Cleaned coins grading results! Can you avoid details grades?

[@rockysramblings]

Original Submission Video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/n2KlpKyJn7mYoa8si=JXU-0im47fuk0AUe

[@Chucka10]

PCGS is flaky lately IMO. NGC a decent consistent grader. If you wanted to see something that would be of extreme interest, instead of sending to PCGS, make a submission to CACG! Crack a few of them out of ANACS and send them.

[@coloradocoinhunter6475]

Nice coins bro 👍🏻

[@raymondbrown940]

Finally! Someone with some sanity around the "Cleaning" designation. When you said that you don't think cleaning should be designated unless it shows, I almost cheered out loud. Nice video, Sir!

[@rockysramblings]

Haha! Thank you!

[@LenHere]

I would like to see the same experiment on raw coins (not previously packaged) and sent into PCGS and NGC.

[@rockysramblings]

I went with the proofs because my assumption is that if cleaning will be detected then it’s gonna be most evident on a proof coin. I am going to do some variation of this with PCGS as well. Maybe NGC down the road

[@jasonkav]

@@rockysramblingsyeah I doubt you could pull this off with NGC

[@wulfgar9119]

Absolutely... PCGS or NGC will catch it if you clean your coins. It never fails!

[@johnheinze5503]

I think the most telling comparison would be to break out the contol group including the 1/2 with the milk spot, and break out just the cleaned EZest group. Those should be enough for an accurate realistic comparison. Thank you for your expense and work, you are making a great breakthrough in the understanding of the numismatic hobby!

[@rockysramblings]

Thank you!

[@mrparrehesian1742]

Rocky 8 years ago I sent in a coin done with acetone, a multiple thousand dollar coin and it came back 1 grade higher putting it in top pop at NGC. Good video and your view on things is excellent.

[@rockysramblings]

Nice! I love hearing that! Thanks for watching

[@Keen_Collector]

Brother, I applaud you for making these videos. I know you spend so much in each video and spend more time. With that being said, you have my 👍🏾 and subscription. Thank you!

[@rockysramblings]

Thanks for watching!

[@jimmajr9224]

that is encouraging! thank you for making this video!

[@rockysramblings]

Thank you for watching

[@willb2664]

I have used acetone to clean coins, and I have dipped coins(quick dipped) that I have had graded by PCGS with no problems. After all, NGC and PCGS call it coin restoration when they do it.

[@rockysramblings]

The key words there are “when they do it” lol They just want to encourage people to have them do it

[@Indigone_Demon]

I recently cracked a details coin (very, very minor wheel mark) from PCGS and sent it to ANACS. I had it at a 64 details with the wheel mark and ANACS sent it back as a MS62. I'll take the net grade on a market acceptable coin any day. Edit: I dip everything I send in for grading in acetone to make sure there is no PVC residue. I also sent some clad to ANACS after using MS70 recently and they all straight graded as well.

[@rockysramblings]

I sent in a details cleaned Morgan from PCGS to ANACS and it was sent back to me MS62DMPL. Now I want to double check all my PCGS details coins lol

[@sinesaii]

So ANACS cannot be trusted? Is that the lesson?

[@MAGA_Extremist]

New subscriber here I love this type of stuff

[@rockysramblings]

Great! Thank you! Trump2024!

[@redrider8036]

Love the video! Thanks for taking the time to show us the way!

[@b-man1232]

Awesome experiment!!! I love ANACS Holders and their customer Service is A+. I wish the industry wasn't so hung-up on NGC and PCGS!

[@rockysramblings]

I agree 100%!

[@philipraimondo]

MS70 is great and you confirmed that… Thanks. I have not had any luck with copper and any of the products. I just stay away from dipping copper.

[@cliffmickelson9444]

Try soaking a few tarnished pennies for 5 minutes in white vinegar and then, before rinsing, rub lightly with a wet baking soda paste. Works very well and does not scratch the coins.

[@kevingalusha2210]

Thanks for the follow up! It was well worth the wait!

[@rockysramblings]

Thanks for watching!

[@Kenlydford]

I agree send some in, I’d be curious to see any fluctuations in grade.

[@gt-ehcobra997]

Awesome video, clarity to this issue is much appreciated, I'm a novice still just hoarding coins... 😂

[@ThatDashingDasher]

I think the best way to do this test is to send in a proof set uncleaned and a circulation set uncleaned to PCGS. Another uncleaned proof and circulated set to ANACS and another uncleaned proof and circulated set to GCS. Get them back. Notate the grades. Clean and resubmit all the same sets again. Then analyze your results. This would be a very small sample size. For a proper test you would need a lot more submissions.

[@shawnaldrich9168]

Agreed, there could be numerous testing scenarios , to what end? An investment group for such information would make myself a confident participant.

[@gen7sw]

A couple years ago I saw an article on NGC's website by a person that did restorations for them. They came out and said that they used MS-70 and other chemicals in this process. More recently I've had a friend that also does restorations that has a coin shop. And I believe he does them for NGC but what he told me is that they have a machine which will blow air across the coin and sense whether it has any residue on it. Typically that's the first thing they do and if it does have residue then it will get a details grade. This residue can include even fluoride that's in tap water. So after that they proceed to use whatever chemicals they determine are required for that particular coin but before they ship it back in a new holder they thoroughly wash it in distilled water. So I would suggest using distilled water as the last stage in your process and make sure that a soft cloth is used to dry the coin so it doesn't have any spots.

[@rockysramblings]

That’s interesting. I don’t have city water. I actually have a cistern. So maybe that’s why my rinsing hasn’t caused issues. Someone told me a long time ago that they rinsed their coin and received a details grade so that could be why. When I rinse I rinse for quite some time.

[@randallmarsh446]

I would think that if using ditilled water the final rimnse would create a perfect enviroment for oxidation on any metal surface. i would be wanting more along the line of preservation of the coin superceding as long a there is no damage done to the quality of the coin. Any comments?mabey using a thin light oil or wax petroleum based to prevent corrosion ..any comments?

[@AnxiousStacker]

Thats seriously awesome stuff. I just assumed that if you put anything on it theyd be able to tell. I heard of a guy getting the restoration from the company (cant remember which) grading it and they graded it details cleaned

[@rockysramblings]

I had someone leave a comment that that happened to them too. I tried PCGS restoration service as well and made a video about that. I think it was about a month ago

[@gilsgriddleandgrill]

Are the best videos I’ve seen in a long time about cleaning coins. Thanks for posting I’m a new sub!!

[@rockysramblings]

Thank you! Glad you enjoy it!

[@TheRealWarez]

Thank you for posting the results! If I wasn't poor, I'd offer to donate some $ towards breaking them out and sending to PCGS. Like you said, that is the most valid way to do it. No new control needed as you already have one. Funny though... I don't own a single graded coin.

[@rockysramblings]

Thanks for watching. I don’t need any contributions but I appreciate it! Just like and comment and it helps the algorithm push the video. Thank you!

[@rodgriffee3670]

I think your proof of concept is good enough

[@bajancanadian4231]

A clean coin is a clean coin. To me it's all the more impressive if a coin can be circulated, cleaned and be as clean as uncirculated. The history of the coin and the pockets it's passed through is what interests me.

[@jeffw1267]

I'm a big fan of ANACS because I'm an error collector, and most errors come in ANACS slabs, but I don't trust them on high-graded coins, like 65 and above. They do a decent job on circulated coins but tend to straight-grade obviously cleaned coins more often than does PCGS or NGC.

[@rockysramblings]

I’ve sent in about 50 or more coins so far. I feel their grading is pretty comparative to PCGS. I have gotten some details grades as well, but not on these coins or any coins I have cleaned myself. The details came on other coins I thought were polishing marks. I have 240 coins graded by PCGS and I think it’s really comparable as far as the grading goes. But that’s just my experience. Maybe it’s been different with you.

[@Rick.K68]

You Sir are giving away the dealer secrets, there are so many "dipped" coins in dealers cases. Put a dealer in cuffs and inspect his or her shop and you will find cleaners.PCGS guards it's collectors' and resellers, with their price guide.

[@rockysramblings]

People told me PCGS protects the “big guys” a while back but I kinda took it as conspiratorial, but after my experience with them I don’t doubt it one bit. You can even see their own pictures on the app and compare them. Some lower grades look way better than the high grades and you gotta just scratch your head and ask how?

[@MarkBryan-tw5fq]

​@@rockysramblingsI think I would call it hypocrisy! That's why I don't trust coin graders! They want to control how much money you make! I'll bet the big moneychanger banks like the Federal Reserve came up with this numismatic 🐂 💩!! I'm so used to seein' gold 🪙 and silver 🥈 dipped and cleaned in TV commercials! It all changed in 1986! I call it numismatic 🐂💩!! Period!

[@DarrenAdell]

Thank you for this very informative video. And, the money you invested for this test. Good luck in the future.

[@rockysramblings]

Thank you for watching!

[@morgansinner]

Great video my man 😅 Been excited to watch this since the "cleaning" video ! I know guys that have submitted the same morgans a few times to pcgs that came back DETAILS, until it didn't and was finally straight graded 😮 Did it suddenly become uncleaned ?.., of course not ! ANACS now, ANACS tomorrow!

[@rockysramblings]

I just got a PCGS graded details back from ANACS. ANACS gave me MS62DMPL! Quite the difference. Big difference in price as well!

[@southerncoinhunter]

Would like to see the results on circulated pennies

[@michaelstein4295]

The DID become UNcleaned🤣🤣 lol... Perfectly added comment🤣. Maybe (just maybe 😌) someone 'different' at PCGS looked at it/them the last time🤔... again.... maybe😌

[@morgansinner]

@@michaelstein4295 😄🤗

[@murrcenare3912]

Dude, love your videos. That being said...Eee-Zee-Est! Every time you say Eee-zest my eye twitches.

[@rockysramblings]

Haha sorry man! I’m sticking with it. Can’t teach an old dog new tricks 🐶

[@thatoneguy7191]

4:31 That's an interesting looking 'Kennedy' ya got there xD

[@rockysramblings]

Oopsie! 🥴

[@1011Shke]

Just caught this. Great video, good job. I would use new set, clean cent and nickel with acetone or MS70, as they got best grades. Do silver with Ezest. Send them and see what happens. Good luck, I'm doing this to some Morgans that are in PCGS holders, non graded, just a bulk batch of brilliant uncirculated and I rhink if I use MS 70 on them they'll come back MS 60 or above. I'm learning, a little new to the cleaning/grading game but willing to pay a little to learn. Hope to see your results.

[@rockysramblings]

Since I did this I have sent in several Morgan’s to ANACS and used ms70 on them. They all came back graded without details. Good luck with yours!

[@1011Shke]

​@rockysramblings 👍🏻 I'll send u a couple pics later. The pcgs slabs are non graded, no serial numbers (have never seen that), just say brilliant uncirculated but these Morgans don't look BU to me. MS70 to the rescue. I've also got an AU58 I may crack out and try. I was going to NGC as all I've seen people are not teusting/liking pcgs much lately, but after ur video I may join anacs and go there. Thx !!

[@davycrockett4395]

Honestly the nickel you cleaned twice i couldn't tell from my view. You did a hell of a job!

[@rockysramblings]

Thank you!

[@DJbabynoneck]

Crack them. I would only send the highest grade of each denomination that were"cleaned". I doubt they'll come back details. Dipping is market acceptable.

[@don951]

You are allowed to properly conserve coins. An improperly conserved coin is a "Cleaned" coin. Not surprised that the Ezest proof silver coins did so well as that is where that product really does such a great job. Dipping is totally acceptable when done right. Loved the experiment. Cheers!

[@rockysramblings]

I was surprised the EZest copper passed tho. EZest scares me

[@don951]

@@rockysramblings Agree. Great for silver, but copper is risky for sure.

[@jayburkhart1800]

I watched both of your videos and I want to thank you very much you have proven a lot to me today. Well done I would say tries a couple of coins that are very dirty but I think I’ll try that myself thank you

[@rockysramblings]

Thank you for watching! I did clean a very dirty one but it didn’t come completely off. Sent it to ANACS and they graded it. I have damaged some Indian heads by letting them soak in MS70 overnight. Took away all the corrosion and weak metal so it ended up looking worse.

[@TobaccoRowe1960]

Nickels are tough LOL Man I am super loving this video, it says everything I've been telling people for four years is true. Multiple arguments with coin collectors. You can clean a coin as long as you abide by PGCS rules 92 and 94. To the average person I laugh and wish them luck. Pay a little extra and get REMBRANDT, just so you can't mess up you know.

[@williamguirl7735]

Interesting; would like to see same video with coins cleaned with the different chemicals to ngc & pcgs.

[@Mister_T_from_Erie_P]

I dipped a 1936 German silver coin in EZ-EST. I sent it in to NGC for grading. It came back AU53.

[@ntime2095]

Watch on 1.75 speed. You're welcome

[@coachbriantrains]

Thank you! lol

[@davidvandebrake8454]

I love anacs . They give you a grade no matter what and that's what ur paying for over all is a grade . I've sent cleaned coins to pcgs and got a good grade I used sliver cleaner for jewelry.

[@edwinsandel7438]

I would send in New coins rather than taking a loss on the ANCS ones. I wish we could establish a ruling that ANCS is just as good as PCGS for selling the coins. since the grade and reputation of the grading companies makes a difference.

[@rockysramblings]

Personally I like ANACS far more than PCGS. I’m gonna make a comparison video at some point.

[@shawnaldrich9168]

I would very much savor the data that it would produce for myself and all collector's, although the cost to yourself would be a burden, the result's would be well respected.

[@daledoback1716]

I used ez est on some BU copper Canadian cents and it totally ruined them. I dipped them for 5 seconds and washed with distilled water and got a artificial tone look when it was dry. I tried an acetone bath after that but it didn’t help, also the color was way off before it dried with the artificial toned look. The ez est worked great on my silver but I will never use it on any thing other than silver or gold.

[@rockysramblings]

I was completely shocked that my eZest penny passed the test. It changed the color so drastically I never thought it would pass. I wouldn’t recommend eZest for pennies. My preferred cleaner is MS70

[@MrStubob2]

Pennies should be soaked in olive oil for a few months then lightly roll a Q tip over the coin to removed any dirt! The color will not be effected!!!! !!!!!!

[@ChristopherHolbrook-i4u]

It helped me make my decision, on what product to use when cleaning a coin. I would like to seeing you actually use coins out of a piggy bank or morality of a store cash register something with a little more dirt and grime and I'm sure you know what I mean but thanks thanks for your editorial

[@rockysramblings]

If it helps, I’ve sent in some more circulated coins. I didn’t get details on them either. Just don’t get too aggressive. My personal favorite is the MS70 cleaner.

[@followedd]

Greetings. Awesome job! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@bradmalone2541]

Hopefully you have already sent your selected coins to PCGS, but I would break out the coins from the ANAC cases to eliminate a variance in the coins. Have PCGS grade the same coin. Thank for the enlightening video.

[@rockysramblings]

Yup. If I send them with the case I worry that would just encourage the grader to go with what is stated. I’d rather them think it hasn’t been graded before

[@cland9189]

Trust me, the graders are expecting pretty much every coin to have been already graded at this day and age.

[@broncofinder1674]

Awesome job dude great video.

[@rockysramblings]

Thanks!

[@matthewbyrns-sp8lb]

As a kid in the 60s , everyone cleaned their coins

[@TobaccoRowe1960]

I have no Ezest, but if I did I would probably apply it with a toothbrush. I did my best to fix a few coins that were Ezest Over Dipped. It's like trying to sweep the surface of the moon with a broom.

[@donaldjones3580]

What about circulated coins? I clean some coins in Acetone if it's just too dirty or something like tape residue, and I use a shorten bristle brush.

[@rockysramblings]

I wouldn’t use a short bristles brush. I’d stick to Qtips and minimal pressure. I’ve cleaned circulated as well. Just haven’t done a video on it yet.

[@lyndaboot7413]

subcribed.. I m from Canada. i loved this vid. Thank you for spending your hard earn money you are very brave... I think you your thought with out control group.I thought to retest everything then re thought. They are all so similar do some new ones.. Good luck

[@rockysramblings]

I’ve currently got something in the works. Stay tuned! Thanks for watching!

[@stephenlewis3879]

This is all good stuff, you could water the e-zest down a little bit that may help in grading if it`s getting to the bone of the coin.

[@SatelliteEngineer]

Great video. Thanks!

[@rockysramblings]

Thanks for watching!

[@TheNiel1968]

Incredibly interesting

[@Logan-tg5we]

I recently inherited a huge coin collection, I wont clean every coin in it, especially if its something rare like my 1877 CC half dollar. However, if its green, teal or so corroded that it can hardly be read Ill restore it. Have a 1855 big cent that was entirely green, appeared almost worn slick and you couldnt make out the last number of the date. Put it in salt and vinegar for a little while and out came a pretty copper coin that had legible liberty on the crown (corrosion had entirely hidden it), very nice detail and a distinct lack of green anywhere on the coin.

[@rockysramblings]

Would you be interested in selling the collection? Contact me on Instagram if so. @rockysramblings

[@roundnshiny]

Interesting video. I agree if no one can really tell with the naked eye or a loop then what does it really matter

[@alschumacher9463]

I'M IMPRESSED THANKS

[@TobaccoRowe1960]

The only thing in cloth that will scratch is dirt. Make sure the coin and the cloth have no minerals, no dirt, no salts and you will be fine. Wash and dry cloth very well before using.

[@Jeff-vl5ji]

Thank you so much for this video, wow. I agree, no control group... no point. I also would only crack open the ANACS that don't mean that much to you and just send a smaller set of coins to PCGS. Obviously keep the 68s. Maybe pick a 67 you think could get a 68? Getting greedy here :)

[@rockysramblings]

Thanks for the input! I’m kind of gauging what everyone thinks of the PCGS submission and I’ll probably do it and make a video afterwards just in case anyone from PCGS is watching my stuff. Unlikely haha

[@Chris-ch5nb]

Could you do this test again with PCGS OR NGC, please?

[@rockysramblings]

I don’t have an NGC membership but I intend to do it with PCGS. Stay tuned

[@Chucka10]

@@rockysramblings If you are an ANA member, you can use that number to submit to NGC as they are the official ANA grading co.

[@chiaking2787]

Thanks for sharing

[@DonnieGamelgaard]

Very good I totally agree

[@richardbrookins5406]

Thanks for this. And yes I would love to see NGC in there as well. Also, I would like to see IGC in there to see if they grade the same or higher. And keep using proofs.

[@rockysramblings]

Thank you for watching! I’ll work on those

[@TobaccoRowe1960]

MS70 Gun Bore Cleaner, Solvent, Dry Cleaning Fluid, Perchlor I think

[@HiSkippy]

save your money!!! Don't waste your cleaned coins by breakingthemout....we belive your cleaning skills.... thank you!!!

[@johnbeast4992]

Just my thoughts. If you really want to do a submission to PCGS for the content. I think to save money you could break out the control group, and the Ez Zest group. Here is my reasoning behind my thoughts. You can still be scientific about it as long as you send the control group (for obvious reasons) and the Ez Zest group, since you thought that was the one that you were the hardest with. BUT THAT IS ONLY IF YOU WANT THE CONTENT. Otherwise I think you did what you set out to do and proved what you wanted to prove with these two video's great work and thank you.

[@rockysramblings]

I think I set out to do what I wanted as well but I know people are going to (and have) said that PCGS would catch it. So now I want to know if that’s true. Someone suggested to take one of each group out and send it in. I think that makes sense cuz if they can’t catch it on one they shouldn’t catch it on the others. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@theandycrunk]

This is awesome!!! Im so glad this worked. I saved it im gonna give it try. How long did you let them soak?

[@rockysramblings]

The eZest is the only one where I let it soak. It was 5 seconds. The other two I dabbed the acetone and MS70 on with a Q tip cotton swab and then lightly “rolled” but then started to rub it very lightly when stuff wasn’t coming off. I will say on other coins I experimented with after this experiment I did let them soak in MS70 for a while. I had one PCGS wouldn’t slab because of pvc residue that I soaked for hours and cleaned many times. ANACS graded and sent back, no details. I believe I got a 67 on it. But something I did wrong was on an old Indian head cent, it was a beautiful coin and I soaked it overnight. The ms70 ate out any weak spots in the copper. Ruined the coin. So DO NOT soak old copper coins.

[@theandycrunk]

@@rockysramblings thank you

[@Amazingcoins4you]

Great video. I've been waiting to see this one. I say crack them out and send them. I have about 15 coins in ngc holders I'm going to crack out and clean and send to pcgs. Can't wait to see what you do.

[@SteelCityStacker33]

Thank you for sharing this…. AWESOME

[@rockysramblings]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Wmu5]

Please do the PCGS …IM VERY CURIOUS…BUT That’s alot of money… use same coins …. (Bust them out!) ill guarantee a greatViewing! (I hope) …..but as i think about it …maybe your last idea is best! Thx

[@1Reddogroad]

Hi, I enjoy your content. thanks ... proofs are mush easier to do then other coins. all coins are not restored in the same manner. a proof should have a mirrored lustrous pinwheel affect. i always start with warm soapy (dawn dish soap) water. sometimes that's all that is needed. if more is needed for a silver coin. i like a quick dip in E-Zest using a soft tip tool, or small basket. followed by a lite wash in warm soapy water. then rinse with only warm water. sometime i might do this a second time... with E-Zest you have to be careful, you can go to far an remove that pinwheel luster. less is more. MS-70 does a good job for copper & nickel with method you used. not as easy to go to far. works good for silver also. acetone is good if coin has some kind of gunk. i always finish with warm soapy water. then a rinse with warm water... use whatever works best for the coin your dealing with. not all coins are created equal... Thanks again

[@rockysramblings]

I did one where I cleaned circulate coins as well. Thanks for the feedback!

[@jameskerry3826]

For those that blv PCGS is a more (Strict) TPG vs. ANACS...I'd only say this: When it comes to grading Morgan Dollars - I've used both - I have found ANACS to be the more (Strict) of the two. ANACS, to me, seems to really make it tough to get 64's and 65's...even when I blv I've submitted several to them.

[@rockysramblings]

I think they’re pretty fair and on par with PCGS. Ive used both a lot. I have had some that kinda baffled me. I think ANACS was too low on a few but again, that’s prolly the subjectivity of the graders.

[@kaynef6637]

Very interesting

[@rockysramblings]

Thank you!

[@davidtai3377]

Thanks for sharing❤❤

[@rockysramblings]

Thanks for watching!

[@blue_diamond_gem]

Awesome experiment!

[@rockysramblings]

Thank you

[@anthony221956]

Would you consider doing a similar video comparing acetone, MS 70 and eZest on cleaning circulated dark toned silver coins? Coins that look very dark, almost black

[@rockysramblings]

I had a nickel that had some darkness on it. But it was more of dirt than toning. At any rate, it cleaned some off but it couldn’t seem to get it all. Some toning I’ve noticed doesn’t come off very easily. Some comes off very easy. I’ve cleaned a lot of coins since the original video. They still pass grading but they don’t always get completely clean. If I have any like that down the road I’ll try it.

[@b-man1232]

I saw a video the other day where a guy sent a number of coins into the NGC Restoration Dept. They then slabbed all of his coins, but the designation was "cleaned". I found that video to be BEYOND bizarre? What the H*** is the point of restoration if they come back as "cleaned"???

[@rockysramblings]

It’s possible that they were cleaned before the restoration. I haven’t heard a lot of bad things about NGC

[@gilsgriddleandgrill]

Thanks!

[@rockysramblings]

You bet!

[@rontharpe4500]

I went to a coin show in Chattanooga Tennessee back in November and sent 6 Morgan Dollars to ANACS. I have not got them back yet because of the holidays. I have been wondering about NGC and PCGS for grading, but what I've seen and heard about them lately I don't like theirs ways of treating their customers and their to hi grading prices. Not to mention having to join something... I think alot of the put down of ANACS is the big boys and not the quality of ANACS's grading. So for the first time grading I went with ANACS... We'll see. I enjoyed watching your video.

[@rockysramblings]

Thank you. I’ve been very happy with them. They usually take about a month, but I’ve gotten coins back as fast as two weeks before. I think they’re grading is on par with pcgs. In some cases I’ve even felt they were too harsh but usually it’s about the same. I had terrible troubles with pcgs and usually their orders took 4 months to complete.

[@Chucka10]

If you have an ANA membership of any kind, you can submit to NGC without a NGC membership.

[@edwardfizette9854]

So which product do you recommend the best

[@rockysramblings]

The way I do it depends on the issue. I’ve learned that acetone removes PVC damage well. Just soak it a little. It then use a Q tip then rinse with distilled water. For 99% of my cleaning I dab it with MS70 and let it soak for a few seconds then VERY LIGHTLY move the Q-tip over the surface. I go back and forth and circles. Do this to both sides and the rim, then rinse with distilled water. I don’t use distilled water but I don’t have city water and I’ve been told PCGS has a tool that can determine something in the water. I would guess it’s fluoride. So better safe than sorry, just use distilled.

[@robbpokorny49]

okay so those are all proofs ... try that with circulated ones. I worked in a coin shop and cleaning uncirculated and proofs are accepted by ALL the grading companies with an ultra sonic and a non abrasive dish soap also your acetone and such that is fine but you do that with a circulated coin that most coin collectors can afford when you get into the harder years and cleaning won't fly they will be caught by the grading companies.

[@rockysramblings]

I do it with circulated Morgans all the time since this video. Haven’t gotten details yet.

[@frankchase9297]

I’m beginning to accept what you had to say about the positive aspects of ANACS. However, their slabs need some work. In addition, the value of the slabbed coins are not comparable. What’s a fellow to do?

[@rockysramblings]

I hate the yellow color to be honest. The slabs I didn’t like at first but after getting more they actually stack easier than the PCGS slabs. I also like the curved top because you can see what you have if you have them in a container without having to take them out. As far as the pricing. I agree with people that say “buy the coin, not the slab” but it is what it is as far as people thinking PCGS is more “trustworthy.” In my experience that couldn’t be farther from the truth. My plan is to use ANACS as my primary grading company. If I get some that are worth more or if I want to add them to my registry, I’ll crossover to PCGS. Leave them in the slab and mark on the form to only crossover of it matches or exceeds the existing grade. Then you’ll have PCGS reputation without the possible loss of the ANACS holder or a lower grade that could make the PCGS slab not worth it. That’s my view anyway 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@chadbenner6316]

I bought a coin the other day from a guy that said “Honestly, I just want it gone cause it’s in an ANACS holder.” I said absolutely I will take that off your hands and he sold the coin to me at an almost 25% discount. I will certainly allow someone to sell me a coin at a discount because of the holder. I don’t sell my coins, I just appreciate them for their condition and level of rarity, which I think is the point of COIN collecting. The bottom line is that if you are in the hobby then you need to learn how to grade for yourself, buy accordingly and submit to the most reliable TPG when it’s time to liquidate. Dealers live by a different set of fiscal rules than collectors like myself.

[@dennyjenkins4651]

I think the main reason they didn't get details is that they were proof uncirculated. I feel like unless it's a somewhat circulated coin that has been cleaned, the grading companies couldn't tell.

[@rockysramblings]

Well I chose to clean proofs because I figured if any scratches were gonna show on a circulated coin then they should definitely show on a proof coin. I would think they’d look closely at it whether it’s a proof or not but maybe you’re on to something. I have sent in Circulated coins as well tho and slipped it past them.

[@phen-228.]

that intro is wild 💀💀💀 my mom heard it n thought i was watching phub 💀

[@rockysramblings]

You gotta ask her why she knows 😂

[@CatherineLang-g2k]

I feel that for the test, you should send the same coins with exact same imperfections to get a real comparison between vendors. Just my opinion but it seems right.

[@beckcrosby8469]

cảm ơn bạn, quá tuyệt vời

[@kevingalusha2210]

Since there is subjectivity to grading, I would crack them out. Any bias against ANACS might affect their grading even if unintentional.

[@rockysramblings]

That’s what I was thinking too. Or send in a completely different cleaned set

[@LukeCollins-sv1ro]

Use distilled water to rinse them after cleaning, they can detect fluoride from the sink water

[@joelp6197]

Great job, Try out the new CAC gradeing system, They have a whole bunch of pissed off people, I have a Morgan dollar that was a MS-62 by ANACS in a old soapbox holder. it came back from CAC as a Cleaned AU. The graders should be useing the same standards when gradeing. I know CAC is tough and ANACS not so much and PCGS and NGC are in the middle . They need to get their act together.

[@rockysramblings]

That sounds like something I don’t want to experience 😅 Ever since my troubles with pcgs I have been using ANACS and they have done a great job. I even got some that I felt were under graded. They’re pretty thorough and they are so much faster. I really like that I don’t have to wait 6 months for grades. My first submission came back in two weeks. Usually it takes a month on average.

[@jdl.1234]

Very nice video. thanks.

[@rockysramblings]

Thank you

[@danettezimbelman5948]

Clean the 65 and send it in...

[@TobaccoRowe1960]

Soaking in REMBRANT in direct intense light, multiple times for hours eats away fine lines left from cleaning, they have to be very fine though. Um ya eats them away.

[@williamguirl7735]

If you could get the same results from pcgs; Bam!

[@TobaccoRowe1960]

If you want to scrub the coin. First remove all the debris, the minerals and salts. Then you can scrub with anything softer than silver. But if you use something hard like a toothpick and you push to hard you can burnish the coins original polish patterns. Basically it does not scratch the silver it just smears its surfaces. That's a Cartwheel killer! be carful with that Stranger. Carboners work best it you ask me, on a very clean Thumb. Note Skin does not scratch silver.

[@harrymilstein2286]

Did you ever try it with electric ultrasonic cleaner. If you put a table spoon of GemOR cleaner solution into the water. it will take out the white spots and glue. Use it for only one minute. It does not damage the coin. Or affect the coin color or shine.

[@rockysramblings]

Have you had them graded? My dad has one. I considered it but I figured the vibrations would make the basket damage it.

[@Coinhoardin]

What about having them graded by PCGS? Do you think you would've recieved the same grades ?

[@rockysramblings]

I want to try it. But it’s much more expensive with PCGS. I probably won’t send in as many.

[@IndianHeadBuffalloNickelMS65]

I can tell you that he want. They will catch that has been cleaned

[@EivinSukoi]

I tried acetone on a few coins , send them to PCGS they all came out cleaned , danggggg.

[@rockysramblings]

yeah but were they straight out the mint packaging? That's why i tried the proofs. They all came straight out of the packaging and I wasn't even trying desperately to be gentle. At first I was but then I just thought it was too hard so I just went with it. If you got details cleaned and they weren't straight out of the mint set they may have had other cleaned marks on them. I've also been told that the companies have equipment that can detect fluoride from being washed under a faucet. That's why people say to use distilled water. I did not use distilled water, but my water is from a cistern so there is no flouride in it, so that could be something. I'm gonna try to submit some to pcgs and see how it goes.

[@EivinSukoi]

@@rockysramblings Uhmm you got a point , I have several 1917 standing liberties , a few sitting liberties , several búfalos but I am afraid to send them to be graded for this reasons , they look great but at the end of the day is up to the graders .

[@rockysramblings]

@@EivinSukoi yeah it sucks to spend the money on grading and end up getting details grades. I’d try ANACS if you really want them slabbed. They don’t cost as much. If the coin isn’t worth over $100-$150 I wouldn’t send it to PCGS

[@Rick.K68]

Don't send PCGS any more money. People should buy the coin not the holder anyway.

[@hopeciccaerllo_delrio126]

1 agree as well.

[@matthewbyrns-sp8lb]

agree 100% PCGS SUCKS

[@ckatheman]

The whole grading industry is a total racket

[@colegrosshans2582]

Agreed. but unfortunately, having coins in slabs is almost a necessity when trying to sell them for what they’re worth.

[@sinesaii]

People pay more for the holder. I buy cheap ANACS all the time

[@chrisb.h4605]

Great video .. I'll have to go back and watch the "cleaning" video .. as I fell asleep half way through.. (that's my mental strain.. not you) but I've watched quite a few videos on this subject , including those from "so called" professional graders/conservation companies .. and in their workshops they have dozens of cleaning chemicals ... so they use them to "conserve" coins.. I would say send a mix... some slabbed to cross , and break others out and send raw! that would be great to see with PCGS and NGC .. The reason I'm doing a lot of research is because I've had a few coins (gold sovereigns) come back "details cleaned" from NGC .. and these I've had between fifteen and twenty years.. not in capsules .. just in display case .. and I have never cleaned or rubbed the surface of them.. and if they were "cleaned" a hundred to two hundred years ago.. surely they can allow for something like that! I personally have searched through the databases and registries and seen coins that are in worse condition and actually look like they've been cleaned .. and yet they have been given numerical grades... MS 63 upwards ... I think it's about time these companies are called out for their BS grades ... and maybe the fact that if, you do the same .. it's details cleaned .. if they do it .. comes back numerical grade after conservation.. Appreciate you posting these videos ... but maybe the final proof would be to send those coins to PCGS and NGC ...

[@rockysramblings]

I intend to send some to PCGS to see what happens. It should be interesting at least. Gold is such a soft metal it unfortunately gets the details grade often. It sucks that pcgs will take LITERALLY any kind of scuff and call it cleaned. But I’m happy my voice is soothing enough to put you to sleep 😂

[@moparluvrsgagarage2898]

I LOVE ANACS, just the variety fees rose and hurts the wallet now. having met an ANACS grader at a show, when they grade MS or PR coins they look at the depth of the designs, the better hair details is alot of it, and they are really mean to my Walkers. strikes I thought were 65 or 6 got 64's and a cpl of 63. But they are what they are.

[@rockysramblings]

I really like ANACS too. It feels like they’re more about the hobby than making money. Their customer service is much better too

[@moparluvrsgagarage2898]

I'd love to show you a before and after on a 95-D lincoln I did that way, absolutely amazing results. It is a double die clash and broadstruck, and like you am just returning to coins after years of fussing with stamps, which are now being sold off.

[@tylonnplatinumthe3rd659]

I predicted these exact results, this test would need to be done on coins that are dirty for it to really tell us anything

[@rockysramblings]

I’m not sure why. It’s the same method used on a dirty or circulated coin with a more reflective or mirrored surface. Maybe if you are assuming the dirty material would damage the surface? I have sent in circulated coins that I used the same method on and they did have dirt on them and got the same results.