Clarke and Dawe - The Energy Market Explained

"Wal Socket. Energy Consultant" Originally aired on ABC TV: 16/03/2017
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[@CRCinAU]

So even in 2022, 5 years on and we're in yet another energy crisis. This stuff is just timeless...

[@skazka3789]

"We need some of that gas here" Shit aged like milk

[@StevieCooper]

I was also just recommended this. They were great

[@menglandau]

It was filmed way before 5 years ago. John Clarke died in 2017.

[@StevieCooper]

@@menglandau yes your right. I remember being in my car parked at work when the news broke. Jon Faine was presenting the breakfast program, almost in tears.

[@ConstantlyDamaged]

"yet another" You mean "the same"?

[@jon-francis9289]

Five years after his death John Clarke is explaining things to me that I never quite knew or understood. We all have to go sometime but I doubt we will ever replace him. RIP Mr Dagg

[@MsHellcat08]

Some of us still mourn him; what a talent!

[@jmorton201]

Vale John

[@suh4771]

Imagine what John would have done with Morrison and the LNP Govt? Amazing man he was.

[@alankemp2415]

God Bless You Mr Clarke....RIP

[@normalisoverrated]

I had NO IDEA we Built the mines, only to sell them... Ridiculous!

[@fromthedumpstertothegrave3689]

Absolutely love it "They're still owned by the government" "The Victorian government still own them?" "No, the governments of Singapore and China, still a government though."

[@hoilst265]

"But didn't all the energy in this country - wasn't it owned by the Australian people?" "Yeah, we fixed that."

[@TheOneWhoMightBe]

"We fixed that." I laughed till I cried, then I just cried. :(

[@isthisnamegood]

Who knows caementicium. No ones actually tried. They've certainly called themselves socialists before.

[@FesteringFiesta]

Wow false equivalency much?

[@isthisnamegood]

I can call myself god emperor. It doesn't make it true. To be a socialist you kind of need to do more then call yourself one. But definitely agree with you #FeelTheBern

[@andrewthomas695]

If only life was so simple. There is no one solution Damotour. Such an attitude is pure folly. Any ideology, taken to an extreme, results in failure, typically tragically so. When there is a real market place, capitalism works well (compare the cold war era East Germany car Trabant with West German BMWs). But capitalism applied in scenarios where there is no market is to confound the very logic of capitalism. The end result is long term supply degradation, price gouging and holding people to ransom for essential services. Horses for courses.

[@andrewthomas695]

Nic Cage the Dick Mage Good point. The NAZIs were actuall faciasts, not socialists.

[@JesseSkates11]

"The Watt's are the same" hahaha

[@bvyner5727]

I didn't pick that up..haha!

[@Abdullah-gv3zo]

WOOOOOOW LOL

[@world-traveler880]

01:07

[@splintmeow4723]

🤣

[@AxelSpinnet]

"I'll try and imagine there is some." gets me every time.

[@cascode1192]

Australia's finest political commentators. Greatly missed.

[@j_sum1]

Kiwi actually.

[@cascode1192]

@@j_sum1 My intended meaning was that they were the creators of Australia's best political commentary.

[@j_sum1]

@@cascode1192 Sorry for my misinterpretation. Yes, greatly missed. And truly great.

[@cascode1192]

@@j_sum1 👍

[@expiredmilk3390]

"We don't have a system, we have a market."

[@gustavalexander8676]

I love this one its almost poetic. It also awakens the inner stalinist to the desire of a fresh round of nationalizations. We haven't seen those in too long. Hope you're doing well these five years later.

[@gustavalexander8676]

@David O'Halloran I was being tongue in cheek. But I agree. Any decent leftist would advocate nationalisation these days but its made out to be some stalinist fringe craze when mentioned in the public debate.

[@caementicium284]

@@gustavalexander8676 Generally speaking most people don't know what a leftist is. Thanks to people like Bob Hawke and Paul Keating and every member of the Labor party since (This also equally applies to Tony Blair and the Labour party in the UK and any other derivatives) we're stuck with a choice between conservatives and neoliberals. Which are ultimately just the same at the end of the day. The main distinction is that conservatives have given up being the tiny bit subtle with their grift that neoliberals are, and instead appeal to nostalgic social concepts roughly 20 to 30 years old as of each time they freshly state their opinion. They don't function differently in any meaningful capacity. And with zero legitimate leftist representation left within the political discussion you have people who interpret neoliberals as leftists because despite being deeply economically right-wing, they're slightly more left than the other guys so "those must be the leftists." Most democratically elected individuals are also either just as ignorant as this as the public, or psychopathic enough to feign ignorance. The premier of South Australia spoke on radio today regarding the energy crisis and while doing a good job of outlining how privatization got us where we are today, he immediately discounted nationalization as a possibility. Which on one level is fair, it'd be political suicide and the neoliberal and conservative tag-team have successfully done enough to doom us to eventually collapse by now, in that government budgets no longer have enough flexibility to do things that result in positive future outcomes(like nationalization). It's just a good honest admission from a neoliberal that they are not a leftist. Unfortunately the average Australian does not understand this admission and will continue to misinterpret political reality. It is also worth observing that we're buried so deep at this point that provisions within national and international law enforce exploitation of the public, in that to nationalize without providing reimbursement to the private owners of anything is more or less recognized as a crime nearly the world over. But nobody should forget that there is zero provision forcing private interests to reimburse the public when they inevitably fail(Which usually also rewards them with additional public funding). It's a one-way street, we're lying face down on the bitumen after the last car hit us and the next driver we'll collide with already has his foot on the accelerator.

[@gooble69]

@David O'Halloran "You dont need to be a Stalinist to think nationalisation of essential industries is a good idea." Well you do ... who decides what is essential? Just a rational Australian." 'Rational' isn't something you just claim, it is something you demonstrate. You seem to have missed that part out...

[@gooble69]

@@gustavalexander8676 "Any decent leftist would advocate nationalisation these days but its made out to be some stalinist fringe craze when mentioned in the public debate." Because it is exactly that. The energy issue has less to do with ownership and more to do with government subsidies for certain generation types over others. It's hardly a free market when the government interferes to artificially favour the less reliable energy generation types...But this is they ABC, why would you expect any balanced reporting...

[@TmanUtube]

This could be just as relevant in 50s years time, let alone 5 years ago. I really miss these 2 gentlemen.❤

[@Reoh0z]

I'd call it satire but here we are 5 years later and its still true.

[@jf7243]

Yep it’s the reality now, still, and to be real, it’s a bleeding scandal. Which of course is what you were saying.

[@thatellipsisguy8984]

No, now it’s tragedy…

[@qibriti3220]

Almost like if the population don't do something extreme about it, it'll NEVER change.

[@timmacnamara8939]

Six years 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@Jaxymann]

"It was obviously going to result in lower prices to the consumer, Brian, because there were so many other players coming into the market" "More electricity producers?" "No, more billing companies, Brian, but the key element was choice, they were being offered a greater choice" "Choice of...what?" "Choice of watt?" "Yeah" "No the watts are exactly the same Brian, the choice was who you could buy them from" Absolute gold.

[@deantaylor5177]

I see this passage as the most important one. The promise of the cure of the free market, without understanding that supply is staying the same. So we lose energy security, economies of scale and price consistency and gain profiteering and annoying TV ads.

[@geroffmilan3328]

​@@deantaylor5177 yeah the "free market" is meant to bring competition. Yet it always seems to bring monopolies in different industries.

[@pinballsmile]

Rest peacefully, Mr John Clarke. Thank you for your wonderful comedy. Condolences to your family and friends, and to Mr Bryan Dawe xx

[@MichaelLopresto]

RIP John Clarke. You were one of the greats. You will be sorely missed. We need you now more than ever.

[@mikmop]

This episode would have aired just 3 weeks before John Clarke died on 9/4/2017. RIP John. And 5 years down the track as I watch this on June 2022, it's just so prophetic. Who could have predicted that the now privatised electricity producers would be shutting down the power because it was unprofitable to supply. I love the line... Brian: "Who said it (the electricity system) was hopelessly inefficient??" John: "The people who wanted to buy it Brian". And my favourite line is... John: "It was obviously going to result in lower prices to the consumer because there were so many other players coming onto the market." Brian: "More electricity producers??" John: "No, more billing companies. But the key element was choice. They were being offered a greater choice."

[@andyman8630]

greater choice!! whom do you choose to fk-ewe-up-tha-khyber? pass!

[@gooble69]

"Who could have predicted that the now privatised electricity producers would be shutting down the power because it was unprofitable to supply." Actually this was called out years ago when home produced solar generation became popular. Too much energy created in the day when no-one needs it, but you'll never hear about it on the ABC, because solar is Jesus and Fossil Fuels are Satan etc...

[@LDU2U]

F_cking priceless that. LOL, or should I cry, that's my choice I guess.

[@nickmonk7945]

Thanks for making me crack up out loud again (at your comment)

[@1slandB0y77]

The more things change, the more they stay the same. This is still relevant and on-point 5 years after the fact...

[@frednutz1604]

And it's still happening. These two are brilliant.

[@David-lr2vi]

I see nothing has changed with the “energy market”. Still as relevant today as it was 5 years ago!

[@bupkissbananaband3237]

"no, more billing companies" XD that's one of the funniest thing I've ever heard

[@SilentHotdog28]

"Choice of what?" "No the watts were exactly the same Bryan." Bloody gold.

[@lynlockrey7372]

Brilliant again fellas. You hit on watts at the heart of it.

[@gwm2015]

"The watts were exactly the same, the choice was in who you could buy them from"🤣

[@Johnnralph]

Rip : John Clarke (29 July 1948 - 9 April 2017)

[@barbarapotter8698]

this is so spot on it makes me weep...

[@kushantaiidan]

What the fuck. They haven't aged. I was watching these geniuses when i was like 5 in the 80's and they are still going. The universe is a better place thanks to Clarke and Dawe.

[@bolge7777]

Awesome sketches, John was a one of a kind and I can't believe how long it took me to realise he was Fred Dagg also... 👍👍 Sorely missed.

[@gedsoft3793]

I was lucky, spent 1975 in EnZed and witnessed Dagg at his peak. Explaining how to install the new TV aerials on the roof, in gumboots, with a bar heater (because winter). This was just a regular PSA. I was impressed :D

[@betkay1018]

I dont know how they managed to do it all those years ago but they sure had a knack of realizing how nothing was going to improve ... Rather the opposite really - just loved this classic duo and still do !!

[@pacman970]

I remember watching this shit with my dad when I was younger and thinking it was boring as fuck. Today was the first day I found an episode of Clarke and Dawe funny. I must be growing up.

[@i_am_ergo]

Clarke and Dawe belong in a dictionary as an illustration for Satire.

[@teche1986]

"More billing companies" is absolutely bang on.

[@SeniorTripod]

Of all the segments these two did - this has always been among my favorites.

[@DRAFM1610]

Certain to be one of their masterpieces and a perfect summary of being screwed

[@MyJak68]

Oh how he will be sooo missed. GOLD

[@stevesoo8484]

"The watts are the same" You have earned my sub.

[@dfortini1056]

2023 - gone but not forgotten, RIP John!

[@marlboro-manmat295]

We had the problem of cheap electricity in New Zealand until Max Bradford fixed it.

[@welcomestranger]

RIP John. Thanks for joining us.

[@ducatirottie]

Beyond hilarious! these 2 are the best!

[@mattwarwick8135]

I had forgotten all about these champions and am now happily going back through them.

[@asdonut]

This is just as applicable now: frightening and still very funny.

[@graemesmith2742]

Spot on as usual, taped a short while back but still comes up every now and again

[@58deluxe8]

That about sums it up. Right on target. 5 years later we can see the wisdom of what he was saying.

[@rzbr00]

And still so relevant today

[@neillickfold]

How on earth does John keep a straight face. Just so funny.

[@betkay1018]

And Brian so capable and sincere in batting it back to him - both so sorely missed like great mentors !!

[@Celtic_Thylacine]

How does he do it? He permits himself the slightest little glint in his eye. It is a joy to behold when he does.

[@davexb6595]

Came here for comedy. Got a perfectly accurate summary of the topic.

[@spootot]

The truth hertz

[@staceyreck4382]

I miss these guys..... Amazing.

[@richspivey1553]

Its very funny and yet I can't seem to laugh.

[@cicada784]

Texas getting a taste of this now

[@mattdening647]

its hilarious, tragic and so sad all at the same time...

[@fredleong3986]

We need the brilliant satirists like John and Bryan more than ever. They were without peer and sorely missed .

[@DansModelBench]

Still relevant today

[@BB-pg2lg]

Having worked in the Energy Market I can verify this is all true.

[@tommoloney9363]

This is a gem, so relevant today. 😎 Pierre

[@pooopile]

"Wal Socket" LMAO

[@tylertheultimatebadass87]

Put that guy in a political position and he'd blend in perfectly We wouldn't even know he was there

[@benwilson6145]

Except they appear to know whats happening, unlike a politician.

[@nicholaswatson3896]

I surprised this channel doesn't have more subscribers, you two are hilarious. 🤣

[@SamMoffatt]

Probably on account of one of them being dead and no new content. Not much point subscribing.

[@johnnyboy562]

oh my god how have i never heard of these two before

[@sonicyou2007]

Government policy is take as much credit as you can when things are good and going well... and when things aren't - Blame Labor, Blame Renewables.

[@margaretarmstrong2445]

Five years later and they are pushing the renewables even harder in Australia. Five years later and it has become evident, at least in their own countries, that renewables are a disaster in the Northern Hemisphere.

[@frostychris89]

so good!

[@jmorton201]

And here we are again

[@scottyplife32]

These guys are the best Pointing out the corruption and hypocricy in a humours way

[@chrismiddleton9088]

Brilliant and how relevant today!

[@AnnieGrace777]

Best show ever

[@mickhealy572]

They have a great way of saying the aussie people got bent over and screwed ..

[@tonycittadini7761]

I always laughed watching these. Now just cry at the loss of such a talent

[@Zantsui]

yeah this needs to come back.

[@NathanNostaw]

Well, I'm glad that's all cleared up now. Clear as mud. One of those crying and laughing moments,.

[@liam3284]

This is what happenned yesterday.

[@MsSilver41]

If only john was still here in 2022

[@johnaiken457]

This is brilliant

[@bensas42]

I love you guys

[@ProffessorYellow]

2023 and Clark and Dawe are no-less relevant. Love it.

[@ComaDave]

R.I.P. Fred Dagg. :'(

[@frogmouth]

Still spot on

[@allanpan1300]

spot on analysis

[@ccv6741]

This is GOLD!

[@MrButtonpresser]

So very very prescient in 2022!

[@Ccs1989]

Perfect.

[@senatorbabet]

Timeless.

[@digitalnduja8503]

Love it!

[@gregorysagegreene]

I remember in the bottom of the U.S. recession in 2010, selling electricity biller changes door to door in Queensland. One poor old woman was crying to me that she already had an Indian coerce her to swap over three times.

[@droopz90iroc]

"Choice of Watt?" gets me every damn time.

[@MseeBMe]

Geez I miss John Clarke.

[@Chris.Davies]

We don't know how lucky we are! We don't know how propitious are the circumstances! RIP, Fred Dagg!

[@mdredhwansiddique7831]

These guys are unparalleled 😆

[@CM-eo7pj]

Absolute Legend

[@ReasonableFaithSA]

Lovely.

[@sabbathguy1]

I'm glad nothing's changed in the 5 years since this was published

[@francesblabey3055]

Good God astounding 2022

[@hummer3694]

Thanks Brian. Brian...thank you Brian.

[@DandamanV]

I can't believe how relevant this is...

[@goodkawz]

2021-03-16. USA Oh my! I think I understand our new US energy policy now.

[@Coolsomeone234]

HOW DOES IT REMAIN SO DAMN ACCURATE. Screw privatisation

[@chuckswaim]

It reminds me of the old Abbott and Costello skit “Who’s on First?” 🤠👍✨

[@stephenreeds3632]

Thatcher's arguments perfectly explained.

[@martinhastingsis]

WELL said FRED. R.I.P Trev

[@davidgroenewegen3901]

RIP

[@mitch19636]

rip Mr Clarke.

[@Watchyn_Yarwood]

So very true, in America anyway, today! Just read an article trying to explain high natural gas prices in the US being caused by exports. The statement was "we are exporting natural gas and importing higher prices".

[@MrBernardthecow]

This is Mastermind meets Yes Prime Minister. Brilliant videos.