Class Changes / PVP Update - The War Within

Class Changes / PVP Update - The War Within

[@broqoli]

As a warrior main: what did they do to my boy?!

[@OrisMaxy]

reworking blademaster, is just a troll from blizzard 😭🙏

[@malebolgiakerbholz9093]

Sad Day for Arms Warriors... After I saw these changes my blood was boiling....they don't get it... 😡

[@onlywrongaexthetics6181]

😂😂🎉🎉 weak people change class. Powerfull ones change game. Cheeers 🎉🎉😂😂

[@staleeh]

Blizz balance team 100% plays ranged haha

[@petersirota5124]

@@onlywrongaexthetics6181What a stupid take. Oh my gosh

[@miguelgon13]

Just as it is it’s hard to even play the game with the amount of cc now without bladestorm we’re just gonna be sitting ducks

[@Thomess1337]

Mine too. I was so fucking angry.

[@LastTryMedia]

That whirling dragon punch talent is gonna be SO TRIGGERING cos you know it's gonna be 15yds upwards with slowfall, so 3+ seconds of CC

[@derrickhead]

so how demon hunter keep they dispell but ret/ paladin gotta lose theirs wtf and who in the hell is gonna use turn evil like gtfoh im so sick of the one size fits all talents thats my biggest problem with the game right now give you 100 options but only 10 make sense smh blizz get it together

[@RhodesianSuperiority]

Are you actually this dumb? DH has a purge, not a dispel. Pally had a 12second auto dispel baked into their kit that basically destroyed half the classes in the game ability to do or setup damage. It was super busted.

[@zombii4125]

Blizzard needs to employ people that are actually good at PvP. Instead of having a bunch of keyboard turners who just rotate who’s super OP

[@PossiblyJustARandomGuy]

Here’s my take on strang. Already tied for fewest ccs of any class in the game. Asphyx + strang has a longer duration than a simple 5 second silence. Also, it now only takes a trinket to end the dk's cc whereas I used to be able to silence again after trinket. Also, if you got grounded or faded on the asphyx, you could wait and then silence after. Now, you just don’t have any cc for 45 seconds, meaning you will go an 1.5 minutes without applying cc

[@Millyviews]

going to review talents soon! Great vid

[@endofexistence2149]

Hunters and shamans got talent adjusted at the same time hunters are probably in the deck right now and shamans will be after they are done.

[@matteocotza9981]

Shamans....

[@dilididli2274]

RIP warrior... This didn't aged well

[@Altruistic-General]

God blizzard really hates shaman. Holy shit, are they still mad about bus shock? That was like 18 years ago come on!

[@tylerchapman8856]

Maybe tbere saving the best for last and they probably enjoy watching a bunch of whiney nerds lose there shit

[@Bigalwarrior]

What’s the point of duel if they go on you anyways? They should add something to it. Bladestorm should act as a vortex bringing targets into it.

[@petersirota5124]

What? XD

[@shugguls]

They said shaman is getting a rework in the next few weeks

[@psykoterapeutendaniel9677]

this was it.

[@ThiagoBarbosa-id6pz]

Where did you see this information?

[@aces8481]

they said that about 6 years ago bro

[@jesuscollazo4303]

Shamans are re place with evo lol

[@Complication84]

blizz historically shits on hunter/warrior constantly and is always buffing the fuck out of mages

[@jeje4131]

Meanwhile cloth user are tanker than plate and more effective in melee range + I finite cc. Just remove melee all together. What is even the point.

[@HlghV0LTag3]

U gotta be joking? Only SP and some specs of lock feel tanky rn, most casters get gutted so easily if they misposition/ misplay

[@gregtroufas8066]

you must be stupid...

[@petersirota5124]

My ret pal doing pretty good at glad mmr, maybe you are problem 😁

[@jeje4131]

@@petersirota5124 i'm not a pro or anything i'm just an average player occasiona pvp enjoyer. I mostly play warrior arms. There are cloth users that can just sit there take your full rotation/burst in the face like nothing. Also the cc bloating is fucking stupid.

[@eugenesternin6039]

I feel like survival will struggle with focus now. Bombs costs focus - that’s a big nerf imo

[@rodrigofreitas1316]

FINALLY some decent changes for frost dk man. Spec has been shit for the past 3-4 expansions

[@Tr3nix]

As a new Arcane mage main for season 4 in DF... All I can say is ... "LETS FUGGIN GO DUDE"

[@merlin_siegfried]

nice another fotm player.... The cancer of WoW, go back to MM or DH.

[@BIuffwatcher]

too many fun pvp talents. wish we could choose 4!

[@Caffrof091]

warriors hold big giant weapons and build rage just to not have a bloodlost, have bad aoe, 0 utility and negative attack range

[@kevinjs26]

Rip ele shaman. I actually like the skyfury totem design change but for the most part elemental shaman has been ignored this expansion.

[@mentalbreak]

Brother what are they doing to shaman. Enhance gets nothing????????????????

[@gadget_hack]

man I wanted them to give arms bloodrage lol. oh well 🤷‍♀

[@dropbodyz5725]

I wanna see some R.I.P. Ret paladin unless anyone that’s been playing beta knows what counters them lol

[@maciej8587]

It’s fine. Between Slayer, PvP talent, and Anger Management I was able to get Bladestorm off CD within ~22-25s on dummy on Beta, it was kind of wild. Now it’s gonna be slightly more reasonable assuming good uptime.

[@Avo7977]

Do you think Ret will be OP in TWW? New player

[@maciej8587]

@@Avo7977 It's impossible to tell since even if the design is slowly stabilizing, just damage tuning can make or break a spec, and that will likely continue till release. Even if a spec is OP at launch there is no guarantee it will stay so for long either, eg Fury was pretty bonkers beginning of S1 in Dragonflight with perma 40% MS and insane durability and that lasted what, 2 weeks? 3? Herald of the Sun looks solid, Radiant Glory even post nerfs also looks cool, but I haven't seen anything that would fundamentally change Ret's identity in PvP. If you like it now, you will like it in TWW, if you don't like it now you won't like it in TWW.

[@CopCaptureOfficial]

@@maciej8587 Hey man, also new player here. Do you think there will be less keybinds/spells in TWW? (I saw they removed some spells and turned them into passive, but maybe they did exchange for new spells idk) Thanks in advance!

[@maciej8587]

@@CopCaptureOfficial The number of binds hasn’t changed in any substantial way in either direction. Very few hero specs add an extra button, most just enhance existing kits, and few specs had a button pruned or added an option to avoid one (like Ret can turn wings into a proc instead of an active button). So same as now +-1 bind.

[@CopCaptureOfficial]

@@maciej8587 Thanks!!

[@TheNewGuy21]

You guys are getting patch notes?

[@sadza18]

in the mean time, Bajheera loves new war changes, dont listen to guy who dont even play warrior x)

[@justlikeyourfathersaid]

he was playing with Bajheera and baj himself was talking shit about the changes dawg.

[@sadza18]

@@justlikeyourfathersaid you high or smth bud? go watch "Infinite Bladestorm Warrior Spec?! (Slayer Fury SHREDS)" Bajheeras

[@OGEETOMO]

Fuck warriors remove Zerker Rage while ur at it.

[@lehzera7311]

One Dawnlight on Ret is sad..

[@lh9072]

Whoever is implementing these changes for the mage PvP talents specifically has no idea what they’re doing. I’ve been a mage main since warlords and feel like the majority of mage PvP talents, with some exceptions, severely lack creativity. I’m not happy with these fire mage changes, and I’d like to explain why. - New Fireheart talent: Currently, blazing barrier is the weakest out of all three mage shields, with arcane in the middle, and frost absorbing the most. Simply put, it is easily removed, whether it be through raw damage (because of its weakness), or the various purge abilities throughout the game. Notably, blazing barrier ONLY affects melee attackers. So, if your shield gets purged, or removed by a huge chaos bolt, this talent is useless. I STRONGLY recommend replacing this with something else. - Glass Cannon: Though glass cannon was not addressed in the blue post, I feel it’s important to discuss its problematic nature. To keep it short and sweet, people feel obligated to choose this talent due to its damage buffing components. The damage increase to fireball, ignite & scorch needs to be made baseline. I know I am not alone in this feeling. Remove glass cannon completely, and create something more exciting, even a passive. - Flamecannon: This talent has been in the game since Legion, which is a considerable amount of time. Though it has gone through adjustments, I feel it’s stood the test of time, being a valuable, unique choice for fire mages to choose. Essentially, this talent increases your health, range of fire spells, and damage, while remaining 15 yds away from enemies in combat. As someone who mainly does battlegrounds, this talent is quite viable, making fire mage a good pickup for a team. You bring raw damage at a high range, similar to a mm hunter. This talent cannot be removed, without high compensation. In a nutshell, this talent is one of the major reasons fire does damage right now.

[@Boss-ot1iy]

Mages don't get the right to complain

[@Caffrof091]

bro shut , this is a warrior post only go post this on mage videos

[@nothinghere2056]

From my experience in solo shuffle ; shaman players tend to be extremely toxic . Less changes = Less Shamans = Better pvp environment .

[@PossiblyJustARandomGuy]

That’s what is known as generalization

[@Kurnhelios]

The wording on strang change is weird, what does “override” actually mean, surely they mean “replace”

[@sai269]

Yeah I was assuming the same thing, they were just trying to sound smart but don't realize that word doesn't really work there....

[@Kurnhelios]

@@sai269 Yeah, the way I interpret override would mean if I stun with asphyx and then press strang it removes the stun and applies the silence instead - Overriding the CC. I’m sure they mean “replace”

[@Eliteninja007]

Making hunter omegagodgod tier…FU all….

[@petersirota5124]

Finally, hunt was trash whole DF

[@Eliteninja007]

@@petersirota5124 i hope thats irony :D

[@petersirota5124]

@@Eliteninja007 No, try to play hunt at glad mmr. Its pain asf.

[@ivartheberserker9918]

Look at that new pally PvP talent!! Turn evil cast reduced how fricking useless

[@C.Krisztián]

Blizz dont kill the Destro Diabolist …. Why need to reduce size of pets , its call mini demon biabolist hero talent ?😂😂

[@Bman24641]

These changes (buffs to odyn’s fury) have me so happy 😁

[@Eckbet]

ok, im maining Survi and Frost DK

[@Tanner-cr2eb]

Yes now I finally have the reason I need to quit this old, stupid, time consuming game. Breaking this dumb addiction and I can’t wait to start touching grass again. Today is a good day.

[@andyc8707]

Ah this sound familiar. I said this once, played every game you can think of and nothing comes close. Honestly, if you can find another game close to wow, I’ll give you a medal 🎉

[@blckkeef]

😂😂😂Yeah right buddy see you when the expansion drops or whenever the buff warriors

[@dimitristzanetis9525]

Rim shammy 😞😞

[@ufade2]

Yay 🎉

[@NeverAware]

"Cross realm guild" still can't Que LFR with horde though, nor can Horde characters find Alliance made guilds lol. So Stupid

[@freddycuevas5743]

Pvp??! Why is this in my feed

[@petersirota5124]

Who cares? This is beta… They just trying to balance classes.

[@zombii4125]

They’re just ruining the game honestly

[@tougeattack123]

cataclysm is 100 times better than this game it doesnt even look like wow any more

[@sseetthh]

low IQ

[@petersirota5124]

Not all of us want spend time with grinding.. Cata is just boring.

[@biggesttboss]

So true

[@tougeattack123]

@@petersirota5124 cata is very fast farm honor gear join rbg get conquest gear conquest cap is 16k you can cap it in one day if you like

[@jigglydududu6593]

How is judgment of the pure damaging to the game lol ? Ofc you biased and want it removed cause you ride the boomie train 🚂 * what a terrible change to paladins once again ..

[@Levelity]

It completely negates entire spec's damage while taking no skill to use since it's just part of your rotation. It was a horrible talent and I abused the hell out of it while it lasted.

[@Kurnhelios]

It’s a rotational ability on a 12 second cooldown that purges an effect on you, mega busted, makes it impossible for classes that require effects on you to set-up their damage.

[@jigglydududu6593]

Legit pala right now ain’t even overpowered with it … 🙈

[@jigglydududu6593]

@@Kurnhelios good … lol that should be the whole point … what else do we have vs casters ?

[@Kurnhelios]

@@jigglydududu6593 I’m convinced you’re trolling now

[@WisdoomOperational]

relax something big is being cooked for shaman i feel like. That tree is too all over the place to be left like it is atm. As far as bladestorm situation? warrior wont have 100% uptime anymore and impairment immunity? hey, sounds good. Also, frost strike 52% dmg during pillar.. perfect.. in pvp we CC-ed during pillar anyway but the change is good. It looks like Diablo IV dev change tbh.. something about this smells like D4

[@dragonsauce358]

Good! Bladestorm is so dumb. Should delete it entirely and make something cooler and better. Such a derp derp spell

[@Nick-fb9nt]

couldn’t agree more. it looks so goofy

[@TeMAC59]

Agreed. if i were on a battlefield and saw someone doing dumb shit like bladestorm i'd just die laughing

[@biggesttboss]

Yes, but it is a unique move to warriors, we need to keep creative class specific moves and stop giving all classes generic same moves, like which class is getting more pets, which class is getting immunity next, which class is getting invisible next, which class is getting riding mount in combat next.😊

[@dragonsauce358]

@biggesttboss sure keep a whirlwind move but bladestorm sucks and has always sucked visually and for gameplay. Very boring

[@Undertaker257]

Yes but it was the only thing allowing warrior to play the game in dragonflight xD

[@jcvm8915]

#reduceKeybinds / PD: a dh main 😅

[@Levelity]

Shamans, if there was anymore evidence that you are being neglected, this update is it. More forcing Primordial Wave and nerfing Static Field totem. Just re-roll or unsub. They are clueless.

[@emansfield2017]

Whoever has a hardon for primordial wave in the dev team just sucks man. Such a terrible ability

[@Ashes22dust]

I can promise you if Shaman don't get a full rework or something good, I'm unsubbing, fuck this whole game

[@Ashes22dust]

​@@emansfield2017it's the worst, I can't stand it

[@Levelity]

@@Ashes22dust I bet money no significant changes occur before release.

[@jetillian]

At least there's communication to warriors...

[@attinger117]

If you have any connections with anyone from blizzard… please ask them what is going on with shaman. Zero communication and zero changes through all alpha and beta. The hero talents barely even function.

[@DeifesFeia]

Push

[@psykoterapeutendaniel9677]

What do you mean? They wont be doing a rework on shaman. They think shaman is fine. Which is why almost all enhancement shamans are rerolling to frost dk :D

[@ARGOS-THOR]

The fact that none of their hero talents are still to be added means they are doing a rework. I'm homing that the windfury side of enh gets 2h spec back tbh.

[@psykoterapeutendaniel9677]

@@ARGOS-THOR you would think so but when survival hunter was implemented it was the same thing. Several talents simply wasnt working and it took AN ENTIRE EXPANSION before they even REMOVED them.

[@DeifesFeia]

@@ARGOS-THOR i dont believe in the 2 hand dream anymore. On beta stormstrike still says that u need dual whield

[@hectorsavarin967]

As shaman we got o communication we got forum more 500 message. blizzard don't care about shaman class

[@christopherwilliams4404]

imagine being someone new to WoW. Look at all these changes and spells. Need to read a novel on all these changes and the talent tree/passives itself to know what everything is lol

[@Amabar]

How are they still struggling with class identity and balance after nearly 2 decades? I'd understand minor reversions, but these patch notes shows Blizzard is just shooting in the dark with class design. They're making changes for no rhyme or reason.

[@petersirota5124]

@@AmabarYea, We need buffs/nerfs for deff spells, or ms spells. Because this is trash

[@Caffrof091]

Honestly every expansion is the same, the same classes are gonna be in the spotlight and shine for the future years to come while the rest (entire melee class tree) could be removed from the game entirely

[@petersirota5124]

@@Caffrof091 1600 Andy trying to talk about pvp. Shut please.

[@Caffrof091]

@@petersirota5124 pvp ina pve game? who cares 😩 go play valorant

[@nicholasgoss4240]

Is shaman as a class being removed from the game or something? .. :/

[@Ashes22dust]

I was hoping Shaman would get a full rework this week, been let down, yet again - some serious bullshit

[@Kyroshi]

I am pretty sure they are still on the redesign and communications the changes on a later stage. Wouldnt be worried too much

[@kuska7cp]

@@Kyroshi Bruh the expansion is like 2 months away and Shamans are in radio silence. Like should their players just buy the expansion and sub for A POSSIBLE REWORK in the future? Nah this is a joke

[@SQLdb]

Nice. So people who wont play slayer got screwed over by this change.

[@justlikeyourfathersaid]

They did not mention shamans bc we are getting a BIG rework. COPIUM

[@Robsos2010]

This always goes the same with Warriors, they get nerfed shitless then stat scaling is off the hook and you eat 200k MS against them. xD

[@zugdigitalx]

200k is nothing in tww

[@Dommy_B]

No fucking shot they did absolutely nothing to Shaman LMAO they have to be trolling the community on purpose, literally EVERY class except Shaman had some sort of note.

[@Sliver7744]

Supa, thank you so much for the videos you upload! For someone like myself that loves the game but works a lot, it's nice to be able to easily pickup all of the changes without scouring the blue posts. I'm working rn just listening to your videos with my earbuds. Thanks bro!

[@emjaythegreat22]

They need to just remove whirlwind from arms and prot warrior all together. Arms uses cleave fury uses whirlwind and prot uses revenge no need for whirlwind anymore for arms. Should have always been that way. Always feels weird using whirlwind as arms. Will also help new players and not use the skill anymore just because they have it and not know

[@r-ex2945]

I knew the paladin nerfs would come haha. Amd offcourse its on our healing... meanwhile hunters get buffs to their healing and survival haha. Great blizz hahaha.

[@Gunship888]

Makes 0 sense smh

[@Ozmaniac2k]

Bro wtf are they doing to rogues ? Every class has like 5 mio changes and buffs but rogs got nothing but nerfs lol

[@LeCaptRage]

I guess Dev/pree Evoker must be looking decent in pvp if they dont change anything.

[@jpibmg]

Flanking strike being a spender instead of generator is tough… wildfire bomb 10 focus also rough… idk

[@TotalRejection]

you will be casting kill command way more than now

[@psykoterapeutendaniel9677]

But this means they will benefit from mastery damage increase which is _huge_.

[@internetxuserx9780]

They changed the mastery dummy lol

[@eugenesternin6039]

@@psykoterapeutendaniel9677mastery was changed, we do not get more dmg from spending focus

[@psykoterapeutendaniel9677]

@@eugenesternin6039 that sucks, didnt know

[@LastTryMedia]

That PvP weapons change is.... BEAUT.

[@pjell]

Shamans have been omitted for 15 years. When I mained shaman in TBC and Wrath I used to wait for patch notes and was always disappointed.

[@RJ-hm8wc]

hpala E-tier all of DF. TWW hasn’t even launched and they nerfed it to K-tier already. Inc another presa/rdudu fiesta

[@stepbrodz307]

surely that will make arms great again if we all believe hard enough

[@jamelsmith8747]

Holy Pala already gutted. Back to the garbage we go

[@brawlcity6383]

Aww… I loved mighty ox kick 😢

[@ConeyIslandKing]

Shaman is HATED by the dev team lol

[@Levelity]

They clearly don't have teams assigned to classes, that's the only way I can interpret the way they release data.

[@palfotta]

One of the best hunter pvp talent is removed (there are very few useable), this is a very sad day.

[@Kurnhelios]

I understand you’re upset, but you get greater purge instead basically baseline. Tranq was only mandatory into resto druids anyway, or into pallies if you’re bug abusing to reduce the time on their divine shield

[@palfotta]

@@Kurnhelios It was very good agaisnt mages and disc priests too. A better tranq shot does not compansate the loss of one of our best counter talent.