Class of '09- Secret Video Message

[@Ambivalence18]

Watch my new Class of 09 video, Class of 09 The Re-Up All Endings Plus Text Messages, here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYjOnYGhfpaCbZY

[@echoweb2]

incel to femcel communication

[@Ambivalence18]

Real!

[@wicrom]

IMCRYING

[@Shortcakeeeeeee]

Wild.

[@owlismyfavouritecolorflame2325]

Incel to femcel conversation

[@sharkattack2903]

Asa and Denji 😭💀😭

[@mikeolson7011]

The grand irony here is that Nicole does know. Jeffery doesn't understand that despite all the attention Nicole gets, shes still incredibly lonely because the people who give her attention don't actually care about her, and she's too emotionally repressed to form connections with people who might.

[@Ashley-u5k]

Oh wow

[@llazr8941]

W comment

[@Mr.happy689]

"then you realize, everyone loves you, but... No one likes you" -silly horse man

[@ZiggyFL]

Exactly, well said

[@nadial8531]

Also the fact that before she was pretty ignored at her other previous schools and family, as she said before all the thinking she’d ever done was alone, she’s just had both sides of the coin tbh

[@ggbg8628]

I love that Nicole and Jecka actually have a serious talk with Jeffery after he demands her to give him an explanation on her behavior, and then when Jeffery downplays her problems she goes right back to mocking him. They truly aren’t made for eachother.

[@Dr._is_sleepy]

Did you not read the 4 paragraph explanation below? Jefferey doesn’t have the tools to communicate, he can’t know any better when he doesn’t have anyone to learn from. Zelda games ain’t teach you, how to talk to people. But he displays a willingness to, which is more than Nicole. Both are equally lost and flawed. EDIT: I will add. Jeffery is legit a bad person don't get me wrong. But I see Nicole and Jeffery as equals in a way. We spend the game on Nicole's POV so we better understand her. Just giving a reason why Jeffery acts this way.

[@timothyjosephbonilla1108]

​​@@Dr._is_sleepyIt's a miracle Nicole would even explain anything at all, it's just Jeffrey being socially inept in general, when somebody tries to actually explain their problem you don't talk them down. I remember in the beginning of the game she talks about she was also quite a social outcast and always changing schools then when she broke out of her bubble they move giving her problems THEN suddenly even more shit happens. So in a way SHE DOES understand Jeffrey it's just she can explain something to an idiot

[@Dr._is_sleepy]

@@timothyjosephbonilla1108 Damn you talk like that to neurodivergent people too? Some people struggle with math, others struggle with social cues. What Jeffery did was wrong and he’s not a great person, but his mindset I find to be admirable. He’s willing to fix his dumpster environment regardless how futile it is.

[@ILove-qr6ms]

​@@timothyjosephbonilla1108 You sound just as sociopathic as Nicole. Imagine for a second (I know, this may be difficult for you) you are Jeffrey. You are bullied for years on end by people, who's lives (on the outside) seem 20x better than yours and when you finally confront of the main people bullying you, asking why? You get told reasons that don't make any sense to you, and honestly just seem like an excuse to go after a soft target.

[@borgie-c6p]

@@ILove-qr6ms That's the problem, he's judging them from the outside. Nicole often has to struggle with sexual harassment, dangerously obsessive people and many other horrible problems. She explains this to Jeffrey, then she gets victim blamed. Yikes.

[@user-dm8vz1yh1n]

Nicole’s graduation speech and adulthood is definitely the canon ending. I’d certainly like to believe so

[@addys8888]

Honestly i'd feel like she's khs

[@Jo-sx8yi]

At least its the one that allows for the continuity in the re-up Edit: nvm it doesnt

[@minecraftWithDanielD]

@@addys8888considering the recent announcement, it can’t be

[@badlilthang2]

@@minecraftWithDanielD what was the recent announcement

[@minecraftWithDanielD]

@@badlilthang2 The Flip Side. Its a sequel where you play as Jecka

[@tedbrittain9650]

I see a lot of people talking about how one person in this conversation is right and I think that's pretty reductive, IMO they're both wrong if anything. Jefferey is essentially saying "you have a choice of what to do, and then you choose to hurt people who haven't necessarily hurt you just because you can, you have the resources to get whatever you want and all you use them for is to toy with others like a game". And Nicoles response is essentially "I know what I'm doing is wrong and I don't care, I'll never get what I actually need so instead I'll satisfy any fleeting want as a consolation prize for never being fulfilled, because the structure of the culture and society around me inhibits my actualization; a culture you perpetuate, which is why I'm okay with talking past you, I know you won't get it but it's fine for me to make fun of you because nothing I actively do can be worse than the things you passively perpetuate." Jeffery is willing to empathize with Nicole, but doesn't have the tools to, Nicole has the tools to empathize with Jeffery, but isn't willing to; if she started empathizing with Jeffery, everything would come crashing down, the only power she has would disappear, principal Lynn touches on this when she talks about controlling men and not 'falling for' caring about them. Nicole is able to validate her self perception of superiority by being aware of her capability (to understand him when he can't understand her) that Jeffery doesn't possess, and uses this to insulate herself from the emotions that might come from actually meeting Jefferey on his level. Jeffery thinks Nicole has abandoned her humanity, Nicole believes that she's transcended it. It's a greek tragedy to Nicole, the great value that society attached to the aspects of herself that she has no control over represent an inexorable prophecy to Nicole, that she's destined to fulfill; willing or unwilling. I think this is why in half then endings she becomes extremely successful and in the other half she hits rock bottom and stays there. Because the societal impressions pushed onto Nicole are real, and she has a decent chance of riding them all the way to the top, but so too are her traumas and vices caused by them, and depending on how the out world treats her, either could win. In every ending one thing stays consistent, Nicole doesn't change. This is why Jefferey is angry with her, on some level he recognizes that Nicole won't change, but he can't change (not saying this is necessarily true tho). It's funny because I think SBN3 deliberately made these characters as direct parallels, Jefferey has an abusive dad, Nicole has an abusive mom; Jefferey gets no attention because he's an unattractive boy, Nicole gets all the attention because she's an attractive girl; these are equally harmful, but in such different ways that it makes those who experience them have a difficult time empathizing with eachother. I think the choice to make Nicole the perspective character was concerted; everybody will give attention to a story about an attractive girl; nobody will give attention to a story about an unattractive boy. And in terms of a video game/visual novel, attention = success. I don't think it's a coincidence at all that Nicoles bad endings often involve drug abuse, and Jeffery's most notable bad ending involve extreme violence; Nicoles mom is abusive because she does drugs and ignores her daughters problems, Jefferey's dad is abusive because he's a violent gun nut; Nicole sees the world as uncaring and meaningless, Jefferey sees the world as evil and hostile, so of course Nicole responds by not caring about anything and Jefferey responds by hating everything, sound familiar? Class of '09 is a lot of things, most of all a love letter to the 2000's, but I think SBN3 is trying to say something really poignant about... something? Societal neglect of genders in different ways? Cultural prejudice on the basis of sex? Maybe even more generally a statement on empathy and hate? Because what this conversation reveals about these two characters is that they hate eachother. Nicole talks past Jefferey on purpose because she doesn't want to give him the understanding he's desperately searching for and Jefferey attacks her back with pure sincerity, the one thing she can't touch without collapsing. But he opened the interaction with sincerity so maybe he was the aggressor here? Or he wasn't trying to because he still didn't understand? Maybe Nicole can't even take Jefferey trying to connect with her sincerely because she's too jaded by this point. I think in the end it's just 2 broken people trying to find what they're looking for and never getting it. I think maybe it's two different people who have the same kind of trauma, who feel the same kind of pain, but can't connect over it because the things causes are so disparate. And so they end up hating eachother instead. They literally said it right at the beginning of the interaction, Jefferey is still trying to figure out the big idea (the way people interact and society actually works) Nicole already figured it out and realized that being aware of it wouldn't help so she went back down a level (medium ideas) because constantly living with what awareness with no agency about it is crippling, and in intentionally choosing not to understand she can also deny empathy, making her immediate circumstances a playground. Jefferey thinks that if he can figure out the big idea it'll make a difference, nocole know it won't, if had to choose who's morally in the right it's probably Jefferey, if I had to choose who's actually correct in their perceptions and assertions, it's Nicole. I think the advent of technology in the 2000s is the perfect setting for the themes of this story, it's new enough that adults don't fully understand it yet, but useful enough that it makes a huge influence in the power balance between kids and adults, giving kids/teens a hitherto unheard of amount of agency and capacity for independent thought and expression. It lowered the barrier of entry to being different than your parents or disagreeing with authority figures, and so authority derived from things like religion or culture became more tenuous than ever before. But the number of youth that felt completely alone increased proportionally. I don't know what I'm really getting at I guess I'm just screaming this into the void because I'm thinking these things over myself. Anyway, if you read this whole thing, I hope it helped you hone your own insight as to what the VN actually means, if you can think of something interesting about all this that I didn't mention please share, I'd like to hear other people's perspectives.

[@Ambivalence18]

Thank you for writing so much. I love that someone would write over 1,000 words about my content!

[@MrEgg-zb2nf]

Brother, you’ve restored my faith in humanity

[@Sykroid]

Not only did you analyze this all the way down to the deepest, most complex level, but you also phrased everything perfectly. It's concise, yet hits the mark and covers the characters in their entirety. Amazing job man. Also I know you wanted to elaborate on how this flips the standard VN on it's head, but that would require it's own write-up lol. What I WILL add, however, is that yes the game seems to reflect the freedom the irl teens of '09 were given via the internet and escape from cultural boundaries. It does this by literally making the social and societal "system" incapable of working the way it's supposed to. Nicole is given freedom to do whatever she wants, so nothing stops her from abusing everything to her advantage. It shows just how far somebody can go when barricades like parental figures, social pressure, and empathy are all just background noise that's easily bypassed with no regard. However, _being uninformed_ is another lifted barricade. Nicole knows how to abuse the system, manipulate people, obtain drugs/pills, and recognize most dangers (like grooming, gaslighting, and coercion), so she's given the tools to take advantage of her freedom. This is basically what you already said, but less on a character-driven level, and instead on a societal one lol.

[@procyon6445]

Dang. I ain’t readin all that but cool man

[@joud6378]

I often hear people talking abt how great the 2000s were, wishing they could go back, and even making an entire aesthetic of it with y2k. Millennials act like everything has better back then, and I feel like this VN challenges that instead of just looking back at childhood with rose tinted glasses. There are some issues that aren’t prevalent now, but there are also a lot that are. Idk if what i said make sense bc honestly I liked the VN just for the toxic Yuri lmao

[@rookiewarrior6419]

When they said coke I was thinking of the soda. I'm way too old to be this clueless.

[@Ashley-u5k]

LMAOO

[@lattythepatty]

Me toooo

[@AntiUni417]

I’m 18 and I still thought of the soda 💀

[@phenomenalprofile7189]

golden sun pfp my brother 🙏

[@luvquixs]

n im 14 and i thought of the ew icky stuff 😭😭

[@kyrarose4517]

"How would you let some crazy guy get your number like that in the first place?" Hearing this asked hurt. The auto-response most the time really is just "Oh, you're being harassed? It's your fault for being vulnerable" Excuse me??

[@imthebossmermaid3648]

It’s giving “what were you wearing?”

[@digidittoboy]

I've thought about this a lot. It depends where the question coming from. Because for me personally and I like to think most people it's about finding the crazy persons basis in reality. because Nicole right about obsession

[@lordeugene4907]

It is Lol

[@imthebossmermaid3648]

@lordeugene4907 Rape apologist. 🤮

[@Fleetwoodmeow]

​@lordeugene4907 What do you mean...?

[@Mr.Mo_6]

Perfect example of “the grass is always greener on the other side”

[@GuyDoesJob]

Wouldn’t be “isn’t always greener on the other side”?

[@arandomdoggu7516]

i dont understand this quote

[@Mr.Mo_6]

@@arandomdoggu7516 i used google but When someone says the grass is greener on the other side, they mean the things we don't have seem better than the things we have. In other words, we are always tempted by and envious of what other people have. Sometimes, the old saying refers to certain situations.

[@Mr.Mo_6]

@@GuyDoesJob no because When someone says the grass is greener on the other side, they mean the things we don't have seem better than the things we have. In other words, we are always tempted by and envious of what other people have. Sometimes, the old saying refers to certain situations.

[@arandomdoggu7516]

@@Mr.Mo_6 i kinda get it now, thanks a lot

[@nvrneffa]

Nicole said herself she wasn't always pretty, not always the "popular socially spoiled girl" she was once left out and most likely picked on so when jeffery says she doesn't understand she def has experienced it.

[@kellabdjfoo]

Yes!

[@Random_Wierdo.]

She was never picked on, and if she did have the experience, why does she have no empathy for him

[@nrhanoon]

@@Random_Wierdo.because she’s a sociopath

[@Random_Wierdo.]

@@nrhanoon yeah I totally forgot that. But also, she couldn’t feel sympathy for him anyway, because she was never picked on.

[@hehhehhehheh-wn7zz]

​@@Random_Wierdo. Because deep down, Jeffery is like every other guy with creepy intentions. In one ending, Jeffery is a school shooter that goes for her after knowing her for *days* because unlike his normal bullies, he got attached and obsessed with an idea of her. The concept he wants out of someone and slapped on to her. She's all too familiar and sick of it. As she said in the Kylar route, she's tired of the same boring and creepy guys that are only attracted to her trying to take her out with their parents money. She gets nothing out of it, in the end it's just to satisfy themselves. So this and her having "no empathy" for Jeffery are vastly different. Hell, that in itself is a lie, as when she first meets him, there are options where Nicole tries to help him out, but he's too immature to get what he's saying. She does it because she's familiar. If she can pick up on what was going on there on the first day of school, she has to have experience and empathy. She has to know what it's like to be excluded, uneasy, a misfit.

[@bondage8134]

I like how grey things are. Jeffrey can be a victim of bullying and still a total creep. Likewise Nicole can be a sociopathic asshole and a victim

[@zeroanonymity9736]

God it's a genuinely incredible moment. Like that's a perfect summation of the game, isn't it? Jeffrey presumably being the player before playing the game. It's a weirdly empathetic and even sweet admission on the game's part in the form of another hilariously well paced skit.

[@guidomista9565]

Class of 09: the realest depiction of high-school

[@C_Films.]

Fr like even tho it’s exaggerates a lot, it’s still incredible accurate to emotions

[@UmiZoomR]

Your HS experience was a family guy episode?

[@C_Films.]

@@UmiZoomR Yours wasn’t?

[@pantommy]

Crazy how high school for me wasn't nearly as eventful, everyone was just getting along and respecting each other. Obviously, some people were still outcasts and people had their problems, but there was absolutely no bullying besides playful banter which was reciprocated (is it bullying if the roles keep switching?). Then again, I'm from eastern Europe so obviously it wouldn't be the same as an American high school, but for the most part we were really just normal people living normal lives. I think it's also important to note that our "classes" were formed of the same consistent 30 people during the 4 years, we all had the same periods and subjects. Obviously helped a lot to bond more, but overall we interacted less with others outside our group. It was a neutral experience. Didn't feel like I gained much from it. Literally 4 years of nothing much from all sides, maybe besides the knowledge everyone is expected to get. It is of note that our high school system makes it so people are segregated based on a test begore they go to high school, so I ended up with other "smart" people, which I think contributed to the overall nice experience. I can't talk for the lower end high schools besides anecdotes from people who went there, and allegedly they're like warzones and jungles full of delinquency and sunstance abuse. Soo.. in short I'm just upper class and never got to experience average struggles. I suppose.

[@Charliaa.-e]

@@pantommypersonally I live in France and Middle school is kind of a better way to describe class of 09 for me (not to say that class of 09 will be better in middle school IT SHOULD STAY IN HIGHSCHOOL) But i see some parallels between my class and the class of Nicole (exept I definitely am not Nicole(exept I see similarities between her and me ) And I am not in high school yet but but my brother was and he said that it was calm

[@Miminoichiji]

Never played class of ‘09 but from all the conversations I’ve seen with Nicole this feels like the one conversation she takes seriously

[@rocks4brainzz]

And it is. I don’t think there’s any other instance where she takes a conversation seriously, if we don’t count the ones where she’s being threatened

[@evgeniapopova4788]

​@@rocks4brainzz there's the route where she's havibg a conversation with principal Lynn in the end. They talk about how men had always been taking advantage of both of them, and Lynn admits that she was a lot like Nicole when she was younger, while Nicole seems to be start principal at least a little more, because she understands how she feels. That dialoge doesn't even include any mean jokes from her side, so she really did take it pretty seriously

[@cipher697]

instead of this i got some weird irl video that was low quality of someone running into the woods with a knife.

[@Ambivalence18]

That’s in class of 09 the re up. This is regular class of 09. The weird irl video is also on my channel!

[@watermelonvomit]

​@@Ambivalence18how do i get to see this ingame???

[@RenShinomiya121]

that's Re-Up, it's a cool secret video though, i think it alludes to Jecka probably being the playable character instead of Nicole when a third game pops up someday.

[@heckerlil6171]

@@RenShinomiya121u Called it

[@RenShinomiya121]

@@heckerlil6171 is this truly how i found out there's a trailer for the new game??? If so, thank you AND HELL YEAH JECKAAAAA

[@csarine]

I like this ending because even though the reasoning for Nicole acting out is obvious, it sums her behaviour up pretty well. And, I guess people who are only liked solely for their looks tend to feel this way a lot. No wonder why Nicole's suffering so much.

[@amandahugenkiss2310]

What I like about this is that both of them are in the wrong. . Both of their suffering is valid, but instead of having the empathy to understand the others problems, they dismiss them. If they just stopped and thought about what the other has to go through, this could have been the beginning of a friendship rather than a pissing contest as to who has it worse. It shows what happens when you only think of your own problems and don’t empathize what others may be feeling

[@CaptainUndead]

There is no way that these two could be friends the way they are at this point. Look at that SA - loneliness pissing contest in that other thread down there, it's the same thing. Only in another world where they weren't both blinded by overwhelming trauma could they really understand. Oh and yeah sure Nicole has a good idea of what it's like to be Jeffrey. But at this point she's put up her walls and learned that empathy is vulnerability and weakness, and bitterness and cynicism is the shield that keeps her safe. So it's no longer a choice to try to reach out, so it doesn't matter. Kindness is just the girl hormones talking anyway.

[@MidnightDrake]

@@CaptainUndead Woah-kay buddy. Didn't need to say that cynicism is the only right thing in this world. The key is a balance of both. Hell, I just got done with freshman and I already know that. I'm a cynical piece of shit, yet I still try to balance that out with the acts that I do on a daily basis.

[@sylvia-mae-bombkitty]

​@@MidnightDrakeI don't think they were saying that as what they think, moreso as to what Nicole thinks

[@Harai2Momo]

I wouldn’t say beginning of a new friendship I would say atleast an understanding.

[@chaosblitz1352]

The contrast between Jeffrey and Nicole reminds me of the movie "Two Distant Strangers" Jeffrey does not understand the extent of 'attention' Nicole gets and undermines the amount of sexual harassment, trauma, and threats she receives naturally. This is why Nicole is harsh to other people as they only see her for body, especially the adult holy shit, they are terrible people Jeffrey is right when he says "Every time I try to have a normal convo you just make it a joke about me" And I know it's a joke, but it's obvious by now that Nicole's "jokes" are very mean-spirited. Despite all the trauma, Nicole just overall seems like she's incapable of being kind. And yes, sociopaths are capable of expressing generosity or kindness.

[@christianbethel]

They can be kind to accomplish a goal, nothing more.

[@bearzinluvzxd]

​@@christianbethel no? Sociopathy is part of the antisocial personality disorder, together with psychopathy. Both of them can actually feel for someone, they can care and be kind just as much, it is just hard because their disorder makes them disregard feelings and have a lower empathy. It's not that they're aways manipulative, it's simply that they have a hard time putting thenselves in other's shoes and are aways looking for immediate gratification.

[@jasoncola6071]

@@bearzinluvzxd and you're the reason we're gonna keep making politicians out of psychopaths.

[@girlfriend2287]

in the original Class of 09(not the re-up) you can clearly see that Nicole DOES know how it feels to be in Jeffery's shoes. Back when she didn't close off all of her emotions on the people around her and build a thick wall.

[@Sage-bk4zm]

Where was it mentioned or stated she was bullied and picked on for years, and beat up, and a social outcast, and no friends for her entire life, and no chance to improve social interaction lil bro.

[@girlfriend2287]

@@Sage-bk4zm in the original class of 09's start-up animation. plus, i think that even 1-2 years of the loneliness couldve made her realise how it felt. what r u on?

[@extenduss]

"I guess we'll never know." there's something about that line and the way it's delivered that kinda hits. it's like she sort of WANTS to see herself in Jeffrey's shoes, and she wants Jeffrey to see himself in her shoes. but neither of them can

[@devilsora100]

I feel like it's tinted in some sad irony too. Like he accuses her of not knowing what it's like being in his shoes, but she DOES know. She had similar thoughts about other popular girls in the game's intro, how she thought they were stupid and how most of the actual thinking she did was when she was alone because prettier girls didn't know what being alone felt like. So due to her constantly moving schools, while she hasn't had Jeffrey's experience, she does know what loneliness can be like when you have no one to stand up for you in a world of shitty adults and broken personalities. And when asked, she just deflects and goes for assuming things will remain the way they appear to be, instead of shoving another one-liner to his face. He hit a sensitive area, and she'd rather move on than explore the subject.

[@dariusbrown7870]

@@devilsora100 So out of all of the game’s interactions Jefferey is the person who really hit a nerve?

[@devilsora100]

@@dariusbrown7870 Somewhat yes. Nicole usually uses her beauty and apathy to shield herself, no one but her family knows how she was before. Not even Jecka knew how attached Nicole is to her or how Nicole truly felt about her dad's death. Jeffrey's social awkwardness ironically makes him the only one capable of understanding her issues making friends, but since she never speaks about those openly, all he can do is remind her of her old school cliques or of her repressed young teen self. Everyone else in contrast seems to have had a more stable life so they don't get her attitude. Still, Nicole can show surprising compassion by cheering Kylar up from any suicidal impulses when rejected or cheer up Jeffrey when he thinks his life is over. Despite labeling and presenting herself as a sociopath, Nicole can be vulnerable enough to be affected if the person she's talking to resonates with her own issues (as opposed to self harming to spite her or for her benefit, in which case she can overlook stuff). Jeffrey was one of the only people to call Nicole out properly when she's acting like her usual self, but even he doesn't know he actually hit where it hurt (because no way Nicole would open up to him of all people). Tl;dr Yup, Jeffrey struck a nerve and doesn't even know it, only because he knows the pain she used to be in but none of them are open enough to discuss how similar their life issues are (probably doesn't help the counselor and all the male teacher are walking felons and outright criminals in some cases that none of the students have the usual gut to denounce them or open up to them, since it'd give them leverage onto potentially already troubled teens).

[@ash._.es_._]

Now THIS is good writing. We will never, EVER like Jeffery, but this establishes so much between these two within three minutes. The comments on this video shows PLENTY proof how this secret video had its standing here. THIS is the type of shit Flip Side should’ve went balls to the walls over, but instead we just got 15 dollar shock humor with less content. SBN3 had a ghost writer. Change my mind.

[@Random_Wierdo.]

Challenge accepted: the creator got a fan base of stupid spoiled, woke kids that are too young to understand all the brilliant references and subtleties of the era, because it was meant for people in their 30s. All they do is fly off the handle with conclusions about the characters behavior, write long, essays, and make video blows about why certain characters are asexual and or gay. And complain about why there aren’t any Black people in the game. Plus, if you have actually seen their pictures, in real life they are woke weirdos who dress like clowns and sexually confused losers. Some of them have even blamed the ending triggered them of an existing mental disorder. They are insane and unsufferable. So the creator just made flipside as a quick money grab and an FU to all his annoying fan base

[@LudovicaSofia]

@@Random_Wierdo.Jesse what the fuck are you talking about?

[@dariusbrown7870]

To say we’ll never like him is a bit much.

[@gloomzplays]

@@dariusbrown7870Nope I’d say it’s pretty true

[@dariusbrown7870]

@@gloomzplays We don’t speak for everyone and you sure don’t speak for me. Wether it’s out of a sense of pity or a petty sense of vindication for some people and some people probably just finding his antics funny there are reasons to like him beyond his lacking moral character. Then again he can be annoying, which is the WORST thing a character can be.

[@petrichor04_]

evangelion if it took place in a high school in the late 2000s

[@InternetMonster1]

Evangelion takes place in 2016 with middle schoolers.

[@tacituskilgore80]

Evangelion if it wasn't Evangelion and it had nothing to do with Evangelion.

[@ratvolver]

How is this remotely related to Evangelion

[@tacituskilgore80]

@@ratvolver exactly 😭

[@L30GH05TDUD3]

“I’ll guess we’ll never know…” Aka “Except I do know and feel being “you” for a day, because I was that at some point, and I’d rather kms before I get to that point again.” Nicole literally pretty much explained how lonely she was at the beginning of the game prior to “being pretty” and once she became such she started to exploit such to her advantage. And is disgusted at Jeffrey because he sorta represents a past portrayal of her before the pretty part. She, like Jeffrey and even Jecka is just as insecure except manifested in a different way.

[@ChromiumCastle]

There’s a world of difference between being a late bloomer and being unwanted for life

[@csbanahan]

I feel like I just watched Arsenic and Cyanide get into a screaming match.

[@Ambivalence18]

@@csbanahan two toxic people!!!

[@DingusDungus]

Who is who?

[@Paracetamolecito]

One thing that makes me understand Nicole it's the fact she is honest about how horrible she is, she doesn't hide it but she also plays along the way to hummilate others once they don't stop trying to get on her life, which is horrible but it's not quite unprovoked in the context of the game, all the guys are quite horrible and Jeffery is gross when given the most basic sense of confidence, he sees himself as a victim of Nicole but no one asked him to keep searching for her, anyone with self respect would avoid Nicole as the plague but they want her bc she is hot and a girl, he is a victim of his familiar background and bullying yes but Nicole is just the tip of the iceberg and yet he makes her into the breaking point in a way (ignoring the routes where she makes him go literally ballistic), I mean even in this ending she is brought to the scenario not by choice but by him and the principal, what did they expect from literally fucking Nicole who hates everyone and herself, no way she was gonna say oh I love high-school and this random anime obsessed boy

[@n0wheregrrl]

The sad thing about Nicole and Jeffery is that despite how wildly different they are, in a few ways, they're very similar: they're both mentally ill and emotionally damaged to a dangerous and self-destructive extent, both treated absolutely horribly by a wide variety of people, and both either unable to (Nicole) or too socially inept to (Jeffery) form meaningful attachments to almost anyone. If they could sit down and have an honest and respectful conversation (leaving 40-foot-tall anime catgirls out of it), and if they were capable of listening to and understanding other people, they might each develop a newfound understanding for the horrors the other faces. I'm not saying they'd become friends, but they might at least gain some small insight into one another as human beings. But they can't and won't. They're completely talking past one another. Nicole never shows one ounce of empathy for Jeffery's problems (and I'm not sure she's capable of it), and conversely, when Nicole tries to explain hers, Jeffery also makes zero effort to understand her perspective.

[@sarcasticsuperjerk18]

I think Nicole not feeling empathy for Jeffrey's situation is another reason for why this moment is so gray. Nicole seems like she's a narcissist, not some kind of sociopath, she's far too self-aware to be one. A common misconception that plagues conversation about stuff like this is that they are physically unable to change. Without exaggeration, everyone can change. There is no human being on earth incapable of change, otherwise they would be unable to develop past their first layer of consciousness. The cause of people like Nicole not changing is not the fact that they can't, they just refuse to. Nicole, in this situation, could've chosen to step into Jeffrey's shoes for a moment, but chooses not to. Jeffery is like this too; so blinded by his rage that he wouldn't consider for a moment what Nicole's life is really like. One is too apathetic, the other is, ironically, too emotional.

[@sarcasticsuperjerk18]

I think Nicole not feeling empathy for Jeffrey's situation is another reason for why this moment is so gray. Nicole seems like she's a narcissist, not some kind of sociopath, she's far too self-aware to be one. A common misconception that plagues conversation about stuff like this is that they are physically unable to change. Without exaggeration, everyone can change. There is no human being on earth incapable of change, otherwise they would be unable to develop past their first layer of consciousness. The cause of people like Nicole not changing is not the fact that they can't, they just refuse to. Nicole, in this situation, could've chosen to step into Jeffrey's shoes for a moment, but chooses not to. Jeffery is like this too; so blinded by his rage that he wouldn't consider for a moment what Nicole's life is really like. One is too apathetic, the other is, ironically, too emotional.

[@nomad5195]

This pretty much proves that the adulthood graduation ending is canon.

[@romix6427]

I GUESS WE'LL NEVER KNOW 🔥🔥🔥🔥🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🎤🎤🎤

[@digidittoboy]

I love this. Both of them have a fucked situation and both of them acknowledged that the others situation is fucked and have a moment

[@shibuyadaemon9111]

dude this was actually really cool. it was a genuine conversation. class of 09 has the power to have so many fucking layers

[@itzskye7074]

Average Misandrist-Incel interaction

[@sameenmacaron5398]

Misandrist 😭😭😭

[@anintrovertonyoutube5271]

New realest description of this scene ever this is so accurate 😭

[@go-at7783]

@@sameenmacaron5398 I mean he's not wrong, but the reason she acts the way she does is def justified, even if it does make her horrible

[@mac_mule]

​@@sameenmacaron5398 she hates men so like, its not like hes wrong or anything.

[@sameenmacaron5398]

@@mac_mule no he’s right its just rlly funny when people act like misandry is anything near equivalent to misogyny

[@Midori-Chan-t2k]

Y’know, Nicole does know what it’s like to be alone, since we see that in the intro in the very beginning of the game

[@spacellama5474]

In all seriousness both situations suck, one is not better than the other. Being Nicole for a day results in pedophiles, creeps and crazy people and being Jeffrey is a world of ridicule, bullying etc. they both have ways to cope but it’s in toxic ways that at the end of the day are all they know how to use

[@gloomzplays]

So ur comparing being sexually harassed daily to being a loner…?

[@OliveOilFan]

Both make very valid points. When you actually play the games and think about it, Jeffery is lonely but everyone knows that, but so is Nicole. If she wasn’t attractive she’d be forgotten and ignored just like him. Both are lonely in the end

[@Random_Wierdo.]

Not true. Nichole has Jecka. But on the other hand Jeffrey is alone not because of him being socially awkward, but because of him being pervy and creepy

[@Sage-bk4zm]

@@Random_Wierdo.lil bro he is alone because he is socially awkward, how would they know he is,”Pervy” and “creepy” if he doesn’t talk to them lil bro.

[@Random_Wierdo.]

@@Sage-bk4zm he has talked to Nicole multiple times in the game. Every time he opens his mouth, he reveals something pervy or creepy about himself.

[@jaiden8529]

​@@Sage-bk4zmYou're too young to understand the whole concept

[@redrasegarden]

@@Sage-bk4zmwell he did take that one pic in his his route right?

[@agostinhoneto6653]

Both of them are right in the wrong way, being bullied thru school and being SA'd are both horrible things and even if society tries to downplay it both problems ate valid and need a solution. "Is he really comparing SA to lonelyness?" No, he is saying his situation is worse because he doesnt see Nicole suffering about her situation, because she can cope with it by joking and drugs, jeffrey doesnt go that way. Both of them got valid problems, but they dont give a shit about the other because ppl only look into themselves. Try putting yourself on the other situation suffering from SA or bullying EVERY DAY. Its traumatic.

[@Ladisepic]

Im pretty sure this is after the valedictorian ending where nicole calls the school out, i wonder if thats the canon ending? It does somewhat feel like a setup to another game in a way

[@DxgAwa]

It is, in the start of the video Jecka ask where Nicole has been. And her clothes is the same as when she talk to P.Lynn in the valedictorian ending

[@popstar1084]

it is a setup. the upcoming c09 game is focused on jecka’s events post-grad

[@dennisg.6389]

No class of 09 the re up was between this game and flipside​@@popstar1084

[@marijanesmoker6921]

@@popstar1084well what do you think of the sequel?

[@popstar1084]

@@marijanesmoker6921 f*tish content :(

[@jeremiahrodriguez9302]

“WHATS THE BIG IDEA?!🤓” Jecka: I dunno I usually have little ideas Nicole: Yeah, and I get medium ideas🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️

[@cotten1099]

YEAH🗣🗣❗️❗️

[@Prettyboyfizzy]

3:13 they Quoted Kanye in the ending they cooked 🔥🔥🔥😭😭😭

[@Ambivalence18]

@@Prettyboyfizzy glad someone finally gets that!

[@Jakeyreegs]

She’s canonically a Kanye fan so it’s even more funny

[@KaimationOffical]

Basically when the person everyone hates meets the person everyone is obbesed with

[@Sonicfalcon16]

Takes you by surprise the tone shift to be a real moment given ehat the games advertised itself as. Very well managed scene

[@Nathan15038]

A wiseman one said “and that’s just how life goes”

[@oceanman_8370]

This really made the game for me. It really summed up all the ideas the game tackles with in a nice complex way. Moments like this make class of 09 stand out as more than the game where that anime girl does crack

[@pretzelie44]

CLASS OF 09 HVING A PART TWO IN COLLEGE WOULD GO HARD

[@PSIChris]

Class of 09: the flipside was revealed.

[@weebmememachine9740]

@@PSIChris and it was some shit

[@SwitchedPC]

Just got this ending tonight… really sad…

[@goldinggo8444]

Why do I feel like they could be a good trio? (If Jeffrey is acting like this in this secret the entire time)

[@Ambivalence18]

Haha that would be funny

[@Chameleon-jellyfishimmortality]

The “fight or flight response every day” hit to close to home

[@jibsee]

maryland mentioned RAHH

[@sammzerslmao769]

i definitely see where both of them are coming from tbh

[@Scarlz-14..xx..]

3:22 her mother died and her friend fainted from doing a line of her mums medication drugs but I guess she dosnt understand the pain of not having a girlfriend ??????

[@GV5]

It’s easy to say this because you literally play as Nicole, I’m sure Jeffery’s problems are a little more complex than that

[@stroheker1]

@@GV5 i mean he gets horrifically abused. in one of the paths you learn a bit about what they do to him and he got literally lynched at one point. they regularly call his mom to tell her he's dead and he gets the shit kicked out of him every day.

[@Scarlz-14..xx..]

@@GV5 erm what

[@Scarlz-14..xx..]

@@stroheker1 oh I didn’t know that

[@zippyfish]

this wasnt in the game when it first came out. the phone feature wasnt either, the text files were pasted directly on your desktop whenever you got an ending

[@Ambivalence18]

That’s cool!

[@BrockiusGigachadiusthe2nd]

thank you I've never seen this until today. fr appreciate it

[@idklol1233-u7z]

The way im both nicole and jeffery…jeffery in school and nicole off school

[@serioussilliness2064]

Yeah many people, maybe not most, have to deal with no one even pretending to gaf about them, then at certain hours at certain times, so many hounds just want to fkn slobber all over and get mad you don't want their body up in your personal space.

[@Iranoutofideasforachannelname]

Even with all the messed up shit Jeffery does, I still find it hard to hate him. Loneliness is one of the most mentally damaging things out there, and I find quite simple why he wouldn't understand what Nicole is talking about. Tf is wrong with me💀

[@idklol1233-u7z]

@@Iranoutofideasforachannelname i can relate a lot more to nicole. I don’t really relate to jeffery except in this scene

[@-M_-]

Do NOT act like these fools 💀🙏🏽

[@OddDumping]

@@Iranoutofideasforachannelnameand don’t forgot bullying

[@Pan_Z]

Two extreme ends of the spectrum coveting the other's life. Both downplay their blessings and ignore the other's hardship.

[@NinaYen-uu3qi]

Is he seriously comparing SA to loneliness

[@Florescentia02]

unfortunately a lot of people like him make that comparison

[@awkwardme6009]

I think the problem is that people like him genuinely think these kinds of interactions are positive for people who get assaulted. If youre deprived of all social interaction you would think any kind of attention is positive and therefore think women who call out SA are “attention seeking”. Not saying that way of thinking is correct bc ofc its not, but i think thats the general incel mindset

[@lemurpotatoes7988]

Loneliness is worse for people's health than smoking. Most men will happily risk their lives to try to find social support.

[@Florescentia02]

@@lemurpotatoes7988 yeah but SA is worse than both of those

[@lemurpotatoes7988]

@@Florescentia02 proof?

[@Random_Wierdo.]

Jeffrey is so desperate that he says he prefer to be surrounded by predators and being lonely. That speaks volumes.

[@nashwolf1731]

Jeffrey and Nicole are the opposites of each other with the main difference that Nicole has Jecka on her side along for the ride whereas Jeffrey has his hobbies.

[@Zapdos536]

I genuinely feel so bad for Jeffrey. Finally had something good going for him to lose that too.

[@gloomzplays]

Ew jeffery isnt worth any sympathy

[@Ambivalence18]

Thank you all for 10,000 views! I haven’t gotten this many in awhile!

[@MugenItami]

👽

[@InternetMonster1]

So many Jefferies and Nicholes in this comment section fighting with each other. Both genuinely believing their respective side is more significant than the other. Both using their personal experiences to justify their point. Both blaming each other for their situations. What is missed is that both sides were pushed to be at their worst, both are dealing with trauma of their own, both are never respected for what they want to be, both are never taken seriously be anyone. Both go out of their way to dwell on their struggles and take no responsibility for how they pull themselves down.

[@dariusbrown7870]

I was going to say your perspective is defined by who you see a part of yourself in most. I pity Nicole, but I pity Jeffery more due to me being partially jealous of his almost innocent and open minded attitude at certain points even if it’s just masked desperation for social acceptance, and mere thought of that makes me realize I’m a bit like both. Indulging vices to escape the possibility of change.

[@mao-sama6446]

1:00 and 1:08 These people don’t care about Nicole as a person. They just want to get into her pants. Nicole has never been able to form genuine relationships or bonds with anyone because of how people treat her.

[@MrDKDJ]

I’m not sure if I’m missing some important context here, but the dude is right on the money. You might have obsessed weirdos after you, just been let go from your job, or lost your family, but doing the wrong thing is still wrong. The guy had the courage to stand up to the two bullies, so it’s confusing to hear him wallowing in self pity. Everyone is privileged in ways they didn’t earn and disadvantage in ways they don’t deserve, so why make life harder for everyone?

[@candybot3858]

Jeffery (nerd boy) is shown throughout this game oversharing sexual thoughts , in one route took pics of black haired girl (nicole) in the locker room , and sends her concerning texts in every weird ending of this game. He's very weird and entitled, but also goes through crazy amounts of trauma in this game. Nicole also goes through shit while being horrifically mean and ruining lives , so this is just 2 selfish kids who go through shit who are almost the same but never realize it because they're both very shallow, it's sad tbh

[@MrDKDJ]

@@candybot3858 what’s the name of this game

[@candybot3858]

@@MrDKDJ class of 09! There are full playthroughs here on youtube

[@youtubesicka4636]

Jeffrey was right but was also wrong. This game shows the imperfections of reality, and it's entertaining because it's unhinged, and depressing with its written characters. Won't give too much spoilers though. The way you wrote this comment, I sorta assumed this is the first time you seen this game, but either way, check it out :)

[@serioussilliness2064]

out of context he often seems relatable, but he thrashes that relatability by being arguably the single worst character in the game.

[@MrTrigun1]

What was that and why did I watch it all

[@Ambivalence18]

It’s an insane game lol. Also I love Trigun!

[@doctorbean683]

That about summarizes my entire experience perfectly

[@Richard_Hitler]

Thats class of 09 for you lol

[@mrmoviemanic1]

Ironically this might be the only good ending of sorts where you leave pretty much two of the most broken people actually thinking about what they want to do next, not simply just them giving up cause they've ran into too much shit.

[@Nobody-hr4gt]

It's interesting isn't it. The way the creator of the game has been acting lately. He really thinks he's Nicole. But he had to have seen this scene, he's Jeffery's VA for Christ sake. Nicole acts the way she acts as a reaction to her environment. Shes not wrong for thinking all the men in the game are creeps. But what's the devs excuse? God isn't watching? The people around him are watching. And they think that he's just Jeffery pretending to be Nicole. Because he is.

[@CloverKyng]

Huh

[@Cund]

Corny comment

[@dariusbrown7870]

Nicole is who he wanted to be, but he can’t BE Nicole.

[@aaronboy1246]

That conversation was sad.

[@alex_ho]

Revisiting this again, I actually never picked up on how much Jeffrey is downplaying Nicole's issues And with Nicole those are very real problems yet to someone like Jeffrey, or most guys in fact, it all sounds like nothing but an exaggeration Honestly, if Jeffrey ever pretended to be a girl in an mmo he'd be surprised, and maybe gain some perspective on what Nicole goes through but without the safety of a computer screen

[@Cund]

It is an exaggeration because she doesn't do shit to stop it. There's women who suffer similarly and actually try to get help, but they can't because the world is unjust in their cases. Nicole hasn't even ATTEMPTED shit other than exploiting the people supposedly bothering her. And I understand there's women that don't attempt it either because of a multitude of reasons, such as their culture, a disability or phobia, the environment around them, etc. Although, the most common reason is that they're afraid of how others may react. They are genuinely scared and anxious Nicole is none of that.

[@alex_ho]

@@Cund I mean there's two things here, one you assume Nicole is entirely unbothered by the moves men make on her, which given her suicide ending I don't think she's nearly as infaliable as she portrays herself to be And two, regardless if she does or does not prevent these things from happening, that does not change the fact that *these things still happen,* like she can't help men becoming obsessed with her by meeting her, manipulating and exploiting these men is the only defense mechanism she knows and when she doesn't her routes end badly

[@Cund]

@@alex_ho she suicides because she's a sociopath, and in that ending she wasn't being true to herself, she felt empty and did not enjoy being nice to everyone. further proof she's just an asshole who tries to find a way to exploit anyone and everybody, except maybe jecka (but SBN3 screwed that up) not true, she's not ignorant, man, she's very self aware - responding to that last part. you guys gotta learn that nicole is legitimately the villain in class of 09, she can't help them but she can certainly try to stop them. but as it stands, she always takes the exploitation path instead of first trying the legal path. "when she doesn't her routes end badly" such as what route? in the route where she tries to exploit the coach to the extreme, she literally DIES and gets VIOLATED after DEATH!! She's not ignorant, she's SHORTSIGHTED

[@dariusbrown7870]

@@alex_ho I think the suicide ending is portrayed in a way that masks her taking everything it its extreme. She doesn’t HAVE to accept every invitation nor is she really obligated to. She’s just so jaded she can only see things in extremes as said in the convo with her mom where she asks what the alternative is and says her mom just wants her to be a pushover. The flaws with everyone else is so glaring I’m not surprised her mentality toward her self made “hostage friendships” is glossed over.

[@mr.l8723]

All the crap Jeffrey dealt with in his life, glad he finally stood up to her

[@gloomzplays]

Jeffery didnt deal with any crap. Maybe replay the game bc i think u missed some parts

[@paulekechukwu8481]

Mabey we will play as Jeffery in the future

[@nafsii04]

seeing what flipside couldve been knowing there are some reality-check moments like this in the og game feels insane

[@kraevorn7483]

Do you know what I just learned about this game in the last 30 minutes on KZbin and I gotta say good for Jeffrey for standing up for himself and calling them out What started off as accidentally discovering animatic videos on my recommendations… it has now led to this Because of Jeffrey I am definitely going to buy and play this game

[@gloomzplays]

After u finish playing the game you’ll realize what a disgusting creep jeffery is and that Nicole was right

[@wiserooster6476]

Its like eminem said “Theres a price to fame, its not cheap”

[@shimsokshim2995]

I'm gonna be honest: I don't know why Nicole thinks her experiences had anything to do with Jeffrey's point. It makes sense that your past and experiences can warp you, but if you are harming innocent who did nothing wrong to you, *you* are the bully, the abuser. And yes, these behaviors may be your projection and ingrained trauma response, but if we said that about the people who abused you and you believe us, would you give your abusers a pass? Do you see now what it is you are, no matter your reasons? And if you guys are curious, I am actually writing this from the perspective of someone who is like Nicole. I am not a sociopath, but I have given my shitty behaviors excuses all the time, and doing that only meant I left a trail like the people who first hurt me did. Just as I am not sympathizing with myself over this, I am not sympathizing with Nicole either. The only 'pass' I can give her is that she is 17 and has not figured things out yet, but by the time she is in her 20's, that does not work anymore.

[@juliagoetia]

You're a man honey, of course you don't understand. You talk like this is a vacuum sealed scenario and it's not. If playing the game doesn't get the point across, I don't know what will.

[@autobotfan11]

​@@juliagoetia😂😂 Being a woman doesn't justified you being morally bankrupt and bully.

[@konpeitojellie]

Nicole doesn’t see them as innocent though. They actively try to butt their way into her life, and the way she sees it they only want her for her body bc I mean it’s not like she’s had any other experiences

[@shimsokshim2995]

@@konpeitojellie I addressed her projection in my post. That does not make her actions right.

[@konpeitojellie]

@@shimsokshim2995 who said it makes her actions right? pretty sure the whole game goes “yeah she’s messed up”

[@Ashireenu]

She’s got a point lmao

[@Ambivalence18]

7/31/24 Update: Thank you all for 100,000 views on this video! We got there in just 3 months. You guys really amaze me.

[@s_callahan]

good ending: i become real in class of 09 and im a girl and i fix jeffery and date him and we kiss

[@LaCabraAsada]

Fuck fixing Nicole. I want to fix Jeffery

[@Ilikegames804]

Gentlewomen after playing flip side it has been determined he is too far gone. It's best you cut your losses and try again with someone else. Might I interest you with Trody?

[@matthewgeorge9051]

... huh

[@mao-sama6446]

I can’t take Jeffery calling Nicole out seriously. For one, Jeffery tried taking photos of Nicole in her underwear, and he’s in no position to be talking about moral actions, especially since all Nicole did was insult him to cause him to do that, which is more tamed compare to her more messed up actions. Secondly, assuming this is after the ending where Principle Lynn gets fired, Jeffery is more concerned about being valedictorian than fact that the teachers are pedophiles. And he thinks being sexually harassed is better than being lonely.

[@tezz2698]

Being sexually harassed is better than being lonely though. Few things are as miserable as being a truly lonely outcast with no friends.

[@gloomzplays]

@@tezz2698I can tell you’ve never been sexually harassed before

[@AaronMeade-gj9pl]

2:47 very good point Nicole moans about the wierd was of school but the moment someone's starts a normal conversation she freaks out

[@Unholy_Triforce]

Maybe because Jeffery was whining about his life moments before he tried to start a Normal conversation?

[@AaronMeade-gj9pl]

@@Unholy_Triforce it also shows jeffrey probem he blames others as well

[@RedCornix]

​@@Unholy_Triforcetrue, nicole was never a dick to people trying to have normal conversations with her. Never happened.

[@Unholy_Triforce]

@@RedCornix different situations and you know it. Again, Jeffery was whining about his life mere moments ago, berating them for being "socially spoiled", and then out of nowhere tries to start a normal conversation with people he was just lecturing. A rather different Case from Nicole being a dick to people as a default

[@RedCornix]

@@Unholy_Triforce Learn to read bud. My comment was clearly not referencing this conversation. My comment was referencing other conversations were people try to have normal conversations with her and she lashes out. Which is a frequent occurrence. Jeffrey is awkward and has terrible timing but is ultimately correct on that point. He may not understand that Nicole's response is far more justified here but her responses haven't been reasonable most of the time.

[@6girlypop6]

fucking masterpiece of a game

[@CursedMoistMan690]

Really want the graduation ending to be cannon SO bad, only ending where nicole actually got mental help....well its implied

[@xXWIRST_B1TEXx]

Comparing loneliness and SA is crazzyy jeffrey 😭

[@OliveOilFan]

A lot of men would want that instead of being lonely

[@popothegenie3035]

He's not comparing SA to loneliness, he's comparing having so much attention by people of the opposite sex to the point of it being creepy and a danger to you to being lonely. Also lets not act like he wasn't physically assaulted multiple times for just existing.

[@Unholy_Triforce]

​@@popothegenie3035 1. Nobody would want taht kind of attention knowing what others are expecting by giving it. Jeffery doesn't tale that seriously 2. Sexual Assault is very different from Physical assault, so I don't know why you even bothered mentioning that.

[@popothegenie3035]

@@Unholy_Triforce All I'm saying is Nicole gets a ton of unwanted attention and abuse because everyone wants to fuck her and Jeffrey gets a ton of unwanted attention and abuse because everyone hates him so of course he would rather be in Nicole's position.

[@Unholy_Triforce]

​@@popothegenie3035The only people who say they would want to be in that position are people who energy experienced it who don't think things through. That's why Nicole tried to explain exactly what kind of attention he'd be receiving. That sort of borderline stalker attention if soemthing no sane person would ever wat, even if they are lonely

[@ThumpingThromnambular]

hope she sees this bro

[@Ambivalence18]

@@ThumpingThromnambular who?

[@angelwzyt]

who

[@chipsalancienne3080]

yeah, who?

[@AJGexe]

Jeffery’s ignorance to Nicolle’s issues doesn’t begin to justify her actions. I don’t really care who has it worse… Jeffery can be saved.

[@Unholy_Triforce]

This scene wasn't meant to justify her actions. It's meant to show Jeffery that things aren't black and whote. All attention isn't good attention.

[@Gnxo]

​@@Unholy_Triforce You don't think Jeffery knows that? He gets beat up and picked on everyday, so much that he aired out the school in one of the endings-

[@hehhehhehheh-wn7zz]

Jeffery is the one who starts a school shooting in the route where Nicole even tries to help him out. Ya right, they're all horrible but the way they expect things from Nicole is gross. To think one is better than the other when comparing Nicole and Jeffery means you didn't understand the game.

[@hehhehhehheh-wn7zz]

​@@GnxoAnd you think Nicole is this careless bitch who has a choice, and Jeffery, who killed Nicole over his idea of a partner, the idea that when he found a pretty girl that talked to him, he pinned the idea too, to obsess over, is in the right? He didn't do anything in this route, but Jeffery in the over all canon is still an incel, and he was like this long before Nicole showed up

[@Unholy_Triforce]

@@Gnxo he clearly doesn't take that into account when ranting to Nicole in this scene. He's starightbup ignoring her experiences simply because the attention she receives wears a mask of kindness

[@JustSatori]

Everyone who wants a proper sequel where jeffery genuinely develops as a person (aka Class of '13) 👇

[@sk3tchinatortv]

They’re almost the same person lmfao

[@yasiegonlastie5483]

Is this a new scene? I like it a lot!

[@Mr.Mo_6]

Nah it’s an easter egg when you get every ending

[@clairehammar4841]

Honestly sympathized with Jeffrey here 😭

[@gloomzplays]

Oh!

[@czms922]

The only time this game is being serious

[@Vedyisthegoat]

I feel bad for jeffery tbh

[@jirairaikei]

man jeffery is relatable in this scene

[@purgeautomazero5599]

Jeffrey real for that

[@Iranoutofideasforachannelname]

If you take away every other fucked up thing Jeffery said or did, he is speaking facts right here

[@Real_AlmightyGMD]

@@Iranoutofideasforachannelnametbh tho, like every single character in this game are really fucked up

[@lilliauroura]

you guys are so stupid

[@N3rdzgummyclusterz]

hes comparing sexual assault to being lonely.

[@lilliauroura]

@@spiderham5514 did you even play the game

[@BonBon15159]

wait she does know she experienced being lonely in other schools

[@naturefan99]

dang so this is in virginia

[@MrAwesome457]

Jeffrey has a point. Nicole makes Judge Holden from Blood Meridian look like a damn puppy. If you don’t know who that is, look him up.

[@Ambivalence18]

idk if this is meant to be serious or not but this is the best comment i have ever gotten

[@maanhatt4733]

So in hating pedophiles, she is somehow worse than... a pedophile?

[@johnemmanuelbartholomew]

Okay, comparing Nicole to The Judge is WILD

[@CloverKyng]

Ok that’s a stretch

[@zarianON]

this makes me sad jeffrey deserves better

[@gloomzplays]

Ew no he doesn’t

[@zarianON]

@@gloomzplays dude this is coming from the point of view of a psychopath who has drugged, bullied, killed, blackmailed and lied

[@gloomzplays]

@@zarianON Jeffery took pics of her in her underwear and refused to delete them soo idrc how much nicole bullied him

[@zarianON]

@@gloomzplays good point be she has killed or been apart of death of another person

[@jaem0001]

can someone explain what backsync means

[@sk8rboy]

pretty sure it just rewinds the dialouge

[@x_weezer_x]

Vro it’s not secret isn’t it in a different game

[@Markm8]

2:17 real

[@Crepe30]

I literally cannot defend Jeffrey at this point

[@gloomzplays]

Why would u even try to defend him

[@marissfisch]

🗿