Class 350 Damaged Pantograph departing Crewe

London Midland class 350 suffers pantograph damage on departing Crewe

[@DanknDerpyGamer]

0:16 That explosion of sparks was spectacular!

[@marinedalek]

The sparks appear to come from the front of the cab, which suggests that something (a dropper?) was hanging down from the contact wire just to the right of the frame and shorted against the bodywork of the unit. Assuming it was a dropper, it would then have caught on the pantograph as it passed underneath causing it to bounce as seen. 350s only have one pantograph, and that was well out of the way when the initial short occurred.

[@marchemsley1210]

It turns out the explosion and sparks you see at the front was a relay box that is to the right of the track as we see it, when the short happened it literally blew the box.

[@Storfordcountyrailway]

so it may have damaged the glass and the driver must have been critically injured but glass is sand so i guess pantographs dont work well with sand

[@splittieful]

It was the relay

[@jamieleemcculloch7486]

The pantograph failed

[@Palestina.non.grata86]

Buggered. Nasty pantograph strike that.

[@terrier_productions]

I can instantly tell your a Gordie!

[@jamespilbeam]

Woops, same thing happened at Bedford quite a few years ago involving a class 377/5

[@cody4885]

james pilbeam video on KZbin about that

[@terrier_productions]

Don’t they use the 3 rail system? Because I know that the 377/4s do..

[@jamesrailwayvideos4365]

@@terrier_productions 377/5s are dual mode

[@terrier_productions]

@@jamesrailwayvideos4365 ok thx

[@lamborghinihexagons5502]

@@terrier_productions 377/1/3/4/6 third rail 377/2/5/7 dual voltage

[@alexwiddowson3756]

This Class 350 was operating 1F53, the 17:36 service from Birmingham New Street-Liverpool Lime Street. From 0:16-0:35, its pantograph strikes debris, which causes the train to stop.

[@pvfcfan3836]

No it was the pantograph broke off

[@alexwiddowson3756]

@@pvfcfan3836 Oh.

[@alexwiddowson3756]

@Malachi Muhammad OK.

[@Snapdragon4472]

It must have been a bit scary for the passengers, especially those right near the pantograph. I hope nobody got eye damage from the massive flash? What was the findings of the cause of the failure? Loose dropper?, Detached carbon strip?, Sagging wire?

[@thebrummierailenthusiasts5329]

That looks nasty to see the pantograph exploded on the desiro unit just as it came into the camera shot

[@lutumbakabeya5365]

Maybe the overhead wires was too hot or the pantograph got stuck

[@al66class59]

Probably the graphite broke and got caught

[@hi24x]

The pantograph got too hot and exploded

[@Andrewjg_89]

That looked real nasty. Nice spark as well. And the lights inside the carriage were still on.

[@am5p8]

It might be that the lights are powered by the batteries. I don't know for sure as i am not familiar with British rollingstock. Just a guess.

[@MerseyTransport]

@@am5p8 the 350 was made in Germany then transported to Britain

[@Un-Grand-Central]

trains do have batteries in britain

[@steves5172]

Catenary has its advantages but it is only reliable with continuous maintenance- diesel power still needed at times like this!

[@RBXTrains]

apart from to please the environmental warriors

[@Cpr1234]

if you pause at the right frame at 0:16 the screen goes white

[@olikirrage]

Cpr1234 GG I did it

[@alisonrawlings6679]

The sheer power of electricity

[@TwmUkLive]

well it's basically a lightning strike

[@Mattpsb]

Pantograph strike

[@HenrysAdventures]

How did that happen?

[@pascalinemosolo1353]

The 0:18 sparks are scary

[@WMTPV2]

Does anyone know the number/numbers of that desiro?

[@slendermanRblx]

Even though the pantograph got damaged and assuming the train lost power why are the passenger saloon lights still on normal brightness?

[@weeardguy]

Batteries. But most trains can't run interior lighting and stuff on batteries for long. A few minutes is no problem.

[@masonsmainlineroblox]

they have batteries

[@shaunonlyplaysyt9879]

They have batteries for essential stuff

[@TheRealDandyes1997]

oh dear

[@keithrussell9834]

I was riding that 323 in the drivers cab when this happened the driver asked me what was that i responded by the class 350 can not control it's pantograph and lost it one less 350 plowing up the WCML for a few days.

[@bennickss]

If the pantograph struck, and presumably broke, how come the lights stayed on?

[@EdwardMason9000]

Most electric trains have a battery on board to power essential systems in case of emergency, and to for lowering and raising the pantograph when being stored, although if it's just being stabled overnight the pantograph normally just stays raised because it's easier.

[@coxallk32]

How long was the train stuck for? Bit like watching Line Of Duty at the end of one of the series.

[@Trek001]

Thats nasty

[@antonyhobbs1144]

It's possible that the driver powered through a SI ( a Section Isolator )

[@Mrmegaminergames]

From personal experience that will usually just trip the motors

[@antonyhobbs1144]

@@Mrmegaminergames I'm just asking have you driven as train or a tram . I drove a tram for over 10 years

[@Mrmegaminergames]

@@antonyhobbs1144 I drive trains As long as you don't stop with your panto under an SI these days not much tends to go wrong

[@antonyhobbs1144]

@@Mrmegaminergames You will agree with me that ice on the overhead gives a great light show.

[@Mrmegaminergames]

@@antonyhobbs1144 I'll have to take your word for it, we don't get ice or snow here

[@JintySteam1]

Railcam's first incident capture?

[@Cactuspowerhousey]

Oh my blummin’ god!

[@felixthecleaner8843]

the unaware passengers were probably stranded on that train for many hours.

[@jasongoulden2938]

Unaware with an explosion like that lol as soon as the train ground to a halt the passengers without earphones glued to their ears would of known something was up can only assume another unit would of drew up at the rear and pulled it back into the station if they could lower the pantograph clear of the centenary either that or staff would of had to of led the passengers back to the platform on foot.

[@Jakeso]

Is it because its night or was the pantograph litteraly attacking the overhead wire?

[@epender]

It looks like it was, I'm not sure if the pantograph has some automatic height adjustment which went crazy when the fault happened, maybe the wires snapped on top of it.

[@extrude22]

@@epender The height of the wire varies a lot so the pantograph is mechanically pushed against the wire and with a spring like mechanism

[@robdlaidler]

That will teach you for not paying the electric bill

[@Hsh637]

@@TheEnglishTrainSpotter2021 sarcasm

[@jacobhardy121]

@@TheEnglishTrainSpotter2021 it was a joke

[@b00108982]

What the heck happened to that 350

[@hi24x]

The pantograph exploded

[@southwest1585]

What’s the difference between a class 450 and a class 350?

[@cameronmitchell6157]

450 Has the shoe for the 3rd rail to get power. 350 has pantograph for overhead lines to get power.

[@southwest1585]

Cameron Mitchell oh thank you

[@cameronmitchell6157]

@@southwest1585 No problems

[@southwest1585]

Cameron Mitchell literally the same train’s classed differently and have different power gaining strategies

[@terrier_productions]

Southwest 444 yep

[@ireland_european_railways_zp]

Uh oh

[@LugiaBilly]

At least Thunderbird wasn’t that far

[@paulheaton8859]

Which 350 pantograph damage

[@terrier_productions]

Are you blind

[@EM-yk1dw]

What caused the flashover and pantograph damage?

[@bennickss]

Probably just a fault with the junction and overhead lines, nobody really knows

[@E34Jimmy]

something appears to strike the cab

[@Macrowa]

probably a sagging wire

[@lms_ryan6888]

Oh strange that's odd to see

[@sosig1341]

0:16 what happened

[@terrier_productions]

I’m guessing a section of the overhead wire had too much voltage for the pantograph.. but I don’t really know

[@alisonrawlings6679]

Well considering it covered the whole front of the train with sparks I think it was a bit of debris or something

[@terrier_productions]

Alison Rawlings I’m not dissing on that conclusion but if you look at the pantograph as the train comes round the bend, it’s a bit flopping and the overhead wire too..

[@sosig1341]

The RailTourer! Now did it happen

[@terrier_productions]

Sosig ?

[@donnar.9846]

How did it happen btw I love LNWR and London Midland.

[@MrRevika]

Is it took 5 minutes to wait

[@tp175]

0:17 yes Rico kaboom

[@physiocrat7143]

How long did that take to repair? I don't suppose anything like that happens very often at Clapham Junction. I wonder if an overhead system would stand up to the volume of traffic passing through CLJ?

[@extrude22]

Of course overhead systems can withstand intensive service patterns. There are stations in Japan and other places much busier than Clapham Junction.

[@A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire]

Clapham Junction was OLE and it did fine with it.

[@Crewecabking]

I wonder what happened

[@hi24x]

Pantograph got too hot causing it to explode

[@Great_WesternTVFan]

That's dangerous

[@MervynPartin]

Good case for 3rd rail!

[@wharris302]

Apart from 3rd rail is banned and incredibly inferior to OH

[@MervynPartin]

@@wharris302 Like most things, it is a case of horses for courses. HV overhead is certainly the most efficient energy-wise for long distance electrification, but in terms of infrastructure, costs, 3rd. rail can beat it easily with minimal disruption, resistance to damage and if boring tunnels, they can be made considerably smaller and thus cheaper. The ban on 3rd rail was arbitrary and nonsensical. A few stretches of in-fill 3rd rail would eliminate a large portion of diesel working. Also, if 3rd rail was used through the confines of Bath (the Hitachi Javelin bi-mode seems to work well) then the full electrification to Brstol TM might have been achieved without upsetting the old farts of Bath.

[@extrude22]

@@MervynPartin I'm not sure if the tunnel boring point still stands since all new rail tunnels must have an evacuation walkway for emergencies. This means that any tunnel with a walkway is already large enough for overhead lines.

[@A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire]

@@MervynPartin Third Rail is not safe. Also in-fill third rail has been show to be more expensive than OLE.

[@MervynPartin]

@@A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire I would like to mention part of an article by Ian Walmsley, formerly of Porterbrook the train leasing company and now a contributor to Modern Railways:- "When adjusted for the size of each network the overhead system accounted for 0.23 Fatalities and Weighted Injuries (FWI) per thousand track kilometres, and third rail 0.47". Nearly all the incidents were due to trespass and of course the likelihood of death with 25kV is practically guaranteed. So, while on paper, 3rd. rail would seem more dangerous, I have no sympathy for trespassers seeking Darwin Awards. As for cost, the overhead electrification of the Great Western has almost killed off hopes for the rest of the country. Plus with 3rd rail, there is no need to replace any bridges, or increase the height of tunnels.

[@user-tu9fp2kw7y]

ah yes! nice catch!

[@milosmamutovic89]

Oh shit Its not safe

[@philb2135]

I was on this train. Took nearly three hours for LondonMidland to do anything. Awful.

[@NatalieWiltshaw]

did they let you off?

[@SouthLondonRailwayPhotography]

Locos do need to be able to couple up to 350s to shunt them, which would mean the only locos cleared to shunt it would be Rail Operations Group 37s.

[@DSHTrains]

With the pantograph tangled in the wires, they can't just "Shunt it back"

[@philb2135]

DSH Trains well that makes me feel a whole lot better...

[@philb2135]

Natalie Wiltshaw three hours later another train came and attached itself to the broken one, we had to get on that. Nice 17 hour working day!

[@harnettyrailways]

Ouch that was a bit nasty

[@WhiteCamry]

Frankenstein's Train.

[@MattyandSaimGamez]

0:14

[@vasilicastoica4802]

👍

[@犬用下着ソース入り消臭剤]

Up and down up and down

[@mak47HDTrains]

Wow

[@bedfordshireeastmidlandstrains]

I thought the train goes Choo Choo, not bang bang

[@dukeidehen08]

Tha heck?

[@bedfordshireeastmidlandstrains]

I know Right?

[@dukeidehen08]

@@bedfordshireeastmidlandstrains ye

[@craftythio]

Kaboom!

[@SouthCoastTrainspotter]

Oops

[@owenchuarbx]

Bollocks.....

[@pepsimadd17]

Oh my god

[@TheRailwaysOfNorthWales]

Jesus!

[@TropicalP456]

0.16 !!!!!!!!

[@oforid2227]

oh theres my train not

[@ajbrail55]

Good God

[@shadowstransport8412]

Oh god that doesn’t look good

[@maxwellwynne-shepherd7852]

E BBRRAAKKEE!!!

[@user-eb4xt7qg3s]

!?

[@Kyle_Houghton]

I don’t think that 350 is ever gonna move again that’s a train for the scrap yard no!

[@A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire]

It is still very much in service.

[@MemeReviewer]

I know that this is old but, this shows how unreliable modern trains can be, just get some class 323s in there and this will never happen.

[@olasola1013]

Problem is, class 323s won't fit the east coast mainline with their top speed of 90 mph compared to the class 350's 110 mph top speed.

[@MemeReviewer]

@@olasola1013 This was old and I forgot about this comment, I meant to say Class 450s

[@MemeReviewer]

@FlexSwiftHe this comment was old, I forgot it existed lol

[@olasola1013]

@@notron8239 Oh, sorry. Yes, it is the west coast mainline

[@leeroberts1192]

If it's faulty OLE damaging the pantograph, how would using a different class of unit make any difference?

[@SoraSummer]

This is why 3rd Rail is better.

[@ollykehoe5054]

TheDrsEnviro200 even though 3rd rail is slower, less safe and less weather resistant. Also, overhead wires can run at higher power and alternating current.

[@SoraSummer]

But looks cleaner.

[@cultivationape6946]

TheDrsEnviro200 lmao again how these British rail fans put their personal preferences over actual benefit of the railwwlays when it comes to speed, safty and overall efficiency overhead wire is be all and end all of electrification and there's just not debating that. the mere fact that you say 3rd rail is better proofs that you have no idea how 3rd rail works 1st of all 3rd rail is connot withstand speeds past 100mph or 160 kph whilst overhead has no limit to how fast trains can go this why all high speed networks have are operated by AC overhead wire. 2nd 3rd rail is extremely dangerous you can talk all day about a broken pantograth how ever their countless videos of trains on fire because of a complication with the shoe and in my opinion a train on fire with people inside is far more dangerous than a broken piece of metal on top of a train. there's also the fact that with 3rd rail you can die just by falling onto the train track whilst unless you jump from a bridge a land balls first onto a overhead wire there no you will die from falling of a platform with overhead wire. 3rd as time goes by and trains get faster 3rd rail will become a thing of the past due to 3rd rail not being able to withstand speeds above 160 kmph it has been discussed as to wether the whole south should be converted to overhead wire. and last but not least overhead wire is just far more aesthetically pleasing.

[@ollykehoe5054]

KING exactly. Third rail is only good for metros and suburban rail. Not high speed or intercity services.

[@akarouge]

The only reason the South haven't converted to OHLE is because they'll have to rail every tunnel to fit them it. And that's too expensive.

[@MattyandSaimGamez]

0:15

[@aidanstrains9806]

Wow