Clash of the Classics - 1964 Ford Thunderbolt vs. 1964 Olds 442

[@jimgoff1170]

I have seen some Thunderbolts run in the 9’s here in Oregon, at little Woodburn. Granted they have modern tires, and 50+ years of tunings. But pretty impressive! There is nothing quite like watching the old iron rumble and then rip through the traps in the 140’s!

[@TimberWolf429]

I have to go with the Thunderbolt, unlike the 442, the Thunderbolt was a really special car, low numbers of production, and blistering power numbers, made an ultimate track beast.

[@grhylton]

how could sane man not choose the ford in this case

[@kemosabegt350geuss6]

What is young dude talking about? I see the 64 T-bolt and I see Bridget Bardot or Racquel Welch in 1 million BC. When I was 12 years old(in 64) a T-bolt showed up at Quakertown Pa. dragstrip. It beat everything there until an an altered injected gasser edged it out. When the Fairlane ran it was the only time everybody in the pits stopped what they were doing and lined the guardrails to watch the action. Maybe hes more into Ariande Grande. Oh well to each his own.

[@johnkendall6962]

While they may technically be street legal I doubt if many Thunderbolts were licensed, registered and insured to be driven on the street. With the low gearing and 11.5 to 1 compression ratio demanding race gas it was really for track use only.

[@barryrussell4106]

Thunderbolt wasted the hemi dodge lightweights. Have y’all lost your minds? Hemi the motor that was king of muscle motors and defined the muscle era. An icon and the thunderbolt killed it.

[@josephfreeman3816]

Barry Russell. Yes the 1964 427 high riser Thunderbolt would and could beat the hemis. In stick..couldn't do it in SS Abecause zchrysler had the rugged ztorwueflite trsns best in industry.

[@lewisshepard9239]

Barry Russell,have you not ever heard of the 68 HEMI Dart LO23 ??? It would smoke the Thunderbolt.

[@Loulovesspeed]

@@lewisshepard9239 - Too bad it wasn't even around when the T-Bolt was ruling the 1/4 mile! Lol

[@lewisshepard9239]

@@Loulovesspeed that was the reason the HEMI was introduced in 66 was to compete with the the Ford 427 thunderbolts. It wasn’t even a race. The HEMI beat the shit out of em,and have been ever since. lol

[@Loulovesspeed]

@@lewisshepard9239 - The HEMI was introduced to drag racing in '64. And who won the 1964 NHRA Superstock Championship......the 427 Thunderbolt did! Beat the shit out of the 426 Hemi. Lol

[@danielhemple8649]

You're comparing a factory drag car that was never meant to be on the street against a streetcar

[@WmArthur]

The Thunderbolt was a monster and 100 times the car the olds was, or the gto. Maybe a bit overstated, but If you gave me a choice I'd have to take the T-Bolt

[@aregularfishingguy6203]

Fairlane all the way

[@wickedsnake8032]

yes

[@earthtruthhunters1642]

Upwards of 550 HP. Seen vids of a 64 T/Bolt just recently (one of the 10 or so racing models) that was running 9.23/148 mph. That's Dodge Demon times from a 55 year old car. Absolutely ass kicking beast. God bless you guys and shout out from Toronto Canada.

[@68bobba2]

T-Bolts ran no where near 9.23 from the factory...try mid-high 11s

[@fcaughli]

@@68bobba2 There is so much fake info people are regurgitating on you tube it's almost to where none of the truth is believed.

[@michaeldeakin4287]

@@68bobba2 I agree but the terminal speeds would be 120-125, as the tyres were very poor back then.

[@johnjohnsn7633]

@@68bobba2 He was referring to today's 1/4 mile times ... not 1964-65 times.

[@johnsears4197]

just seen that guy running in the 9s incredible

[@larrylewis6725]

My mom was smart in the early 60's when she got a 1964 Ford Fairlane 500. That was and has been a great styling car. Wish I could find another in good shape today. Then she needed to replace that car with a little bigger car that could handle a family of four comfortably and still have some get-up-and-go power. Well, I found her a 1969 Plymouth 440 HP GTX. She fell in love with it and bought it. When she passed away I got the car. Sad to say i had to let it go a few years ago. The 1964 Ford Fairlane 500 is still awesome!!!

[@garybrinker4522]

64 Fairlane 2d ht v8 will be at an auction this saturday near Wahoo Nebr.

[@rugerrocker7483]

Thunderbolt, Ford threw the gauntlet down. Did you say POS WHAT, the thing was a factory BEAST and that thing ATE everything on the strip.

[@rhondal1]

I used to love watching thunderbolts racing mopars and chevy's back in the mid 1960's at Detroit Dragway (no longer around). The way the whole body lifted up and forward when they took off. On the other hand, I took delivery of a new 1966 442 in July 1966 after seeing them dominate their class at the dragstrip. My vote, Thunderbolt at strip, 442 on the street!

[@BillMiller43]

At one time Buick held the most "NHRA STOCK class records. Can't find anything out about the NHRA Stock Class records by year online? One weekend I was forced to run C/Factory modified with my '55 Ford Fairlane! Just because there was a 4-bbl carb on my 272 V-8.

[@Loulovesspeed]

@Ron and Gail - You must be close to my age as I too remember watching the manufacturer battles at Connecticut Dragway - also no longer around. I admit to being a Ford fan but I have to say I was continually blown away by the power those big, heavy 442s put out and how many victories they achieved in the stock class. I agree with your vote!

[@johnpicano3630]

I lived in Detroit in the 1960's -till 1970 was Detroit dragway every weekend Fords all the way had a 1961 galaxie 390 tri power real 401 hp 4sp , and also a 1969 Mustang Mach 1 428 super cobra jet also 4 sp candy apple red wish I had both those cars today

[@kimmorrison9169]

two completely different cars. you don’t compare them

[@davesrvchannel4717]

First year of 442 was packaged as B-09 which was a package designed for police cars, hence why the ad shows cops in a 4 door. As far as a 2 door cutlass model they only produced 2,999 of them. If memory serves they only started making those in February, so most of production year had passed since most 64 new products came out in fall of ‘63. In 65 the car got changes of options and the car had better marketing. In 64 it was all 4-speed, after 65 it could even be automatic

[@paulne1514]

You’re wrong about the 64 cutlass not being an old persons car. My Grandparents bought new a 64 cutlass, 2 door, F-85 with a 394 4-barrel, 2 speed, power steering and brakes. When I asked them why they bought such a fast car they said, it was the demo, and they liked the ride. It lasted until 1978.

[@paulne1514]

You’ll hate me for this. I used to have a job at a scrap yard, where I had to pick up the cars and put them in the crusher. It broke my heart when I had to pick up my Dad’s 1958 Chevy truck off his trailer. I ran a grapple crane, so it wat partly crushed as I picked it up. I tried to save some of the cars, but wasn’t allowed to. 1970 Monte Carlo SS, Saleen mustang, 1976 Lincoln mark 4, 1970 ? Nova SS, . I have to stop. Am getting sick all over again.

[@johnpicano3630]

The Ford Thunderbolt is far superior compared to the 1964 Olds 442 there really not in the same league

[@basilcarroll9729]

At the strip yes, but the Olds is far superior on the street and highway as far as handling is concerned. The 64 442 was the first year for the rear sway bar in the GM A body and it had a larger front sway bar along with special shocks and springs. Two completely different cars.

[@Loulovesspeed]

@@basilcarroll9729 - It all goes back to whoever the numbnut was that thought these two cars were in any way whatsoever comparable! It just makes no sense at all. Might just as well have compared the Bismark to a tugboat. As I indicated before, these 2 clowns should get away from cars as they clearly know very little about them. One of the dumbest videos I have yet seen!

[@gregoryb7485]

Phil Bonner drove a thunder bolt ,IN THE 80S HE BOUGHT A 427 FROM MY DADS FRIEND TO RUN NOSTALGIA RACE'S. HE LIVED IN FORSYTH COUNTY GEORGIA

[@BillMiller43]

I'll take the ThunderBolt! FYI, the transmission was a Borg-Warner T-10, used by Ford also. I used to charge chevy guy $100 to replace their syncronizers. As Ford sold them seperately, but Chevy dealers only sold the assemblies for much more than $15 like Ford did. It was NOT a Chevy transmission. We used to detune my Ford for the street, but could change it to race tune in 15 minutes. Which required Sunoco's "Concentrate" at their pump. NOT sold normally to customers. Over 110 octane.

[@BillMiller43]

Back in 1966 my 1955 Ford Fairlane with a 272 V-8 3 speed turned a best time of 15.12 at the strip. Heads had never been removed.

[@josephmclennan1229]

My 61 Comet 170 six , did 21.60 what a thrill.

[@Loulovesspeed]

@@josephmclennan1229 My 2002 SVT Focus did 15.4 @92 in the 1/4 mile - a normally aspirated, 2 liter 4 banger, 6 speed, good for 135 mph top speed!

[@johnjohnsn7633]

@@josephmclennan1229 My '65 Comet 202 2-door sedan equipped with the 200 cu.in. 6 and "Three-on-the-Tree'" trans ran low 18/high 17 second 1/4 mile times ... completely factory stock.

[@bogiewheelman71]

For price affordability the Olds 442 , for performance the Thunderbolt .

[@amyh4606]

5:00 The tbolt was a factory racer. It was never intended for street use. The high riser heads were always going to be unstreerable

[@Saffsa]

Like Most so called Drag racing Streetcars today 😂😂 straight streets with no corners 👍👍

[@lawnmowermanlawnmowerman9930]

442 could never touch the Thunderbolt.

[@USCG.Brennan]

Yes, and here's why. You couldn't say that if it were a '65 442 with the 400ci or a '64 GTO with it's 389! The T-Bolt had a HP 427 while the '64 Cutlass only had a small block 330!!

[@Loulovesspeed]

@Curt Brennan - Yes he would have said that because there is no way a street production car like the '65 442 or '64 GTO would even be the slightest threat to a factory lightweight purpose built drag racer like the 427 Thunderbolt. Hell, my buddie's old 65 Fairlane GT, 390, 4spd would trail the equivalent 65 GTO up to maybe 70 mph then the Fairlane left the goat in the dust. The Thunderbolt won the 64 NHRA Super Stock Championship for Ford beating among others, the 426 Hemi Plymouth. The Thunderbolt was King then!

[@USCG.Brennan]

@@Loulovesspeed I know all about the Thunderbolt (I was there) and it was a VERY limited production high performance RACE car. Comparing it to an off the sales-lot 64 GTO or 442 is rediculous. And I also had a '67 Fairlane 500 390 4speed so I know what you're talking about there too. I just think they should have done a better job comparing "apples to apples" instead.

[@USCG.Brennan]

@@Loulovesspeed Yes agreed....my point was "could never touch" when that just isn't true. I think the GTO and later model 442 would have put up a good fight. In all honesty I wonder what the quickest times were for the 3 cars (with the 442 having the 400 engine of course)?

[@Loulovesspeed]

@Curt Brennan - OK, the later 442 and GTO would put up a fight with a normal production Fairlane GT 390. My point is that these cars too wouldn't stand a chance against the factory built 427 Thunderbolt.....it's in another class of drag racing that the 442 and GTO didn't compete in - NHRA Super Stock. It won the NHRA Super Stock Championship for Ford in 1964. Read 68bobba2 comment below.

[@jeremythompson9895]

Should've been the Thunderbolt vs a 426 Max Wedge Plymouth Savoy or Dodge 330.... Or a 67 442 vs a 67 Plymouth GTX. The two cars in this video couldn't be more opposite

[@JC-gw3yo]

ya.... that makes sense now !!!!

[@zxtenn]

AGREE 100%, strictly a DRAG car VS a 330 inch Cutlass, imagine selling a 'muscle car' with a 250 axle???

[@EvansBrosRacing]

Or a 64 plymouth Hemi car . The comments by the younger guy are just lame

[@backcountryshitok]

I agree. I was thinking they mustve made a 442 with a 427 chev motor or something. This is comparing apples to potatoes

[@redlion9199]

Can't catch the Tbolt Try try try.

[@bigjer2899]

THE THUNDERBOLT WOULD SUCK THE DOORS OFF THE CUTLASS WHEN PASSING ON THE STRIP. NO COMPARISON. I HAD THE CUTLASS...TRUST ME.

[@arthurtirrell661]

You are comparing two completely different vehicles. You have a factory race car and a rebadged F85.

[@garybrinker4522]

442 is a large car..Not a fair comparison ..Ford forever !

[@alanhardman2447]

Gary Brinker - Large car? The Cutlass/442 was solidly in the mid-size segment, just like the Thunderbolt. Ever heard of the Delta or Holiday 88 or the 98? Those are the big ones.

[@garybrinker4522]

@@alanhardman2447 Thanks for the reply. I guess that 442 can be a midsize, but still looks a bit larger than the early Fairlanes ,62 -65 maybe closer to the 66 -72 Fairlanes..

[@raymondniven5281]

Nice choice of outro music!!! I like the Thunderbolt

[@hallburnout70]

thunderbolt, not a fair comparison tho.

[@zangzang1268]

Thunderbolt was a Super Stock race car, the 442 was an over the counter dealer street car. Not even close to a valid comparison. The Thunderbolt wasn't available to the general public.

[@anthonygideon2255]

Generic motors. Nah I'll take the T-bolt

[@jeffpedals]

I'm here because of Thunderbolt. So that's my pick obviously.

[@Wonderwrench]

T bolts sold for one dollar not 3k+. You had to race Fords and sign a contract that stated you would never drive the car on the street. Oh and Ford asked you to buy one not the other way around.

[@topgeardel]

As a kid, this is one Ford that I remember that was capable of beating the Chrysler Hemis at the strip. Otherwise, Chrysler owned everybody.

[@josephfreeman3816]

True.

[@gearyheidinewaccount3237]

Lol Grump smoked hemis with a 327!

[@jimjungle1397]

There were some 1964 Thunderbolt Fairlanes built with automatic transmissions and they didn't have Ford automatic transmissions, but had Lincoln automatic transmissions.

[@johnjohnsn7633]

51 "autos" to 49 "4-speed" trans.

[@Loulovesspeed]

@Jim Jungle - Yes, and unfortunately, Ford's automatic was inferior to the Chrysler Torqueflite, so the 4 sped versions were the best choice.

[@dandahermitseals5582]

I came to see these 2 race. Unfair match up. I had the 65 442 and that 330 F 85 was a docil street cruiser. Mine ruled at the 1/4 mile.

[@JohnW1711stock]

You are comparing a factory race car, to a street car. The Thunderbolts were half fiberglass, 427, dual 4 brl., race only. The 442 had one Q-jet on an iron manifold, and weighed about 3500 LBS! The Olds had a heater, a radio, and closed exhaust! The T-bolts ran against the 64 Hemi cars, they were all factory NHRA Super Stocks.

[@burtvincent1278]

Well guys look at the comparison of the market values of the two cars. That alone should tell you what percentage of the population thinks along your lines of logic. It is what it is, Ford is 10 times the value of the 442 so obviously more desirable to more people.Your opinion is your own but definitely in the minority.

[@johnpicano3630]

market value of the FORD THONDERBOLT $ 250,000 to $350,000 , OLDS 442 $5000 to ?25000

[@mmike76]

1964 fairlane thunderbolt named "lobolt" I have a clone. The worst handling car I have ever driven. I now have it at the shop putting a NASCAR suspension so I can drive it. Those guys back in the day driving this 11 1/2 sec beast should be given an award.

[@Loulovesspeed]

@Michael Hoffman - A good handling suspension is much, much more critical to the performance of a road course racer than any straight line drag racer - not even close because the only turning they do is at 10 mph at the end of the strip! Lol

[@68bobba2]

A lightweight factory built S/S drag car Vs a Street car?....Slight mismatch there. Compare a T-Bolt to a 1965 A-990 Plymouth or Dodge S/S...Both specially built factory drag cars

[@craighirsch450]

I agree

[@johnrunion8989]

As the owner of a new “64 GTO,I can tell you that these early 442’s got tired of getting beat up by other performance vehicles of the day.There was a ton of drive -ins and street races in those days,and I was at most of those,if not actively participating.I’ve seen every unmodified muscle car go up against each others do this Cutlass was near the bottom.It was hurting their sales,thus the W-30 in the works stopped the bleeding,but was still not at the top of the heap.

[@Bbbbad724]

I agree, the 330 at 370 hp? A 66 Ford 390 GTA killed the 330s. The 400s were a different animal. I built an 0A1 442 400 and I had to build.040 over 390 with CJ valves in 1966 C6AER tall port heads, a solid lifter 427 cam, headers and a 780 3310 in my 2dr Sedan Fairlane to beat it every time. The 66 Olds ruled C/S and C/SA in 66. They had 3 2V _2GC carbs and a raunchy cam, 67 the put the QJet. on and they still did well.

[@michaeldeakin4287]

The comparison should have been the Thunderbolt against either a 68 Hemi Dart, or Barracuda.

[@backcountryshitok]

64 hemi car

[@robertsnyder5149]

I like the T-bolr because nobody would mess with you. It could easily blow the doors off the Olds!

[@Loulovesspeed]

@ROBERT snyder - Reminds me of a guy in my old home town who bought a '67 427 Cobra new, and I said to him once you must get a lot of Vettes at stop lights wanting to see what you could do! His reply to me was, "Not really, I think they know better and don't want to embarrass themselves". I never forgot that!

[@NoStringsAttached777]

You can't compare s purpose built drag car with warmed up cruiser. I like the 442 though I am biased as my toy car is a '65 Cutlass 330.

[@russellfederici865]

The 442 , had a 1967 back in the day , boy do I wish I had it now 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@redlion9199]

Ford has acompleshed more than any car manufacturer. AC shelby cobra. GT 40 .. shelby mustang. Who went to Italy. Ford. First on race day!!! Many records held to this day. Facts are facts.

[@fordfairlane662dr]

Fairlanes Thurderbolts all kinds of great fords

[@briana3467]

Any one t-bolt is worth 10 Oldsmobiles.

[@randycoursey7230]

The Thunderbolt has incredible drag racing history. It was pure drag racing right from the factory. Otherwise it's simply a Fairlane.

[@Bbbbad724]

Ray Paquet is in the 8’ with his 427 car now. That’s close to 1000 hp.

[@johnpicano7571]

The 1964 Ford Thunderbolt was the fastest car in those days ( I was too young at that time to buy that car) but the 442 Olds major mis-match no comparison diffidently the Thunderbolt.

[@jeremythompson9895]

Definitely the fastest car you could get in 1964. Besides MAYBE the very few Mopars that escaped the factory that year with the 426 Hemi before NASCAR banned it

[@Loulovesspeed]

@Jeremy Thompson - The Thunderbolt is strictly made for drag racing - no NASCAR - and it beat the mighty hemi which is exactly what it was designed to do.

[@68bobba2]

@@jeremythompson9895 -Chrysler debuted the 426 Hemi (in Nascar)in Feb,64,at the Daytona 500,they didn't get the their Drag Race Hemi's running properly until after June, 64,...which is why the T-Bolts had so much success that year(the Pomona winternationals,was one example where the T-Bolts dominated the S/S class). Yet in 1965,at the Pomona winternationals..there wasn't a T-Bolt to be seen..,.The entire field was made up of Dodge & Plymouth A-990 Hemi cars .

[@chadkent1241]

@@68bobba2 ford wasn't putting money behind the Tbolts after Gas Ronda won the '64 championship, instead they focused on AFX and Dragster with the new 427 SOHC

[@karltite128]

T.bolt my favorite Ford. I drive daily a 70 Falcon wagon. 250 inline, one barrel, automatic. Owned it 20+ yrs. I give 350 bucks for it. (bought got it paid off). No power options. It's a beater, buts it's the best used car ever owned. Never had it any fails that were catastrophic. Damn I got go, getting a little misty here.

[@jmsiii4751]

I love the stock looking badass Ford Thunderbolt! A legendary factory drag car...

[@robintaylor1490]

There is nothing factory about this car, it was built at a speed shop. Dearborn steel tubing .

[@jmsiii4751]

@@robintaylor1490 That's what stock looking means...

[@robintaylor1490]

@@jmsiii4751 stock looking yes, factory drag car no !

[@jmsiii4751]

@@robintaylor1490 Sorry, you're wrong. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Fairlane_Thunderbolt

[@robintaylor1490]

@@jmsiii4751 you need to look further ... Dearborn steel tubing.

[@82zephyr]

I could care less about creature comforts.... my fairmont has manual brakes and steering. Hell I drove it without heat for a few years.

[@cjpamp1267]

My Father bought from his brother a 1965 oldsmobile 442 I was 13 years old at that time it was a awesome car 4 speed no power steering or brakes my uncle bought it for speed this car beat a lot of cars my father raced as my mother screamed at him to stop

[@Loulovesspeed]

@CJ Pamp - I used to watch NHRA drag racing in the 60s at the long gone Connecticut Dragway and never really thought of Oldsmobile as any kind of potential drag car. But WOW! When I saw those potent, heavy 442s haul ass down the 1/4 mile I developed a new found respect for them. Among the fastest big cars I ever saw!

[@gibby232323]

All Take The Thunderbolt!

[@nathanadrian7797]

T Bolt all the way!

[@colin6769]

total mismatch -- Love Olds's, especially the 442's, but hey who in their right mind would turn down a Thunderbolt? a better choice would be the Goat or 442. IMHO

[@johnjohnsn7633]

The "split" was 51 equipped with special "Lincoln" Cruise-o-Matics and 49 with Borg-Warner T-10 four speed transmissions. And the rear axle ratio was/is actually 4.57-to-1 ... not "4.58".

[@bobelder7214]

T Bolt's Forever

[@tonydow8035]

Umm.. no offense but you guys left a lot out on the T-Bolts. The car held the IHRA record for many years, Mopar could NOT compete against it so they protested the cars classification to the point it was disqualified until the front bumper was replaced. So calling it a "POS" is laughable at best, but then again.. I am a lot older. Mopar has NEVER EVER beat Ford at this game, upto and including the 70' Elephant powered Cuda's. Facts do not car about Mopar owners feelings. And when Mopar can take Ferrari and beat them, we can all applaud. But it has not happened. Also, I am not that "Old generation" guy. I can squeeze 314 hp out of a 2014 Ford FocusST, 1288 hp out of a 1990 2JZ, and the sky is the limit on a Coyote or LS/LT platform. All while still being able to ear tune an older W or Y block LT1 Stroker. I appreciate all builders and my boys taught me as much about laptop-tuning as I did them about unique crank/rod/balance combos.

[@TheGeil8500]

You must not know anything about horsepower and torque. I am most likely older than you and know for a fact that in that time era the Chrysler Hemi had just came out and was dominant on the quarter mile track and still is to this day. Funny cars and dragsters to this day use the 500 c.i. aluminum block hemi nitro burners that still dominate. Get real.

[@tonydow8035]

@@TheGeil8500 Not sure how old you think I am and really could care less. But I would never create another profile just to respond to someone I disagreed with. You feel me son?

[@nathanadrian7797]

If Ford's are all that and a bag of chips, why do so many of them get a Chev 350 or Cummins Diesel transplant? Isn't it hard to brag up a company whose own fans choose brand x engines?

[@Loulovesspeed]

@@nathanadrian7797 Most old Ford hot rods get Chevy engine transplants only because Chevy small blocks are far more plentiful than equivalent Ford engines, which also makes them cheaper in price. However, take a look at virtually every one of those cars and you'll see a Ford 9" diff. in it - practically bullet proof and much stronger and more reliable with big horsepower going through it than any GM rear end!

[@nathanadrian7797]

@@LoulovesspeedThe Ford 9" is a thing of beauty, but it ain't no Dana 60

[@LanceisLawson]

The slowest Thunderbolt was still faster than the fastest 442........way faster!

[@rdlykryk4384]

The Olds did have a nice body but everybody knows that nothing could touch that 427.

[@8632tony]

My brother's first car was a '64 442. Sky blue with a white top and white interior. Very nice car, until he repainted the thing in a nasty dark green. He didn't like the change, either, so he moved to a '66 Corvette.

[@dennislangston487]

Yep, we'll all pick a car valued at the price of a stripped down minivan over a 1/4 million dollar limited production collectors dream car . If I had to drive it every day to deliver groceries,,,,,,maybe. I'm not really sure even then. Hard to imagine someone able to drive a Thunderbolt having to deliver groceries...lol

[@Loulovesspeed]

@dennis Langston - The T-Bolt was a pure drag racer, never meant to be a street car like the 442.

[@jeffcolt9185]

I'm a GM guy but I'm going to have to give this one to the Ford

[@LanceisLawson]

No doubt at all...Thunderbolt!.. I was fortunate enough to have built a 427 hot rod in 1968. Only the Hemi Cuda offered a serious contest. But there was nothing from GM sans the 427 Corvette that could touch it.

[@happyfreeliferc]

Escort's from Englad and Germany would have been awesome to have here in the US !!! but alot of deaths would have happened (imho)because of the awesome engines in them !! 4clinder beast's !!! Love my 427" and 460's though

[@stevepeterson8956]

Fairlane all the way kicked the 442 and the GTO all the way

[@lesliegreenberg558]

Apples-oranges?. ..11.6.....second dragstrip terror. Vs. 15 second street runner..not really compairable. Gas Ronda. Set Et. Record. 1140-129.....1967 390 fairlane GT. VS. 1967. 442. OLDS. NOW THAT WORKS

[@davidkendall6801]

Thunderbolt

[@jkmsaturn]

Thunderbolt a POS? You're kidding, right? Man, have some appreciation for Automotive history!

[@andrewwalkerden3081]

They can never help themselves, they got to always have a dig. It's probably what sets us from them the most. Ford guys generally can always appreciate other brands classics.

[@steveboros1961]

Take your POS and shove it up your ass!

[@scottbrown1820]

Any respect I had for that punk was lost when he referred to the t bolt as a POS. Better do some research BOY!

[@Loulovesspeed]

@Inspecting Gadgets - The problem is he must understand history before he can appreciate it - which he doesn't!

[@Saffsa]

He’s Transgender the type that put chevys into Fords 👍👍

[@Fubarfighter]

Ohio George Montgomery, Hayden Profitt, Al Joniec, Dyno Don Nicholson, Crazy Nate Cohen, Fast Eddie Schartmann were all superstars in Fords. It was a lot easier for regular people to win with Mopars, though. The factory stuff was pretty stout and bulletproof.

[@teamsterbutch]

Don't forget Hubert Platt and Gas Rhonda.

[@Loulovesspeed]

Or Billy Lawton for Tasca Ford - they made the Thunderbolt and the 428 Cobra Jet Mustang possible!

[@johnjohnsn7633]

@@teamsterbutch Ronnie Sox ... before he and Buddy went "over to the dark [Pentastar] side".

[@bartjacobs3394]

FAIRLANE 💯

[@jimlesperance9971]

i remember jack sunds thunderbolt racing at keystone dragways in 1964 and 1965.seemed to win every week.i got hooked on racing after watching him. jim

[@stephenmera8126]

pretty certain the 442 would win this battle, what are these guys smoking,the t bolt is a race car,the 442 is a good STREET car, please

[@donphillips5471]

Thunderbolt for me impressive car

[@jeremythompson9895]

Especially in that lightweight body. Just an unbeatable combo on the strip

[@theviking363]

My brothers had all 3 The Olds,my favorite, Plymouth, and a 67Impala. My mother's was a Pontiac Bonneville Convertible. No ine drove Mom's car.

[@stewballsrbig]

FoMoCo, olds didn’t have a chance & that’s a fact !

[@chrisscovitch7237]

And will go down in Ford history

[@USCG.Brennan]

You're comparing a VERY UNIQUE 427 Ford car with a basically stock Cutlass 442 Olds with a small block 330?? Are you joking us?? How about putting the '64 389 GTO against the Ford, or maybe the '65 Olds 442 that had the 400ci?? COME ON GUYS....WHO WRITES YOUR SCRIPTS???

[@Horsepower4anHour]

Curt Brennan, thanks for the idea about the ‘64 GTO. I will make that suggestion to producer on Monday. I don’t believe we have ever featured that car? Definitely an icon in classics world. Thanks again for your post!

[@USCG.Brennan]

@@Horsepower4anHour Now you're talking!! "Pontiac chief engineer John DeLorean and fellow engineers Bill Collins and Russ Gee had found that the 389 V-8 easily fit in the newly styled mid-size Pontiac Tempest and turned it into a sizzling high-performance car. Just for fun at first, they transformed the Tempest into the car that became the "Mighty GTO" and what many people call the FIRST American "Muscle Car". www.danjedlicka.com/classic_cars/pontiac_gto.html . And do us all a favor...keep your cosmetically "ugly" comments to yourselves, boys! Your opinions on that subject mean ZERO. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder!

[@jerrydeal4493]

The thunderbolt were a fast car but if dodge would have made the rear hook up with the 426 hemisphere 435 horse power two four barrel carbs the ford would have to go hard I had one in a heavy roadrunner and baricuda we could never get no tires to hold it down a 100 mph it would get straight but you done lost a drag race same with the corvette 435 had one of those wheel hoped I am working on a 67 ford Fairlawn now slow getting old thanks

[@chadkent1241]

Not true, at all

[@johnjohnsn7633]

Remember; Super Stock was limited to 7" wide tires back then. NHRA Tech even went so far as to roll the vehicle through a water puddle, then measure the width of the track the tire made on a blank sheet of paper. And "Yes"; some Tech crews *were* that "anal" back then. 😏🙄😬😐 I remember some Stock Class teams having their cars running in the pits on their floor jacks, using a cheese grater to "slim down" their used "cheater slicks" until they would pass the "7 Inch Rule" limit.

[@Loulovesspeed]

@jerry deal - 426 hemisphere??? Is that below or above the Equator? Can you even explain what makes a hemi a hemi? Didn't think so! Lol

[@michaelgeorge8671]

please forget what Ford rated the 427 V8 AT. WITH A FINE TUNE THIS ENGINE PUT OUT 500 hORSEPOWER of the showroom floor.

[@caratcranker5874]

I have heard more than twice, 617 HP.

[@Loulovesspeed]

@@caratcranker5874 The 427 Cammer Hemi was 615 hp with a single quad and 657 with dual quads.

[@brocluno01]

442 for daily driver, comfort and reliability - for sure :D

[@williamcondra3811]

Come on guys, the Thunderbolt was never meant to be sold to the public. I was around then and the only place you ever saw one was at the drag strip. They had so much torque even professional drivers had trouble keeping them in a straight line. You had to be pretty well heeled to able to afford one. Only 100 were built and I guess maybe somewhere in the US some poor little rich kids daddy bought him one but most went directly to race teams. Bad ass cars. One of my best friends had a 64 442 and it would have had its doors blown off by the Thunderbolt. He couldn’t even hang with the chevelles running small blocks, much les the 396.

[@davidmancuso2334]

I would go with the Thunderbolt. Hands down for performance. The 442 is a nice street friendly driver with decent performance. I would like them both with the Thunderbolt being my top choice.

[@michaelsmith6156]

I have a Thunderbolt, baby blue. It beats everything at our local drag strip. (Firebird).

[@lewisshepard9239]

Don't get the comparison. Would not sub.

[@Loulovesspeed]

@Lewis Shepard - That's all right Lewis, the authors don't get it either! Lol

[@yellowjacketf4i]

fe engines rule ,i will take the t-bolt.throw the olds away,i dont care.

[@jeffreykurth2703]

It all depends on what a person wants. To race or for the street.

[@bluesharp59]

Nice cars and great video, Thumbs Up Liked.

[@RobertJackson-lm8wi]

We're having a two-door post 64 Ford Fairlane in the front yard actually first car you know what I'm going with

[@jerrygarner8115]

I'll take the Thunderbolt any day of the year! Say what you want,but,you better cross all your tees,& dot all your "i "s when it comes to beat a properly tuned Thunderbolt!

[@josephfreeman3816]

The olds 442 was not particularly fast until very late in the game. 1970 to be exact when it got the 455. Its engines were small initially 330 c i. The Olds 443 subsequently got a r0p c I engine . Thr bottom ends were weak and the oiling system was shifty. The 67 was however a beautiful car. And it gained and stopped better than most of its competition. It was not however even close to a match for a Ford with an R code 427 or even w code 427. Period.

[@johnjohnsn7633]

Originally, "4-4-2" stood for "4 Barrel" carburetor, "4 Speed" transmission. "Dual Exhaust".

[@randycoursey7230]

Some Thunderbolts came equipped with the 427 SOHC engine, the beast of this era. A Cammer Hemi hunting Hemi's. The engine Bill France rejected for NASCAR. The engine found much duty in the drag racing race tracks across America.

[@Loulovesspeed]

@Randy Coursey - They made 100 Thunderbolts, about 50/50 4 spd. and automatics. You're right that the mighty SOHC Cammer engine saw a lot of drag racing action, but none were put in the Thunderbolts. They were used in AA/Fuelers, Funny cars and Gassers.

[@johnjohnsn7633]

@@Loulovesspeed As I noted earlier, the "split" was 51-to-49 Auto-to-4 speed ... and all were built by Ford contractor Dearborn Steel Tubing ... and *none* were 'Cammers'.

[@Loulovesspeed]

@@johnjohnsn7633 - I don't see your earlier comment, but this one repeats what I had already stated that the split was about 50/50 auto to 4 spd and none of them were cammers. Not sure what your point is?

[@randycoursey7230]

@@Loulovesspeed Well I would disagree because I've seen several with the 427 SOHC in them. They were also dropped in Mustangs as well when it comes to A/FX drag racing, which is now Pro Stock.

[@Loulovesspeed]

@@randycoursey7230 - What you saw were individuals either trying to emulate a Thunderbolt with an engine that was never used in one, or guys who just happened to own a Fairlane and chose to drop one in. The original factory produced Thunderbolts used one engine - the FE 427 wedge head. It raced in Super Stock and won the 1964 NHRA Nationals for Ford. Yes, the Cammer Hemi 427 was put into top fuelers, Gassers, and Funny Cars, but it was not used in a Thunderbolt unless someone transplanted it some time later. I believe the Super Stock Class required the use of a production engine used in one or more of their models, which the Cammer was not!

[@ih8texas247]

Love the Thunderbolt. Just an awesome car.

[@michaelculbertson5722]

The mercury did not exsist in 1930.

[@Johnnycdrums]

Thunderebolt may have been a big seller if you could get it optioned out with luxury everything.

[@michaelduttry182]

Should have matched the Thunderbolt against a SS Chevy Impala with the 409 with two 4 barrels.

[@Loulovesspeed]

@Michael Duttry - I trust you mean match them from an appearance perspective only, because no lead sled Impala, with a 409 could ever hope of giving competition to the Thunderbolt. A 409? Really? Hell, the flippin 442 would eat that Chebby for lunch! You ever been to a NHRA sanctioned drag race? Didn't think so with a comment like that.

[@allada9590]

Thunderbolt all the way

[@johnwilkerson2195]

I'm a Ford guy and those Thunderbolts were nothing to play with on the strip

[@Johnnycdrums]

With nowadays tires you can do that with 3.73 : 1 rear gear.

[@TheDocdan1966]

Ford Thunderbolt ruled all drag strips and the mid-60s no question about it