Clem's MASS VIKING Army! StarCraft 2 Finals

StarCraft 2 Tournament Grand Finals - Clem vs MaxPax - ESL SC2 EU Cup - Terran vs Protoss - Clem duels MaxPax in an action packed Terran vs Protoss finals!
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StarCraft 2 Tournament 2024 - ESL SC2 EU Cup 2227 Grand Finals - Clem (Terran) vs MaxPax (Protoss) - Best of 5
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[@CaptainRotmeat]

Winter, I just wanted to tell you that I've been visiting my elderly parents, and they say they don't have a clue what's going on, but they love your videos because you're so entertaining. Thank you for casting these! They especially love Brenda lol

[@enriquegarciacota3914]

When he channels Brenda they must enjoy that for sure 😊

[@foberdud7576]

Lmao I’m not surprised they like Brenda they prob knew ppl like her 🤣🤣

[@timnickname3530]

Brenda and starcraft are probs the same age

[@malicesutton8592]

Can confirm! I was there when that didn't happen

[@tpurves]

😆 "This is considered, in many cultures, to be a dick move" "But he is french" "I'll just leave that out there, which is also very French"

[@Devious_PC]

31:31 "A 'Scandinavia' of Vikings here, and our Danish player MaxPax will be forced to retreat from them, somewhat ironically." What a call-out. Your wit and way with words is so very entertaining sir. Also, thoroughly enjoyed the Schrodinger's Medivac bit at 42:16

[@hexaquras9374]

How to counter Disruptors: Everybody: Liberators/Tanks Clem: Nah I'd stim

[@undertyped1]

I wonder if Clem has nightmares at night of Serral coming back from his military training.

[@shadowpriest2574]

Realistically speaking he is the only one who should not have such nightmares. He is the only one who beats Serral from time to time.

[@thatstruckin9432]

@@shadowpriest2574 everything about how clem plays is immoral

[@shadowpriest2574]

@@thatstruckin9432 Immoral? He plays the most standard terran possible, how is that immoral?

[@djkatfishbeats]

Clems the only one who can stop the serial hord what are talking about

[@tigera6]

He should have nightmare about his TvT first, if Spirit could 3-2 him in a Bo5, imagine what Maru Cure Byun Gumiho could do to him.

[@dunngyllite7883]

"The Raven ! - Nevermore" It needs more than a cask of amontillado to get that reference.

[@hugosantos7180]

Clem vs Maxpax is second only to Dark vs Byun in entertainment value 😂

[@IsaacFNghost]

Just noticed that "cloaked IRL" text at the bottom of Maxpax's gamer card and it had me dying XD Winter's sense of humor kills me bro

[@Yuri-gt6ns]

Every Grand Final right now is Maxpax Vs Clem huh

[@Daniel-yy3ty]

Reynor is in Korea and Serral is not available... It's gonna be like that for a while 😅

[@cameramaster41]

20:00 "Ladies and gentlemen...we got em" perfect.

[@alphazergling9255]

"They fly now?!? I mean... They land now?!?" -Finn from Star Wars, probably

[@ryder8646]

who?

[@alphazergling9255]

@@ryder8646 black stormtrooper turned rebel

[@morgenmuffel5747]

Kinda ridiculous how easily Vikings counter Colossi given how cheap and fast they are to build

[@alexandrel4569]

Imagine warping 14 zealots in your opposent base.

[@johnmarkiw6640]

@@alexandrel4569 You're right, Vikings easily counter that as well.

[@TheMHB199]

Imagine how easily the counter unit counters what it's supposed to counter.....wild

[@FloridaManYT]

SC2 has a Grand Final 2 times a week it feels like

[@ryder8646]

so true sometimes marketing goes a little too far, now when there's a big tournament they'll have to use some other description mega hyper super duper grandiose final

[@chloesmith4065]

I feel like concussive shell shouldn't affect disruptors

[@Scidzcopter]

holy hell those two pummel each other until they grind their own knuckles

[@watermenplumbingfiltration144]

“A Scandinavia of Vikings” LOLOL

[@Durandurandal]

33:05 There's just something about watching 3+ full medivacs flying over the gap into the main and every one of them just eating it that always gets a chuckle from me

[@theanti-hypemonitor9079]

now that was a fantasy gg timing in game one if i ever seen one

[@tvpstvps5785]

Thanks!

[@michaelbreedlove348]

Gabe may have HeroMarine, but MaxPax has HeroProbe

[@WhyWhatWhoWhenWhyAgain]

I absolutely love watching Clem play ❤

[@christopherscott6383]

Uh oh! Jimmy!, Winter is casting SC2 that means this day will be glorious

[@cavemantero]

5:00 is exactly why high level terrans don't build ravens if they don't have to

[@AXharoth]

wow Clem is being Godlike , he leveled up

[@DavidVives84]

Amazing games, amazing cast... just another day that got a little bit better ❤

[@thirdworldrider6991]

hopefully youve had a good day so far, and hopefully its about to get a little bit better, this means alot to me.

[@AXharoth]

Protoss: i must scream but i have no mouth

[@CaravanBlueRoses]

You need to make a card game out of those cards.

[@dlx7844]

Winter, you're always making my days better, thanks for keeping up the good stuff! ❤

[@dalcowboiz]

game 3 was nuts. almost had good plays with the disruptors but then they all ended up dying. probably needed the warp prism micro

[@crapsound]

That 3rd game felt exhausting even when I'm just watching. I really wanted Clem to win because I'm a Terran main but it looked to me like MaxPax was under control near the end there.

[@phillgizmo8934]

26:14 Widow shot? No way, marines have no time for a wife.

[@NovusGM]

That outro in game1 was the best ever 😂

[@JohnSmith-nc9ep]

Fantastic games Winter.

[@remeokits]

Ao when a Viking goes ground mode does the upgrades that apply change too. So you have to upgrade mech and air?

[@zaxtonhong3958]

They benefit from ship upgrades while in ground mode. But ship armor and vehicle armor are combined anyway

[@AXharoth]

this series was sick , Clem had his morning coffee or maybe hes on stim

[@hydraxc2478]

Was that a bird person reference? 18:55

[@kabutothedragon]

What are those cards with bonus stats?, do they actually give in game bonuses?

[@Appletank8]

I gotta ask, how often are Protoss players able to actually trap units from retreating with Force field, anyways?

[@TritonTv69420]

disruptors should get +2 speed on the novas when playing against clem hahaha. I swear its so frustrating seeing how hard it is to hit the bio ball. 45:25 hahahah I was hoping you would show the forcast!!! hahahahaha

[@cathulionetharn5139]

Thank You Om nom nom

[@AG.z]

Which one is the mass.vikings game?

[@djkatfishbeats]

Spoiler shield 🛡 of Airer

[@Flynnmaster]

Lol it’s AIUR bro

[@purpleniumowlbear2952]

How is it that Winter's uploads range from hundreds of views to tens of thousands of views?

[@taesonslane2513]

Landed vikings are useless Clem: hold my minerals

[@nikolatodorov1994]

Waiting on the new vid like it's new year's eve. 😅😆😀

[@Klaus2319]

who wins? the terran?!

[@samulemichlemichle4419]

Im just wondering why don't protos have a phoenix back at base to deal with ravens , libs , banches and medivacs.

[@cousinpatsey2471]

I believe it's because they have to build a star gate to do that, and early on when the harassment is happening that would be a significant drain on resources.

[@briacleguillou3079]

Go CLEM Goooooooo

[@publicexpo]

Hey Lowko!

[@tvpstvps5785]

Damnit winter. That Edgar Allen Poe reference was on point …never more… #oldmanstarcraft

[@kenhorn4327]

While also mixing in the Taylor Swift album name ..

[@cpt.lounatic4010]

Am i crazy in saying the disrupter charge should move faster but not live as long and do less dmg? If any pro player can easily dodge 10 energy balls, all the attack does is keep u away for a few seconds - or is that the only purpose of the attack?

[@hypothalapotamus5293]

Alpha Star seemed to think ravager biles were entirely a zoning tool.

[@ryder8646]

it's a massive attention tax, many times you'll see a pro dodge 100 shots and then eat two while macroing and lose the game

[@troy3423]

They need to add an attack to the Raven. Makes it a lot easier to micro and it won't wander off whenever

[@joshuakim5240]

Either the HT needs its LoTV auto attack removed to put it in line with the other non-attacking spellcaster units, or other spellcaster units need their own super weak auto attacks to be more in-line with the HT. In hindsight, i really don't understand why the Raven, a unit that fling out auto turrets, doesn't have its own built-in turret. Same with Vipers being able to spit air-destroying parasitic bombs yet can't do small acid spits.

[@hivetech4903]

That makes no sense. They are an air unit so you just tag them to your army and they follow & provide vision. When they are harassing alone what are they going to auto attack? An overlord? Alerting the Zerg to the Raven's location? Nothing is in the air for Protoss. A ground auto attack also makes no sense, you want to sneak up and use the powerful spells which actually do damage.

[@troy3423]

@hivetech4903 There's move commands and attack commands for that very reason. Have you ever played SC2? A basic attack that does an insignificant amount of damage allows it to engage with the army instead of flying past and getting shot down, as seen in game 1. That's why high Templar have an insignificant attack. So they don't wander into the enemy team during fights

[@ryder8646]

yes, Terran needs spellcaster buffs for sure

[@crapsound]

@@joshuakim5240 With Vipers, I agree they should have a basic attack but Ravens? They're a detector unit already. If they were to have a basic attack, I say their detector ability should be removed then.

[@veranicus6060]

❤👍

[@MrMeoow91]

at pro level, disruptor’s ball is pretty useless against shoot n run tactic.

[@alexandrel4569]

Just need 1 big hit to win. It's just that Clem is to good for that.

[@benismann]

TvP is so weird to watch. It's not like ZvT or even ZvP, where you can more or less clearly see who's ahead and winning. TvP feels like everything can be decided be one battle. Any battle in fact, and any side can win it too

[@alexandrel4569]

Probably because Zerg can have 7 bad fights and still be in the game, while Protoss and Terran are barely allowed 1 bad fight vs Zerg.

[@remeokits]

If you want to get good play against the cpu max level and copy that.

[@longwalker1]

I love Maxpax!!

[@kylebissinger8901]

Love the content

[@ahmed94534]

is Jimmy real?

[@aleksandarnikolovski8865]

Each time you make desruptors, you lose

[@SupremePawn]

I feel like disruptors are the only way Maxpax can get a leg up on Clem. High Templar just get murdered as soon as a couple ghosts get on the field.

[@hivetech4903]

To be fair MaxPax is among the worst of the top Protoss at using Disruptors. They are a terribly designed unit, but he mostly tried to avoid using them in tournaments so someone with the micro of Clem is going to have an advantage.

[@chloesmith4065]

I feel like disruptors would've been very helpful in the last game

[@Handle35667]

Clem would be the 5th best Terran in Korea. How do you plan to argue him to the “best”. LOL

[@jackl597]

Spoiler shield

[@adamhubbert8896]

Thanks

[@EmptyHouseGuy]

Everybody knows Terran is OP but nobody wants to admit it. I don't know if I've seen a Toss win a series against any high level Terran in years. Defending against a terran 2 base timing requires near-perfect countering, the difficulty is an order of magnitude harder than defending a 2-base timing from zerg or toss.

[@TheMHB199]

No one 'knows' terran is OP. Some people think so because they don't understand the game. The people who do know don't say terran is OP. Just for your info there were 988 pro TvP games in May 2024. Protoss won 53.44%. 2 base timings are a significant investment that will put you behind if you don't get enough damage. It's hard to defend any races 2 base timings especially if you don't scout correctly and prepare. Or if you don't pick off the few high value units depending on composition.

[@alexandrel4569]

MaxPax is really good, but I'll never understand why he doesn't show up in Offline events. Can't be considered the best of your race if you don't participate in the offline events.

[@martinwinther6013]

gg

[@MikeRochaMusicAcademy]

Yoooo

[@DecisivelyVague2]

Terran is OP at this skill level. There’s almost nothing a Protoss can do other than cheese when the skill levels are equal.

[@hivetech4903]

Skill levels are not equal. Terran & Zerg have a higher skill ceiling at the very top (global top 10). Cheese never works against top or even mid tier pros, not sure what you're talking about.

[@DecisivelyVague2]

@@hivetech4903 cheeses are absolutely used in tournament level pro matches . . . What are you talking about?

[@cousinpatsey2471]

​@hivetech4903 skill levels are fairly equal, it's just one race allows the full use of it, while the other doesn't. MaxPax is just as skilled as anyone else, but his race doesn't always show it. But beyond that, yeah cheese does still exist.

[@hivetech4903]

@@DecisivelyVague2 You said _Protoss_ cheese in PvT - and no it certainly does not exist. MaxPax proxy gate was figured out pretty quick and its not something he does any more. So what are you talking about?

[@hivetech4903]

@@cousinpatsey2471 PvT cheese does not exist at the top level. Proxy Oracle or Void is not a thing. Are you one of those people who thinks DT off two base is a cheese? That's like saying cloak Banshee harass is a cheese.

[@luissanchez3d]

Crazy how many builds and harass options terran has in the early game. While protoss just havsa couple. At pro level that is. So unfair man.

[@jimdrive2164]

PvT is just dreadful to watch. I'm losing all interest in this match up. But considering the good spot PvZ is in right now I don't even know what could be done. Definitely a crappy conundrum to deal with, and I appreciate you making it as interesting as you can still Winter

[@chloesmith4065]

There's plenty that could be done, you dont have to make changes that affect other matchups. For example damage vs shields, damage vs mechanical, etc, could be adjusted on many units without affecting any matchup involving zerg. Might not want to nerf terran too hard if it affects TvZ but i feel like at the very least we can make disruptors 3 supply again.

[@TheMHB199]

What makes PvT dreadful to watch? What makes you think PvZ is in a good spot?

[@edwardstafford2234]

Hopefully this is the saltiest comment I ever leave, but can we add a tag for any TvP that isn't just "3-1 Terran win because bio balls go brrr"? I've started just skipping to the final score to decide if a TvP is worth watching and that's very much not a normal behavior for me. Love the casting Winter, don't blame you for the state of balance

[@danielhearndon1908]

I hate to say it but I've been doing the same. Terran is so boring to watch in TvP unless its Gumiho. Love Winter though.

[@hivetech4903]

Tournament level PvT for the latest month is 52% (that means 2% in Protoss favor). So balance is pretty great.

[@edwardstafford2234]

@@hivetech4903 Damn that's kinda crazy to hear at least based on what I've seen from Winter's casts. What site were you using for data? I'd be really curious to see what the stats are for Maru, Byun, and Clem specifically, or for longer series (Bo5 or Bo7)

[@benismann]

Honestly my interest in the match drops after terran gets a win. It's often only downhill from there for toss. Somehow.

[@IsaacFNghost]

I love watching TvP my favorite matchup

[@isaahliu]

bro sounds like Andrew Glouberman from Big Mouth

[@tineristineris1860]

Delete mules and lets see how terran economy will survive when losing SCVs.

[@benismann]

Then how does terran not die against literally everyone else? Toss has chrono-boost and zerg is zerg, they both have more workers than terran

[@lucastaffolani8087]

protoss vs terran sucks and it will be so till stimpack remain so broken

[@Commenter703]

Protoss has to play perfectly to win, plus have terran make some significant mistake to win. while terrans have every timing initiative, and everything is spoonfed and idiot-proofed. People think the sliver of people remaining to play in this game.. actually playing on 1v1 ladder.. is significant? This game would have kept far, far more players if the Blizzard and this pimple-popping "balance council" wouldn't have been so tone deaf. We don't need a balance patch every few months. Fix the known issues that everybody, literally everybody, knows about.

[@chloesmith4065]

Bioballs trade incredibly well against gateway units... But robo units can make protoss deathball much stronger. Colossi melt marines, immortals crush marauders. But then all the Terran needs is vikings to handle the colossi, so thats why protoss moves to psi storm or disruptor. Personally I'd lower the disruptor cooldown or make them cheaper/faster to build. The recent widow mine nerf was a step in the right direction. Ghosts are too powerful in every matchup and too easy to get to. If you compare to broodwar, EMP was on a completely different unit that cost more gas that came out of the starport and emp had to be researched and the projectile was slower. Here you just build a ghost academy and you already have 4+ rax with techlabs to pump them out of. Also liberators shouldnt 2shot stalkers. Even with +2.

[@Commenter703]

@@chloesmith4065 Disruptor novas are too easy to dodge, they are too slow. How many time do you see them being dodged completely. You would have to catch your opponent off-guard, but then the disruptor has horrible vision, and terrible movement. And while tanks auto-target high value units like disruptors, colossi, and immortals, guess what the robo units do? They auto-target all the wrong units. Seriously, immortals auto-target marines, Colossi auto-target marauders and yes, no joke, refineries/assimilators. You have interceptors also targeting marauders or supply depots instead of marines, they totally stupefied Protoss. Then around 2019 or so, they reduced the pylon power area. How many times do you see people struggling to place down a building to fit in the area? How many marine drops to target down pylons to totally shut down production? This game is ridiculous, and there is a reason why so many of the people left this game. it is frustrating. The weird thing is, the fixes are so goddamn easy to do to make this game much better. Yes, fucking nerf the fucking ghosts. They pop out ready to EMP.. what about high templars? Oh wait. Storming takes 75 energy, and damage is spread over five seconds or so. EMP? Instantaneous 10,000 damage. Cannot be dodged..then add the dorito dust to weaken armor.. then add the Marine Marauder Medivac ball.. literally, there is nothing that doesn't go the way for Terran.

[@benismann]

funnily enough stimpack is not the biggest offender. It's prob fine as is.

[@FlokiTech]

@@Commenter703 Terran has to play perfectly to win you mean? if the protoss and terran plays anything less then perfectly the protoss always wins.

[@andy8133]

bait? mmm... dude dislike 👉

[@redrumss3464]

Clem is such a sore loser with the rage quit😂

[@lahancodon]

I mean his username is the kid so

[@shadowpriest2574]

It was closer to him seeing the writing on the wall. Pros can understand when they lose and in that case, he was out of position and would have lost his 1 of 2 bases. It was over.

[@potm_info]

How is MAXPAX still not banned to play on such level? Everybody knows MAXPAX is not the heal human but an AI.

[@JD-fd6gt]

Starcraft 2? From 2010? People still play this game? LOL. You know the video game Industry is in the shitter when people are still playing Starcraft 2. Oh boy, someone tell Blizzard its time to move on, this game has gone to meet its maker. Its pushing out the daisy's, its joined the choir invisible... THIS IS AN X 2010 VIDEO GAME!!!

[@BobWasThere-]

I enjoy Winter casts :)

[@chloesmith4065]

Respect your elders. SC2 is still king of RTS.

[@ryder8646]

very odd comment from somebody using a character from the 90's as their avatar

[@nooonanoonung6237]

Dragonball should also meet its maker :v

[@JD-fd6gt]

@@ryder8646 From the 80's actually, if you want to get technical. Big difference spending hours playing and wasting your time on an old 2010 video game when Blizzard should have come out with Starcraft 3 by now, compared to someone who uses an anime picture as his avatar on his youtube account purposely trolling people.

[@worlddocumentary1635]

WTF ???!!! is this portrets are ??! Raynor is not Italian, he is Korean guy ! Or you bullshiting us in a hard way, or i did not under stand that (7:25)

[@Zorga13]

No, no, Reynor really is Italian.

[@BobWasThere-]

Riccardo "Reynor" Romiti (born July 1, 2002) is an Italian Zerg player who is currently playing for BASILISK. I just googled it in 10 sec, you could've done the same.

[@patbe5877]

Nah he's Serb 🇸🇮🇸🇮🇸🇮🇸🇮

[@patbe5877]

Nah he's albanian🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱

[@patbe5877]

Nah he's turkic 🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷