The 64 442 did in fact stand for 4 speed, 4 barrel and dual exhaust. You couldn't get it with an automatic. The only motor was a 330. In 65 the nomenclature changed to 400, 4 barrel and dual exhaust due to the new 400 engine. In 65 on an automatic was available.
@Jomatsch2 жыл бұрын
I thought the 2 was for positraction. (2-wheel drive to rear tires.)
@middleclassretiree Жыл бұрын
Thank you for pointing that out and id like to say that 330 put the power out
@dandahermitseals55824 жыл бұрын
You're right. 400 cubes 4 barrel n dual exhaust. Mine was Target Red and I I raced it successfully for 3 years. $31,50. I was running mid to high 12 second quarter mile passes. GTO never even got close to me. The Dodge RT was the ones to take serious. 65 Goat was the nicest year they ever built. Beautiful car.
@DavidMiddleton-w6x2 ай бұрын
I'll be the first to call BS on your comment. 1965 442 ran 15.5 second quarter mile at 89 mph, and 0-60 in 7.8 seconds. How's that crow taste?
@4321royce14 жыл бұрын
I special ordered the first 1965 442 to come to El Paso, delivered in late 1964. I raced a 1964 GTO 4 speed. I had the 2 speed auto. I took him off the line but he eventually pulled me when he hit about 3rd gear. Great fun. I also special ordered a 1968 442 and a 1970 with the Ram Air hood, The 70 was awesome.
@patrickberkery88542 жыл бұрын
Awesome! My first car was a black 65 442 with black American Torque Thrust mag wheels. My uncle worked for GM. He ordered his in mid-65 and got the 66 model's cam in the 400, which gave it 25 more HP. It was so beautiful. Also had a 71 W30 with the M22 that was pumped 30-over. It was an asphalt-eating monster. Still wish I had the 65, though.
@chrisnizer18854 жыл бұрын
One thing for sure, no matter which one you choose you couldn't go wrong. They're both EPIC muscle cars that jump started the muscle car performance era. Take care my friend, Semper Fi!👍
@frednoble18332 жыл бұрын
That is a kool comment. My nick name is to kool. Bith are phein branominal. Fred braintree. He is excactlly correcy an origiall was a 442. 4 speed dual exhaust. End of story. The be chasung gtos and mopars. My un m e had a 68 or 69. Iwas 8 years old. A cutlass somthing 442. Blue with a black top. Oh my fucking god this guys talking 350 or. 360. Hp. Real horse. Oh y fuckin GOD. Po. Tiac. WOW. Dont firget thebiick. Pontiacs. Gtos. Therere ithed pontiacs. Bonneville. A n d others. One you m ay NEVER HAVE HEARD IF MIRADA. FULL PIWER SKIRTS. BIGGER AND BADDER. THAN A PONTIAC 4 4 + 2. 8 LUG. THE MIRADA WAS VERY FUCKIN LIMITED EDITION. ONMY AVAILABME FIR I OR 2 YEARS. SICK. BIGGEST ENGINE. SKIRTS. AND TRI P O WER. THAT TRI POWER. IS ONE OF TBEE KOOLEST. OOTIINS EVER FUCKIN. PRODUCED. THEN FOLLOWED BY MOPAR. DODGE CHRYS L ER. HEMI. PONTIAC. WAS 1ST. P PERIOD AND ON C O WELL INDUCTION. FIRCING THE AIR. COMING OVER THE HOOD. AND STUFFING IT STRAIG B T TO THE ENGINE. IMLROVING COOLING AND OREFORMA B.BCE. LER IA COICHA OR THE OTBER KOOL.FUCKIN BASTARD. JHON DELORIAN. ONE OF TBE BEST ENGINEERS IN THE I DUSTRY TO TGIS DAY. FRED NOBLE BRAINTREE BOSTON. WHERE WIULD WE BE WUTH OHT HIM EVENTUALLY WENT TO FORD. WOW. HIM AND CAROL. MUST HAVE B EEN LAUGBING THERE ASSES OFF DESIGHINING THE FUCKIN SHELBY. ENOUGH SEID. SEID FRED. NOBKE FENCE. BRAINTREE BISTIN4 MASSACHUSSETS. NIGHTFENCER GATEKEEPER
@d35martin15 жыл бұрын
It was originally called ; 4 barrel 4 speed dual exhaust for 442. As in 64 it had a 330 engine.
@789pokey5 жыл бұрын
d35martin1, correct.
@jeremythompson91225 жыл бұрын
Also in 64 the only transmission available in a 442 was a 4 speed manual and they all had the 310 horse 330 engine. 4 barrel-4 speed-dual exhaust was the original meaning of 4-4-2
@ronniegunter42564 жыл бұрын
1964: 4spd, 4bbl, dual exhaust. 1965: 400cid, 4 bbl, dual exhaust. 1966: 400cid, 4spd, dual exhaust. After that it was simply a model designation. I was there, live and in person. My bil had a ‘65 and my wife had a ‘65 Cutlass hdtp with a 330cid engine like the ‘64 442 but with 5 hp more. 310 vs 315.
@buzzwaldron61954 жыл бұрын
These guys always get the '442' backwards... at least he did say "four forty-two"...
@thexoftexas42674 жыл бұрын
@Robert LaPointe I agree with the above comments about the model designation for 4 barrel, 4 speed, dual exhaust. The original motor was a 330 then a 400 in 1965 and automatics were available. I had a special ordered 442 in 1967. That year there were two engine options, the regular 400 and the 400 with air induction. I wanted A/C and as such I had to order the regular car. I later modified it with the OEM air induction kit, consisting of the air cleaner box, tubes, and battery cable for mounting it in the trunk. The cams were different and I had to get the air induction cam separately from the parts dept. I know the three two barrel option was available in 1966, but I don't think it was available in 67, at least not in May or June when I ordered the car. It had a Rochester quadrajet. The three 2's could have been available earlier and discontinued or I just missed it, which is hard to believe as I was only interested in performance at that time.
@bruceallen60162 жыл бұрын
Can't go wrong with either. I've had both 442's and GTO's. Both were extremely fun to drive. Favorite? A 67 442 with non numbers matching 455 with W series heads, cam,, exhaust and 4 speed. I also had a 1970 442 W30 with 4 speed. Wish I still had them. ☹
@Johnny53kgb-nsa Жыл бұрын
My brother had two 1965 GTO's, the first he bought new in '65, gold color, hardtop, 389, 4-speed. It was sweet. Then he returned from Vietnam, got married, had kid's, goodbye GTO. Then many year's later, he bought another '65, red convertible, 389, 4- speed. Completely went thru it, body off restoration. Would drive it on nice day's. Keep it a couple of year's, then sold it to a collector from Denmark I believe. Now he wished he had another one.
@charlessmith77802 жыл бұрын
The definite clash of the titans I've been into the Oldsmobile 442 and the goats the purest of the oldest GM breeds I've had camaros , Cheverly, even a 57 Chevy convertible but I love them old square bodies, Oldsmobile and Pontiac what great machines of early GM muscles
@martentrudeau69485 жыл бұрын
You don't see the 442 coming, it's definately more austere and plain than the GTO, but it is a sleeper and winner.
@robd73655 жыл бұрын
I believe it was: 1964: 4 speed, 4bbl, 2 exh (had 330ci) 1965: 400(ci), 4 bbl, 2exh
@Wireman1345 жыл бұрын
Spot on
@daltonyoung17493 жыл бұрын
Was going to post that lol
@chrisnizer18855 жыл бұрын
4 speed, 4 barrel, dual exhaust was the original meaning behind 4-4-2. They eventually included automatic transmission options and 455 engine options to keep the car competitive with similar models.
@djbangonyc4 жыл бұрын
442 for me
@sergeantmasson36693 жыл бұрын
Chris Nizer, 442 originally meant 400 engine, 4 bbl carb, and dual exhaust, although the 400 CID V8 engine wasn't available until 1965 when the 442 became its own model. 1964, it was an option for the F85 car.
@BuzzLOLOL2 жыл бұрын
@@sergeantmasson3669 - You got it backwards order... as does the video...
@sergeantmasson36692 жыл бұрын
@@BuzzLOLOL NOT my concern that you're unable to comprehend truth/facts.
@aldente26762 жыл бұрын
When the 4-4-2 appeared in '64, they were euipped with the 330. So, there goes the 400 cube myth. If both cars didn't tear up those 2-speed Jetaways, they must have been pretty good transmissions. The THD-400 was, of course, available for 1966
@patsena95762 жыл бұрын
That's correct...in 64 the 442 stood for 4 barrel, 4 speed..dual exhaust... he is a bit off
@dustinbrown7246 Жыл бұрын
I hear the jetaway was a horrid transmission.
@brocluno013 жыл бұрын
These were current new cars when I was starting college, and working in a small race shop in Santa Cruz, CA. I'll take the Olds 4-4-2 any day, all day. The TQ numbers means it rules on the street. Stop light to stop light, that was a bad motor scooter. And it was a more comfortable car for dates. My GF at the time drove a full size Olds and that was a sweet ride, and no slouch on the street. The Goat had the flash and it was a desirable car, but you gotta think twice on calling out a 4-4-2 ... Since we were bad boy racers and running a Super Modified on the local dirt tracks, we were more likely to get excited by a '61 409 than any GTO. The Goat was for the guys with styled hair, sharp clothes ... The 4-4-2 was prolly a young family guy with one kid and a job where he got a bit greasy (like maybe a AG service rep or something), but knew how to run, and was a fun guy. A lot of those 4-4-2's were field rep cars that got out on the weekend, sort of the hot businessman's coupe : -) A few years into their life, some of the local 4-4-2's had trailer hitches, and pulled the family jet boat (also Olds powered) to the lake on the weekend ...
@matthewnadeau64194 жыл бұрын
I bought a 1965 olds 442 in 1976 for $300. With a dealer installed six pack which was an option and 65 and I still have it in my garage.
@dandahermitseals55824 жыл бұрын
Wow.
@dandahermitseals55824 жыл бұрын
I want it. Mine got stolen and totaled in a high speed wreck. Dam.
@kurtcorvette5 жыл бұрын
I owned a 66 GTO 389, 4 bbl, 4 spd, 3.55 gears, ran pure stock & turned 14.2 all day long.
@dandahermitseals55824 жыл бұрын
That's why they never bothered my high 12s bracket 65 red 442.
@DaveStubbs-bq6kg Жыл бұрын
Hands down for me........the GTO. Especially '65 -'67. Quick story - haha , my first car was a '65 Pontiac Lemans ( 326 ci , 2-barrel , 2-speed ) . I was a sophomore in high school - 1978. I had it repainted, added headers, chrome accessories in engine department, and removed all the " Lemans / 326 badges " . Back then, everyone assumed it was a GTO. LOL............ I just nodded yes and cruised on down the road. So many great memories. I've seen several '65 Lemans' converted to "tribute GTO's ".
@JackF994 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great episode. Wasn't the 442 one of the few decent handling cars at time with fat front & rear sway bars back when that was rare? I'd happily give up a few tenths for a car that could take the corners at speed without plowing the front end and scraping the door handles. I agree it's hard to beat the '67 Mustang fastback for styling in that era.
@silvernail62 жыл бұрын
During a six muscle car comparo, by Car & Driver Magazine, a formula one driver said that the 1966 Olds 442 "handled better in the rain then the rest of the field when dry"(Ford Fairlane, Mercury Comet, Pontiac GTO, Chevy SS 396 and a buick GS)......Masten Gregory had won the 24 Hours of Lemans......I'd think he knew what he was talking about....
@frednoble18332 жыл бұрын
That is very incorrect. They did nit at that time. Srll vehicles. With DIFFERENT size rims and tires. Due to a saftey. Issue. You are out if your mind. PERIOD. Ne v er hapoened. FRED Braintree
@JackF992 жыл бұрын
@@frednoble1833 No idea what you just tried to say.
@MarkSmith-nb9np Жыл бұрын
I can only relay my 1st hand experience as a 9 year old in 1965. In Shreveport, Louisiana at the gator drag strip in keithville. My dad was a salesman at Holmes Pontiac and dragged a 65 GTO in b class pure stock. Won 13 trophies 1st in class. Actually outran a couple a stick fords in match races. His big nemesis was a 442 olds that beat dad 3/4 of the time. The 442 was sponsored by olds. Sent a fresh motor every month to the local dealership we found out several years later. Conclusion the GTO WAS TRI-POWER. 4:33 gear with headers, 8" slicks and 4 speed. Consistently ran low 13's. 13.10 to 13.30's. Best time was a 12.90. Promise it pushed more than 360 horses to make these runs. However the 442 as mentioned beat him most of the time. Not sure gear & carb set up on the 442. Guy that drove the 442 named Ronnie Ellis. My dad was George Smith. So many finals in class those two. Always close. Can't find any history in print on this classic matchup.
@jeremythompson91225 жыл бұрын
Ill take the 65 Tri Power GTO. The 65 389 Tri Power GTO is my favorite GTO ever made besides a 69 GTO 400 Ram Air IV. My favorite 442 is a 70 W30. But I really like the 68-69 442 body style too
@dandahermitseals55824 жыл бұрын
The Hurst Olds 442 was bad.
@philliphanvey60513 жыл бұрын
My dad put a 70 W30 and turbo 400 and 12 bolt rear in a 65 442...great bracket car at OCIR...
@irishpat646 жыл бұрын
GOAT------ Greatest---Of---All--Time :)
@richardsalvesen40865 жыл бұрын
Have a real 64 GTO had it in storage for 30 years getting it back on the road it has a 421 in it
@pleasegrowabrain4 жыл бұрын
Get The Other car.
@davidmottweiler75972 жыл бұрын
G.T.O. = Go To Olds.
@irishpat642 жыл бұрын
@@davidmottweiler7597 :)...wish we could...my first "New" car was a Cutlass
@kenzaccaria7763 Жыл бұрын
Had a 65 442 then a 69 GTO, both beautiful cars, wish I had kept them
@chromasux24 жыл бұрын
While I love both of these cars, when I was a kid living in VA, my folks traded an old upright piano for a '64 GTO with the 6 in it. My dad found a 428 in a Bonneville and swapped engines and mated it with a Hurst shifter. Though it became his daily driver when we moved to Michigan and it started rusting out, I still thrilled at the sounds and feel from that car when he'd pop the clutch and have me hanging on for dear life going through gears. Sold it covered in bondo and with half the interior torn out to redo several years later for around $5k
@anthonycarter53813 жыл бұрын
never was a 6 cyl goat
@604bige52 жыл бұрын
@@anthonycarter5381 I think he’s referring to Tri Power, when he says 6
@billywood3893 жыл бұрын
great car I had one very fast for its time and I loved the interior.
@Wehawk03115 жыл бұрын
That four door on the strip @ 7:31 wasn't a GTO unless Pontiac did something very strange.
@Horsepower4anHour5 жыл бұрын
Wehawk InFlight yes you’re absolutely correct! Not sure how that image made it into the final? I’m going upstairs today to talk with the folks in the editing room. LOL, that’s pretty funny!! A 4 door GTO? Maybe they put it in as a gag?...... I hope😂😂😂😂😂
@Johnnycdrums5 жыл бұрын
He'd be legit if it was a 4-4-2. Oldsmobile archives indicate that approximately ten four door sedans were built with the BO9 option in 64'.
@sergeantmasson36693 жыл бұрын
GTO became its own model in 1965. 1964, the GTO package was an option for the Pontiac Lemans.
@rockemsockemrusbot6842 жыл бұрын
They both have the same seats almost exactly but you called the ones in the Oldsmobile blend and the ones in the Pontiac sporty. That said the Goat is best. Had this contest been between 1968 cars I’m not sure which one I would pick
@csack79044 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed the video. Perhaps show the interior of a 65 GOAT instead of the 66/67 that you all did show at 8:00
@therealtech8333 жыл бұрын
The original 442 had a 330 cubic inch high compression/high output motor. It was upgraded to 400 cubic inch I believe in 66'
@dustinbrown7246 Жыл бұрын
65
@csj96192 жыл бұрын
I really dig the mid-60's GM intermediate cars. In other words, I'll take one of each!
@scottbourret11906 жыл бұрын
Would like to have seen the buick skylark included in this overview
@merlemorrison4826 жыл бұрын
the very first ones with the 330 were "four barrel carb, four speed trans and dual exhaust"
@williamgarrett94793 жыл бұрын
i agree with you ..for the first year of its existence the 442 did not stand for 400 cubic inches,, so the commentator is wrong
@jamesschonegge41553 жыл бұрын
History seldom seen.. From My Dad's Hotrods. In the summer of '62.. my dad's friend bought a Catalina SD421. Which his wife promptly wrecked. Peat and James R. Schonegge.. bought the motor. Then in early spring of 1964.. Pete went and bought a brand new 1964 Lemans couple. 326.. 3 speeds. Then they spent a couple of months shoehorning that 421 SD INTO the LeMans.. it didn't actually fit.... at first. But that gave them a SD 421 (428) Lemans with Cheatered slicks and uncapped Headers. I will never forget being 7 year old or so.. and my Dad taking me on a ride to Friches drive in. Wow! We popped the front wheels. Most awesome thrill a kid could have was a ride in that monster! YEEE-HAAAA!
@caveredecorator53104 жыл бұрын
what was that 4 door g t o all about?
@memoalonso33174 жыл бұрын
65 GTO of course although the 442 Olds is awsome.
@420Chooey5 жыл бұрын
I had a 67 GTO still my favorite car ever had. I also had a 69 Camaro Z28 and I would much rather have the GTO back! The GTO was to muscle cars with the Beatles were to music. It changed the game.
@lynnhecht49484 жыл бұрын
Me too! I totally agree.
@789pokey6 жыл бұрын
Wrong, the '64 had a 330 cid. So original it was 4bbl, 4speed, dual exhaust.
@789pokey6 жыл бұрын
For me, the GTO. Especially if it came from a dealer in Royal Oak, MI.
@789pokey6 жыл бұрын
@Robert LaPointe, when they came out in '64 they were named "442". They never changed the name regardless of what other carbs or transmissions were available later on. And no, it never referred to anything else.
@santiagorubio8335 жыл бұрын
My mother had a 1965 Cutlas Coupe and had a V8 engine of 330 cubic inches and 300 H.P. with 4-barrel Rochester carburetor. The automatic transmission was an ST 300, two-speed.
@1badhaircut5 жыл бұрын
Oldsmobile changed the definition many times so there is no correct answer - they 330, 400, 455, and 403 engines - 4 bbl and 6 bbl - transmission of 2, 3, and 4 speeds - so it really was just a name.
@AZPegger5 жыл бұрын
The dealer in Royal Oak was Royal Pontiac, a little land-locked place with not much room for car inventory but a great service and parts department I understand.
@plnewton13 жыл бұрын
‘65 GTO TRI-POWER all the way. I had a four speed upgraded with a transistorized ignition, electronic fuel pump, manual linkage on the carbs that could not be touched. Paid my way THRU college racing that car 😁
@patrickberkery88543 жыл бұрын
Totally disagree about the interior of the 442. It was nice.
@tiki_trash2 жыл бұрын
The Starfire was Olds' nicest model. It even had leather seats.
@pleasegrowabrain4 жыл бұрын
The 442 was 2 seconds quicker to 60 and in the quarter mile. If one wanted the higher performance car, there was no comparison between the sluggish GTO and the truly badass 442. If one wanted a nice interior and a lot of meaningless appearance stuff, there were lots of choices. For straight line performance, it wasn’t even close. The 442 blew the doors off the GTO.
@pm949523 жыл бұрын
Pontiac marketing from 1960 through 1972 featured beautiful illustrations by ‘AF/VK’: Art Fitzpatrick and Van Kaufman. ‘Fitz’ painted the cars and Kaufman painted the stunning environments. These were the pinnacle of automotive advertising art, and everyone tried to match them. Pontiac sales increased continually from the time these illustrations started appearing in American magazines.
@fredward30565 жыл бұрын
For me the 442 is king
@Reggie475812 жыл бұрын
I don't know where you get your performance numbers for the GTO but I bought a Tiger Gold 65 GTO from ROYAL PONTIAC in Royal Oak Michigan it came with a factory installed aluminum front end. I new it had an aluminum front end because the weight of the vehicle was 3030 all other GTOs weighed 3500 lbs. It also had 360 HP 389 cu. close ratio Hurst four speed trans, posi-traction with a 3.90 rear end. I never took it to the drag strip so I never had any numbers on it.It would burn rubber from zero to 100. I had 55 street drag races with it and the only car that beat me was a Corvette and I raced 442s, Roadrunners, Mustangs, Chevelle---yes I'm sure the 500lbs helped
@linwoodcole74485 жыл бұрын
My two main favorite cars of all time and two street masters
@MostlyBuicks3 жыл бұрын
Most of the 1964 442s were two doors, only a handful were 4 doors. Not an issue. In fact in 1964 you could order the $285 442 option, which included better suspension, mandatory 4 speed and a hotter version of the 330 cid engine on ANY F85 or Cutlass except station wagon. In 1965 they added a 400 cid engine to the package and it also had an automatic transmission option, the Buick Super Turbine 300 (Olds still used the Jetaway nomenclature). But it was now only available on 2 door sedans, 2 door hardtops and convertibles.
@johnpicano75716 жыл бұрын
Both were cool cars back in the day the GTO would beat out the Olds and the GTO looks better I like the GTO
@BuzzLOLOL6 жыл бұрын
Both looked good... they were even once the Olds also got tripower... '65 goat got the high rise tripower intake shown... '64 and earlier was flat...
@shaints36 жыл бұрын
i own two 1965 olds 442 and i eat gtos all day long i run a 10.41 quarter .. so stick your gto up your nose ...
@BuzzLOLOL6 жыл бұрын
@Robert LaPointe - The 4 bbl. cars were no where's near as quick... the tripower engines had higher compression ratios, better heads, bigger cams, and were slightly under rated on HP... and the GM tripowers had no tuning problems like the Chrysler tripowers did...
@BuzzLOLOL6 жыл бұрын
@Robert LaPointe - Back in the day I never touched the tripower on my '65 GTO in 150,000 miles... it was simple and reliable as a stone... all mechanical linkage... no leaky vacuum setups like had been used in 1950's... now back then all cars were slow off the showroom floor, you had to advance the ignition timing from the factory 'granny' spec.s... not everyone knew that, so you had some slug cars around... some unknowledgeable prolly blamed the carb.(s)... After the '65 tripower 389 engine puked, I put the tripower on a '68 4 bbl. GTO engine, but it could never make the tripower HOWL like the hot 389 did... the 4 barrel engines were base cammed and all done by about 4600 - 5000 RPMs... the tripower engines were higher compression ratio, 'S'-cammed, bigger heads, and pulled hard to 6,000+ RPMs IF you shimmed up the stock valve springs... otherwise the hydraulic lifters pumped up by about 5500... (the solid lifter Chevy's could rev 6500 - 7000+) Dual quads and tripower came out in 1950's because there weren't any 4 bbl. carb.s big enough... by 1965, they were more of still just a fad that ended by 1967... except for Hemis... We usually beat Hemis on the street, because if they didn't have less than 100 miles on the sparkplugs, they misfired at higher RPMs... Hemis prolly kept dual quads for the 'look' and because the long low dual quad manifold fit under hoods... and because they limited 'street' HP... a high rise single big quad intake would work better, but make the elephant engine too high...
@789pokey5 жыл бұрын
@Robert LaPointe, GM corporate banned multiple carbs after '66 for all makes except Chevy.
@arnoldberk76864 жыл бұрын
The 442 in 65 had anything BUT a cheap interior. In 1966 the 442 was offered as an option in 3 trim levels being F85 ,F85 Deluxe, and Cutlass Supreme trim levels. In 67 the 442 was offered in the Cutlass Supreme level only.Years later it varied . The parchment GTO interior that you showed was not a 65 it was a 67 . Compare it to a 66 Supreme trim level or a 67 442 and you may see things differently. Both were great cars but to me Olds wasn’t as popular and in any category was a notch above a Pontiac. You also failed to mention the 66 tri power 442 and or ram air offered throughout some of the years.
@007heatingandair6 жыл бұрын
Dale is absolutely right I forgot about that first year 330 maybe that high performance model 330 made 400 pounds foot of torque or the automatic wasn't available in 1964 anyway that first year it couldn't have stood for 400 ci.
@BuzzLOLOL6 жыл бұрын
In '64 it was 4 speed and 4 bbl... until they got the 400 engine in '65... (Video gets it backwards)...
@scottbambam2 жыл бұрын
The 1965 🐐 Goat is my 1st beloved model year as well as the 66 and the 70. I do love all of the model years but for sure my Favorites are the ones that I've been fortunate enough to own myself, The 1970 was the 1st Goat 🐐 that I owned back in 1986. I stumbled across that sweet ride in a nice older womans Garage, (while landscaping her acreage for my buddy's landscaping Company) ( that's a really great story) and I had transformed that GTO into a beautiful street rod. It was Gold when I got my hands on it and then along with the many incredible improvements that I made I changed its color to Orbit Orange (though it wasn't a Judge I loved that color. The 2nd Goat 🐐 I bought in 1997 (another great story) was my 1966 drop top which was stock Barrier Blue White top and parchment white interior which I loved. It had the 389 tri=power 4 speed. That car was the "sister car" to mine, exactly, except for the Engine which was a Monster 455 cu in worked with a big Holley 850 cfm double pumper. My best friend in High school (who's car it was) he and a few others in my town, in High School, began my love affair with the GTO. My other best friend had a fire Engine red hard top sport coupe and this beast was a total drag car with 50 cheater slicks and No hood with a big gold snorkel that read Poncho Power on top of a majorly worked 400 With a tri=power. That bad ass 65 was so impressive it even had a roll bar inside with the black interior. It really had everything a race car should have and it made quite an impression on me at 14 years old and from then on The love affair with 🐐 Goats had begun.... I also owned a few Trans Ams and I ran a Pontiac GMC dealer for years and I was able to drive any car that I wanted as a demo every month, changing cars all the time as they were sold, what a great perk. Ram Airs 6 speeds convertibles and t=top cars I miss those days.
@richardcawalla11485 жыл бұрын
What’s with the car on the drag strip ? Pontiac never built a 4 door GTO . It must be a tarted up LeMans !
@brocluno013 жыл бұрын
All GTO's are tarted up Le Mans. It's where they came from ...
@richardcawalla11483 жыл бұрын
@@brocluno01 Yeah . You have a point , but there was never a four door GTO . Not till 1966 did it become it’s own model .
@brocluno013 жыл бұрын
@@richardcawalla1148 Yeah, and there were some stout 326 Le Mans out running around. The early ones with the swing axle rears would break axles if hit to hard. But the later Le Mans would accept a 389 out the wrecking yard easy enough. Dressed up with 326 decals, you'd never know what hit you until they ran off and hid : D I even met a 66 Le Mans with a Super Duty 421 once. That was a serious street car. Said 326 on the fender, but it ran WAY to good for that ... In a lot of ways, the Le Mans was the real sleeper : -)
@vmaxfan3 жыл бұрын
1964 442 option (2 or 4 door) gave you a 330 c.i. engine and was only available with a 4 speed=4speed/4barrel/dual exhaust. 1965 gave you a 400 c.i. engine and was available with a manual or automatic transmission=400c.i./4 barrel/dual exhaust.
@peterhogan95376 жыл бұрын
why ia there a 4 door gto at 7.44?
@Horsepower4anHour6 жыл бұрын
Peter Hogan nice catch, often times editing will deliberately use a random image that is incorrect for discussion. It’s a marketing strategy that we adopted from Speed TV, there is a whole psychologically that accompanies the idea (it has to do with compelling audiences to engage), that being said, I don’t think that was the case here? Editing is upstairs from our studio, I’m going to head up there today and find out why this image was used? Thanks for bringing my attention to it. One of my favorite instances of compelled engagement was when I described the Z28 as a trim level!!! Technically it is an RPO option but you should have heard one viewer really stretch the limits to make certain his opinion was heard.....LOL. I spent 24 years working for Chevrolet Motor Division prior to hosting this program, you’d be amazed at some of the stuff people say....hilarious!!!!!
@ScarlettFire3413 жыл бұрын
The Olds at 3:55 - White Convertible - Jeez that is Beautiful !
@michaelgreenslade2161 Жыл бұрын
My 1965 Goat was Caprice Gold, Black Vinyl Top with Black Interior . The best car that I ever had.
@bluesharp596 жыл бұрын
Very nice and a thumbs up liked.
@arthurparente22756 жыл бұрын
My friend bought a new 65 442 on his 20th birthday ran hi 13s in 65. still owns it. smoked everybody!
@mjm4216 жыл бұрын
Interior shown on the GTO was not a 65. 66 or 67
@BuzzLOLOL6 жыл бұрын
Yep... wrong dash and seats... these whole videos should have been run past one of us old guys before posting...
@pyotty5 жыл бұрын
You are wrong my friend, that is a 1965 GTO interior, I know because my brother bought one in '65 and may parents bought a LeMans which had the same basic interior.
@jackchamp46595 жыл бұрын
John Cifra as an owner of a 65, having grown up around a 66, I can attest that that picture was in fact wrong. 65 had diagonal seat pattern and the wood grain was only around the gauges like the 64 dash
@wendellworth3535 жыл бұрын
Olds 442 was a much more refined muscle car. More for the gentlemen who had grown out of the childish need for the crude and brash of the GTO.. The 442 was faster, rode better, and was a much better daily driver than the GTO.. I agree, if Oldsmobile had had a better ad team, the sales would have left the GTO in the dust.
@joequillun77905 жыл бұрын
Which would I pick? I'm a bit biased, so it naturally would be the Goat. If Olds put some trips on their 65 442, with a 4 speed it would be fun too. But to be realistic, when it comes down to the nitty gritty, (power wise), Olds had the worst flowing cylinder heads of that time, with Pontiac barely a notch above. So compared to the competition, at the track, they both were to tough to win with. Unless you had a great tuner, and ran in the lower classes, then things would be different. But on the street, they were fun cars to drive. Thanks for the review.
@ericgrueser75322 жыл бұрын
The 442 had tri power! A higher lift cam and forged internals with a m21 4 speed and posi rearend!! Oh and the 442 would handle better had ac with power everything and beat the dog crap out of that over priced tempest
@joequillun77902 жыл бұрын
@@ericgrueser7532 Trips on a 442 only happened in 66. This video is comparing 65s. And it appears your knowledge about the the two engines, and drag strip times, of those two vehicles in 1965 have been totally mislead.
@rizzlerazzleuno47336 жыл бұрын
The Pontiac interior and exterior designers apparently had a lot more freedom to develop the Tempest/GTO , whereas it looks like the Oldsmobile crew were limited in what they could do to design more sporty styling for the Cutlass/F-85, especially the interior. The Olds styling is just kinda boring while the Pontiac was "cooler". But the real difference to determine which you would prefer would be to test drive each one. From my personal history and what is said on Oldsmobile info sites, in 64 "442" did mean 4 barrel, 4-speed, dual exhaust, but with the 65 the "442" meant 400 cu in, 4 barrel, dual exhaust. Thanks for the video.
@robintaylor14903 жыл бұрын
That would of been John DeLorean in charge of that car build.
@dustinbrown7246 Жыл бұрын
The gto was just a boneville. The interior was the exact same. Gto didnt become its own nameplate until 1966. Up to that point it was just a performance package with no unique styling qeues. Funny thing is that a pontiac was a poor mans car and an olds was considered a luxury model. I do agree though. The gto was shinier
@rampant592 жыл бұрын
Your shot of the white interior is NOT a 65. The 65 did not have wood on the consol or the dash. Also in 65 the ignition switch was top left on the dash.
@MostlyBuicks3 жыл бұрын
Every time I come to watch one of your videos you gets at least one thing wrong. Do you guys speak from experience or just from a quick google search for your information?
@josephmeyers35974 жыл бұрын
People where the hell did you get a 4 door gto
@santiagorubio8335 жыл бұрын
Interesting all your information on these two classic cars in the field of muscle cars. But more interesting would have been to make them compete in several 1/4 mile races.
@joemasse45686 жыл бұрын
My brother had a 65 442 convertible, factory 425, automatic, car was very fast, good show !
@BuzzLOLOL6 жыл бұрын
Factory didn't put 425 in... although an easy direct boltin... and automatic was a crap 2 speed... unless got the big car 3 speed automatic for the 425...
@bruceseibert69794 жыл бұрын
I had a 65 442 4-speed Convertible. Yellow with Black interior and ragtop and posi rear end. Fast and good looking. Every bit the equal of the GTO in performance.. Mt preference still.
@Horsepower4anHour4 жыл бұрын
Hi Bruce, thanks for commenting and for watching!
@NOLL724 жыл бұрын
Back then, when you were driving a car, the interior didn't matter. You were watching the road. But how would you know, you were playing in a sandbox. [Wink.] JMO.
@detroit195314 жыл бұрын
I had 2 and every Friday will go to woodward and race And every Saturday I'd spend all day rebuilding parts I broke. But every Saturday night we were racing again.🤗😎
@ronaldbertin94553 жыл бұрын
Bet that 4 dr gto is a real collector item today
@tom7719 Жыл бұрын
The name of the song is Little GTO. I think it was by Jan and Dean but I’m not positive.
@johnmichaels72594 жыл бұрын
They only offered 330c.i. 310h P. In 64. It was available on any F85 or cutlass model .
@MostlyBuicks3 жыл бұрын
But the 442 version of the 330 was a police special. Different cam valve train etc. The 330 engine came in at least 3 states of tune. And yes, you could order the 442 package (B09 police package) on any F85 or Cutlass except station wagon in 1964.
@musclecarfan742 жыл бұрын
GTO is a classic design, and my favorite GTO year.
@kenrussell10932 жыл бұрын
Back in 65 my aunt was an RN, and hitting her mid fifties she wanted something "sporty", I suppose to keep her in the flow with her younger RN colleagues. So she went out and bought the 442, which according to my dad, was very much a performamce car, but being eleven years old at the time, I knew nothing of how it was equipped. But I do remember my aunt was embarrassed to drive it because she peeled out at every traffic signal. She sold it after only a couple of months :-)
@niterockerone6 жыл бұрын
My 65 442 was an automatic with 3:31 gears, I raced and beat a tri- power 4spd GTO.
@JohnSMichaels Жыл бұрын
442. Came out in 1964 , the engine was a 330 cu.in . 310 hp 4brl. 4 spd dual exhaust.. 400 cu. In came out in 1965
@peterhogan95374 жыл бұрын
never seen a 4 door GTO before.
@ex.spaceshuttle.worker3 жыл бұрын
Of course, It's not a factory GTO, but a factory four-door LeMans or Tempest upgraded with GTO items.
@allantaylor3288 Жыл бұрын
Both great cars and would be more that happy to own either but I’m a diehard Pontiac fan so I’d have to pick the GTO
@joebarber40304 жыл бұрын
Omg ! you guys are clueless about 442’s. 64 was 4 barrel, 4 speed and duel exhaust & auto transmission was not available . 65 it was a 400 big block, 4 barrel and duel exhaust and automatic was a option. Only thing the GTO had over the 442. Was the view of the OLD’s tail lights.
@linwoodccole97654 жыл бұрын
My all time favorite two cars the tri power g to ran 0 to 60 in 5.8 seconds 14.4 in a quarter mile.
@Ballenxj4 жыл бұрын
Is that a 4 door GTO from 7:38 to 7:46? Didn't know they existed?I like em both as long as they're GM. Thumb up.
@donaldcameron89094 жыл бұрын
Oldsmobile for this kid
@peterrivney5523 жыл бұрын
In '64 it was the B09 option it was a police car ... You gut the nameplate wrong it always was 4 barrel carburetor. 4 speed and 2 exhaust becouse in '64 the 442 had a 330 c.im motor and it was a 4 door Sadan with the 442 badge on it ...it was a police interceptor...
@honestpainter78295 жыл бұрын
0 to 60 in 5.5 seconds. Gimme the 442 all day .
@robertbairt9284 жыл бұрын
The pre 69 400 Olds was a small block Olds bored from the Olds 370. The later 69 BB400 shared 425/455 Block. The SB400 Olds would rev lively but the later 403 would turn the bearings at +rpm because of the Windowed mains 400&403 were good with 🤑 Mondello Main Girdle.🤐
@roypavao7498 Жыл бұрын
The GTO all the way.. However, I prefer the '67 442, as it has the signal marker lights between the 2 headlights...excellent feature!
@joequillun77903 жыл бұрын
Just a little "FYI". "Little GTO, you're really lookin fine. 3 DEUCES AND A 4 SPD, and a 389." (Ronnie and the Daytonas.) Oh yeah, and when you were comparing interior styling, you guys showed a 66 interior, (red car, white interior, @8.04), and not the 65. Just another "FYI". But it still looked good. :)
@TS19645 жыл бұрын
7:29 ... a 4 door GTO??? NOT
@Horsepower4anHour5 жыл бұрын
Hi Todd, LOL, yes we’ve already addressed that!!
@jeremythompson91225 жыл бұрын
The best performer of the 1965 GM intermediates is the Chevy Malibu SS 396 Z16. But they are ultra rare...only 200 produced
@789pokey5 жыл бұрын
They were the only solid lifter engine of all the GM intermediates. And rated 425hp in the 'Vette.
@jeremythompson91225 жыл бұрын
@@789pokey I saw a bone stock L78 396/375 on an engine dyno once and it made 425 horsepower at 6000 rpm. And yes it was actually rated at 425 horsepower in the Corvette and the full size cars in 65. I'm pretty sure all Pontiac -Olds -Buick V8 engines had hydraulic lifters other than the Pontiac 421 Super Duty. But the Chevy L78 396, L72 427, LS6 454, and a few different versions of the 409 all had solid lifters I believe. So did the LT1 350 in 1970 and I think the 302 did too in the 67-69 Z28 but I could be wrong on that though. I'm not sure but the L79 327 might've had solid lifters too. I think I remember hearing that somewhere
@joserobinson84194 жыл бұрын
I like all 4 Buick Chevy Olds Pontiac it’s all about what you like
@MostlyBuicks3 жыл бұрын
I love all these 1964-1972 A bodied cars. But I have different favorite years between the 4 divisions. Going by LOOKS only, my favorite 442 years are 1966 and 1967. For the GTO I prefer the 1965 1968 and 1969. For the Chevelle I like both the 1967 and the 1970-72. For the GranSport, I like both the 1965 and the 1966 best.
@alphadog1961 Жыл бұрын
I'm glad everybody wants the Olds...I would snap that GTO up so fast.
@dannycasler49594 жыл бұрын
I like them both! Pontiac and Oldsmobile! They are my favorites, Pontiac is first though! To me the 64 GTO convertible is the ultimate , followed by the 70 GTO Judge convertible then the 70/72 442 and Cutlass, Not to say that I don't like any other of the GTO'S, 442'S , Pontiacs, and Oldsmobiles , Just that the above are my favorites! in that order!
@kellynestegard52082 жыл бұрын
They only sold 3000 units in '64 because the package wasn't offered until late in the model year. Ford called the original Mustang '64 1/2. Then Olds Called the 442 a '64 3/4.
@jeantetreault1324 жыл бұрын
I like the GTO very much, but I go for the Oldsmobile all the way!
@dwayneday64393 жыл бұрын
5.5 Oldsmobile 7+ Pontiac quarter mile in the battle of the 1965s
@MostlyBuicks3 жыл бұрын
Finally a logical comparison.
@5zero12-cents94 жыл бұрын
442 all the way, it's even faster.
@jameshileman93264 жыл бұрын
GTO rules !!! Nuff said.
@pleasegrowabrain4 жыл бұрын
GTO was not even close to as quick as the 442. That is a documented fact. 2 seconds slower to 60. GTO stood for Got Taken Out in every drag race with a 442.
@jameshileman93264 жыл бұрын
@@pleasegrowabrain GOAT = greatest of all time
@jeffreypimental76375 жыл бұрын
64 oldsmobile B09 option. 442 was in 65, 400 4 barrel dual exhaust.
@789pokey5 жыл бұрын
Jeffrey, they were called and badged "442" in '64. The B09 was the order code.
@BobbyOfEarth5 жыл бұрын
As a junior in high school 1972, I bought my uncles 1964 Olds 442 4 spd (red w/white buckets and console) with the 330 engine. ..then I sold it to buy a 1968 Firebird 400, ..and to date, I've never seen a 1964 for sale, either thru Barrett Jackson of Mecum. ..yea I know, I'm still kicking myself 46 year later! Just want to add ...the 1965 442 was clearly faster than the 65 GTO..
@BobbyOfEarth3 жыл бұрын
@Charlie B Maybe you missed the first two minutes of the video where he stated that only 3000 Olds 442's were sold in 1964. Plenty of videos on YT ..plus there's always Google images.
@Wireman1345 жыл бұрын
Olds dominated stock car racing way before GTO. Pontiac was chasing Olds