Civ 4 Deity 74 | Isabella | Part 1

[@VonKrauzer]

"The economy is dying, but we'll be ok" - the most Spanish thing to say ever.

[@mdgraller]

Woah, just found your account recently and I’m happily surprised to be commenting less than an hour after a fresh upload. Digging your Civ 4 content, my friends and I have been playing together since 2009 or so. We’re not Diety Chads but keep coming back to this game over all the others we’ve tried. Currently trying my hand at some very basic modding

[@nice_toes_xx]

Henrik’s channel is so good, one of the few channels that still makes good Civ 4 content. He has a discord server which is a nice place for discussions on people’s saves etc 😊

[@kanjiNaem]

what kind of mod are you making? got a vision or just playing around?

[@thiagoneubauer5190]

I usually don't comment on videos, but I wanted to express my appreciation for your content. I love Civ4, and the way you present your videos is both entertaining and educational. As an Emperor level player, I consider myself a total noobish compared to your skills, but I've learned a lot from your gameplays. I never gave Isabella much of a chance before this series, and it's surprisingly enjoyable to crush opponents with conquistadores.

[@henrik9658]

Great to hear :) glad you are enjoying it and learning so much! it's my pleasure

[@Aurelius_911]

Medieval 2, AoE, Civ 4,5,6 Conquistador always delivers really great and cool historic unit

[@KILOBify]

Your videos rock. Pleasant voice, good cadence, and it's rare to see someone who actually KNOWS the game.

[@henrik9658]

Oh yes, hows the mic sounding now? adjusted filters some more. background humming should still be gone(?)

[@montivdg]

better!

[@teddyhh9947]

Great content Henrik. Enjoy it very much :)

[@henrik9658]

Thank you :)

[@MDeeecent]

Great start Henrik! That will be interesting to see how you rush Gandhi without horses and maybe no elephants either. Also the warrior baiting was fun, definitely something I will start doing from now 😁

[@MariOfTheMountains]

My boy Gandhi is about to get skill issue'd

[@henrik9658]

🐘

[@andrewsills8963]

Isabella is my favourite leader. I like to play what i call the Heroic Epic Citadel rush, which is not just an engineering rush with Isabella, since you start with fishing and therefore cannot follow the bulb route. Also after getting the engineering you need to get feudalism or theocracy for a level 4 unit and literature for the heroic epic. Then you build units and go to war. It is possible that this strategy is not optimal, however it is fun.

[@henrik9658]

probably standard alphabet+math+currency+civil service econ path into engineering will get you there at a good date and allow you to develop land and cities along the way. Yes that's an interesting idea to build heroic epic without a war.

[@andrewsills8963]

Given you have marble and forests in your cap you could build/chop heroic epic then chop remaining forests for a quick stack of super trebs @@henrik9658​

[@winoodlesnoodles1984]

You can still go the bulb route, it is a non-standard bulb route. Push Metal Casting and get an engineer. It takes a bit due to only running 1 eng/forge. Basically, it requires the 'Mids to get extra GE points. However, if you have stone and chops, it is an option. To get the bulb you want and get your attack going quicker should be fun to try. Without stone, I default to Henrik's advice. It is a favorite tactic of my with Sitting Bull. It is easier for him to pull off due to Philosiphical and way more powerful. (Basically 2 GEs, pop Construction and Machinery. Cats + Sitting Bull crossbows are hard to break without elephants or knights) It may sound crazy but Sitting Bull and that tactic has allowed me to bump up the difficulty. Still working on imortal. I will never be a diety player. The game gets a bit too micro managing for me. If that didn't make it clear, I'm not nearly the player Henrik is. However, I have played with some off the wall tactics. There is a way with a priest bulb to 1 turn research civil service. However, it requires having Theology and Mathematics.

[@andrewsills8963]

Good idea. The totem pole can be used to unlock the heroic epic without war, although you would need to be running both vassalage and theocracy. Same would apply with mongolian Ger. I think there are some fun all in rush strategies to play with.@@winoodlesnoodles1984

[@SHDK-vq1rx]

Gandhi in his own religion with a bunch of low peace-weigth AIs. Sounds like you should wait for the dogpile to start, then go in and grab the spoils.

[@neb-x1f]

Axes/Cats should be fine to take out Gandhi earlier if you can't get your hands on Elephants. If you trade for Sailing you can take out Pataliputra first to keep your trade routes :)

[@alexandervarga8090]

Hey love your vids, been playing (trying and failing) alot of diety myself lately. Every good start I have, I always end up next to a Tokugawa or Genghis, and get attacked before turn 1500BC, even if I get them to pleased with a city bribe, so annoying. I dont see that happening to you nearly as often

[@henrik9658]

its generally really unlucky to get dow'd before 1000BC, Most of my pangaea runs are fairly smooth but I do throw away a game here and there that are just awful like starting in a corner 2 cities next to a monster shaka with gold in his cap. Only 1 in 20 games I might get attacked before 1000bc, maybe 1 in 50 games before 1500bc. If they are attacking that early it should be like 4 units which you can stop with 2-3 hilled archers. If its at or after 1000bc you should really have metal or a strong garrison by then. The key is to see the troop build up and then react when they start plotting. If theres alexander on your border with 5 archers, he might just attack you the moment he researches IW and finds iron and builds a sword. There is no shame in going archery early on, on deity difficulty to prepare for a dow. you can use your archers to defend from barbs then have them as a defense against getting DOWd early. If you have a nasty neighbour, settle on a hill!!! it makes your archers invincible. 95% odds vs axes and 80% odds vs swords. You can try fractal or inland sea map scripts to have a little more room to expand but be prepared for runaway AI potentially. You can also try pangaea with low sea level. There was the Sury game I had tokugawa in my face and had to get super early elephants up to deal with him: kzbin.info/aero/PL_oXbrTBg33kxNseiYNgHpKX1yw3CLvH2 There are two breakout units to learn to master, horse archers and elephants. You can crush the deity AI if you can utilize these effectively. Horse archers being a little more tricky. You also need to have the BUG mod up and be ready for an attack. Last but not least, deity is always a bastard difficulty, there's a reason I still play on immortal half the time. Deity can really just be unwinnable if you get really unlucky. You can practice for deity by playing really hard immortal maps, and not feeling overwhelmed. play tokugawa no tech trade isolation. play on a continent with shaka and monte. These situations on immortal are harder than 90% of the deity games I play, and teach you to play better. I still learn so much that helps me take on deity by playing immortal.

[@alexandervarga8090]

Thank you for the awesome response! I used to only play on immortal, the only reason I even try deity is because I watch you, you make it look easy, then I try with better starts than you attempt with, and get obliterated. I've won several deity games so far, but I feel luck plays a huge part for me. I can rarely get the key tech dates you get. I've got Bug Mod! @@henrik9658 But for example, my last run through: Fractal Map, Large size, playing as Victoria (Op I know), I get a flood plains, corn, 4 Gold! start. I think ive got this in the bag. Then 1600 BC Bismark of all people rushes me with 4 axe, 4 spears, and a stupid archer from far away, his land is like 25-30 tiles away from my closest city. Meanwhile he has 2 neighbors bordering him directly.... Like WTF. Is there a process to who they choose to attack if diplo modifiers arent really there?

[@paulchirica7890]

I probably would’ve gone size two settler given how you auto lose if Gandhi settles the floods, but the efficiency greed paid off lol Also why not settle between the spices? You can move cap there later for the stupidest commerce city ever, and in the short term you claim more first ring tiles, and can settle an additional filler/splitter on the plains hill 2E of your current second city location Love your content, keep it coming :)

[@henrik9658]

umm wanted to work the gold from the capital i guess, so i could grow the capital or do other stuff there.

[@RomanRolandKZ11]

Hi, bro I wanted to ask Why do you put the research bar at zero and then back at 100% instead of keeping it the way it goes?

[@SHDK-vq1rx]

1) Commerce is rounded down when splitting. This can cause loss of as much as 10% in the very beginning of the game. When you do 1000+ beakers, it doesnt matter anymore. 2) You get a discount when your known opponents has finished researching the tech. If they finish the tech while you bank money, you will get a small discount. 3) Most importantly, you can change your decision on which tech to research while still banking the money. Useful if you want monopoly on a tech (for wonder building or tech trading optimization). It is a small optimization. It has much higher significance early in the game. Late game it doesnt matter much. It is one of many small optimizations, that is needed to give you an edge on the higher difficulties.

[@RomanRolandKZ11]

@@SHDK-vq1rx tnx now I understand and gonna use it)

[@tariqgraves374]

Have you ever played with raging barbs

[@henrik9658]

yes

[@_mwk]

But where's the izzy roleplay where you turn 0 dow anybody with a different religion?

[@henrik9658]

True, need to queue up meditation t0 or gtfo. On a serious-er note I do a lot more roleplay stuff on immortal

[@KvalitetSystems]

Mine on pigs its so wrong solution. Can't be explanation for this

[@henrik9658]

What?

[@KvalitetSystems]

​@@henrik9658 just calculate it, how much hammers you wasted because you didnt build pasture on this tile. If you build pasture its 5 points food + 1 hammer. 2 points food gives you free 4 hammers on grey hills with mine. Its 5 hammers vs 3 yours hammers per turn., plus 1 extra food point (important too). Sorry for my english.

[@henrik9658]

Ok yes it's stronger "long term" but you need to understand this is a short term compromise, a temporary mine that turns into a pasture later when we have more happiness 1. We are limited by happiness limit. can not grow past size 5 (6 with improved and roaded gold) 2. Commerce is the problem, not production. yes you can get a little more hammers by working the pasture and then some plains hill mines. But production is not the issue. it's commerce. Animal Husbandry requires 160+ beakers (15 turns) to research!!!!! it's really expensive and will delay bronze working and pottery for a few turns. The pig-mine is 2 food 3 hammers (total of 5 hammers when building a settler, and 6 when building a worker with expansive). The Pasture pig is 5 food 1 hammer, which is 6 hammers for a settler and worker. It is a very small difference!!! But saves me sooo much research time. 3. The food is not important because I can't grow past size 6 for a long time until monarchy or trading for happiness, so I would either grow into unhappiness and have wasted food, or be stuck on avoid growth. I grow to happy limit and run scientists to help reach key technologies faster. The ability to work 4 hammer mines isn't important, because I want to run scientists or work cottages to improve my research. As I said, we have a LOT of production on this start, commerce is the problem. I want to save every bit of commerce and get things like pottery, writing, alphabet and currency as fast as possible so I can expand and build more cities quickly without going broke. Please keep in mind this is deity difficulty, technology costs and city maintenance are BRUTAL!!

[@KvalitetSystems]

@henrik9658 I got it. You don't need hammers, you don't use slavery. You build workers and sellers slowly in this case. For just commerce maybe its ok. Nevermind then.

[@KvalitetSystems]

@henrik9658 you did not build pasture even after get AH. It's not "short term". You played with this tile long time.

[@montivdg]

Breakfast present 😊

[@Thevenver]

Really liking this one, hope you upload the next parts soon as it's fresh & exciting

[@henrik9658]

I tend to upload faster if I have another game already in progress, but slow down if I'm not playing. Should be able to do one EP every 48hrs

[@montivdg]

@@henrik9658 do whatever you want to do to prevent from getting burned out!

[@henrik9658]

@@montivdg ty appreciate it! Will do