Citroen C3: Lost In Translation

Are we, the Indian car buyers, complicated? How well do car manufacturers from other countries understand us? New to India is French car maker Citroen. How have they decode us while creating the C3 their first mass market offering? Have they cracked the India code? Their history is packed with innovations and inspirational moments, does it show in the Indian experience?
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CHAPTERS
00:00-00:31 Misconceptions About Us
00:32-00:56 The Playbook & C3
00:57-01:30 Trust In New Brands
01:31-02:04 Product Makes or Breaks
02:05-02:51 Be Bold
02:52-03:27 Modern Is Must
03.28-4:28 Experience is King
04.29-5:29 The Misses
05.30-6:09 Price vs Value
06.10-7:10 Verdict
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[@SirKart]

Hello MotorInc Fam! It's been fantastic to see the appreciation for the C3! I sit in the same boat - to drive, to be driven around in the C3 is incredibly admirable. I expect it to be hassle free to own too. It's a car I would like to see centre stage, on a pedestal, with a spotlight on it. Instead, it feels like it's tripping over itself in the wings. The value equation needed to be stronger - do check out the Nissan Magnite/Renault Kiger. Those of you who own a C3 or plan to get one - would love to know how you made that decision, like - 1) How far is the dealer? 2) Thoughts on the brand 3) What was a must have for you 4) What won you over? Thanks a ton in advance. I really hope the C3 gets the shot it deserves. Thanks + lou.

[@SirKart]

@@sathyaki oh darn! Ruined it, didn’t I!

[@VJ38]

Iam driving C3 since Jan2023. A great car , perfectly happy with it, after driving many leading brands in India and abroad for last 30 years.

[@h_m_bhat]

I never even thought a car could be reviewed like this 😮 Soooo good. With 100s of traditional channels out there, you guys are really out-of-the-box. So mesmerising. I really like the soft, calmness, editing & the story telling. U guys are really fascinating when it comes to seeing an automobile from very different perspectives. Be it in reviews, or Podcasts. Thanks for helping us in such way of thinking. And a special highlight is not adding the heavy electronic sounds, BGM where volume goes up & down for B-rolls. Keep up with it ❤👌🏼

[@motorinc]

Thank you so much Mr B!

[@auto_nomad]

Why don't you make a video on, "Why great car manufacturers Like Fiat, Ford, GM with great cars had to leave Indian Market".

[@Dsvkd]

Because people buying their cars only in comment section

[@vzvish357]

bcz, unlike Hyundai/Kia, they failed to catch the pulse of Indian Automobile Market

[@ayush885]

Your question is incomplete, better question would be why these American brands had to leave multiple markets of the world like India, Europe, Japan, South Africa, etc?

[@zenjm6496]

Fiat, they made great cars, Indians loved it, yet they didn't upgrade their portfolio and had to shut shop. Look at how many times they came to India. Same with GM. Sub par products from China is not going to work in India is it. They were highly inconsistent as a brand. Be it Opel, or Chevrolet. Next is Ford. They came with Good products and high maintenance costs. Even though eventually they kind of fixed it, they blew their money elsewhere. They build a plant that was not at all necessary for India. On top of that, it became clear that they can make more profit by selling few cars in the US than by selling a lot in India. So they left. We never got any real Fords or Chevrolets. Most were European models.

[@auto_nomad]

Ye comment tume logo ke liye hai he nahi. Kisike pooche Bina Gyan Dena shuru☕

[@animat126]

The C3 is a great car that should be considered. Great value. The Shine variant addresses the biggest drawback of missing features. It is easily recommended for the good ride and handling and engines and great price. Now, they should add one more variant that has all the remaining premium features. It would be just great. Of course, they should follow up with a good service network.

[@motorinc]

Fingers crossed! Where are you based? And how far is the closest a service/showroom?

[@satyakamkar3029]

Have done a test drive of the C3 Turbo. Coming from a Diesel Swift, the car really brought a smile... Nay, a grin on my face. I was harking about the cars prowess (engine response, the chassis, the comfort) all week to my colleagues at work. But, it was exactly those missing elements which have stopped me from picking it up. You can ask my nephew who's about to start working for you. Hope the C3 Aircross gets it alright

[@motorinc]

Hullo! We will ask! And welcome to the family. So glad to hear about your experience. Cars should put a smile on your face!

[@martinvkumar1]

I too have Swift Diesel. Does the C3 turbo vibrate at idle speed? I am from Faridabad Haryana and there is no show room here.

[@avikandavik]

Production quality is at a different class...kudos to the team.

[@motorinc]

Thank you Avik!

[@leotaurus8]

really though? i think even the Filipino guy @AutodealPh does better than them.

[@motorinc]

We're still learning L&T 😊

[@greensoulsGB]

This review represents "NEW INDIA". Indians are not stingy. We are Sharp. C3 seems like a highhanded product offering to a third world country which existed 20yrs ago.

[@hawkeye4359]

Would love a long term review on Kartik’s Ignis. Something like Shumi’s 390

[@motorinc]

Heya! Thanks for asking! Will pass the message along..

[@SADHU1482]

I own a C3 feel NA. The car is really great. The build quality is excellent(have had multiple minor accidents and the c3 survived with just scratches). I use it almost everyday for office and weekend tours. I was on a very tight budget, and I am super happy with what Citreon delivered. Its way better than a Maruti hands down. I would want to upgrade next to a C3 aircross automatic as my family is getting bigger.

[@paidimarryprithvirakshaksh8153]

Man, the videos these guys are posting and the EDITOR. A big round of applause for the editor, the director ...the content is sooo soothing that I don't even feel like skipping. Been following you and shuumi since ages but am getting this feeling of freshness ❤

[@Iminit4matador]

You've so eloquently expressed what a million others are feeling about this fresh approach. Beginning from the costumes, to the sets, the lighting, the tone, the script...it's so refreshing.

[@motorinc]

Hello Mr 8153 - thank you and thank you! ❤️!

[@motorinc]

And Chrys - thank you for appreciating Mr 8153. It’s epic if you. ❤️

[@Wuantum]

I guess their editor is this extremely talented RohanYadav. Brilliantly done!

[@Hermit090]

Citreon is just like thier famous French queen Marie Antoinette whose famous quote was "let them eat cakes" (while the french people were suffering) in same retrospect for India Citroen must have thought "let them drive very cheap"..

[@ayush885]

Honestly though, for me the shine variant adds everything I need, I don't like the keys and the instrument cluster, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.

[@dgupta42]

Now imagine if it had LED lights, a proper instrument cluster and keyless entry, how many more people will the same car appeal to! The C3 is a solid car, held back by its own maker. Indians are also wary of cars that don't sell well. We have seen top carmakers from big countries come into India and go back, leaving the buyers in a lurch. So, we tend to distrust carmakers who can't seem to find sales numbers success in India. We worry they will also be forced to close down in India.

[@motorinc]

Mr dgupta- so spot on!! Hope Citroen are reading this.

[@freneticlokesh]

Took a test drive of Ignis, Tiago, Altroz, i10 and c3 and c3 turbo. Felt really happy to drive the turbo, missing tacho or the lack of good (even basic needle meter) instrument cluster left me baffled. Other things i can easily live with. I'm still in the process of making a decision, but my heart is for the Turbo. Honestly, i don't like cars with electronics loaded to the brim. It's just waste to me, I want a fun and robust car which is reasonably priced. Also, I like the charm of spotting some cars in the endless sea of staid ones. I think I can live with this! I think they should make C3 turbo more accessible (price wise).

[@motorinc]

Fantastic! You have your formula in place!

[@kaushalgupta9866]

They definitely negotiate, try looking for offers you can easily reduce 50-75k!!

[@Bsgeducation]

lets forget about the car , but the way you delivered your content is really impressive Best wishes to the team

[@motorinc]

Thank you so much!

[@NikhilMaurya10]

I have the C3 Turbo and I really like the car. This car is easily the best in the segment. Regarding the misses it actually shows that Indians don't have their money where their mouth is. They will say, give me a good car I don't mind features but when that car comes everyone starts to look at their neighbours cars.

[@deepaksrinivasmondal]

Absolutely spot on!

[@motorinc]

Hey Nikhil! Your level of maturity is level next! Glad you are there. And we will get there. But, there are some functional aspects like a reversing camera, six airbags and an automatic transmission which are needed very often. Agree?

[@petrosexualdesign]

I think the C3 deserves more praise than the strong nitpicking here. It's got the makings of a truly brilliant package. A turbo 3 cylinder churning out 100+hp mated to a 6 speed manual at that price itself is bang for the buck.. especially if you're an enthusiast. That chassis feels stable, well built and that suspension is marvelous. Keeps bumps at bay and gives you confidence that none of the pseudo SUVs on sale would be able to give you. The infotainment system, the instrument cluster is minimal, quick, modern, light, neat and doesn't overwhelm you in anyway. It's a brilliant little fun hatch that has livened up the otherwise bland market at that price point. It's a good car, selling on capability and character rather than on a long list of features. Indians wanted more features on the C3 and now Citroen are bringing the Shine variants, which shows that Citroen listens to what the customers want. True, it misses out on some fancy features, but I don't think any of them are showstoppers in any way and could easily be fixed with a new update, only coz the foundations of that car are strong and is on point.

[@motorinc]

No arguing with its foundations - it’s an incredible machine. The base engine, the suspension, the seats - all are solid and sensible. If only it were that way in its positioning and pricing.

[@petrosexualdesign]

@@motorinc like Shumi once said.. the price is only relevant till the vehicle is out of the showroom.. after that, it's the vehicle that lives.. the price is no longer relevant. :D

[@motorinc]

Value is different. Two aren’t interchangeable. One is purely about money. The other is about satisfaction for price.

[@anuragkhaund8363]

The major phobia of people with any manufacturer new to Indian market is of the manufacturer exiting the market . Like Ford , Chevrolet etc. The reason KIA succeeded so quickly in Indian market is because they used the branding of their parent Hyundai really well and created a great sense of security with the public.

[@motorinc]

Kia benefitted from Hyundai's experience in India. But, their growth and success is down to the products - their appeal and value.

[@marksanyal]

The C3 highlights the "Indians are BUDGET conscious" mentality car brands have. However, if you look at the other side, the cars that cater to the "Indians are VALUE conscious" mentality are the best sellers. The Koreans have taken to loading features as their approach to value. The Japanese have reliability as their value add. The Germans have the value of build quality. The French haven't nailed down what they want their value to be for India. We saw it with Renault and now with Citroen. I am hopeful though that Citroen stays long enough to figure this out just so we finally get Peugeot here.

[@motorinc]

So which Peugeot are you looking forward to? 😁

[@dgupta42]

Confused strategy. The rare Citroen India dealers are in urban areas, yet no automatic with such good engines. the C3 (and its electric cousin eC3) should have been positioned as the comfortable urban car. The C3 makes you feel all over that it is designed to be cheap, yet the electric version is priced at a solid premium to its main rival. Somebody needs to take Citroen India/ Stellantis global team through the story of Tata Nano. A great car, killed by the fact that the maker positioned it as the cheapest car in the world, or the one lac rupee car. When the retail price after the initial offer was closer to 2 lacs. A car, even in the nano category, is still an aspirational product in India. Who wants to buy a car with their neighbours, friends and relatives thinking - Oh, poor guy could not afford a better car! Had it been marketed as the stylish small car for Indian cities yet strong enough to take on the town roads... Tata Motors might have become the largest carmaker in India! By now, we would have an electric nano, perfect for scooting around the neighbourhood, daily or weekend chores, short city commutes etc. That's the scale of the opportunity if you "get" the Indian consumer. Citroen needs a course correction, very quickly. We are not kind to the cars that fail initially and then try to recover. Go ask Honda about the Jazz story in India.

[@motorinc]

Fair points and well illustrated! Thank you.

[@mangalmurtibhosale]

Excellent analysis as usual!!! C3 turbo is a perfect VFM, hopefully they will do the same with C3 air cross. Expecting few things from Citroen, if they want to sustain in the Indian market: 1. Having at least 100 touch points in next 2 years 2. Launching 1 new car every year 3. Adding more value to the already launched cars

[@CheBa.]

I love the design and colors(stunning). Heard that the engine and comfort is good. Gets basic features. I'm considering it as my family's first car.

[@mmeettwwoo]

Shine turbo variant. All features. I booked.

[@hardeepsaini8725]

Yes, the comfort is good, seating position is good, but the gearbox is just bad. And missing techometer makes it even worse. Petrol version is Not quite impressive. eC3 is amazing

[@motorinc]

CheBa - It’s definitely worth considering and having if you can make peace with its misses. It’s great to drive and feels solid. Back seat and boot space are on the lower side though.

[@motorinc]

Mmeetwwoo - would love to know more - do you have a dealership near you? How did you choose C3. Would appreciate the insights. Thank you!

[@CheBa.]

@@motorinc Yes the dealership is in the next city which is just 2hrs away. It's the looks that got me and it fits under 10 lakhs. A lot of brands like Kia and MG are not in my city but in the next city. So it doesn't feel like a problem with Citroen. Considering the Shine Variant.

[@aakashchoudhuri]

Guys, could you make some video on Royal Enfield..? The way they've navigated through the decades of nostalgia coupled with questionable reliability, but now they seem to play the tune that an Indian buyer wants to listen. A success story of the brand would make a fantastic content on this channel.

[@motorinc]

Already on it! Stay tuned!

[@aakashchoudhuri]

@@motorinc Great...!! 🤓

[@dakshsaini3109]

The calmness of this channel always wows me

[@motorinc]

Thank you!

[@Sonic-Pristine]

Perfect Car, I don't mind the less tech (rather I love less techy cars) or so called "outdated" features. It's because its offering me the thing which I want that is the performance. CITROEN WELL DONE...

[@motorinc]

❤️✌🏽

[@sateeshkumarbandaru]

It's just impossible to ignore this video after looking at the name😂

[@motorinc]

😊❤️

[@prafulpnair1809]

After the price reveal of fronx, the C3 turbo looks more and more VFM although features may not be on par with fronx.

[@motorinc]

That engine is strong too!

[@raghavendra42]

C3 turbo discontinued. Only NA engine available now

[@deepaksrinivasmondal]

@@raghavendra42 They will re-launch it with the Shine variant in May.

[@suniluchil1304]

​@@raghavendra42 turbo is not discontinued it can't compete with nexon, breeza lxi in that price bracket.

[@SDRicky]

It is actually more torqy than what brezza offers . Although in Indian version citroen c3 turbo offers 110 bhp and 190 NM torque but outside with c4 it is capable of delivering around 130 bhp 230 NM. So literally the engine has good potential. Let's see how it is tuned in c3 aircross.

[@shafiazshafiaz]

I own a C3 NA car for about 7 months .., it's a great car to drive .., superb engine great comfort.., i would recommend to have a better instrument cluster speedometer, motorised mirror adjustment, rear glass defogger and rear wiper with washer is a must to have which is missing.., Rear view mirror I had fixed by using old scorpions it is fitter well with this car.., But one major issue is half clutch issue ( engine bite position) is a suicidal tuning.., on a 45degree slope a maruthi 800 will shy you away.., slow speed gear change demand is disgusting.., you will need to be in your first gear to overcome speed breaker.., I live in Bangalore and service personnel have no answer to this issue .., literally stopped using the car inside city and i use it only for long drives where it is happy to drive .., to cross Bangalore City i always start as early as possible by 4am from Bangalore home.., I do not recommend buying this because of only one reason slow speed gear down demand. For the city commute if you are an owl you can go for it.

[@shafiazshafiaz]

I should have bought turbo made a mistake

[@motorinc]

Hi! Thanks so much for sharing this with all of us. It seems a bit bizarre though. Hopefully some other owners could comment here of their experience.

[@shafiazshafiaz]

I have been asking the service personnel to tune the clutch for user friendly so that I can use it inside City as well but they refused to tune.., For comparison a massive bolero Neo would cross speed break in third gear..,

[@The21stCenturyEngineer]

I was waiting for an input about Citroen from you for months now….thank you so much.

[@motorinc]

Thank you for waiting.. which all cars are you looking at?

[@ramkumars3806]

Sry to hog on someone else’s comment, but would love to see your take on Ford Freestyle

[@motorinc]

Hey RamKumar! Hopefully Mr Panwar doesn’t mind.. 😆 We’ll have to find a willing and generous soul to let us shoot one. Or are you looking buy used?

[@Iminit4matador]

Love your excellent analysis of why C3 is facing a dead-end after early-adopters drove the initial numbers. Citroen should've ideally looked at wooing the typical Alto & Kwid buyer or that conscious used-car buyer by offering a far better appointed base version, in addition to hitting all the misses you've so perfectly mentioned.

[@motorinc]

Thank you for watching!

[@varunnarayan2898]

Please have a video where you begin with Citroen c3 aircross automatic with an Aisin's torque converter, how this automatic stacks up with others like DCT. Why we talk or not talk about where the gears and engines are sourced from. Please consider doing that episode.. eagerly looking forward to it :) thank you

[@m3llowman]

I am not into cars but I am watching, liking, and commenting for the algorithm. Goooo MotorInc..

[@motorinc]

Wow! Thank you! We do appreciate it. But we don’t’ the lo with the algorithm. We’d rather reach the right people than more people 😊

[@passionandcommonsense]

Mah man Karthikeya 🙌🏼…. Such a nuanced review 👍🏼 and shot so well. That is the one thing that I keep forgetting to mention in my other comments - you guys have really upped the production value with MotorInc. Compared to the old videos from OD and Zigwheels and PD, the footage here is next level. While I love listening to Karthikeya and Shumi, these videos are a pleasure to watch even with the audio turned off. A big kudos to your camera, sound, and edit teams.

[@motorinc]

Hola sah! Thank you for the appreciation for our friends behind the scenes. They are genius! Will pass on the message to them. Thank you again!

[@kalachar]

Most of the features are actually corrected (hopefully) with the shine variant. Better late than never I guess..

[@motorinc]

Most. Not all. And flap type door handles. That instrument cluster on a near 10 Lakh rupee car?

[@kalachar]

@@motorinc Instrument console is really an eyesore for sure. In other countries C3 have got full instrument console and in India we got only a part of it (Speedometer part). Citroen is probably confused between ' value' and price. And most of all aspirational value in India about cars.

[@motorinc]

It is a pity!

[@ferozkhan1986]

Very unique content, emotional

[@motorinc]

Thank you for the encouragement!

[@dhhavs]

If it jus gets a great automatic maybe with paddle shifters, thats all that is needed nd Maybe a fully digital instrument cluster like kiger!!

[@motorinc]

💯

[@trideep220280]

It's refreshing that someone isn't fawning over a brand on their reviews. Keep the honesty

[@motorinc]

Sigh, we would still fawn over its engineering. The pricing and positioning.. not so much. And, thank you!

[@vikasdevda2466]

Way the content delivered was ❤ Gr8. C3 must be updated with at least all adjusting head rests , folding mirrors and very importantly Amt or Automatic transmission

[@motorinc]

❤️

[@microsoftmath]

Too much going into the video. Not sure why the subtitles is playing in a video when you can hear it

[@motorinc]

Oh? Please tell us more on what's bugging you?

[@aadityaacharya4]

Surely one of the most underrated car and brand in India. Look forward to C3 aircross

[@motorinc]

Great to know that!

[@dr.Nobody123]

They really need to add tachometer from c3 Aircross atleast as an accessory. Atleast it will complete the overall package.

[@motorinc]

What do you think of the Aircross? And it’s a Creta rival.

[@deshkabhaloo]

I adore my C3 Shine turbo. It drives beautifully. But man do the door handles bum me EVERY SINGLE TIME i get in the car!

[@sanketvarma3473]

Great video. For Indians, cars are not just a machine to travel from A to B. They are strongly connected with it. Their cars are their pride, status symbol, a visual evidence of progress and lifestyle upgrade. Yeah, people across the world are like this but we have more of it perheps. And hence, any car which is not upgrading itself fast enough and keeping pace with time will not work here (You will find fanbase of polo and ecosport also in small numbers and that class is also driven by same emotions as described above. They just have different traits of their car to be proud of). I think other people have connect with their cars same as Indians have with their two wheelers in general. But cars and Indians... It's different equation.

[@motorinc]

Glad to know you feel it too! Thanks for that refresher!

[@Goldie_568]

For a second i thought he was Telugu actor Nani 😂😂

[@motorinc]

🤣

[@dan2009009]

I’ve been contemplating on getting a C3 as my first car but the dealership is in Andheri and I stay in Thane, no service center around and moreover the absence of an automatic transmission!

[@motorinc]

Fair points!

[@ontheroad8149]

4:30 i thought the audio went bad! Great accent, monsieur!

[@motorinc]

Merci! 😆

[@theraildynasty_]

I am an owner of a C3 turbo, what a car to drive love it, it's a fantastic car with an awesome engine, yes it is a new brand so it will take time for the brand to grow in india as it will take time for Indians to build some trust especially when this car comes from a new brand with very less features, although they have introduced C3 shine with more features so yes they are improving, but it will take time, although a car enthusiast like me will love the C3 turbo, fantastic car to drive, also they are expected to bring a 6 speed torque converter later this year, they should have brought C3 shine and torque converter at the very beginning rather bringing it in phases, but let's see what happens, all the best to Citroen india.......

[@motorinc]

Fantastic! Would love to know about your journey with the C3. With you - all the best to Citroen.

[@Vikramdithya]

Quality i chose to watch - 1080 Quality of content MotorInc chose - ♾️❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥❤️‍🔥

[@motorinc]

Thank you so much for that message! ❤️

[@karandex]

Aren't you guys being bit pretentious? We want our cars to be different to show off but cheap to run and maintain. We want points to show off to our neighbours and friends with "buzz words" may that be adas, sunroof or safety or nationalism. Sab bikta hai. What matters is balance log kya kahenge and what can he/she afford

[@motorinc]

If what you’re saying is true, Karan. Then we aren’t being pretentious… all of us are pretentious no? 😊

[@MrLanmx]

The quality of your content is irresistibly good, pure delight. The more I watch the more I want. Your presentation is unique, relatable, effortless. Simplicity at its best. This screams perfection, years of experience paying off…thank you very much. The car itself is meh. Sorry to be so blunt. I took a test drive and my experience was not the best. This probably boils down to the fact that I have been associated with Vw for far too long to be spoiled with beauty, performance and quality.

[@motorinc]

Thank you for being with us MrLM! Which VWs have you had? Thanks for sharing!

[@MrLanmx]

@@motorinc I had a 2019 polo Comfortline, 2020 polo TSI, and currently a Taigun GT manual.

[@shobhitbora8237]

Please do a review of what you feel about c3 aircross

[@robertosimoes4617]

Greetings from Brazil, yes we have the same car sold here, the Citröen C3 1.0 Fiat 1.0 Firefly, here we have to buy it at the price of USD$ 15.000,00 Dollars....

[@motorinc]

Oh wow! That's a lot of money!

[@robertosimoes4617]

@@motorinc yep lot of Money, LOL a Lamborghini Huracan here will cost USD$ 1.000.000,00 Dollars wow thats a much of money.

[@TheLucknowWalla]

Citroen could have focused on the sheer quality and the actual driving experience, rather than being slaves to fashion with this whole "hatchback with SUV styling cues" thing. An old Honda Jazz hatchback drives better than any of these new-fangled SUV-wannabe hatchbacks that are being launched these days

[@AmalDevYT]

You guys can make subtitles for your videos

[@motorinc]

Just hit the CC button on YT? It works quite well for our videos, so we stopped making subtitles for them

[@kaushalgupta9866]

I love the car, I recently purchased it before the price hike for 7.2lac, feel non turbo, no other car is even around in price+performance.❤

[@motorinc]

Congratulations! Do keep all of us here posted on how it goes!

[@roshanak3307]

7.2 is exshowroom price?

[@kaushalgupta9866]

@@roshanak3307 You've got to negotiate, and look for offers, when I purchased in march they were clearing the bs6.1 stock so I got 90k discount which I extended up to 1 lac. and I negotiated heavily on insurance as I knew what is required saved 15k there. also added the reverse camera for free, since they are selling less, they are always trying to give some sort of discount, now bs6.2 model is more expensive but keep these things in mind, it might help.

[@Vikramdithya]

Why do i feel Baleno is a better option as they fall on same price bracket ?

[@motorinc]

We all have our preferences! And the Baleno is a solid all rounder. All the best for your new car!

[@deepeshkatiyar1]

This channel will blow up by the year end

[@motorinc]

Once again, thank you!

[@Jeru_on_the_road]

Dont mind my french !!! But what the duck rite!!! with the specs and the dashboard

[@motorinc]

C’est la vie!

[@karansgill]

Best thing about it is the comfort that it offers is unmatched in that price segment

[@motorinc]

It is very well engineered for our conditions. Suspension and seats will keep you comfy.

[@mindfreeze0838]

According to Citreon they want to localize their operations, hence if they arent making a certain car component in India, they arent going to sell cars with it.

[@motorinc]

Well, fair enough. But, critical bits need to be in place then.

[@santhoshramgunasekaran7050]

Looks like they shot this sometime back and posted just now. Some information isn't accurate. I'm already seeing the electrics in road.

[@motorinc]

Hey Santhosh, thanks for keeping us on our toes!

[@MDK2306]

Spot on and well put together. Being a Fiat fanatic (Stellantis) I was hoping Citroen would get it right and that would set the stage for a Fiat comeback. But the way they are going about it, they are not even in the game. Sure, the car has all the 'old' basics of a car right, be it the chassis, the powertrains, the practicality, but in India the aspirational aspects of a car matter more. Despite KIA, MG and even Hyundai being brands that were butt of all the jokes in the western markets they gave India importance and pampered Indians with features that made them succeed. The Western carmakers still continue to lack respect for Indian market with the exception of VW. Look at what Fiat has in terms of product line up in Brazil and its hard to believe that they lack the motivation to replicate that in India. Sad yet deserved failures.

[@warlxrd5317]

Ah. I can feel yo pain. I feel its a trait of "stellantis". They'll fine-tune the engine, chassis dynamics etc,but somehow manages to give up in overall product. Look at the punto abarth. What a car. No car beats that gem of a car till the date(except 1.6tdi/1.8tsi polo . Extremely personal opinions) . Ferocious engine (even though we got detuned version) excellent chassis dynamics, stupendous feedback from hyd steering. But guess what, all the effort was poured into kinda kinda end of the life punto. Nobody wasn't even considering in that time. Still the prices haven't came down(i do check prices weekly basis°_°) . Those abarth wheels 🦂wwaah!

[@MDK2306]

@@warlxrd5317 Yeah, the Abarth ❤️. I cannot thank my stars enough (don't know about the future) for getting myself one of those last ones 😊. Precious.

[@motorinc]

Hey MDK, the VW point is very solid - they changed course in the nick of time. And look all set for a proper innings now. Ido you think Citroen can fix things here?

[@MDK2306]

@@motorinc Can they? Yes. They have the time in their hands still considering the 'Citroen' brand is still new and isn't in the 'rubbished' or 'to be Ignored' list. Will they? I have doubts. Stellantis I feel is so busy in their EV transition push abroad that they do not have the resources to capitalise even with what they have for an India specific push. They have already missed some opportunities: 1. They did not launch the C3 with a fully loaded variant 2. They did not create a sporty 'GT', 'Sport' variant of the Turbo. Come on! A newly launched brand would have altleast tried to appeal to the youth and fill the void created by the Polo TSI pull out? 3. The electric C3 loses out against the Tigor and Tiago EVs. Atleast numbers create a perception as such. 4. Where is the marketing push for Citroen products? Its Fiat history repeating itself. I have seen only 3 Citroen C3s on the road till date. When you tell people about Citroen you get funny 'What's that?' looks. 5. Stellantis use two different Diesel engines of the same capacity for cars that compete in the same category. Wouldn't it be great to have the supposedly better Citroen diesel in the Compass or the Meridian. I can understand its not that easy, but come on, it should have been on the agenda for the 'not so far away' future.

[@MDK2306]

@@motorinc VW I can understand have the resources that Stellantis does not have 'for India' yet to come out with the 2.0 strategy and execute it to get good results is commendable. Also, Renault / Nissan I feel are quiet well with some good strategies. Gotta appreciate the fight they are putting up against the local and mostly Asian competition. The market needs variety to mature and not just a few 'Asian only' brands dominating.

[@melaniezette886]

In France these cars are made for point a to point b as cheaply as possible with low cost maintenance

[@akashjosephvarghese]

Will there be a facelift or automatic version coming soon? Shoud we wait for an upgrade?

[@jimmysanjana]

Do you have similar views about the Toyota Innova Hycross GX petrol ? Lots of misses at a very high price IMO.....

[@motorinc]

Toyota’s proven track record of service and resale + reliability of the product give it a sensible appeal. The problem is that they just haven’t introduced the petrol in the higher trims. Which they absolutely should.

[@antaresbnv3350]

Outstanding English, great orator, 👍

[@motorinc]

Thank you for that message! 🙏🏾

[@deepaksrinivasmondal]

Would disagree with this video. For the longest time I was feeling the same - Citroen has slightly missed the boat by not having a "top-end" variant. But I recently test drove the C3 Turbo and the eC3 and both of them seem like really good cars put together with a lot of thought. If Indians really cared about the stuff you are suggesting, the Magnite and Kiger would sell even more, but I think what matters (and should matter) is being comfortable in the city, given our bad roads. It's being able to feel safe. Is being able to drive around with ample power at hand. I love the touchscreen (which, sadly, even the Nexon misses - which they are correcting soon), and at 13 lakh rupees, there is simply no better electric alternative. It's a nice, peppy, fun, small car - perfect for Indian roads. LED headlamps are not at all a dealbreaker as you are making out to be, it just sounds shallow.

[@motorinc]

Happy to hear that! And we admire the C3 too. Just look at a comment from Nikhil - such a mature shopper. For him, the C3 is it. But, that is a minority. To get mass adoption it has to appeal to the masses first, after which they can discover the beauty of the machine. Hope that makes sense.

[@Cla55icG00se]

Indians DO care about the stuff the video is suggesting. That is why Kiger and Magnite are one of the best sellers for their brands. That is why Tata Nano failed. Putting tags like "build to a cost" and "for budget buyers" with the car is a sure formula for low sales in Bharat. Which Citroen did when the release interviews happened (Videos are on youtube). So whoever is buying it (I am sure there are 30-40 people in each city), will mostly go for the cheapest version and negotiate a lot. I live in bangalore and I have not seen a single shine/turbo variant on the road. 2 C3s I have seen in last 7 months were the base variant and were driven by 60+ years old people (at least they looked like 60+). Funnily enough my office is just above Stellantis office. All I see are 4 C5 Aircross parked in their parking lot. Even their own people dont drive C3s LOL. Jokes aside, I hope they find success. Always saying about "Best suspension" will only take you so far. The engine is also not best in class and "sporty" (I didnt feel the "excitement" other reviews and some people in the comments mentioned and 12 seconds to 100 is not sporty). Gearbox is lame. If other brands replace wood for suspension tomorrow, they will surely find instant success. Now that the latin NCAP results are out with ZERO stars for Brazilian model (Unlike others I doubt Indian model is better), more people will be turning away. And yes I know latin NCAP is very strict. Citroen India got their definition of "value" wrong. 10 Lakh maybe cheap/value for citroen, but for most of Bharat, its not. 10 lakh is a lot for average indian car buyers and they want to feel like they have spent that much on a car. So does their family. Citroen India lead was talking about how this is targeting young 19-28 year old people. Sadly for them its not europe, most 19-28 Indians cannot afford 10 Lakh rupees car. Those who can, they are well off anyways and they dont want the word "budget car" associated with their ride. This is what I see. They will just sell like 300-400 cars on a good month. Maybe that is what they are after. And yes, people will definitely buy the C3, but sadly owners will only remain in the comment section and very hard to find one IRL.

[@deepaksrinivasmondal]

@@Cla55icG00se I actually agree with everything you have said. What I was talking about was the eC3. I am in Bangalore too, and I have seen some eC3s going around (though I have seen way more Comets, and no questions about the Tata.evs). I haven't seen the interviews, but yes, saying "built for budget buyers" will never work in India. And I got to know about the Latin NCAP after I had written this comment, and I will never, ever recommend something that has 0 stars to anyone. So, yes, you are right.

[@ElectricVehiclePro-dr6ct]

I have driven and tested many cars in the past. But none gave me the satisfaction of owning my Citroen eC3. I had 02 Hyundai cars in the past. And Tata, Renault and Maruti in the family and with friends. They might be good in features. But the driving comfort and feel at this e/c3 price range, for me was a deal breaker. I have tried magnite and kiger both AMT and CVT transmission which simply was garbage when compared to eC3 drive quality. Brezza was good but didn't perform this well. Grand vitara with its 3 cylinder was not ideal with vibrations at low revs or while the engine started after the electric motor in the hybrid. In eC3 acceleration was well calibrated that the pull was gradual till 25 km/h, ideal for lady drivers and city traffic. Past which it just performs like anything. On rough roads, it feels like gliding which even Nexon couldn't match (my brother owns one). And it climbs effortlessly. Build quality is solid, you could feel it. Especially when compared to kiger and magnite. Maruti !! I might not have to explain, you know better. Citroen might lack in few features, for those who could look beyond that and considering that they are just new in the Indian market. Note It is a 100 year old company with many patents to their name. You could feel the brand quality. Though I was skeptical of the low spec of the motor when compared to tata EVs and it's profile. In the real-world it just performs so perfectly. And has better claimed/real-world range and decent ground clearance. If you are looking for great drive quality, good build quality, a premium sales & service experience. I will recommend eC3 at its price range.

[@motorinc]

Thanks for sharing your experience. How much have you driven the eC3? And which city are you based in? Would be great to know. Thanks!

[@jai123480]

If someone ask what will be the next evolution in review of vehicle would look like, just show this video Awesome making

[@bengeorge9063]

Guys I really can't get enough of this style of review. Looking forward to more !

[@motorinc]

Coming soon! Thanks BG!

[@football_Maniac78]

Karthikeyaaaa.......We Love You

[@motorinc]

❤️

[@nandu815]

A great way of representation. Just awesome.

[@motorinc]

Thank you!

[@chandrak2080]

With a few additions to d turbo.. Would have been dis generation's POLO!!! a good solid car

[@motorinc]

❤️

[@alexmercer3001]

I think this is a good proposition., The features that are missed , should be given as optional, so that buyers can add them when they have the money later. That way buyers can have the no frills car at first, then add the frills after a year or so and make it feel new again. This idea should be followed by other car makers too.

[@motorinc]

Hey Alex! Good to see you. That is a highly rational approach. You will agree most of us aren’t rational most of the times - especially with some things. Until our fascination with cars -and cars as an extension of our identities wears out, that is unlikely to work. At the same time in Europe we do see this happening. But it isn’t widespread. But, if someone were to propose a really cool modular vehicle - taking an aspirational approach - would it work? What say?

[@alexmercer3001]

@@motorinc That will really increase many first time car buyers. And even those who felt they missed the chance to buy a car they love, could get their hands on one.

[@motorinc]

Good to have your buy in! 🫡

[@nocturnalrider1855]

This channel is on its way to give tough times to autocars, zigweheels of KZbin.

[@rataninjeti]

And powerdrift too 😅

[@motorinc]

Thanks for being here with us NR and Ratan! ❤️

[@aritrachakrabarty9714]

Grew up watching you , you still look so young. I love the looks of C3 , it is something different from the maruties and tatas on the road.

[@motorinc]

Thank you so much! He credits it to the lovely machines he gets to spend time with. Glad to know you like it’s looks!

[@dhruvalshrestha1672]

My dad booked ec3 today , and it will be delivered in 39 days

[@motorinc]

Do let us know how it goes! All the best and congratulations!

[@dhruvalshrestha1672]

@@motorinc yeah sure , i will be posting range test etc etc. And whatever problems faced. Just pray for me that it doesn't catches fire too 😅

[@motorinc]

😆 Think positive!

[@OmaHaji]

wow, reading a playbook.

[@motorinc]

Made sense?

[@OmaHaji]

@@motorinc absolutely.

[@Vikrum_]

C3 is the virtual successor of the Polo in my eyes, 190nm torque, plush springs, lovely looks ❤ lack of an Automatic does muddle the puddle for me

[@motorinc]

Wow! So glad to see someone appreciate its hardware proper! ❤️

[@theaustralianconundrum]

In 2019 on their 100th anniversary Citroen claimed to sell 1 million vehicles globally. Unfortunately 825,000 were sold in France and 114,000 were sold in China of all places? Their global sales have in fact been declining for a very long time. Why? Poor quality control, poor reliability, expensive maintenance and repairs out of warranty.

[@motorinc]

One hopes that they can turn it around!

[@bengeorge9063]

You hit it right on the money. I don't know why manufacturers don't offer the options they already do in other markets. Indians are willing to spend money if it's worth it. Honda is another one of these manufacturers! The BRV was such a flop here. But I am sure if they launched the facelifted version, the N7X model, it would have been a runway success. Only Kia has done it properly. They offered all the possible choices to the customer, and did not hamstring themselves.

[@motorinc]

You've made some valuable points!

[@dhhavs]

Revisiting this vid, jus heard that c3 scored a 0 in latin ncap rating. Is this true?? What do u think of it?? Worth buying?? Ur thoughts

[@Dheeeeraj]

I AGREE! Indians are not stingy! The stigma is not right. We'll go out of our way to get things we like! Spot on Karthikeya! This was a wonderful video. Honestly man you are raising the bar so high, it's just boring now to watch videos from other auto publishing houses! MotorInc is the best thing that's happened to the Indian Automotive scene! I feel like you are voicing my opinion. Finally a voice for the people! Dear manufacturers, you better take notes from this.

[@motorinc]

Hey Dheeraj, that is amazing. Just what we want to be. A voice for and of our community. Thank you so much!

[@undertakersingh8117]

Bhai please make video on tiago vs tigor...which is best for first time buyers....?

[@motorinc]

Singh Sahab! Thank you for the suggestion. Any specific questions? We’ll try and help you out here if possible.

[@deepaksrinivasmondal]

TURBO: C3 Turbo is currently on hold; will be relaunched with a BS6 Phase 2-compliant engine in May. To use the same 110PS 1.2-litre turbo-petrol engine with a 6-speed manual. Turbo variants will be safer with TPMS, hill hold assist, electronic stability programme, and idle auto start-stop as standard. A new Shine turbo variant will also be on offer with a rear camera, alloy wheels, and fog lamps. Turbo variants are expected to command a small premium over their earlier prices.

[@motorinc]

You have this info on good authority it would seem! And hello again!

[@suniluchil1304]

Cetrion should go an extra mile and give what customers want and not save cost PENNY WISE POUND FOOLISH u end up saving ur car manufactured in ur showroom or warehouse nobody will buy it. Opposite is true for TATA Nexon gives more that what u pay for ❤ 😊

[@motorinc]

🫡

[@jyotirmoyroy8619]

The front seats really need an upgrade. Yes the flap handles need a change too, and surely the instrument cluster need an urgent upgrade, at least with non digital round dials. Arm rest is not a must have feature. With these 3 changes they can double their sales numbers for sure. :)

[@motorinc]

Hello! Good to see you again! And you don’t care about the LED lighting or passive keyless entry bits? Just checking.

[@jyotirmoyroy8619]

@@motorinc for me no led lights are not a deal breaker as I feel halogen lights are more effective. As far as keyless entry goes it is a good to have feature but most of us can live with it. For what I feel cruise control and ventilated seats are features which must be incorporated in every car in India.

[@motorinc]

Gotcha! Thanks for sharing that!

[@LeeJcc]

I'm from Singapore, and am a Citroen fan. I think the mistake is comparing the success of the Korean and Japanese carmakers with Citroen - they come from intrinsically different perspectives. While an Asian carmaker is likely to go all out to woo a customer in a conventional manner with power snd lots of equipment, the French, and Citroen in particular, is going to be different. Instead, comfort and the composure suspension is going to be the stand out quality of a Citroen. And once a customer has experienced this unique aspect of Citroen ownership, all other cars, no matter how powerful or well-equipped are going to feel crude by comparison.

[@motorinc]

Good point LeeJoc, but their approach, so far, doesn't seem to paying off in India... which have see loads of Japanese and Korean cars for years together so far

[@natozeleo7579]

Open more dealerships..... mr.citreon .

[@motorinc]

How far is the nearest one from you?

[@dhara1002]

They could probably fix all these issues by launching a new model based on the C3 - say, C3 Elite or C3 Aircross and make it the Brazilian spec with all the missing features and the turbo petrol with the automatic. Then market the hell out of that model.

[@motorinc]

Absolutely should!

[@abhinavsingh.92]

The C3 Aircross, slated for launch later this year, will be unveiled tomorrow. Let's hope this time they do it right. P.S. Although the name is similar, the Aircross is a larger (Creta-sized) car that's coming with 2/3 row seats.

[@sourabhpandya3457]

Citroen sells some really fantastic cars in EU. Company has failed to understand segment wise customer requirements in C5 and C3 all varities. Hope they have learnt their lesson and will come back prepared C4X... Else good bye Citroen is not that far away!

[@motorinc]

Thanks for sharing your perspective!

[@Prithviraj-singh]

Loved the style!! You should also do a follow up video on the new shine variant.

[@motorinc]

Thank you! Anything we could help you with about Shine? Do let us know. Thanks!

[@Prithviraj-singh]

Now that we have the C3 Aircross. Easter to see your video on it.

[@motorinc]

We’ll wait till it’s production ready, which needs a few more months. 🙏🏾

[@jibbytheretrolover]

I think they should have brought Peugeot brand in India rather than Citroen.

[@motorinc]

Why so? Any specific lion you look forward to?

[@aniketwani9974]

I can't think of any Indian who'll like that instrument console. Why the hell Citroen didn't consult an Indian before making car for India?

[@Amr84]

Note: It's not for passengers having height above 6'3, head almost touches the roof and ingress/egress is also difficult.

[@motorinc]

Which cars would you recommend for those who are 6’3” or taller? Thanks for the help!

[@Amr84]

@@motorinc considering this particular segment- Tata Punch, Nissan Magnite/Renault Kiger and i hope Maruti Suzuki Fronx (haven't test drived yet) would also be apt.

[@Amr84]

Also, The ground clearence of 180mm is lowest among it's rivals (mentioned above)

[@bdelloidrotifer3006]

How Bolero Neo is more of an SUV than other sub4meters.. It's practicality, usability and versatility Please share your views

[@motorinc]

It’s for a certain type of user. Think of it as the Thar without the hardcore ability or the sexiness. It has utility. It is uncomplicated.

[@bdelloidrotifer3006]

@@motorinc Thank you for reply Will love to see outdoor content on this channel.

[@NMJ01]

Where 390 video?

[@motorinc]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5KvfWmCq7ODfKM Here. We had to fix a couple of blank frames 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@satvikkhare1844]

I wish I could learn to write the script like this. Can someone please help this poor soul to suggest some resources to learn the write the script just like what Kartikeya is narrating.

[@motorinc]

Thank you for that! It’s many minds that make this happen. Just read and write more. Rest will come!

[@jaswanthkolluri2696]

Wow...marvellous video with not letting down Citreon and at the same time telling what is not right. It's 200% true, C3 is an excellent car and Citreon made it look worst with all the shortcomings. Who would want those old door handles and fixed head rests...even tiago base variant provides adjustable head rests and better instrument cluster.

[@motorinc]

Glad to see you recognise its excellence! Hope Citroen are working on a fix for the C3.

[@mmeettwwoo]

I d love to suggest lot of things which it needs actually. But for business formula, in shine if they add sunroof , it might make a lot of people shift towards it.

[@motorinc]

Great suggestion!

[@prashantsharma9779]

Man what do we say? I wouldn't come to any conclusion without driving it but getting a test drive is damn hard owing to their limited outlets.. Loved the 390 video btw guys... Awaiting a video on Kartikeya's impulse as well.. ❤

[@motorinc]

Hello! Have you asked for a test drive? As for Kartikeya’s Impulse - we better ask him to dust it off, huh?

[@prashantsharma9779]

@MotorInc I haven't because the nearest Citreon outlet is 2.5 hours away from here and I don't plan on buying a car right now. Plus, I haven't seen a Citreon anywhere. They really need to increase their network. Some people here do like their vehicles. The limited network is holding them back.