Clan Line meets Angry Farmer December 2011

Clan Lines first paying passengers (running with 35017 Belgian Marine's number and insignia) since its "troubles" earlier this year. Captured here in the Surrey hills, this video has it all. Sunny day, lovely country, a steam engine working its socks off, wildlife, and an angry farmer moaning at someone (not me - I walked there) about his car. He chose just the right moment to ruin the shot - I could have thrown the stupid old fool on the tracks - No-one had driven through his bleedin farm! Still here are his Basil Fawlty ravings in the background.

[@Jaidencharlotte]

“I’m gonna report you to the police” *Angry Merchant Navy noises*

[@TheClockwise770]

Superb video and how great to see those Pullman cars . Thanks for your post and

[@johnbaddeley5494]

Brings back beautiful memories. Only the heat and smells have to be imagined. Loved the presentation.

[@stevedoubleu99B]

Thank you for that. I wish you hassle-free future filming.

[@AlsTrainspottingHD]

Legend has it that Farmer is still looking for the most recent train driver that passes near his farm while on a shift while driving a train to somewhere. Or trying to track down the most recent passing of a train to find out where it goes and he will fine the train company about trespassing for a split second. Also Great video and nice chuff chuff.

[@jayswarrow1196]

If you watch closely around 2:06 ~ 2:08 you notice there was no glitch - it's a full-on wheelspin

[@gzappa]

While on holiday in the 1980s, I was told by a Welsh farmer to get out of Wales, I had stopped by the side of the road near Capel Celyn looking at the reservoir . Apparently the valley there was flooded to form this reservoir in the 1960s to supply water for England, he seemed to be holding me personally responsible for that. He really hated the English for building it and all of us were responsible.

[@SirReginaldBlomfield1234]

I hate the Welsh for existing.

[@RavennaRailfan4070]

Spectacular, you got a great shot of Clan Line despite the circumstances!

[@dtaylor4552]

Thats No 53017 Peninsula and Orient Lines.

[@denismay6011]

Nothing like the sound of Steam Trains in full flight. Cheers from North Queensland, Australia.

[@trainmanbob]

Sounds to me like it was Richard Sole....postal address Farmer R.Sole? Wonder he doesn't sit on the mainline because it runs through his property..on second thoughts, what a great idea.

[@v8pilot]

I think I remember that Clan Line used to pull the train that took me to school from Weymoth to Dorchester in the late 1950's. For some reason, the rebuilt Merchant Navies seemed much bigger than the unrebuilt ones.

[@v8pilot]

@@lukeslocomotives I really meant they seemed *MUCH* larger. Huge compared with other big engines (King Arthurs, GWR Halls) that you'd see at Weymouth. The unrebuilt Merchant Navies seemed no bigger than a corridor coach and did not give the impression of being specially big.

[@MrKnowwun]

I turned off recording before I gave him a tirade of foul abuse and told him to "go away". Maybe it should have been recorded and added to the video as a closing scene.

[@danielannett1019]

Never upset a steam enthusiast

[@andrewelliott4436]

Civility is a better approach.

[@KingswinfordHalt]

Could you tell us where this is exactly please..im always looking for good spots ..

[@sightscreen66]

Thanks for enduring all that because it's an excellent sequence with a nice, crisp, 3 cylinder syncopated beat.

[@Axgoodofdunemaul]

Sounds like Farmer Palmer. "Red skoy at night, get orf mah land!"

[@stevenequinepics]

Ha ha, nice gentleman farmer, well done on still taking the video, train looked awesome.

[@MrKnowwun]

I have some sympathy with landholders, but the point is, no-one came near his farm, and the crossing and access was a public by way.

[@SirReginaldBlomfield1234]

It amazes me when such people mention the word Police and they feel emboldened and think other people are suddenly quaking in their boots over what would have been a civil matter and not a criminal one.

[@Decrepit_Productions]

Wow, that's one fine looking loco and passenger car combo

[@b.r.buckeyeman460]

What a beautiful looking Loco.

[@MrKnowwun]

@bkendlerA4 Yeah its a long long old climb, all the way from Shalford where it waters all the way to Dorking, has to work hard all the way and never really gets momentum, so some slipping is inevitable. Very little heavy rail uses the route, its mostly light DMU's.

[@stnicholas54]

35017 certainly was working hard getting up that hill.

[@dougnickerson7145]

The sound of a steamer. Priceless

[@andrewjowsey1333]

Thing is,you and the other person walked there,right? so who's car was the farmer referring to?

[@davidcorbett62]

Clan line must be the best turned out engine every single time it’s out so a big shout needs to go to the guys and gals who work to put her out in such magnificent condition.

[@struck2soon]

Did you notice the big wheel-slip just after Clan Line had passed you?

[@giuseppegulino]

mio caro amico grazie e complimenti per questo meraviglioso video con un convoglio e una locomotiva stupenda meravigliosa fantastica un saluto caro dalla sicilia giuseppe

[@MrKnowwun]

grazie Giuseppe

[@MightyRam83]

I think I'm right in saying Clan Line slipped going over the crossing (2:10), on the framers tractor soiled road, and regained the beat it had before looking at the coupling rods at 2:16.

[@parshakamarsh]

I'm trying to work out which one built up the bigger head of steam.....the farmer or the loco? 🤔

[@philthycat1408]

Get off moi sheep. Thats moi wife that one.

[@interestingrailwaysuk5703]

Hahaha

[@bigmikewallace]

R&b

[@tonyp011]

was that farmer moaning about the fox or the train as you can quite clearly hear him state he was going to report it to the police

[@thomasabbott8974]

MR Knowwun. Can Line meet Angry Farmer December 2011, very sorry to here that someone was trespass on your Ground. An Real Enjoyed the train passing by. I'm Real Interested in watching the trains with being a quite big train spotter my self. An sorry to here that you had some problems with this person. But it's about the train spotting an watching the trains I'm interested in. Glad you got it sorted out with the person how corset over your farm land.

[@AnonymousElectricity]

"u ave nu repect for de country side" HE CAME TO WATCH A TRAIN NOT GO ON A HIKE

[@kbjjustin558]

can you tell me why is the diesel is on the back of this train

[@MrKnowwun]

Sometimes this service does not carry a diesel on the back, but sometimes it does for a couple of reasons.1/ just in case the steam train looses traction on slippy rails - this is a hilly route, 2/ the diesel can provide electricity for the carriage heating and kitchen coach.

[@SPCLPONY]

Beautiful engine!

[@tonyp011]

if this is December how come nearly all the tree have still got their leaves on

[@MrKnowwun]

global warming?

[@timsmith4096]

We've all dealt with the old cromugin driver who ruins your shots.

[@tonywhite9612]

Pure class film clip

[@johnlittle5422]

Beautiful

[@ronaldstewart6332]

Would have told him to piss-off

[@corporallee44]

I have been watching other steam locos climbing long stretches of track, and they weren't throwing a load of black stuff out into the atmosphere. They also had a large number of coaches on tow so that can be dismissed as an excuse. So is it the type of coal or is it the operator, (I haven't a clue how to get these moving) But someone watching will know the answer. Thanks, Bob

[@Kestnuts]

The exhaust was clear for most of the video, except for when she slipped towards the end. When an engine slips the increase in exhaust draft tends to lift fuel particles off the firebed and out through the blastpipe, causing the black exhaust you saw. Black exhaust is a sign of incomplete combustion.

[@michaelgoulding6609]

typical, there,s allways some knob, that complains about smoke going into thdm atmosphere etc, i can,t stand dogooder,s or enviromentalists

[@TD402dd]

If a beautiful steam train would come down my street, I would be jumping for joy. Without trains the modern world would not exist. The USA once had the longest working railroad lines in the world, but now it's just a shell of what we once had. They allowed giant commercial trucks (Lorries) to move cargo from coast to coast using up so much of our fuel diesel.

[@Tom-Lahaye]

I googled the statistics for the US and Europe, and was very surprised that by weight, only 12% of all freight is transported by rail in the US versus 18% for Europe. But where 58% of tonnage in the US goes by road, this is 75% in Europe, where US railroads seem to loose a percentage over the last years in Europe their share of the pie is growing. This all in contrast with my opinion that US railroads had a much bigger part in the US transportation market, as most railroads rely on freight only. All has to do with the fact that roads are partly payed for by general taxes, as the taxes road users pay (road tax and taxes on fuel) do not cover all costs of maintaining the roads. Railroads have to pay the full extent to maintain their infrastructure, this makes road transport paying less for the infrastructure it uses. Road transport is becoming cheaper, especially in Europe where freight companies opened offices in Eastern Europe, got their vehicles registered over there and have very cheap drivers and low taxes, companies competing with each other to offer the lowest prices to customers, it's a race to the drain nowadays.

[@TheBarnem13]

GET OFF MOI LAAARND AND GIVE ME BACK MOI MUD!!! Great footage though!!

[@angeltransportpjects]

'GET ORF MOI LAAND!!!' Were you ever a cartoonist by any chance? Because Viz Magazine used to have a character called Farmer Palmer in it and this was the cartoon's tagline!

[@jimusgrimus]

Check my video of Tornado passing through Garsdale. It wasn't me filming a passing steam engine, rather me filming an old duffer filming a steam engine.

[@magic1ond]

Nice capture ,shame about the wind up merchant .Cheers...

[@davidmansell5986]

I thought Benny Hill had died. That farmer was a clown.

[@thebricker1431]

Aww the duel cab diesel train at the back just spoiled it but it is a nice diesel loco tho

[@fordlandau]

The train drowned him out.

[@bigfrank1010]

beautiful train

[@dominiccrowe8018]

I will be the Wong trainspotter for the old guy to ruin my train video.

[@CosgroveNotts]

Bless him

[@MrKnowwun]

not seen him again, he is scared to come to the rail side. Welcome.

[@jamesburnside3023]

Great video he sorta makes it work, one of the challenges we railfans run into. No worse than the fool who walks into your view or sets up in it. Enjoyed it

[@klbird]

Railfans in the US have the same problems at times and it is best to cautious as everyone over here may be legally armed. Fortunately most of our rights-of -way are not fenced so we have better access to the lines without the need to trespass.

[@northseabrent]

I’m Ronnie Pickering, who, Ronnie Pickering.

[@OddBallThe4th8382]

why was farmer dude angry? just wanna know

[@neilvirgo426]

imagine what the police would have done if he called them? f##k all. good film though, but next time please tie the farmer to the tracks. I also think that fox was on his way to eat his chickens as he could see the farmer was busy lecturing you about respect.

[@bkendlerA4]

Excellent shot. The farmer or very rude man was a bonus. A bit of slippin' from BM I see in your shot. Still she had 470 tons on. Barry

[@jimmytapley8464]

did Clan suffer from wheel slip jus as it got up close...

[@MrKnowwun]

a little yes it did

[@CGT867]

Obviously the farmer left some mud on his boots when he tramped across the line!

[@billalbion]

What a pity you did not film the interview with the farmer when telling him to shut the f up.

[@Glenn1967ful]

If you offered him £ 3 million for his farm, he'd have changed his tune. Seen farms in North Yorkshire go for this amount and no doubt even more down South.

[@HughFromAlice]

Agree about the wind up merchant! Mud = proof! But good shot nevertheless with 35028 sounding in great form :-) Hugh TU

[@barryparks4838]

Love it

[@arfonryan-jones74]

at the 2:00 min mark just as the train is passing it looks like the driving wheels are going faster as the train goes away from the camera than when it was approaching, just watch the 'rods' that join the wheels whatever they are called!!

[@MrKnowwun]

They are called rods, connecting rods, and yes they do move faster as there is some driving wheel slip happening, watch the smoke from the chimney, it turns black as the driver shuts off the regulator and cuts power

[@arfonryan-jones74]

thank you for that sir.

[@samsmithsonite1595]

Arfon Jones kzbin.info/www/bejne/gHXYe2awfa6pi5Y

[@MAPFWH]

Men like Bulleid made Britain Great. Men like this "farmer" make the Australians correct, when they mention "Whinging Poms". She was beautifully turned out... A credit to the team that did it.

[@MrKnowwun]

MAPFWH She appears like that every week. Happy to say, the famer does not appear every week

[@Rog5446]

Yes, and men like that also like other men who made Britain great. I once saw a picture of W. O. Bentley (Bentley cars) at Victoria station, standing next to and admiring a Bullied Pacific.

[@dollythrimpton4915]

W.O Bentley, like quite a few other famous engineers, started off by undertaking an apprenticeship with a railway company, in his case the Great Northern Railway. Henry Royce was another!

[@frederickwilliamcraig8656]

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[@Rosie6857]

If Bulleid had been even greater he would not have built purely passenger locos during the war. He somehow convinced the authorities that they were "mixed traffic" but anyone on the railway knew full well they were not. Also, they were such coal-eaters that all the MN's and half the WC-BB's were rebuilt by BR at considerable expense. The result was what we have here, a rather boring-looking machine, nothing like the original but much less of a "disorderly locomotive".

[@class87srule]

The old girl seems to be losing a fair bit of steam, there.....

[@Kanefan701]

Whoever this guy was moaning about he ruined this video. Had I been there I would told him to stop it and grow up

[@richardbrown5385]

Ok to to walk through his garden any time you want then.

[@gmscms1]

Hi, Great Video as always, Was the rather rude gentleman in the background there to see Belgium Marine (Clan Line) or just to have a go at the someone in the background?

[@MrKnowwun]

He arrived solely to have a row, and not in the least bit interested in the train.

[@monkehbitch]

What the EWS just for electrics?

[@MrKnowwun]

No 12 coach is a genny van, the class 67 is there for insurance during leaf fall.

[@silly0arse]

Perhaps the rather vocal gentleman deserves my moniker?

[@MrKnowwun]

yes, it was very well controlled.

[@RoseSupreme]

Happy 10th Anniversary to this Video!

[@superancientmariner1394]

Why did you not tell him it wasn't your car?

[@docker5468]

If you’ve driven over his property what response would you expect ?

[@mspenrice]

Didn't read any of the captions or description then... he walked up to the spot, and the other person present that actually owned the car didn't go anywhere near and can actually be heard at the end of the video countering the accusation by explaining he drove in from completely the opposite direction. The so-called farmer's assertion that the car has mud on it, ergo it must have taken a trip across his property, when they're deep in the heart of rural fuck-knows-where is totally mental. I've ended up with mud splashed all over my car just from taking a brief shortcut between two suburbs, down entirely public back lanes around the outskirts of Birmingham... thanks to farmers' vehicles and construction traffic splattering it all over the roadway, which would have been a nice thing to encounter if I was on two wheels. There are ways to address a case of suspected trespass (that would hardly have been malicious and intentional given that the suspect is just standing around with a camera taking pictures of trains, instead of trying to run off, or break into the farmer's house or commit wanton acts of vandalism), and being an accusatory moaning old cabbage isn't one of the best.

[@kimmixture6624]

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[@35028ClanlineBulleid]

Fab video mate- Obviously without the miserable Buh Humbug in the background!! I think they should always be ignored! Where abouts exactly did you take this (As in where and how to get there)

[@mikeroberts5646]

Didn’t know England had such beautiful Trains wow impressive

[@MrKnowwun]

Clan Line is the best looked after loco on the main line for sure, super paint job and always clean, but for looks, nothing looks better than an LNER A4 - kzbin.info/www/bejne/sKCUlYSJg6iCnq8

[@bus131]

I think we have found a replacement for Sherlock Holmes lol. You have mud on your car so you must have driven through a farm! There is no mud anywhere else in the country apart from Farms!!! On a better note brilliant footage, random question why do they travel with either a 66 or 67 coupled to the back?

[@MrKnowwun]

he was a turkey for sure. As for the 66, they don't always have one, but its usually used for shunting, in this case the whole train has to be pulled out backwards when it gets to the terminus.

[@goldie103103]

Normally when the VSOE goes to Folkestone, theres a 67 either end so it can get to and from the sidings without running around the train.

[@jordanbailey3289]

I always thought it was in case the train failed or something went wrong then the train wouldnt be left stranded

[@ScooterZn]

Dynamic Braking testing?

[@alejandrayalanbowman367]

It is because there is a lack of turntables these days, so for the return journey, the train is hauled backwards by the diesel.

[@baobo67]

How could someone live in such beautifull part of England and be such a misserable git.Telling him to get his mud off your car. Beutiful piece of film - Cheers

[@SPD1E]

Great video, by the way

[@EdWhizAviationTrains]

The good news is - I Liked & Subscribed

[@CGT867]

Notice the loco breaks into a wheelslip as it passes - must have been all that mud on your boots!

[@drs66412]

Good video subbed

[@Spud607]

MEGA WHEELSLIP AT THE CROSSING!!!

[@stevedoubleu99B]

The locomotive did a great job of drowning the idiots voice out!! By the way, I've often wondered if the rear locos are actually assisting or are they just there in case the steam engine has a problem. i.e. to keep the line clear?

[@MrKnowwun]

Depends. Sometimes they are there to assist shunting and turning the loco at the other end, sometime they are there to provide extra horsepower - a long train, hilly route, busy network may require a discrete shove, and sometimes insurance - which it was in this case. Clan Line can and does make this route on its own a lot of the time,. leaving the shunting diesel behind at Victoria. In this case, its winter/fall, the route is heavy with trees, its hilly, the line could be wet and greasy, so the diesel was behind to be used in case of slip and stalling.

[@GWRProductions-kg9pt]

most of the time it's there to provide power for the coaching stock

[@davidmansell5986]

@@GWRProductions-kg9ptQuite right. Also because of high track costs it reduces the need for light engine moves.

[@KINGANDCASTLE]

I met Father Xmas today, so I left him a little bag. He was riding a steam engine!

[@acrobaticcripple8176]

What do you expect in "Too Much Money Land" ?

[@will14496]

To be fair to him , he did shut up as the train was passing

[@SDR702]

Nah. They probably gagged the fucker.

[@will14496]

hahah

[@MAPFWH]

He's not competing with nearly 100 tons of angry steaming machinery...... not ever!

[@ScooterZn]

I doubt it, the train drowned out his ignorant ramblings.

[@grahamraines8447]

Farmer stereo type behaviour offer a penny for the damage,next time passing throw your asbestos’s roof on his drive it’ll make good hard core

[@brandos451]

at 2:10 she slips over the crossing

[@MrKnowwun]

brandos451 it does - briefly

[@nigelkthomas9501]

You should edit the sound and/or add a music tack.

[@svs8909]

give that wanker a kick in the balls

[@kevintregunna]

Looking like new

[@traceyoughton9282]

Hmmm.... Personally, I think that the loco in this video ain’t clan line. In 2010, she had her name plate changed to black and also she is number 35028 not 35017. Edit = I think the 67 ruins it. And also, just looked 35017 up, and it’s called ‘Belgian Marine’.

[@MrKnowwun]

The loco IS 35028, Clan Line. 35017 Belgian Marine was never preserved. However during this period Clan Line was running Belgian Marine's name plate and number. A practise many loco owners use from time to time. Bittern has run as "The dominion of New Zealand" Braunton has run as "Lord Dowding".

[@BernieHollandMusic]

@@MrKnowwun Bittern has never run as "The Dominion of New Zealand" because that name was never carried by a steam locomotive - A4 No. 60013 however, did carry the name "Dominion of New Zealand"

[@MrKnowwun]

@@BernieHollandMusic And here we have 60019 Bittern running as 4492 Dominion of New Zealand filmed by me in 2011 kzbin.info/www/bejne/hoqumHSmbchrh9U. And if you are pathetically pedantic enough to be referring to the use of "the" you will be banned from my channel

[@goldierich1960]

You should of told him his land will be all houses one day. That would of upset him!

[@randymagnum143]

Yer a right bunch of trespassers, you are.

[@dominiccrowe8018]

I think the old guy is a trouble maker so he see people videoing the train so he went to them to pick a fight.

[@silkdestroyer]

I think that a lot of people are being a bit too hard on the poor oild farmer. If everyone was to just drive willy nilly through his farm, each time stealing a bit of mud, then eventually the poor old guy would have none left!

[@paullee5573]

Oh but he would never run out of mud. Good rich , fertile ud. Formed from all the shit that he talks. Yet another ignorant surrey farmer Not that all surrey farmers are ignorant. Just that the ignorant ones are pig ignorant. I know I was brought up just outside Dorking at the foot of Boxhill, in Mickleham.

[@jimwhittaker886]

Another "Where's Waldo" video

[@828toma]

little bit of track lubrication there i see.... naughty naughty!

[@ninerrider536]

Sounds like he is complaining because you trespassed across his property to get to this spot ????

[@WesleyJH]

personally i'd have done a 360 on his front lawn.... crakin' video despite grumpy bollocks.. :) liked and subbed :)

[@telsport]

BEauty of a choo choo ! and I think I love Surrey...home to Justin Hayward !