]

Oder watt!!

[@CrzBonKerz21]

I LOVE this game’s art style.

[@SpaceDad42]

Yeah, I saw the worm in 2016.

[@Aztaable]

Did you see the worm with a working gameplay demo in 2016?

[@toberkulosis]

@@Aztaable it took 8 years for a working gameplay demo?

[@Nick-GR]

@@Aztaable Denial is the most predictable human behavior.

[@epiclittleman90]

​@@toberkulosisIs the whole game just Monster Hunter to you?

[@networknomad5600]

@@epiclittleman90 The whole game is just garbage to us. If you can even call it a "game".

[@sergarlantyrell7847]

Is that Morphologis sitting in the front row?

[@Roi55]

yes it was!

[@ramim.j2091]

Cascom and Sherman are majestic!

[@Dargini]

I basically heard the systems as Highsec, Lowsec, and Nullsec

[@henkechristoph]

28:42 what is this masterpiece of music?! omg

[@krz9000]

The title is ...chefsalaaat... im told

[@Jawsofhana]

Until I see some working npcs moving about their day, and actual gameplay at these fantastic but empty locations, I'll continue being sceptic.

[@1scrub2]

Looks amazing. Lets see 4.0 first!

[@74med]

HYPE !! Activated !! 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@xIzzyIVx]

Dope Arc corp has a dungeon

[@TheGhettoGinger]

I like the idea of instanced content being down on a planet but being only a small part of it. Solo and casual players will enjoy that if they don't have a lot of time to play but want to do something in the PU to earn rewards. I'm also excited to hear that there will be faction missions. Disappointed there was no mention of Data Running missions for the MSR, that's the game loop I'm most excited about.

[@Ragnarswe]

Yes-yes, everything that was presented at this years CC was awsome. Indeed, this is was backers wants. The question is when! And all of this is pointless without server-meshing. Will some of us be alive when all of this is released?

[@Berkshire-Hathaway]

I am absolutely hyped! :D

[@4jup4ter4]

@16:13 I can't wait to hear more about Landing Zone Municipal Works.

[@simonknibbs5867]

Will it be possible to travel between systems and locations via taxis or troop transports from NPC's? If either myself or a group wanted to play as FPS focused hired guns following warzones and aligning with factions. Could we travel without a ship? I wanted to do a similar thing as an Imperial operative in E:D, but it isn't possible.

[@leifelliott3615]

Yes. There's several ships just for hauling people around; on planet, planet to moons/stations. Planet to planet. And star to star. Real-time travel times. So, read a book or whatever.

[@helloitsjay38]

Lets go Nyx! looking forward to stealing vanduul weapons for... uh reasons.

[@swmark78]

I can't wait to see what progress they've made on these systems in CitCon 2030!

[@RakasansLegacy]

Hearing the ole Levski music sure brings back memories..

[@Zigeuninja]

"Look guys here's what comes after that one update we've been announcing but keep pushing back for years. But THIS time you can totally trust us.."

[@ML-yn9yu]

Pyro was suppose to be released how long ago?

[@Zigeuninja]

@@ML-yn9yu 2020 I think

[@epiclittleman90]

They built the tech to build the worlds. Everything up until now has been "expanding our assets continuously"

[@limmbow]

you need to buy an idris first

[@Jasepo]

@@ML-yn9yu 2019 I remember

[@edcrosbie4651]

Well the title of the event is... unironically appropriate!!! Yall been conned.

[@essemesmo]

Sherman will become a military facility has the star Citizen story evolves, i bet you

[@LazorzPewPew]

Amazing!

[@Jamie-666]

Superb

[@dylanpersson4578]

It's so good I'm buying an Idris now!

[@HansangVibration]

I want to see more alien architecture, like Vanduul and Xi'an's, but also Banu. It would make or break the game for me. Right now it seems VERY focused on military, american style. I'd like more variety: oriental, japanese, african, aztec, indian vibes... This game feels like a big "America". Not a single Cathedral, when my town of 500 people has two. You should visit Europe if this is the best you can dream for space. And, as a scientist, Planets (and space) are A LOT more varied than that. Seas of metals, rains of diamonds, entire planets made of water, ruby rains, neutron stars, black holes at the center of solar systems, rays of cosmic radiaton as long as the milky way... It feels like the imagination of the devs is really narrow. Especially when the wheather panel talked about rain, sandstorms and possibly snow. Do they even know of Snowing Oxygen? Or Molten Ruby storms? Or clouds reaching 2500 degrees, making them floating lava? Thousand-years storms creating floating plasma in the atmosphere? Or heck, just a plain a** aurora borealis (just the atmosphere being hit by solar activity). Do i need to go on?

[@krz9000]

Props to pedro!

[@martin-gaming]

I like the Sherman soundtrack can i get it somewhere?

[@WrenPhoenix]

I mean the 'Island in the sky' looked cool but what strategic or tactical value would it be to build off the side of a jagged mountain pinnacle? Is the lower atmosphere so dense it makes flight dangerous?

[@thenomad2700]

These are some of my guesses.The taller the mountain, the easier it would be to reach space from there. High ground advantage since it's a mountain and less resources used for lifesupport since we are not in space. The "docking area" extending off the mountain might make it easier for Capital ships to dock.

[@WrenPhoenix]

@@thenomad2700 If you are going for rapid deployment of capital warships I would think an orbital station would be better, if you wanted to go for defensive capabilities building underneath the mountain would make more strategic sense, one shot on top would cause the rest of the mountain to fall down into the docking area...?

[@Dekartz]

@@WrenPhoenix Counter-orbital guns being higher up also has a bit of an advantage I'd imagine.

[@redsamurai6586]

14:17 Anyone know what ship that is, thought Mole....Just curious

[@Duy1P3]

who did the score for the sherman station presentation?

[@briansterling5912]

Be great if we could just get "BEYOND" the constant 30K crashes since 3.24.2 dropped.

[@walkir2662]

That flight to Sherman reminds me of theLighting of teh Beacons so hard. Gondor calls for Aid!

[@onicogrant]

Ima keep my expectations real low.. they have a thing for hyping u up and not delivering right now you can't even play the game..

[@justalex4214]

Yeah, that's the right attitude. When I saw the thunderstorm video I was like "right, we'll get a massively stripped down version of that ingame with the promise of a rework sometime in the future"

[@guynamedmaggi5520]

I left for a year and all that I've seen changed is MM and a okay new UI

[@user-u1j6i]

anyone remember the lamp post in the center of Delamar?

[@ashcosmo3854]

10 years of development and the second system is releasing (which will need another 10 years to flesh out).. amazing work.

[@firehazard4065]

it's been a year and rockstar is still cooking but patience is all we need

[@EdadTace]

Insetead of beyond pyro, how about we just start with pyro?

[@Synthmilk]

Pyro is done, what should the devs be doing instead, sitting on their hands?

[@quadeappenheimer8135]

They already have the Terra and Magnus jump points in Stanton

[@IndigoSun-hz6cq]

How many servers are needed for say a 70% total player base online?

[@luxiet2518]

How about beyond 30K every 15 minutes? :)

[@BiosoniX]

maybe one day some part of the city out sice will be playable , i do hope ,imagine driving a car in area 18, i want more reasons to not have an armor

[@rockumo]

Conclude - We are making A new Levski and scraping the old one...

[@Phoenix_Enterprises]

The asteroid base concept is acceptable...

[@PlushGrenade]

i wonder what the hiccups during the walk cycles are?

[@ManusShaunicus]

As exciting as all this is, it’s just dreams and fantasy. Player run space stations and an in-game economy? Wonderful. How are the systems that support these things being worked on? Are they almost finished? Or is this just a concept that you’re aiming for in development but are still working out how to make a reality? With how unstable the game currently is, is spending so much effort concepting and grey-boxing these end game space stations not just building houses on foundations of sand?

[@kern77]

Wouldn't the majority of systems be "discovered" by astronomers sometime before that date? We see now many systems that we're not even close to. Maybe "exploration date".

[@CanoeBoi]

15:28 hyped o.o

[@sentinelcorps]

7:39 What is this? A hint??? 😏 Or just false hype like most CitizenCons turn out afterwards...

[@vulcan4d]

Im ready for you to melt my GPU.

[@Doomguy-777]

No more money from me till Pyro.

[@ivanov-design]

I think Pedro plays a ton of Destiny 😅

[@Brather2]

Fertilizer FTW!!!!

[@Paga969]

❤❤ 🙏🇫🇷

[@masonmax1000]

the depths sounds like GTFO the game but in sc awesome.

[@D1CE579]

Any news on the live servers 3.24.2 is a mess.

[@123Andersonev]

hotfixes are literally already in.

[@antoniopaivadasilva2716]

They got better. I was able to play for hours on 1 server

[@epiclittleman90]

UPDATE, ITS STILL AN ALPHA

[@PilotXY]

@@epiclittleman90 UPDATE, IT HAS BEEN FOR A DECADE

[@basedsketch4133]

Counting my 30k into the 30k that happened so far

[@scurnow875]

Where is the other 95 systems? Are they going to be released in the next 10 years?

[@straven1662]

lol the station they removed years ago? Based on pyro, nyx like 5 years from release…

[@thomassaunders8149]

They took it out of Stanton and the planetoid they toss it on and just put it in the asteroid it’s supposed to be in and made the system it’s from. Probably wasn’t high priority to get that system done for without server meshing. That’s my best guess, probably why it’s in the after pyro video.

[@juliomontega2868]

@@thomassaunders8149 Yup, and Pyro is the first test for server boundary transition and meshing. They need to nail that, to get other systems act as their own server regions.

[@Jasepo]

Why don't CIG just release the game as it is and built upon it? Like expansions? Pyro Expansion, Sherman Expansion, and so on... It's like WoW wouldn't be released yet because we still have some more continents to build and flesh the story out.

[@moebeans72]

It’s mainly cost. The money they’ve received is relatively low all things considered. It’s also not released because released games are expected to have little bugs, something CIG cannot afford right now. It would just be a waste of time and money since the game breaks every 1-3 patches

[@logicalChimp]

Once it's 'released' they have to stop wipes... which means they can't easily make sweeping changes to existing functionality to support new stuff (this was one of the issues Frontier ran into with ED expansions, iirc). CIG *also* need to finalise the engine and networking etc (no point spending lots of time polishing something up for 'release' if you're going to bin it shortly after), so they may as well keep adding as much as they can whilst the core engine team finish the engine. That's why 1.0 is a cut-down version, compared to everything 'promised' at Kickstarter - it's the smallest version they think they can get to a playable state whilst still completing the engine and other 'core' or essential activities.

[@TheGhettoGinger]

@@logicalChimp The frequent wipes are basically why I stopped playing for now. I bought a few expensive ships that I was proud to finally own and then a couple months later an update wiped it all including most of my credits. Love the game but I just can't find a reason to play regularly if all my progress will be gone. Feels a little hollow. Still excited for what's to come but I've take more of a backseat. I've spent my fair share of money to support the game, and I'm very much excited for SQ42.

[@hansyolo9649]

We're going home 🥲

[@DamienRamirez]

"Better & Better Rewards" This is where the Issue of SC as a MMO comes into play, Can you actually carry those rewards? Not likely especially when it involves further progression loops.

[@edcrosbie4651]

Oh neat a ship NFT store! 🙄

[@shaddouida3447]

Squadron 42 DLC Story Update

[@joker_g7337]

10 years waiting for my BMM. That's all I can see.

[@guynamedmaggi5520]

Didn't the team for it leave I wonder if they found replacements yet.

[@moebeans72]

They’re trying to get it fully feature complete while also implementing a ton of former ambition into the game. Hopefully it comes out soon because 10 years is a long time (duh)

[@juliomontega2868]

@@moebeans72 With what we saw on the trade terminal integration on settlements, i bet the BMM and Kraken Privateer will only be scheduled after the first iteration of player owned trade terminals came online.

[@Ravage2734b]

and do what with it?

[@doubleohdutch2108]

"We present to you our new Nose Hair Removal Engine 14.0, now with ray tracing" We'll start all over. AGAIN.

[@BlakTygr]

Wow...that was a very awful attempt at trolling. Spare us by sticking to your day job

[@O-.-O]

@@BlakTygr The joke is that it's your day job 😂

[@BlakTygr]

@O-.-O No, the joke is you have been in just about every video concerning Star Citizen and Squadron 42 hating like some unemployed troll. Get off your mom's internet and get a job. You should probably seek professional psychiatric help to find a healthier solution to your miserable personality. Instead of trying to make yourself feel better by making others feel miserable.

[@BlakTygr]

@O-.-O lame.....I guess the OP learned how to troll from you. My previous advice applies to you also.

[@15bleach51]

Can you place some mutants in the sewer?

[@huskerdooo8556]

REMEMBER ANTHONY TANAKA

[@JohnMichaelson]

Two systems down, 98 to go.

[@guynamedmaggi5520]

Only took a decade to get this far

[@z3roninja565]

Theyre not doing 100 systems anymore, theyre shooting for like 5 at launch

[@Toutvids]

@@z3roninja565 I said that years ago. 100 systems was when they were making simple scripted landing zone planets like in Freelancer. There's no way they can make 100 with the huge planets they have now.

[@alexb115]

100 systems was when they were jpegs with on-rail atmosphere entry and landing aka Starfield / Star wars outlaws, hiding the loading time like outlaws does with "flashy" entry. You could not land anywhere you wanted on a planet, nothing was seamless. Scope has changed totally. 100 systems with the size of planets they have now would make the MMO dead, everyone would be too spread out. Starfield, NMS and Elite dangerous have also taught the lesson that more is not necessarily better.

[@moebeans72]

If it was actually 98 to go no one would be able to play star citizen in the future 😭

[@KrazzyFrank-LOL]

4.0 will come someday for SC. What a joke. They have been saying for years that it's coming the following year, like for the last five years, as 42 was to be out like seven years ago. Remember when they announced the game in 2012 and said it would be out in 2014? And every year, when it comes close to that time, they add another two years, lol. Fools love being milked. Only 5-star systems when they promised over 100, and the game was to be completed within 4-7 years from the start date, and it's been almost 13 years now and a billion dollars later.

[@SpaceDad42]

Yeah, let’s even get to pyro first. How bout that?

[@rashonkelly3598]

Exactly they are trying to distract us

[@kenshi_cv2407]

I mean we’re in testing at the moment, even being pessimistic it physically can’t be more than 6 months out.

[@moebeans72]

Better to have a plan. Helps give the future of the game a shape

[@Noodle-Ninja]

​@@moebeans72 How many years of planning needed so that our children can play it?

[@moebeans72]

@@Noodle-Ninja that’s impossible to answer until the final update for SC is announced

[@theninedivides6851]

Beyond Pyro? We havent even made it to Pyro yet lol and this is the second time about the worm. Please just give us Pyro already

[@BigBobBlazer]

You can't be "beyond" something that you haven't fully released in the first place. CIG rhetoric pretends that it's accomplished more than it really has. Makes it appear to others that it has clout.

[@tarran6176]

Waste need to be address, why is there no money with getting rid of it.

[@Unmannedair]

I got to say, not thrilled about the idea of cig adding dungeon crawls to the game

[@SigurdFlaatten]

"Star Citizen will have thousands of star systems you can explore and discover!" Two decades later : "We've improved play space and done reworks in three of the five places you can go." I mean it does look incredible, but we are probably two more decades away from having half the promise of the initial campaign. As a golden ticket backer, this was my check-in for 2024. See you in a comment field somewhere in 2025-35 too!

[@sergarlantyrell7847]

I wish they would stop the obviously scripted 'pause for applause' and cheering at every other sentence and that the presenter would just cut the fluff trying to hype the crowd. When you show them something cool, or announce something significant, they will cheer naturally. But take it from someone who frequently does public speaking, that sort of manufactured drama & engagement usually just disturbs the flow of the presentation and gives it an inauthentic vibe. I know it's difficult to write a presentation for both a live audience and an at home audience, but if you wanted extra engagement, you could add a quick Q&A/feedback at the end. Food for thought.

[@unclevane]

Fix bugs first!!!!

[@CaptainMcFly1]

Squadron 41.5 for iphone pls

[@mrjames7426]

all lie, we will never play like that. we will never have all thous features

[@FollowTheFreeman]

What a clown show this all is. Gotta market to the annual fresh meat I guess.

[@RobertP-zk8vh]

who was breathing into the mic

[@Sentan555]

But I can't even play due to 30k

[@Loganzist]

Wow, just more fantastical carrot on the stick so people will spend more money to a game that will never come out Squad 42 is a legend. He done last year supposed to be out the end of this year, but they went ahead and penalized us for finding out and moving it up two more years, there is a class action suit up there if anybody wants to find it

[@tallll70]

instanced areas not for me, i'm in this for open space, not for closed interiors we had in decades of gaming in past, good addition for others who care for such thing

[@magvad6472]

Disappointed in how little we saw Nyx. Hype about how good that asteroid belt looked, however Nyx is a lot more than just 1 belt....right CIG? Right? Just like Pyro was a lot more than Ruin Station...right cig?!

[@logicalChimp]

Not really... unless they've retconned it, Nyx doesn't have any noteworthy planets, nor landing zones (aside from Levski), or even big stations... Aside from that, I'll be (happily) surprised if we get Nyx live before next CitCon, so this way they can provide more information on Nyx next year, without (overly) repeating themselves, etc :p

[@magvad6472]

@@logicalChimp I mean you could say the same thing about Pyro so I think they are gunna retcon it.

[@anzdes219]

nice try diddy