Claire Byrne Live: How should we Commemorate 1916?

[@glenng]

Isn't it time to rename Fine Gael as the "Irish Unionist Party" and give them a British Commonwealth flag?

[@joprocter4573]

Welcome Ireland

[@joprocter4573]

Ira never victims

[@jasoncunningham6289]

The only reason anyone is questioning celebrating the rising is because the proclamation has not yet been fulfilled

[@robertmcdonald8342]

Maybe it is not a statement but a standard. I'm part Irish American and I just read ur proclamation, and I thought of our Pledge of Allegiance which I think should be viewed as a standard of what should be not as just a statement of what is

[@1969JohnnyM]

@@robertmcdonald8342 That would make sense if a third of America or lets pretend 15 US States in the wealthiest part of America remained under British Rule and the US Founding Fathers were left with the remaining US States watching on as citizens in the British governed States were oppressed and treated as third class citizens.

[@67lionsoflisbon37]

He says there is no hierarchy of Irishness. Yes there is. Those who fought for the Republic and those who served the empire. The ric were a colonial paramilitary police force, involved in evictions, opposed the Young Irelanders, Fenians and Land League. Beat Irish people of the streets of Dublin in 1913. Eyes and ears of British in Ireland.

[@joprocter4573]

Those who stood against world war need hero commeration

[@joprocter4573]

Not illegal police. They had to deal with illegal uprising

[@seandelaney2]

Pretty ridiculous discussion! should the Jews also remember the the Jewish Nazi collaborators? Do the French commemorate the aristocrats? the Irish should celebrate what they achieved rather than look for excuses to blame themselves and thats coming from an Englishman

[@susanalawrence6693]

+2meroyn wtf!

[@andlidearmadta9680]

I know your comment is a few years old, yet I will say, this is RTE, all upper class establishments in Éire are west brits. Nothing wrong about being a Brit, but when an Irish is a west brit...it means something different. A self hating Gael. This social engineering has been happening for decades

[@zeyangzhang4944]

poor James connoly

[@PaddyDogg]

How about commemorating the rising by honouring the proclamation of independence, that would be a good place to start

[@toolsoldier]

I do pay my respects to the men and woman who lost their lives in 1916. As an Irish man I am proud of the document produced in fires of struggle. However whats done is done whats won is won and whats lost is lost. When the volunteers marched into the GPO etc. with respect the vision was for a better future for the children of Ireland. An Ireland equal an Ireland free of struggle, and I do think an Ireland free of baggage. Use the proclamation its all there, everything we need going forward in the next 100 years. Remember the sparks that lite the flame, remember ALL the lives lost. But most of all this is a lasting legacy to their ideals which are more relevant today than ever for the future of this country and for our children. This is what is important today and is what was most important to them.

[@joprocter4573]

Terrorist wars are not forgivable

[@1969JohnnyM]

The police in Dublin in 1916 were not the Garda as Bruton said, clever play on words that they were police working for the British State,

[@joprocter4573]

No they legittamate police of Ireland then so don't undermine. Even those joining British army was same as Irish army at that time. Irish have problems taking in history as really factually was.. To lazy for political processes..

[@dazzer273]

Just for informational purposes, the British citizens of my generation and I am 19, love the USA 4th July independence day, I know a guy who posted a Union jack football with a slogan "Happy Independence day" they loved the celebration and partied and celebrated with the Americans. I look at the 4th of July and I say to myself, please god can Ireland/Eire one United Eire consisting of 32 counties can actually celebrate a day of Independence celebration together.

[@johndoyle1810]

Believe me that waiting in the wings is the probability of a much bigger problem and it ain’t Ireland against Britain,

[@tomgreene8480]

Sadly , the legacy of empire is often unhappy....disentanglement is rarely carried out over a tea party..we should also , while not glorifying violence , remember that imperialism is a bad idea and traditionally, conquest was rarely done wth the benefit of the conquered in mind.

[@dufmor]

who cares what john bruton thinks..........not me,on the other hand when others are really suffering wtf would he know,......or more importantly care about.

[@Dechieftian]

Dave Kenny is bang on .. where the hell do RTE get moderators like Claire Byrne .. reminds me of her name sake Gay Byrne berating Gerry Adams on the Late Late Show many years back .. I'm sure Loyd George and Birkinhead would have been delighted to hear this pair on Irish National television talking such rubbish ..

[@1969JohnnyM]

Using Bruton's line of thinking we should remember the people who liberated the Irish nation and if it hadn't been for their sacrifice he wouldn't have the freedoms he has today, perhaps. When all the occupied countries celebrate regaining their freedom and nationhood at the end of WW2, they don't pay honour to the people who took away their freedom and independence nor do they as Bruton suggests honour the collaborators and Quislings, France does not remember those who served Vichy France or the French people who aided the occupation. Bruton shows that he'd sell out his own people for cheap and very quickly if offered a few crumbs, history repeats itself.

[@conor5211]

Eamon o cuiv the only person i respect on that panel he is a great republican. Privileged to have met him once

[@paddyt4043]

At least emmon ó Cuív sat down beside Mary... That was nice, 😉

[@thegoodjinn8065]

Why are Irish people so afraid to call out the Brits?

[@seandelaney2]

+man of onyx Catholic guilt?

[@thegoodjinn8065]

NSARWatching lookbusy very good.

[@grahamfleming7642]

Remember EVERY soul the British state took, ALl 150 million of the them,world wide, Saoirse agus Ghia.Uaine,ban agus Orans,remember the 700years of abuse there was no excuse for.

[@1969JohnnyM]

Nice to see Byrne cut McDonald off, lets not be hearing any painful truths. Listening to some off the waffle going on here because the aims of those who died in 1916 are still waiting to be fulfilled. When America celebrates the 4th of July or other nations celebrate independence or a huge national event they don't worry more about how their oppressors are remembered. When the Democratic Republic of Congo celebrates its independence they don't worry about the hand cutting murdering ex Belgian overlords.

[@wks107tdv123]

The only thing the IRA ever gave to a Royal was a time bomb under Lord Mountbattens boat

[@pmcl3616]

wks107tdv123 you've obviously NO understanding of the history of Ireland and the complexity of it. Lest We Forget

[@billycaspersghost7528]

Killing an old man who had nothing to do with the British Government or its actions in Ireland and an Irish kid.Big fucking heroes.

[@conorledwith530]

And don't forget the fucking British Army who murdered the innocent Civil Rights marchers in Derry (bloody Sunday) Ignorant git

[@NC-ck5oj]

i dont think we can be under any illusions as to what side bruton would have been on. embarrassing stuff

[@stoney7145]

Hugh Jass Its modern irish life every thing must be balanced and equal.Everything must be equal meaning you have to please every body and ending up pleasing no one.The commemoration should be simple and not overly complicated.

[@definitelyhexed]

Hugh Jass Bruton is a West Brit.

[@stoney7145]

+MrOranj Absolutely

[@kenniedun]

Finn Gael complete blue coats

[@jackmurray3630]

Why are all southerners so unpatriotic? Good on Mary Lou tho at least she speaks a bit of sense

[@marcasotiarnaigh8672]

We are told not to they’ve already got rid of our currency for no need instead we are good little boys for the EU and for Apple and our parties are all identical so who do we vote for ? Hardly the bloody national party

[@jackmurray3630]

@@marcasotiarnaigh8672 Sinn Fein pal

[@marcasotiarnaigh8672]

@@jackmurray3630 Sinn Fein are no different they want the Brits out but then the rest of Africa in, more a party of hippies than Irishmen since Adams left

[@marcasotiarnaigh8672]

@@jackmurray3630 Sinn Fein used to be fairly eurosceptic but now that the Brits have left they don’t want to be seen agreeing with them

[@jackmurray3630]

@@marcasotiarnaigh8672 right so SF are the best of the lot , they compared to FF/FG who are simply betraying Ireland .SFcare about the WC. Additionally stopping emigration won’t fix fuck all

[@longmemory1620]

the Truth 7:42

[@JohnSmith-qq8tx]

Almost every RTE clip with a politician waffling on Ytube have the comments turned off. Tell's you everything you need to know about these parasites and thieves. Sinn Fein now really live up to the name, " OURSELVES ALONE ", because that's all they care for. I once admired Mary Lou, she now makes me sick.

[@paddyt4043]

Oh please leave pearse out of it😬 His history needs revisiting Men like Tom Clarke and of course Connolly are not nearly talked about enough.. The movement wasn't perfect... How and ever it was the greatest event ever on this island.. Also most of these heoros were under 25💪🇮🇪

[@zeyangzhang4944]

Oh feck. John Burton is actually putting turd on the grave of James Connelly! The 1916 is a class struggle, for fecks sake!

[@Lisa-wo8td]

Let Mary Lou speak

[@johndoyle1810]

I think that from personal perspective from grassroots level racism is rife and it ain’t coming from Ireland or Irish people

[@stephenmonaghan4025]

Clate burn is like a female pat kenny

[@DavidWhitty-o8d]

In fairness you cldnt put a black an Tans name on anything except a fire 🔥

[@CaptainHarlock-kv4zt]

Ουίσκι, ξωτικά κι αγώνας για λευτεριά... αυτό είναι για μένα η Ιρλανδία!

[@Craigloves1987]

John Bruton talks a lot of sense and i believe Ireland should rejoin the UK . Come home boys ! .... and bring America with you

[@robertomeara3469]

Dream on fella

[@lolp00]

Claire Byrne is very dismissive in her commentary

[@rjmaxwell1963]

You lot should both STOP celebrating any kind of victory over the other. This violent history is STOPPING you all from moving on. Why look backwards? You should all be looking forwards. Then again I don't think any of you want peace.

[@joprocter4573]

Bin it. Killing own ppl not worthy of remembering such horror

[@johnbrendanoneill1029]

Irexit

[@asanulsterman1025]

How should you commemorate 1916? Hang you heads in shame at all the needless death and destruction. And while you're at it pat yourselves on the back for permanently dividing the island. Nothing was achieved in 1916 that would not have been achieved with a little patience and regard for other views.

[@stallthedigger2599]

What divided the island was when the British planted a bunch of the most bigoted people the planet has ever seen up North , unsurprisingly the founders of the KKK were also Ulster Scots. You can't say permanently divided because the demographics in the North are only going one way and that's towards a Nationalist majority very soon which must worry a loyal subject to the Queen of England like yourself. Also violence was the only option in 1916 because the Home Rule bill was rejected 3 times in the British Parliament. Same thing during the troubles when the Protestant majority refused to give Catholics equal rights so they were forced to compromise through violence."Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable" JFK

[@asanulsterman1025]

@@stallthedigger2599 LMAO So you are saying that the KKK were descendants of the Ulster-Scots, who were descendants of the Scots, who were descendants of the Irish (Dalriada) are the most bigoted people on the planet. I agree, the Irish are very bigoted as your little rant demonstrates. And you justify violence if 'people' don't get what they want. Well all I can say to that is what goes around comes around. If your republican dream of a united ireland ever did come true the inevitable violence of the Ulster resistance movement would be fully justified by your own silly justification. Your day will not come, it has been and gone, time to wake up and smell the roses. In the words of Sean Lemass [4th Taoiseach (1959-1966)].. "There will always be a Northern Ireland"

[@conorsarsfield7158]

1916 was necessary to establish Ireland as a state

[@wizardmerlin1000]

rising should not have happened in the first place,Ireland would have got there own state anyway.

[@JL-iw3en]

+denis halpenny when were they going to give us our own state? By the time the rising came around the Brits were 700 years in Ireland and hadn't given anything other than hardship and famine. you haven't a clue

[@longmemory1620]

out of every 10 people who died that week .. 7 were irish