Clarence Thomas To Lawyer: 'Is There An Ordinance Here That Says To Be Homeless Is A Crime?'

[@ldygzlle1291]

I have been homeless for 3 years now. I live in a van. I have a job and I pay for my own health insurance and all of my expenses. There are many different types of homelessness.

[@AldenRogers]

Van is your home. That's not truly homeless.

[@bustinnutsinslutsbutts]

Yeah thats homeless bud​@@AldenRogers

[@AccountInactive]

​@@bustinnutsinslutsbuttsI'm in the same boat. I escort oversize loads for a living and live in my van year round. Six figure revenue. High credit score. Now, I do have a few acres in the Ozarks, but I'm only there a few times a year. I don't consider myself homeless.

[@twwtb]

Sounds like that is a choice you made. With a six figure income, you could choose a different living arrangement if you wanted.

[@HaimTabibi]

Not commandeering public property is the key. This case is not about homelessness, it is about drug cultures and the Homeless Advocacy Industrial Complex funding for crap lawsuits. This needs to be out of the 8th Amendment and analyzed under due process like we do in Ohio.

[@chrisbrown8602]

So now they're changing the definition of "camping" to fit their narrative.

[@5thribroarn304]

Everything Anti-Human or Anti-Life is what is trying to be promoted. Being punished for Living is beyond insane, but that's a goal for some, sadly.

[@TheWorldsprayer]

societies have dealt with this since the dawn of civilizations: people staying in a place at the cost of others. People are supposed to know that being homeless is a bad thing and hard and likely to lead to death. Societies are not meant to take care of people who don't take care of themselves.

[@DaTooch_e]

Oregon fk'd up when they legalized drugs in their state. People made the choice and got addicted and are now homeless. They can't get a control of the situation. It's got way out of hand.

[@GhostScout42]

@@5thribroarn304 but are you really for life, even when its hard? for instance, if a having a baby inconveniences a mother?

[@lzestrara1518]

​​@@5thribroarn304If one's form of living is to grab a piece of public property and occupy it on an ongoing basis and at the expense of the general public's ability to enjoy the use of that space, then yes, that should absolutely be considered illegal, if a municipality so wishes. There are countless ways to live legally. But becoming a public nuisance and public safety issue shouldn't necessarily be one. Such people can find somewhere else. Or better yet, don't let your life degrade to that point in the first place. If another community wishes to offer all its public spaces for homeless people to occupy as they see fit, then they should also be able to make that choice. But it shouldn't be foisted on every single community by a group of activists.

[@markmclaughlin2690]

Our government is out of control.

[@klardfarkus3891]

I would argue it is totally in control, of a group of monetary elites with interests antithetical to the American people.

[@patsykirkpatrick6062]

That's an understatement this is a Gd banana republic corrupt corrupt

[@DaTooch_e]

It's for sale

[@veganpotterthevegan]

Well, it's run with the backing of documents written by people that owned people. Of course it's gonna be terrible

[@txbulldogboxing1462]

​@@DaTooch_ebeen sold

[@AccountInactive]

To be homeless isn't a crime. Loitering, littering, trespassing, indecent exposure, and destruction of property are crimes.

[@HaimTabibi]

Excellent point. This is not about homelessness, this is about actions that could be criminal and the folks are blaming it on homelessness.

[@ValidatingUsername]

@@HaimTabibiIt’s important to remember that many rights likely have been violated leading to the alleged “crimes” that are only taking place because they can’t find stable ground due to their rights being infringed and possibly the community isn’t prosecuting on the grounds that it’s not in the public interest to protect the homeless person because they bought opiates once.

[@scottdykema5385]

Wow, so lots of things are crimes, but being homeless isn't? If I understand you correctly, being homeless isn't a crime, but a lot of other things are. Thanks for clearing that up. Geez.

[@HaimTabibi]

@@ValidatingUsername not really. Legal parking is legal. But illegal parking is illegal. The issue in the case before the Supreme Court is the Homeless Advocacy Industrial Complex argument that illegal parking or drug use or property damage should be legal because the person committing those acts are homeless.

[@FlipMacz]

The people of America (dare I say) are not against homeless. We are against the drugs and crime they bring... and also them throwing their body fluids all over the friggin' place. Barbaric.

[@MelaniaT-r6m]

Sending billions in Aide for war is the law.

[@motorradleder]

You nailed it. There is never a war against homelessness in the United States which requires urgent action of Congress.

[@jeepernj99]

And fully finding illegals to be here illegally.

[@Distress.]

​@motorradleder to be fair the war on terror and war on drugs made both worse so I'm not sure we need a war on homelessness

[@MrGringoman80]

@@Distress. Weve had a war on poverty since the 30's. Looks about as successful as the war on terror.

[@Fazzel]

They could build 980,000 $100K homes with the money they send to Israel and Ukraine. That would give homes to almost 1 million homeless people.

[@Austin8thGenTexan]

Clarence is a jewel of ethical propriety! Gotta love it that he has a sugar daddy (Harlan Crow) here in Texas... 🌿 ⭐ 🌿

[@KalijahAnderson]

And he won't recuse himself from trails having to do with Jan 6th even though his own wife was involved.

[@PB-dp6fo]

What are the homeless supposed to do walk around endlessly all day and night ! Homeless is not a crime it’s an out right indignity and people should not be humiliated for it!

[@4NickAder]

part of the Great American Story is that of the 1930s Great Depression men riding the rails across country looking for work ... and the great plains Okies abandoning their property in the Dust Bowl to simply hit the road and meander Westward being poor or homeless is not a crime in America

[@Endoftime-ej7sr]

Give elected politicians term limits, psychological exams, drug tests and lie detector tests..

[@Andrew-ty6ll]

Sociopaths dont fail lie detector tests

[@MrSmallie]

You forgot IQ tests…

[@danieldwyer5139]

You would have to do the same to individual voters

[@donwyoming1936]

Your vote is their term limit. That's how the Founding Father's designed this government.

[@The00Dude]

You first fascist.

[@RAWBOT301]

Loitering is a crime if you are told to leave a space and do not. You should be able to camp in the woods/government property if you arent bothering anyone. You should not be able to block public sidewalks or other public amenities from being used by other people.

[@itsmemailingyou4234]

Government has already made it illegal for the most part where you say they should be allowed. They are at the point of trying to make it illegal in the last places it isn't.

[@jennydiez8020]

Our family was homeless. Landlord raised rent $600 a month, yet no lease or written notice. We won the first appeal because we proved we paid on time and in full. Second appeal (because she sued for eviction) we lost. My husband was in the ICU on a ventilater and I wasnt mailed a court date. Since I missed it- it was an automatic forfeiture. Not every homeless person is a drug addict or mentally ill, folks. Theres more to every story. Our homelessness was due to a greedy landlord that could afford to hire a slimy attorney and lie on a summons.

[@ldygzlle1291]

I’m sorry that happened to you and your family. Just awful. I hope you have found a solution.

[@jennydiez8020]

@@ldygzlle1291 Thank you. We were homeless for a year but found a house we could rent only because the property manager worked with us. We are very grateful. I appreciate your kind words and hope you are ok.

[@ldygzlle1291]

Wonderful to hear. I live in a van but I’m fine. I work full time as a home health aide. I just can’t accept the concept of renting and the cost of it. I hope the new laws coming out don’t make my life more complicated. Best wishes to you and yours.

[@jennydiez8020]

@@ldygzlle1291 I wish I could help. Im glad you have your van and job. Its not easy.

[@RoyDurett]

I wonder if all that Ukraine money might have been better used on the homeless.

[@Winstonrodney6989]

If you spend it on homeless then Democratic politicians and their cronies get the money. If you spend it on Ukraine conservative weapons manufacturers and their towns get the money.

[@jeepernj99]

That and all the money these millions and millions illegals receive. For being here illegally.

[@willie1genesis714]

Why cant we do both?

[@Quicks1lvr]

We "spent" over $20 billion on homelessness here in California. Apparently some of that money is missing, but don't worry the Democrats are in charge so everything is fine. /S

[@Winstonrodney6989]

@@willie1genesis714 we do both. The trouble is that the accounting is pretty murky.

[@cpullic]

You can usually tell the difference between camping and homeless by the smell !!

[@Fazzel]

So smelling bad is illegal?

[@THall-vi8cp]

@Fazzel It isn't the smelling bad that is the problem. It's what smelling bad means that is the problem: uncleanliness. Homeless encampments are dirty, heaped with trash, and attract rodents and other pests. Pests carry diseases. Not long ago, concerns were raised because typhus and tuberculosis started spreading in homeless encampments in Southern California. That is quite literally a matter of public health and safety.

[@QuintonPearce]

But it will continue because you'll are not addressing the root proble..which is our satanic jesuit corporation society..duh..😅😮

[@aaroncostello8812]

Homelessness isn't a crime. Vagrancy used to be. What's the difference? How comfortable in it you have gotten.

[@RAWBOT301]

There's a big difference between a homeless person living in the woods not bothering anyone and them taking over an entire sidewalk, forcing people to walk in the road.

[@datswassup9902]

@@RAWBOT301 most woods is private property

[@RAWBOT301]

@@datswassup9902 Wrong. Vast majority of unused land in the US is owned by the government.

[@JackArkitekt]

​@@datswassup9902 they are simple encouraging now homeless to occupy private lands, this government is joke, Supreme Court judges are proved that they don't deserve lifetime jobs at all and Revolution like 1776 or French type is due and inevitably happened in anyone lifetime now!!!

[@jamesborck5908]

Vagrancy requires you to have no money a city near me still has it on the books why I always have one dollar on me instead of just using debt card

[@conscientiousobjector5988]

Given enough time of this, you will own nothing...and be just as well off as a Palestinian.

[@pz3112]

Not as long as most the populous is armed!

[@benjaminhenderson5025]

​@@pz3112America has been armed from the start, hasnt stopped squat.

[@pz3112]

@@benjaminhenderson5025 Other than the fact we aren't speaking Japanese...

[@pz3112]

@@Joe-sg9ll Yes and they NEVER started a war out of the blue. It is easy to be that way when your society is set up like an ant colony. If not for American ingenuity Japan would still be a feudal monarchy.

[@Buck_Fiden]

no such thing as a "Palestinian"

[@vinnyshaughnessy6087]

Stop funding ukraine and help the homeless 😮

[@ml.2770]

We can easily do both, but we need to have more compassion for all human beings and less for inhuman corporations masquerading as "people" under our laws. It is not a zero sum game.

[@petersimpson633]

Yeah, like its one or the other, Putin bot

[@WizeGuyz2023]

Republicans say that all the time. Yet anytime the government suggests using tax dollars to help anyone for anything, it becomes "that's socialism no hand outs not my tax dollars!!!" Conservatives were fuming at the idea of using tax dollars to fix the Blatimore bridge and re-open the shipping port as quickly as possible.

[@webcrawlerfan]

I was homeless... was kicked out by roommate late one-night went to the nearest Church and rested on their steps and was woken up by Police trashing my belongings.. 99% homeless people are on DRUGS and that's all they care about.. that was over 10 years ago, nowadays it's running wild and people have taken advantage of slack rules where anyone can pitch a tent anywhere and NOT even CARE or TRY to be or do better to Be a Productive member of society. .. Government officials sit and talk about so many things and have NO idea what it's really like.. very SAD

[@QuintonPearce]

Right on .❤

[@davidkeith7087]

Yeah that's not cool- homeless ppl have rough time- if they're outta control fine-arrest them but otherwise leave them alone

[@adrielburned6924]

And maybe stop throwing used needles on the ground, defecating on sidewalks, trash everywhere, piles of stolen bikes chopped up to sell. This is the problem. If you just "let them be". I was homeless in a tent for 8 plus months. Zero garbage, zero drugs or stealing. You can piss on a bottle, crap in a bag and throw it away. No excuses to do it on the sidewalk.

[@ablejohnson]

Legalize Freedom America 🇺🇸

[@andrewfreeman5370]

Love you Sir Thomas

[@DoggosAndJiuJitsu]

This kind of nonsense technicality is why our country is in trouble. Having a picnic on a blanket is not the same thing as a transient setting up the an encampment.

[@RealJohnRedcorn]

This is all being done on purpose. Im nervous in what's to come! These people create problems and then tell you they have solution!

[@BarbaraPerez-ow5tr]

Like "I'm from the Gov and here to help"

[@steppentofortune7934]

If that ain’t the truth..

[@THall-vi8cp]

Hegelian Dialectic

[@forestchild3511]

Medieval America

[@x0rn312]

I think this was a pretty compelling argument opening argument.

[@jefftruax77]

So... I'm curious, If being homeless isn't against the law and Supreme courts rules individuals can NOT be arrested for mearly being homeless CAN EVERY PERSON ILLEGALLY ARRESTED FOR VAGRANCY OR HOMELESSNESS OPEN LAW SUITS FOR VIOLATIONS OF THEIR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS, FALSE IMPRISONMENT, ABUSE OF POWER AND OVER REACH OF LAW ENFORCEMENT???? It is ILLEGAL to deficate, litter, and do drugs.... those are arrestable offenses, NOT HOMELESSNESS

[@HappyGouldianFinch-cl3sw]

He need to be fired without no retirement package

[@johnpackwood3591]

There but by the grace of God go I.

[@marywemigwase3354]

They price us out of rent and home ownership. Employers failing to pay a livable wage . And no benifits and outrageous auto and insurance out of reach . Especially for single income homes. As well as unemployment denials of payment . What a country 🤬🤬🤬

[@albertmax9662]

Why don’t they house the homeless?

[@jo4n11]

It would cut into their country club fees

[@jeffren70]

How many do you house?

[@1981lashlarue]

Why don't you?

[@babyboomer9560]

Good vs evil

[@richknudsen5781]

@@fastesteddiealive Good on you but those "friends" were not drug addled or serial criminals or people with mental issues now were they? That is the reason for these ordinances, not because they are just homeless. So stop the bleeding heart crap already.

[@CraigCharley]

Real estate market has no desire to attract homebuyers

[@harrychildress4575]

The Public Land, weather or not Park or Right of Way is for “everyone to use”, and no for individual use. Right is way to be used to protest is unlawful, and to keep everyone blocked from use is a crime.

[@laertesindeed]

You are not allowed to steal public property and pretend it is your home. You're violating both the law and ethics.

[@johnpackwood3591]

We wouldn’t want to build more public housing or try to address the cost of housing one’s self, would we?

[@alexlikesfoood]

Lets be real. Some of those homeless men and women are veterans. Why do we continue to allow congress to send our tax money to Israel and Ukraine when we could be helping our own?

[@jo4n11]

Fire this supreme court.

[@_Hluxe]

They’re the only rational branch of government left

[@machinegunrilla8629]

It seems to me many of the spikes in homelessness correlate pretty well with the spikes in bad government policies and actions... then the governments response is to indirectly criminalize homelessness... pretty sick stuff...

[@jpvadakkekara7598]

It is time for Thomas to retire, without qualification.

[@janetmelton6890]

Thomas can “try” to build credibility. BUT, he has lost the respect of the educated multitudes. Resign! Should be impeached from his position.

[@MikeHunt-c5p]

Everyone in the 1930s wanted to work. They had dignity. Not so much now.

[@Michael-pi8ps]

Being a mailman/ construction worker/teacher was a job that paid enough to live a normal life in the 1930s. Not so much now.

[@Fazzel]

Who said every homeless person doesn't have a job? Just because someone is working doesn't mean there are times they can't find a place to live.

[@Testa717]

❤ 0:08

[@kennethcheesbrough6855]

So you get punished for something the government caused. How is that right and how is that humane, or even American?

[@jeepernj99]

Migrants first!!

[@SuperMrgentleman]

Next thing you'll tell me it's ok to steal food because you're hungry

[@johntucker2826]

I figured this out 50 years ago.....all over the USA there are multiple ordinances written specifically to target poverty ....I have not lately heard of enforcement of "loitering" but it was the same thing, only enforced upon individuals who could not pay for any services, regardless of their conduct.....and it serves as the backbone for zoning laws and many other local ordinances.....which make everyday life to be a lot more expensive than it needs to be and a lot more expensive inn the USA than anywhere else in the world.....

[@Alex-l1y5f]

If corporations, while laying off US citizens, can afford to pay for childcare for migrants upon employment and didn't give those perks to Americans, they can be taxed higher (locally) to at least help homeless vets, and if the fed gov't can afford $ on d3b1t c@rd$ to migrants, they can for homeless vets.

[@agresseur7184]

A shell game of words that does nothing to either point to a solution or provide cover for advancement. The use of the word migrant followed by vet has only the meaning of gas lighting but smells of sinister intent. Desist! Your diatribe finds no soil upon which to fatten.

[@GhostScout42]

@@agresseur7184 he should have said ill egals. some people actually come here legally, and dont get all that stuff. good job pointing that out

[@Alex-l1y5f]

@@GhostScout42 The point was the comparison/contrast between the perks for noncitizens vs those who are and between those who get $ they didn't earn vs vets who deserve it. Again, I didn't see you post it either, but apparently I have the will to post it while you and Agresseur are bean counters.

[@Jake4Truth]

The peanut gallery types here quibbling about what you posted are all form, but as you say, their lack of posting anything near what you have here shows they are not of substance.

[@Alex-l1y5f]

​@@agresseur7184The game is you complaining about me when you've posted nothing here elsewhere even close to standing up for homeless vets nor did I see you come up with a thread defending them. Get back to me when you care about vets.

[@jeremyallen9624]

Vote harder, everybody. That will surely fix government corruption, just like every other time.

[@abbyynorman2874]

Aghast at this one… 😮😮😮

[@johnathanrmstrng186]

What about when there is a federal disaster like a Hurricane on the east coast or flood or Tornado or Earthquake? After anyone of those is turns in a third world country for a couple months and may cause some people to be homeless. I saw a family who had a house that flooded and a near by Church helped them rebuild and furnish their house after the flood. So a group of people can help others from being homeless.

[@THall-vi8cp]

This ia really what should be happening. People have become so disconnected from one another that communities only exist on paper, but the human bonds that held them together are nearly gone.

[@peter-ek3uh]

Dems stopped reading at the point you said "what about"....because they call that .whataboutism!

[@laertesindeed]

@johnathanrmstrng Totally apples and oranges. When a hurricane hits an area where people already had homes, those are tax payers.... property tax payers. And emergency relief is just restoring them to the homes they pay government for. Homeless criminals stealing public land and acting like it is a home are not tax payers.

[@adamhodges3607]

She wright

[@bornfree0507]

Why would this have to be taken to the Supreme Court? Why don’t we know there’s an epidemic of homelessness in our country?!

[@THall-vi8cp]

Because it has been appealed all the way up.

[@BLUEDOGLIFER]

The politicians in our country live a sheltered life and think all homeless people are just bums.

[@Challeen]

Fascist politicians would rather give tax cuts than house people

[@lordraven2264]

Epidemic? Maybe you should stick to words you know the definition. "Spreading rapidly and extensively by infection and affecting many individuals in an area or a population at the same time." Homelessness does not apply in the slightest, especially since much of it is by choice and it is not an infection.

[@THall-vi8cp]

@lordraven2264 Since you looked in the dictionary, you should have noticed multiple definitions for the word _epidemic_ and found that there is one suitable for this context.

[@itscomplicated5507]

Not only would this allow the government to make homelessness a crime, it also allows the government to legally create slaves of the homeless under the 13th Amendment.

[@HippiePirates]

I’m real curious because if you spend more than 30 days on a boat in Georgia and Florida it is illegal and you are considered homeless. Complete bs. It seems it should be addressed. Our boat has everything a home has. Nicer than what I grew up in.

[@laertesindeed]

You don't own the river or ocean..... if you buy a property with a lake on it and you want your home to be a boat in that water you own, that is allowed under Florida law. But no, you can't be an ethically bad person and clog a public waterway. Same as you can't build a shack in the middle of a freeway and say it is your home.

[@HippiePirates]

@@laertesindeed I get it if anchor in one spot for a duration of more than 30 days. I don’t if it moves through the water ways over the course of a month. The sounds in Georgia maybe the keys could take a month to explore. Blocking water passages is illegal if you do it for 10 minutes as it should be

[@laertesindeed]

@@HippiePirates You answered your own question; Florida law does "NOT" make it illegal to navigate a boat in a public waterway; that waterway is not your home. The law does not need to be changed, your behavior does.

[@HippiePirates]

@@laertesindeed Nope. But I googled it because you obviously don’t like boaters. Florida and Georgia get federal funding for transients with in the inter coastal only. It completely makes sense in Georgia because coming out a sound and going in another resets the clock. No distance from shore required but a lot of times you have to go out greater than 3 miles. You can only stay in the sounds for 30 days because it is protected and I think everyone knows that. So, homeless is 30 days in a spot not 30 days along the coast. The East coast of Florida is the same but reset if you are 3 miles from the coast. The keys is different because of the Hawk Channel. You have to go outside the Hawk channel 3 miles. That’s where homeless counts comes in because it is a pretty coast but the information was again wrong. It’s greater than 30 days in one spot. Both over count to get federal funding and apparently mis use (according to google) the required definition. Now, I know you hate boaters going along the coast and spending money in Florida but why don’t they get funding for transients along the coast? Is it the shipping ports? Nope, I won’t stop and nope, there isn’t a damn thing wrong with what we are doing. There does seem to be an issue with how laws are applied and not how they are written. It seems more transient funding would be beneficial. I won’t be back down there until after hurricane season.

[@socal33]

Is she okay with someone sleeping on her front lawn?

[@dhlong1697]

Interesting tack, using Robinson.

[@lordraven2264]

It's a failed tack. Robinson deals with a recognized medical condition. Homeless is not a medical condition. Then they want to apply a "status" to homelessness, like the color of your skin or your sex. The problem comes that not all of us apply to that status. We all apply to a sex, religion, or color. Liberals never think about the consequences of their actions.

[@787UrbanApparel]

Why the supreme court needs to get involve ? , is a test of national unity , not a legal issue . Clearly we failed the unity test . We need another Osho in this nation ...

[@ElaineWood-f2t]

Once upon a time, state mental hospitals existed. They provided care and treatment for people with mental health issues. They weren't perfect by any stretch of the imagination, BUT these facilities provided food and shelter to individuals with mental health problems. Those facilities have been closed in most states. Jails and prisons have been forced to pick up the slack. Local hospitals have extremely limited bed space for people with mental illness. Oftentimes, it's easier and cheaper to take a mentally ill individual to jail than it is to take them to a hospital with a "psych ward." A large percentage of people who are currently living on the streets have some sort of mental illness that they are "treating" with alcohol and/or whatever drugs are available to them. It is entirely possible that IF mental health hospitals were brought back, it would have an impact on the homeless problem in the United States. JMHO

[@ldygzlle1291]

That is exactly the problem. Regan did a huge disservice by closing them.

[@lordstanley34]

No, people using a park bench temporarily for enjoyment or relaxation are NOT the same thing as those who remain in place permanently, ruining that enjoyment for others. That was never the intent of public spaces. To suggest otherwise is nonsense. To go further and say that another person’s negative outcome is society’s unending burden regardless is nonsense as well. “Help” (i.e.: actual assistance) vs. carte blanche to relieve oneself of personal responsibility are two vastly different things. Granting credence to this only invites the destruction of personal agency, in the long run, society itself. All part of the “progressive” plan…

[@joshuakalin718]

Well said

[@QuintonPearce]

Hell yea but we need to discuss our suck jesuit coopted society in with all thst becayae it's the logical thing to do..what you said still applies, I'm merely adding to the knowledge we need to solve this problem thanks 😊

[@larrysorenson4789]

Yeah but there is no constitutional right to have a home. Citizens have only the opportunity. Human nature leads people to accept all gifts from their neighbors without appreciation or a thought to paying back.

[@mr.crighton9491]

The conversation is out of control. I recall the 9th district court required that a "homeless" person/camper must have an option to chill out somewhere.....if they don't they may continue to maintain their site where it is. Lots of cities ( Ventura CA. for example) provide a place for these homeless to pitch their tents. if they don't take it, they get rousted. That's the deal. The cities who are plagued by these derelicts, like here in Portland, just need to have a place for these folks to stay. If they don't take it, away they go.

[@sammielawrence4781]

I don't like it as a former homeless man and an advocate... but this is the truth. Giving people a place to go is the main issue here. Once that happens; they are welcome to enforce their rules.

[@THall-vi8cp]

Yep. Of course, what happens when the shelters are beyond capacity? Here in Sacramento, some of the encampments got so big and dirty they had to be cleaned up by people in hazmat suits. Some of them down in LA had medieval diseases showing up. Back in the day, wealthy benefactors used to donate to shelters for the homeless and destitute, and at worked fairly well. I would think at least some of the rich do-gooders would consider doing the same today.

[@sammielawrence4781]

@@THall-vi8cp funny you say that because I left Sacramento to not join the homeless crowd.

[@user-eh5cr4or6k]

​​@@THall-vi8cp27 billion dollars in the last 5 years in commiefornia? Money not the problem, how it's spent is. If you truly understand government then you understand why this problem is not going away anytime soon and they're only going to figure out ways to make it become the next great industrial complex

[@anthonyplayground1402]

Becoming a homeless drug addict is wanton disregard for expected public standards. If you cannot maintain basic standards expected of a citizen, or even a human being and reduce yourself to a "breathing drug sponge" its in the best interests of the community and govt to take action to remove any risks towards other law abiding citizens. Liberty should then be automatically surrended to local government and if needed ..... the state prison system. This is the age of Judge Dread.

[@jbman413]

All of our ancestors were homeless one time or another...

[@Andrew-ty6ll]

And look at the state of the world now! /S

[@THall-vi8cp]

No, we just changed the kinds of homes we live in.

[@MichiganWalkabout]

You don't get to bash other peoples ancestors for decades then use them as a positive when it is convenient for you

[@waterloobear]

End dual citizenship in congress

[@veganpotterthevegan]

Weird thing to care about😂 It would be more rational to take citizenship away from everyone in the US without indigenous blood.

[@garyK.45ACP]

There is no "dual citizenship" in Congress. The United States _does not recognize_ "dual citizenship". You are a US citizen, or you are not a US Citizen. While the Untied States does not prohibit a person from having more than one passport, the United States does not recognize that person as being a "dual citizen" and does not legally recognize any other citizenship held by US Citizens. I am not guessing. I formerly worked in the USCIS and am married to a naturalized US citizen. While my wife holds 2 passports, (and is eligible for three) she MUST use her US passport any time she is entering the US and cannot claim another citizenship to avoid obligations as a US citizen...such as filing income tax returns, jury duty or a military draft. After years of background checks, interviews, tests, learning a new language in many cases, and medical exams, EVERY naturalized US Citizen swears an oath forsaking ANY loyalties to ANY other country. US citizenship ceremonies are most often open to the public, you should attend one sometime. Check the USCIS website for ceremonies in your area. Public ceremonies on July 4th are common in many places. Congress members swear an oath to uphold the US Constitution and ONLY the US Constitution. Naturalized US citizens are eligible to serve as Congress persons per the requirements of the US Constitution. "Ending" naturalized citizens being eligible for Congress would require a Constitutional amendment. There IS NO "dual citizenship" in the US Congress. Period. Some members of Congress, a notable one being Senator Ted Cruz, publicly renounced their "dual citizenship". This was a publicity stunt and nothing else. Cruz is the son of a US Citizen mother who was born in Canada and, as such, is a US Citizen by birth (which is why he is eligible to run for President, my wife can not). The US never recognized Cruz as a Canadian citizen, even though he was also eligible for Canadian birthright citizenship. The moment he was issued a Consular Report of Birth Abroad, (CRBA) and a US passport, he was a US citizen and nothing else...in the eyes of the US law. In US law, there _was no_ "foreign citizenship" for him to renounce. He did that because some people, ignorant of the US law, wouldn't vote for him if he didn't. Do not confuse political campaign stunts with the law. The US does not, and can not, involve itself in the issuance of citizenship and/or passports by foreign countries, nor does the US report the status of US citizens to foreign countries. When a person becomes a US citizen, in that moment, they are entitled to every protection under our laws and we do not report to their previous country that they have become US citizens. All laws regarding US citizenship are public record and are searchable in the device you used to post your comment.

[@THall-vi8cp]

Ah, yes. Let's grant citizenship only to those people whose ancestors did _not_ build the country. What a splendidly genius idea.

[@garyK.45ACP]

There is no dual citizenship in congress. The US does not recognize dual citizenship. You are a US citizen or you are not a US citizen. Naturalized US citizens swear an oath to forsake any and all allegiance to any foreign country. Naturalized citizens cannot use a "dual citizenship" to avoid any obligations as a US citizen, such as filing tax returns, jury duty or a military draft. Some politicians, such as Ted Cruz, "renounced" their dual citizenship in an unnecessary campaign stunt to get votes from people who are ignorant of the US law on the matter. The US does not forbid a person from holding multiple passports, because the US simply does not care. If you accept US citizenship through the naturalization process, in the eyes of US law, that's it, you're a citizen of the USA. The US Constitution allows naturalized citizens to be members of Congress. Changing that would require a Constitutional amendment. All of the applicable codes regrading US citizenship are searchable in the device you posted your comment with.

[@CivilizedWasteland]

oy vey!

[@workaholic5318]

Homeless people by definition are not residents. They are homeless, without address and without means of supporting a home. For this lawyer to refer to homeless residents is an oxymoron.

[@THall-vi8cp]

Not necessarily. A resident is someone who resides somewhere, and to reside means to live somewhere for an extended period, or permanently. Doesn't mean a house or apartment. Someone can literally live on the streets for years and truthfully say he resides there. Grants Pass is trying to prevent the homeless from living there by banning them sleeping outdoors. I understand why, but I also see that the situation is messed up for everyone involved.

[@sammielawrence4781]

Homie; census's use homeless people for population check.

[@natmurray3391]

They may not be residents of a home but they can be residents of a city, state, and country.

[@Distress.]

Residency is a legal term as well. Obviously if I live in a city and suddenly lose my house I don't stop living in that city.

[@JasonWoods-d1v]

As far as needing an address, where I live you can go to the package store and rent a P.O Box for 7 dollars a month. There is organized in every town that would give them money and provide a place to shower and clean up. So they could look and interview for a job. Understand life happens, but at some point you have to buck up and make a change.

[@sallylamore7443]

It’s a State issue related cause is their own policies!

[@KalijahAnderson]

There are about 600,000 homeless in the U.S. But there are 15 million vacant homes. Most of which are owned by banks. The banks could give a home to every homeless person and end homelessness, and only give up 1/30th of what they have. That's less than people pay in taxes, percentage wise. And they wouldn't even have to fork over the expensive ones. Value wise, it would be less than one percent of their equity. So this isn't about a homeless problem. It's about big money kicking the poor while they are down. We could easily solve this problem across the entire country, but Oh no, that would cut into the profits of the rich by a tiny percent, can't fucking have that.

[@headspaceandtiming2114]

This whole discussion is stupid. Enabling homeless needs to stop.

[@motorradleder]

Correct the grammar in your own comment before you call the discussion stupid.

[@mkyfinn73]

Causing homelessness needs to stop.

[@caronstout354]

Guesz he passed on John Oliver's offer of a "severence package"...

[@Soberfuzz]

So they can go sleep someplace and come back later.

[@C2yourself]

Homeless people do not have the right to violate city, county or state laws. Tax payers and municipalities are responsible for keeping public streets, walkways, parking areas, recreational parks and lakes clean and under order. Anyone in need of housing must follow local ordinances, take shelter were offered or be moved to a government controlled encampment. Mental illness, drug addiction and filth put the homeless and general public at risk. It's a crime to camp in a state park without paying is a crime to camp on public streets that aren't campgrounds. There are plenty of state owned properties that can be used for bording houses. A century ago single people often lived in boarding houses with furnished rooms, linens and 2 hot meals a day. They paid rent by the week or month. We need boarding houses again not apartments. Homeless people in a struggle need what they can handle and nothing more

[@deplorable1-2]

To be a vagrant isn't a crime. To establish a residence in an area that you do not own or rent is.

[@Fazzel]

I think that is what this court case is all about. Whether it is a crime. Public spaces mean just that. everyone owns them. Even homeless people.

[@deplorable1-2]

@@Fazzel Don't build or permanently occupy our space, for if you do you will infringe on my space and my time to use that space. Also, do not poop on our space.

[@BLUEDOGLIFER]

It’s a crime that we can’t do anything to stop having homeless people on the streets.

[@danielmartin7838]

Right

[@willie1genesis714]

remember when streets were for walking? due to the majority of transport being ... walking.... sure was nice not having so many cars on the road so people could walk.

[@walterengler5709]

And this is the key. The government is saying you can't set-up a camp or live in this public space. And if you break that law, you are committing a crime. The 9th circuit basically created a new right to housing for everyone out of nothing. They said a government cannot charge a person for such crimes if there is not enough housing for all individuals who need it at a level they can afford (IE $0 cost). They are NOT being charged or fined for being homeless, but for trying to live in a public area which IS a crime. And the liberals who want every single one of us to empty our pockets of everything we work for to pay for housing for these people who can't or won't contribute to society are fighting that concept of it being a crime.

[@Challeen]

Clarence likes Walmart parking lots when the billionaires aren’t giving

[@mtnn4459]

TENT CITIES HARM BUSINESSES - how tents on sidewakes make tourism a thing of the past. When tourists travel to a destination that they are not familiar with, they tend to focus on the most is safety and whether the city offers a destination that is appealing. Factors to consider about travel safety include available accomodations, health and safety concerns. Rows of tent cities lining sidewalks blocking access to businesses and sidewalk passage is a problem. I no longer go to SF or Bay Area (especially Oakland) or any sanctuary city because it is an awful place to be. Even going to the airport is avoided because of the safety concerns. TENT CITIES VS COMMERCE U DECIDE. #TOURISM #TAXREVENUE #IMPACT onBUSINESSES #supreme #court #law #homeless

[@petercristo992]

Justices Thomas, Gorsuch and Alito are guardians of freedom. 🇺🇲

[@benjaminhenderson5025]

Nothing says freedom like imprisoning people for not having money.

[@scottl.6932]

I understand that there is no crime to be homeless, but cities/towns do have laws against public camping, loitering, and public urination/defecation. Why aren't we enforcing those and protecting law abiding tax paying citizens?

[@dustin7037]

Most homeless people are addicted to something that brought them there. Sad, but legalizing sleeping in parks ruins the park for the rest of the tax paying citizens.

[@colonelangus8247]

I've been homeless due to disability from military service making it impossible for me to earn enough to pay for a home. I don't drink or do drugs, should I have been jailed?

[@barefootincactus]

No, they have little money and a low or non existent support system.

[@jeepernj99]

Very true Dustin.

[@dustin7037]

I said, "most."

[@richardt6256]

That's unconstitutional!

[@stansmith4871]

Homelessness should be a crime. Im completely over it

[@debbiej10101]

right? its not the homelessness per se, it's what they do (drugs, theft from people and businesses, littering, human waste wherever they please, hoarding crap, not cleaning up after themselves) I am over this and using mental health crisis as a blanket excuse for criminal behavior.

[@stansmith4871]

@@debbiej10101 ur right

[@Andrew-ty6ll]

​@@debbiej10101hmm wow its almost like having no home nor hope for the future leads to bad conditions. Who would have thought. Serious question: if you got laid off, denied unemployment or its simply too little and delayed to do much, you miss one on-time rent payment so you are evicted, have to throw out most of your belongings, the shelters to sleep in are dangerous and filled with bugs, and you spend every night finding bushes to sleep behind while either extremely cold or extremely hot. For days, weeks, months, years. Do you think you would be sane and sober still?

[@williamryan9195]

So if it is a crime then their incarceration you will end up paying for. Being unable to afford housing or ineligible for having poor credit score or lack of first and deposit or lack of references means legal punishment? You are ok with weird laws like that because you don't like homeless people?

[@stansmith4871]

@@williamryan9195 gotta do somthing dude this aint working

[@MathiasYmagnus]

It sounds like there was a lot more going on at the hearing. I would have liked a full account. My 2cents is that this is tied to healthcare costs / or just people cost in general accrued by the 'state.' If a homeless person doesnt go to a shelter i am betting their health risks are much higher. Without keans to pay the hospital will be forced to take the loss. However, I'm pretty certain that if the situation ever became too bad at ghe hospitals the 'state' would bail it out. Kind of surprised that the the person presenting the case would give up medical control for homeless control. It is easier to track homeless people if they 'need' to be at a shelter. A homeless person wandering is much more dangerous to the 'state.' OH! I bet this has something to do with the homeless people punching women in NYC.

[@dianejohnson3176]

Homelessness violates fundamental human rights such as dignity, the right to life, and the right to an adequate standard of living, which includes access to housing, food, & clothing.

[@Distress.]

There's no right to those things because they have to be worked for.

[@torturedsoul8066]

Do homeless have a right to the same things that poor people get? The poor get shelter and food and heat. Places are required to have bathrooms in them. A mailbox. A homeless person does not have that but the equal protection clause demands that it be provided. Does it require the government to fund homeless shelters for the homeless? So while a city may regulate its streets it is still required to provide a shelter for these people to stay in. I would think it would be at least in part federally funded. Have placement specialist to place these people into low income housing. They may need a programs that just provides an apartment and have a cafeteria because they cant be trusted with money. Addicts and mentally ill cannot budget money. Company's do it for the elderly and mentally disabled now. So homeless people have rights but they seems to have little in the way of legal advocacy. This is a good case to define homeless peoples rights and the governments burden. The Army provided furniture and I would expect these special housing units would be rented fully furnished. On site Armed Security would have to be a part of that to keep it from being over run with gangs. Free bus passes? How far does it go?

[@geewizz5311]

Homelessness=trespassing

[@jacklow8590]

What about not being homeless and being charged for camping on public forest land that you pay taxes on and paying for a discover pass just to drive on public forest road's? The next time I go camping I'll just say I'm homeless to not having to pay a fee?

[@theresabundy4002]

....wow not being homeless...what a genius idea!😑

[@garyK.45ACP]

The law in question is for a municipality, not a public forest. 🤪

[@mikhaelis]

Gotta love all those compassionate democrat strongholds that actively seek to punish and violate thenweakest members in their society for being homeless.

[@laertesindeed]

The "weakest members of society" are the tax payers that get abused and stolen from to give to criminal vagrants.

[@van6278]

Alot of homelessness stems back to welfare use. If you don't want to work the government will give you welfare and food stamps. Those kind of hand outs does not promote enthusiasm. What happened to peoples desire to have something besides a blanket and a box to live in. Which tree am I going to use this morning. Unbeleivable

[@jeepernj99]

This is 100% the truth. A lot of homeless people use their government welfare check to purchase drugs and remain homeless.

[@tbd-5160]

The irony is that everyone who spent months on the Oregon trail were homeless. Defacating and urinating in fields, sleeping outside. The hypocracy. We're mammals, we sleep outside.

[@THall-vi8cp]

Not really analogous to staying in a populated area and doing the same over and over. In some areas where homeless congregate, there have been reemergences of old diseases, such as typhus. I'm not sure if you've seen areas where homeless congregate and form their little hoovervilles, but they have to be cleaned up from time to time by people in hazmat suits. I'm not kidding. I live a half mile from one of these encampments. They are worse than some third world countries. Obviously, something needs to be done. Just shooing them away causes them to congregate somewhere else to the same effect. These people need help, and allowing them to dirty up the environment for everyone else (and themselves) helps no one.

[@tbd-5160]

@@THall-vi8cp I've been homeless. Don't you ever disrespect the homeless. Their entire day is survival.

[@branchingoutnurseries4403]

​@tbd-5160 ypu forgot the hours of looking for their next fix, then twitching for hours whilst on it, defecating in the streets and sidewalks, harassing others on their way to school and work, blocking traffic, impeding others and begging. that's got to fill at least a good part of their waking time. When does the survival stuff come in, when asking for money or standing in a line for food handouts?

[@THall-vi8cp]

@tbd-5160 Not disrespect, fact. I didn't call the homeless bad people or worthless. I stated what they tend to do and the results. As I said, I live a half mile from one of these encampments. It looks like they're living in a landfill and smells worse.

[@JackArkitekt]

​@@THall-vi8cpmost of workers in US are away from homelessness in 6 month or less if they lost their jobs...

[@JasonWoods-d1v]

We need to stop this insanity, allowing homeless people to sleep anywhere they feel fit. There is millions of jobs out there. Get a job and be a productive person in the community.

[@marcyking461]

If a person doesn't have a home, where do you think they should sleep if they have nowhere to go? I'm curious as to what your solution to homelessness is. Homelessness is sort of a catch 22 situation. You need an address to get a job so far as I know.

[@spoodlydoodler3552]

​@@marcyking461they have shelters for this sort of thing

[@spoodlydoodler3552]

​@marcyking461 and also, most employers will work with you if you do not have a permanent address

[@JohnPrepuce]

I don't even really care if they sleep somewhere for a spell, but these bums are setting up camps and taking over areas that are paid for by actual productive people. Now nobody gets to use the park because bums have turned it into a junkyard?

[@benjaminhenderson5025]

​@@spoodlydoodler3552 lol, completely clueless. Most employers WILL NOT work with someone with no address. Thats strait up bologna. I doubt 1 in 10 would be willing.

[@glennperez8169]

So why is the Supreme court wasting time on this and placing this issue ahead of many more pressing cases. Is it because they are ineffective at addressing more difficult cases and delay them to not come down on the wrong side of certain issues. Or show their bias in rulings. Surly not to uphold their dismal polling ratings. They should not be lifetime positions ,term limits and justices should not police themselves for crimes they commit.

[@Umustbecrazy]

I take supreme Court dummies for 400 ,what the daily double,

[@samuelmcgill-rl3lb]

BRING BACK VAGRANCY LAWS

[@kevinerbs2778]

The woman speakinf is blonde isnt she? Completely avoid the yes or no answer classic deverisionary tatic.

[@charlespittsjr604]

Homeless isnt illegal but all the crimes that come with it is .

[@cmoonkite]

Trump has supported camps set up for the homeless away from cities where they can get help with drugs etc and not destroy U.S. cities. The military could actually build these camps. The cost would not be that high.

[@garyK.45ACP]

Trump, 2024!

[@scottgagliardi5933]

The only branch of our government that makes sense right now

[@johnl5316]

being homeless is an action, not a status

[@DennisBocock]

Helping homeless ok feeding thieves gone junkies is not

[@victor.huy.8021]

Homeless is not a crime. Trespassing is. And so is burglary, stealing, and violence assault. Isn’t also illegal to camp in public areas, like sidewalks, parks, and alleys? I wouldn’t make illegal camping a crime, but get the homeless off the streets!

[@stevekim3217]

The Ordinances pertain to EVERYBODY , NOBODY is allowed to Camp in Parks and on Sidewalks.

[@samuelmcgill-rl3lb]

3 words ,GET A JOB

[@davidsonowski414]

Homelessness is not a crime its a choice of those who made the wrong choices and want others to pay for their poor choices to me its all excuses cop outs and BS

[@Dennycrane757]

I think I can guess how Roberts, Thomas, Gorsuch, Alito, Kavanah & Coney Barrett are going to rule on this one 😏

[@motorradleder]

Of course ! NIMBY.

[@garyK.45ACP]

The key to knowing the Supreme court is being able to count to 5.