Class Picking Guide for Wrath of the Lich King Classic WoW

[@fullhallowichigo]

Watched the whole thing start to finish, incredibly well informed and put together video, This was nice to listen to while grinding in TBC, Shaman main for life, followed by Pally and mage. thanks for this!

[@gdjbchipy]

Timestamps: 4:31 Paladin 19:16 Druid 32:33 Warrior 43:56 Hunter 58:13 Shaman 1:13:11 Warlock 1:29:24 Death Knight 1:44:41 Priest 2:00:11 Rogue 2:09:36 Mage

[@iamatroll1545]

Tyvm

[@BookieHeretic]

Doing the Lords work my friend

[@angeljesus4800]

Bro, you deserve a place in the skies, ty so much

[@SkarrGaming]

@@okkj1878 Doing his job for him

[@GamingDualities]

hope blizzard changes Heirloms so they wont destroy low lvl PvP again

[@MidnightGeek99]

Anyone that does a quality 2 hours video deserves a big thumbs up, respect man!

[@TheTruDoc]

Listening to this while Playing TBC Classic. Got a peaceful tone with it. Big thumbs up.

[@alexmonroe8106]

When Classic WOTLK comes out I might actually get back into WoW again after leaving a month into SL. I started WoW in WOTLK, this will definitely be a trip down memory road. Gonna see about getting a Druid/DK/Paladin setup of who I mained throughout the expansion all the way to BFA 🥰

[@clintgolub1751]

After SL, Dragonflight was a breath of fresh air! I have tempered, but hopefully high hopes for War Within

[@orgasplosion]

This is a really well written and edited video. Thank you for making this !

[@Toyhouze]

Thank you, glad you enjoyed it!

[@dotValkyrie]

WOTLK really does feel like the peak point of WoW. Can't wait to progress the hunter that I started in Classic into WOTLK

[@Toyhouze]

It really does!

[@cain5483]

@@Toyhouze Hi, maybe you have a website with a guide to the paladina?

[@ANTERIORcs]

Hunter is gonna be so fucking fun in WoTLK. Can't wait!

[@scrublama1752]

@@ANTERIORcs can confirm, hunter is a blast

[@unafflictedgaming]

@@ANTERIORcs I remember back in wrath getting two shot by many a beast mastery hunter lol. Survival is nearly impossible for melee to kill also. They can't even get to you. I really like survival personally in wotlk. It's a very original and fun spec.

[@jeji4348]

2 hours, 20 minutes, 33 seconds. You already know I'm watching all of it.

[@Ellwinz]

Heck yeah brother

[@GamingDualities]

hope blizzard changes Heirloms so they wont destroy low lvl PvP again

[@jeji4348]

@@GamingDualities dunno I'm addicted anyway not much I can do 😂

[@brandonferguson1685]

Amazing content. Fantastic production. I am going to watch this a few dozen times before WOTLK comes out . Would love more videos like this . Thank you. 😊

[@JjN995]

The worse part about wrath is all classes feel sooo good to play you cant choose, class identity at it peak imo

[@sirpieman300]

simple... play them all!

[@andrewellisonlee]

Had 5 characters back in the day, they're all great.

[@Melodeath00]

WotLK is the expansion where all the classes who weren't working got band aid changes to make them work, despite the mechanics of the class still not working properly. Cata then fixed those changes by changing the mechanics aswell. WotLK classes still feel clunky to play, as if the entire foundation is about to fall apart at any second, while Cata classes actually feel like they are supposed to work this way. The exception for this are the 2 best designed classes in WotLK, Paladin and Hunter, which ironically are the two classes that got completely changed going into Cata. The only classes that were better in WotLK, are the two that got complete redesigns in Cata, while every other class, who simply built and improved on their WotLK counterparts, are significantly better in Cata.

[@lochvast1180]

I'm prolly going to play a hunter. Maybe MM, maybe Surv, definitely a BM spec for soloing. Also considering shadow priest, enh shaman, ret paladin, unholy DK, arms warrior, or maybe a mage. Jfc I can't actually decide.

[@ryandunn1528]

Yea I can't decided between a mage or a pally. I played mostly pally back when wrath came out and I would like to do that again but I also love my tbc mage

[@jjduc105]

This is a top notch and nicely edited video. I didn’t think I’d visit more than once, but I’m on my third rewatch already. Great work.

[@ombrix76owned]

I can’t believe i watched a 2 hours youtube video 😄 Thank you so much for this content, it was incredible usefull and nice to watch ! This 2 hours video saved me 10 hours or even more to check everything by myself 👏🏽 Thank you so much !!!

[@Toyhouze]

I'm so glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for leaving such an awesome comment. :)

[@Pulptenks]

I like this, feels less biased then other guys who has been starting to pump WotlK classic videos and more "Here's the classes, what they do, pick one, have fun!" while still giving a great explanation about them.

[@vasilije94]

Well some class specs won't be played or to be specific, won't be invited as much. That is reality of any WoW period and expansion.

[@Pulptenks]

@@vasilije94 That's not true. People said that for Vanilla, and again for TBC and the current proves the contrary. Again, you prove my point with your dumb theory.

[@vasilije94]

@@Pulptenks i am literally playing wotlk for like 10 years now. You can even check my channel if you dont believe me. I never said you cant play some spec, but if you for some reason decide to play survival hunter, you probably wont get invited in 90% of raids. That is a fact. I also play assassination rogue at the end game raid, as you can see in my videos, but trust me, it takes for ages for someone to invite you to do heroic stuff as assass rogue. Now you do what you want, i play assassination for fun. But lets be real. Its fair to say people upfront to be careful.

[@skankhunt446]

@@Pulptenks It was totaly true what was said about memespecs before the classic launch they sucked and got carried by the rest of the raid . Thats why most people in good guilds didnt inv retadins or oomkins . The only untrue thing was said about warriors at the start of tbc . Nobody will bring a frostmage too the raid if they guy also could play good pve specs like arcan or fire .

[@Pulptenks]

@@skankhunt446 Geared ret paladin were not so rare. Especially around AQ. It can be a valuable asset, especially when played by someone good with clutch. Balance druids were pretty bad for long fight too. So was Elemental but at least an elemental could bring totem. So that had a pass go more often. I ain't the biggest fanatic of vanilla I find TBC more lenient. It's all I'm saying and wrath is even more even lenient. Because the reality most guild want to gear up quickly and try to spread the loot. Unlike private servers who played vanilla / tbc / wrath for last 10-12 years. Like Sunwell for example who has been a tbc server for 6 years.

[@gougeafterbleedsxd1353]

2:05:55 thanks for adding my clip to your video

[@i-vanya7332]

noob

[@EmilAleksandrovv]

This is the best wow video I've ever watched. Well made 👏

[@nachgemacht_975]

As a main dk since day one, i def. will go back. I always held to dk, no matter what class came out, it won my hearth on day one and i never felt such a passion for a class.

[@o0Donuts0o]

Great video. You are one of the few guides that only has positives that makes me want to play each class and not feel like I should have chosen something else. You've earned a sub.

[@Toyhouze]

Wow thanks so much man, welcome to the team :)

[@JM-md4ri]

I played in wrath, the mount level reduction didn’t happen until cata was about to launch. I consider that more of a cata change. I distinctly remember level 30 and 60 mounts for the whole expansion

[@niken7978]

You're right, riding was changed to 20/40 in patch 3.2. A little over a year before Cataclysm was released.

[@RoxxSerm]

Exactly. Was in wrath, but relatively late. Wasn't dual specc also 3.1 or later?

[@boskimarian5917]

@@RoxxSerm yea, i think that was ulduar patch

[@RoxxSerm]

@@boskimarian5917 they definitely should bring some things right at the start. Like dual specc. But also fishing tournament, Acc bound shoulder and head enchant, flying for alts and so on.

[@boskimarian5917]

@@RoxxSerm i agree with the dual spec, but i haven't played that much of wotlk to make my opinion about the rest

[@Laureasairon]

An excellent video! Thank you for the detailed presentation of differences from TBC and for focusing on class/spec strong points, instead of nagging about which classes you won't be taking to raids!

[@Toyhouze]

Glad you enjoyed it! :)

[@Left_Hand_Path]

Can’t wait for it. I remember when Wrath first dropped, picking up a copy at a midnight release and playing until the following night, just leveling an unholy DK with my brother and friend. Such great memories.

[@Toyhouze]

That's awesome man, I can't wait too!

[@Zutang777]

I can’t wait to be a melee warrior again. Class fantasy is at its peak and content is at its highest in WOTLK I can’t wait

[@Kfo221]

Were you playing a ranged warrior?

[@draccuzhc7113]

Man, choosing a class in Wotlk is rough. I love playing Retri, but Shaman, Hunter and Druid looking so fun too damn.

[@zoulsgaming9455]

Upvoted the video due to being informative but specifically you picking places near animals when you talked about aspects, awesome editing man.

[@Toyhouze]

Thank you man, I'm glad you liked that part :)

[@donwooss]

I didn’t know what to play for Wrath. I watched it all. Now i wanna play all classes. Thanks Toyhouze! :P

[@Toyhouze]

Haha no problem xD

[@Texas_Sel]

@@Toyhouze hello and many thanks for this video You done amazing job.. but I would like to ask u something. Do u know if at the wotlk expansion can you change your profile player .?? For example if someone wanna change hair style etc to his player … can he do that at the wotlk expansion ?? Thank u for your time!!

[@wannesvanneuville6091]

@@Texas_Sel yes the barber was added in wotlk

[@unafflictedgaming]

considering we have heirlooms now I'm probably going to boost one toon and level two others atleast. Probably gonna level my Warlock and hunter and boost a shaman :D

[@unafflictedgaming]

combat rogue was pretty juicy too tho. I played that in original wrath. you could "one shot" people with good pve gear using kill spree lmao so much fun

[@RandomGuy010]

I played pretty much every class and spec back in the day. Paladin and Death Knight tanks were ridiculous. I could easily solo heroic dungeons with them. Druid tanks are hilarious in that you can basically walk through a dungeon or a raid just mashing one button and it'll work. Definitely the simplest role when everybody is doing well. They're more fun to play when somebody messes up and you have to bring out your cool Druid utility spells.

[@blackfalcon1324]

honestly, the removal of downranking spells makes me want to heal again. While I like the decision making of 'which spell do I use in this situation', down ranking is not only too min maxy, but it also feels bad to not even be able to use max ranks of spells.

[@shakoforever9459]

Decent video. Main criticism is that you say a version of "this is very very nice" to basically everything. This becomes extra apparent when listening at increased speed :P

[@lochvast1180]

Excellent video my man more fuel for the Wrath hype train baby

[@doctordemento965]

Wrath was blizzard's pinnacle moment and probably one of the best mmo's even to this day you will play. A few words of warning to take as you will... 1. If you don't like messing with rune management, playing a DK is not all it's cracked up to be. He stated it in the video and it's a fact. DKs are also the epitome of "hard to master" and 3.35 was their nerfed state. I would highly suggest them as alts... but as a main... many people dropped them over the clunky rune system. 2. EMFH caused a lot of pvpers to reroll... then they regretted it. Unless ALL you are planning on doing is arena... I would not pick it and even then... if you are a creative pvper... some racials offer better offensive game play. 3. Do not "min/max" your professions. Pick professions that benefit your class and you can make at least some gold from. JC requires a mining alt and engineering is a straight up money sink. Consider ALL benefits you get from professions... even passive ones... and you will find that JC/ENG are good... but they are literally only very minimally better than professions that will put a money stream in your pocket along with other benefits. Don't be a sheep.

[@JamesLeeHughes]

umm... Eng/Jc Is literaly BIS for going for LOD

[@davidrockefeller2007]

Great advice thank you! I was wondering about the rune management and wasn’t sure if it was incredibly hard to work with or if I just needed to watch more videos to understand how to min/max things.

[@ECKtrain]

I plan on taking tailoring or enchanting, then maybe rolling engineering if I roll alts that can make me money. I want northrend flying quickly, and I’m playing on a fresh server.

[@ECKtrain]

@@JamesLeeHughes I think that op meant that of you aren’t an insanely high-end raider, you don’t need it and should take something that can make you more money.

[@Melodeath00]

DKs aren't really that hard to master. The rune system is like the PoE talent tree, it looks daunting when you first try it, but once you get a couple of hours of gameplay in, it becomes really easy and obvious. Unholy is one of the easier PvE specs in WotLK, as it's one of the few that still has a completely static rotation with no procs or changes, only a strict order in which to use your spells. Frost is a bit more complicated, but it's still an easy priority system with 1 proc to react to. The hardest part about playing Frost is making sure you don't overcap Runic Power... Specs that are actually hard to master would be things like Shadow Priest, Demo/Aff Lock, Feral and Enhancement. All of those specs will have a MUCH bigger gap between good and mediocre players than any DK spec. This is all from a PvE perspective. As for professions: Engi is the cheapest profession to level up. You can buy all the mats from the AH without breaking the bank, and JC is a good moneymaker without Mining. Also, don't have Mining on your raiding main. It was like this in TBC aswell, where mains would have things like BS for the weapons, Enchaning/JC for the stat boosts or LW for the drums, but in WotLK, all crafting professions gets a noticeable stat boost compareable to the famous JC only big gems. Having a gathering profession on your main is just trolling at this point, and will remain so until crafting profession stat perks got removed in WoD or something.

[@Azsunes]

Half way through WotLK is when I switched from Mage to Paladin main as my guild only had 1 paladin and he was prot. It was hard to recruit a holy as they were in high demand and after TBC a lot switched to other classes. My first raid every boss dropped plate healing gear, I went from leveling greens to every slot epic. From then on they became my favorite healer to play. Also can't wait for downranking to be removed. I started in WoW Closed Beta. Played most of Vanilla but quit for a few months in the middle was a high school kid. Played all of TBC and never did Sunwell as my guild said we got war glaives so we already beat the expansion and said see you in next expansion. Planning on doing Sunwell now. WotLK will be the first expansion that I did all content in without me looking to complete something I wish I did back in the day...

[@fatmitch1421]

I developed love/hate relationship with my enhancement shaman. WF procs sometimes like to troll me but when everything clicks together its so much satisfacion to deal great dmg and buff your party with totems and BL.

[@poppadave3710]

I was on a small server called Arathor, and we were Horde back then.. Outnumbered by a long shot. During wintergrasp we would go just to see this Ele shaman multiboxer. Loka Lokka Lokkka and Lokkkka would one shot like waves of alliance with chain lightning because we had that buff due to our lower numbers. It was insane we always had WG. So much fun back in the day.

[@speeddemon941]

Hilarious, I’m still playing on Arathor from since wotlk 😂

[@jonjones6763]

I remember looking up to the Halcyon raiding guild on Arathor Alliance :) Good times

[@SitusCoats]

I was in Crusaders of Honor during that time, Mystical Odour now. Good memories!

[@speeddemon941]

Yeah I remember Halcyon. I was in the #2 raiding guild at the time, I don’t remember the name now. Halcyon were a big leap ahead of us though

[@poppadave3710]

@@speeddemon941 it was so long ago, I was in Legacy and Blood Pack of Azeroth for a while. Didn't do many heroic modes, but it was a lot of fun.

[@Daisudori]

Surv hunter in Wotlk is one of the most fun specs in wow ever to me

[@peter-8483]

100 agreed, I freaking loved survival in wotlk, I miss that spec so much

[@MacGregor3]

im 32 years old, I played wrath already, but still watching this video makes me all fuzzy inside

[@kevinesco5221]

Mate you put all class in one video...i bow before your effort you truly deserve minimum 200k subs

[@lizm2808]

ooOoo TOYHOUZE! loving the new style!! brilliant stuff

[@camdon5112]

For Prot Paladins, it's worth noting that Hammer of the Righteous (final prot talent) and avenger's shield count as a single target attack for the purposes of Seal of Command, meaning each hit of each will cleave 2 additional targets For Priest you can do /cast [@focus] Mind Sear and focus target the tank to be able to easily AOE once threat is established AND make sure you're hitting all targets (because it doesnt damage the primary target if it's an enemy)

[@Hugh_Jainus]

This video is incredible, and much appreciated.

[@Sniper2sword]

Nice video and good editing. I’m already rolling pally but I just like vids like these

[@dmitrynorth2506]

Good video! MadSeason vibes

[@comfortb4style565]

This is really well done. Tysm, Toyhouze!

[@Tehstampede]

Playing Rogue and Paladin was so much fun in Wrath. I remember just popping Cold Blood and running around with an iceball in my left hand just because

[@videos8159]

Fell in love with my arcan mage in tbc. Fire might be better but I still will play it in wotlk

[@Toyhouze]

Nice man, great choice

[@girthbrooks9138]

Well done m8. Love listening to vids and podcasts like these about classic while I work. So far this is my favorite for sure. Definitely gonna sub 🤝🏻

[@ralecgos3631]

You put a lot of work into this. Good vid! Thanks!

[@Nick-jp8ux]

Thank you for making such a good video

[@FilthyGreen]

Good stuff, look forward to more of your videos!

[@darklordinateur]

PHD (Paladin/Hunter/DK) was literally the second best comp after RMP in arena in S5 and S8 if I remember correctly and was pretty good in S6 and S7 still so MM Hunter is definitely insanely good for Arena. Also very good in Duels

[@WiseFool888]

You made every class seem dope its gonna be hard to choose.

[@Mufireael]

Great class picking guide, really enjoyed that. 41:04 - That immune made me laugh. xd

[@Toyhouze]

Glad you enjoyed! That was pretty funny lol

[@tribbybueno]

leveling a prot pally in tbc rn in preparation to be an actual god in wotlk. i'm soooooo excited

[@skar4276]

What an absolutely amazing video! Thank you man, really hyping me up for wrath

[@Toyhouze]

Glad you enjoyed it :)

[@CptSlow89]

Playing on Warmane/Molten since 2009, still my favourite 3 classes: Hunter, Mage and Rogue. Really nice gameplay in pvp. Locks are also fun but harder to master.

[@anthonyzarfati3579]

So you have been playing wrath for that long?

[@CptSlow89]

@@anthonyzarfati3579 Yes, and Im still playing from time to time.

[@Percival-ig2ye]

great video for boning up on class knowledge to gain a competitive edge in PvP!

[@milenkapitanov8464]

Playing Storm Peaks song was the best choice! ❤

[@Alijamaru]

Great video, can't wait for Wrath Classic

[@hakonatli]

Just love this video! Great job, friend :)

[@Toyhouze]

Thank you so much!

[@evanmildrum897]

I don’t even know why I’m watching this video. I already know I’m going to play dk since that’s what I played when I was kid. But super informative and interesting video and it’s fun to see the appeals of the other classes

[@user-iq5xw2xh4z]

Really fantastic video, well done. One complaint though, you really sold every single class during their introduction so I still have no idea what I want to play lol.

[@bezcisla]

For 13 years i played Mage as main. In additional I had all other classes, but Mage was my prime. Then... ... DEMON HUNTERS COME :) DH is absolutly great wow character.

[@Bellevue_hc]

you make some great videos man! subbed with the bells from now on!

[@energyoneeighty2887]

I enjoy listening to this while I level waiting for wrath.

[@Tetter.]

Great Video! Well Done!

[@lukeker8218]

Good vid lots of information, would loved to have seen every classes rotations though

[@Kikeron]

Very well prepared, nice voice with no hysterical bs. You gained a thumbs up and a sub from me. GJ

[@kingpuff10]

This is a fantastic video, well done!

[@Toyhouze]

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!

[@zedaz1067]

Im going back to where I started many many years ago. The one and only REAL survival hunter. Damn i cant wait. Im so excited

[@caerdwyn7467]

As a Tauren restoration druid in Wrath, I concentrated less on spellpower/Intellect and heavily on Spirit. I *never* ran out of mana as a healer, even with an occasional panic-heal. Innervate would be available before I ran out of mana every time, with a potion to top off mana as needed (I wouldn't need mana potions more often than the potion cooldown). Lather-rinse-repeat. The heal-per-second wasn't quite as high as those who were all about Spellpower (probably about 90% of optimum), but it was always there. Resto droods rocked. It was good to be a tree.

[@jgakpp]

Awesome video man, it's obvious that you put a lot of work into this. I've been playing since vanilla but this is still awesome to have. Leveling a lock right now, never mained one before. :D Liked and subscribed. Thanks :)

[@aaronh.917]

Amazing video. Thanks for the detailed walkthrough!

[@gamingsanctity6990]

Great video, very detailed!

[@Sully-xw9iu]

finally, i can actually get into a raid as a ret paladin

[@37Kilo2]

I'm overwhelmed... Wrath is my favorite expansion. I had so much fun playing this 12-13 years ago. I can't decide what class to main, but I'm leaning towards Pally. I was an althoholic starting in Wrath because every class was so much fun and viable.

[@37Kilo2]

Or maybe Warrior... Edit: Hm. Possibly Shaman... Edit 2: I also loved DK... Edit 3: Priest? Edit 4: Halp! Too difficult to choose!

[@nickkuhlmann2446]

Never played a melee…. Really want to dive in and play DK. Would ideally like to run frost (hate pet management with unholy). Kind of nervous about skill gap with it? Either way for sure going to give it a shot! Great vid!

[@robbipoo]

Watching this reminded me why I main Ret pally 😅

[@villmsmusic]

Sold me in DK. Can’t wait

[@lxbuddyb419xl]

Love the detail! Thanks!

[@sergefighter6607]

Thanks for the quality content! I kindly ask you to make a video about the strongest pvp class 1v1 in WOTLK. I am sure that most players will also want to see such a tier list, especially from you.

[@Toyhouze]

Thank you! And thanks for the idea!

[@sergefighter6607]

@@Toyhouze A video like this would be very helpful. Let's say that all the characters will be in the same gear and with the same level of skill. Which of them, in your opinion, is more likely to survive in WOTLK world pvp? Thanks a lot.

[@francescoschiavone9240]

top quality video, awesome !

[@ECKtrain]

I’m just going to pick a class that isn’t played much, ideally a healer or tank, to get into groups when I need to.

[@Toyhouze]

Excellent idea sir!

[@ailig0001]

very nice guide! but now i wanna play all of the classes ^^

[@Toyhouze]

haha thank you! Same here :D

[@SelsDivinorum]

great vid, subbed to see the next one!

[@jiriki1188]

Solid content, thanks!

[@Toyhouze]

Glad you enjoyed it! Don't forget to like and subscribe!

[@Kendomendo]

watching this made me want to play them all :D

[@nordhazengamzz6017]

very nice, great success

[@viciousbeauty]

I would play this just to experience Frost tanking again. Frost tanking was the best! They need to bring it back!!

[@BundyBro]

Im kinda shocked you didnt say much about disengage for hunters. Its kind of an amazing change for them going forward.

[@flashUlter]

I expect that when not madseason will do a class guide for wotlk some one else will do good video mate

[@thooperhero]

Fantastic video ! So informative !! Thank you 🏆

[@Toyhouze]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@germansausage7310]

Honestly. After watching this. I literally started a Paladin tank. I am a Warrior tank since like forever but god damn. Paladin looks so fun I Wrath!

[@thejoshumitsu]

I started WoW in TBC and didn't realize how good WOTLK was in terms of class improvements and rebalance. Can't wait to stay there "forever".

[@thejoshumitsu]

@Kairi Amane "Somewhere" I heard that Ulduar is the all-times best raid ever made.😅

[@StormEarthFire]

Awww yeah loving it dude keep it up 🤘

[@ShaddyzZz]

1:47 - No, you still had to form groups and get to the dungeon. RDF wasn't introduced until Cataclysm pre-patch.

[@turionb1408]

awesome work. thanks

[@Toyhouze]

I appreciate it!

[@AhnQiraji]

Very nice vid, full of info and no time wasted! Also like the witty comments here and there! :P

[@Norsedadgaming]

You failed to mention the biggest buff to rogue and the only reason Rogues are able to play assassination in raids, the fact that Envenom no longer consumes deadly poison stacks on the target when used because of the talent Master Poisoner. And now has an increased chance to apply Instant Poison per CP used on Envenom. It's by far the biggest buff to rogue in general.

[@Zoltri]

I know this videos a lot of work, but I feel it really lacks showing any meaningful detail on how the specs will play in practice. I think commentary on how the TBC playstyle compares to Wrath and a basic overview of their rotation or gameplay would be pretty helpful rather then just reading talents and new spells without any real input on how it all comes together. :)

[@Toyhouze]

Thanks for the feedback brother

[@Toyhouze]

Thanks for the feedback brother

[@ac833]

It's going to be interesting to see which classes/specs will be in demand. If we've learned anything it's that private server data can't be trusted.

[@brandonkruse6412]

In the case of Wrath, it definitely can. Wrath private servers are accurate to retail, very active and the expansion meta has been perfected through Warmane’s most knowledgeable players. There’s likely not going to many surprises in Wrath Classic.

[@ac833]

@@brandonkruse6412 so were tbcs for thr most part but the players themselves are trash

[@brandonkruse6412]

@@ac833 tbc private servers have always been dead, less active players means less data we have to pull from.

[@ac833]

@@brandonkruse6412 and lower skilled than their retail counterparts

[@brandonkruse6412]

@@ac833 That doesn’t really make much sense - WoW isn’t a game that takes “skill” rather knowledge of a class and boss, class optimization and boss mechanics. You could say that classes became watered down in retail and gear/stat optimization became easier with more sources of loot and reforging of stats. Older iterations of the game required *way* more work in grinding levels, rep and raids for gear. If you wanted the best gear for your class, you had to often wait weeks for a single piece. 277 melee trinkets in wrath such DBW and STS are.. well.. good luck getting them. They’ll always be on reserve. but none of that really matters. WoW at a fundamental level has always been easy if you put a little effort in.

[@MildSe7enX]

Good video, but u forgot about "Permafrost" Frost Mage talent improved. In WOTLK it reduces healing, which chill targets recieve, 20% as I remember

[@CptSlow89]

Fire mage, probably the most fun pvp class to play in all wrath. Nice spells like blast wave and dragon breath... Too bad they are squishy, if they had some sort of shield like ice barrier they would be much easier and better in pvp.

[@stillnotchill2560]

Destruction lock way cooler