Clementi - Sonata op.40 no.2

Muzio Clementi (1752-1832) - Sonata op.40 no.2 (1802)
Lazar Berman, piano
Original: • Lazar Berman - Clement...

[@thenomad4606]

Clementi is underrated.

[@samaritan29]

You sir, are underrated.

[@thenomad4606]

@@samaritan29 Thank you.

[@igorkreszow8983]

@@samaritan29 But why?

[@TonTonTheWonton]

@@igorkreszow8983 He just is

[@igorkreszow8983]

@@TonTonTheWonton ok.

[@gabriellamapac9609]

I have played this sonata, it's one my favourite piano pieces.... It's meditative and at the same time full of tension and pathos. Requires great practice and great mind control 👏👏👏

[@amphorarope29]

I've performed it as well! Deceptively challenging.

[@Alix777.]

Clementi was no joke at the pianoforte.

[@chegadesalzburg]

Such a masterpiece. I do not understand, why we hear that not much more frequently in concerts. Give a break to the moonlight and play some Muzio Clementi.

[@joshscores3360]

Many pianists don't seem to realize that Clementi wrote much more than those 6 Op. 36 sonatas.

[@canman5060]

@@joshscores3360 I honestly don't think so but many of them only play a small handful.

[@most_sane_piano_enthusiast]

for real

[@Whatismusic123]

"Masterpiece" good one 😂

[@MaestroStefanoPetrini]

lol

[@marijasimic7504]

I have no words to describe! One of the best sonatas by Clementi.

[@marklagash6910]

Great part of modern classical music is of Italian origin. The concerto( and concerto grosso) , the Baroque style, the modern opera and the modern musical theatre, the modern symphony, the modern sonata, Gregorian chants, the modern notation scale, sacred masses such as requiem, stabat mater, Frescobaldi's modern harpsichord, then the development of the modern violin with uccellini, castello and stradivari, the development of the modern piano with mr. Clementi and much, much more. And it's no coincidence that these Italian ideas still echo today, in fact Italian is the official language of classical terminology. Andante, adagio, tempo, concerto, largo, etc... Well, How is possible ordinary people don't know these things? I noticed that few not italians know these things, especially in Anglo-Saxon countries. This is perhaps why Italian classical music is almost always placed in the background, perhaps compared to Austria (which does not have a pubic hair of Italian musical history). Because there is still a general background ignorance on italian classical music. Clementi and scarlatti are the first basis of the modern keyboard piano instrument (for example) Musicologists obviously know these things, but still not ordinary people (English, French, German, and American) in particular, and this remain a mistery to me. Fortunately with KZbin some of these things are much more clear for many people

[@marcorval]

Because classical music is seen as music for the brain. In Italy and other Latin countries (southern France, Spain, etc.) the heart drives the music.

[@makytondr8607]

Wow!! Never knew Clementi wrote stuff like this.. I’ve only heard his simple sonatinas that I never cared for but this is awesome!!

[@Alix777.]

Even his "simple sonatinas" are well crafted with great moments, especially 4 and 6. Anyway Clementi's sonatas are neglected to say the least, which is a pity.

[@hofmusikus91]

First movement = epicness!

[@pantoleonantonio9653]

Clementi's popularity with his easy sonatinas, meant obscurity in his musically significant sonatas. How ironic.

[@alancorley6455]

I had the great pleasure of seeing Lazar Berman perform years ago here in Dallas at McFarlin Auditorium -- in a word : spectacular. He played 5 encores of increasing difficulty as though they were the easiest things imaginable. And he had the most marvelous tongue in cheek humor to boot

[@openmusic3904]

It sounds very similar to a turbulent and wild Beethoven sonata, amazing. If I weren't listening closely I'd mistake this for a Beethoven sonata, easily.

[@prammar1951]

Beethoven always traveled with clementi sonatas, and practiced them alot.

[@matthewvarney6214]

I agree

[@ruperttmls7985]

Además Clementi era el encargado personalmente por Beethoven para ser el editor y distribuidor de sus sonatas para piano en Inglaterra.

[@Whatismusic123]

Probably because beethoven is equally trash.

[@WesCoastPiano]

This is so far ahead of its time it's ridiculous. Clementi speaking from beyond the grave.

[@luizmelofilho]

Why is it ahead? Beethoven was making some sonatas in the same way in 1802

[@luizmelofilho]

Why is it ahead?

[@ant7389]

@@luizmelofilho He's talking of the expression quality, and harmony/extensions... Not comparing to Beethoven

[@coachtigre5913]

@@luizmelofilho "Beethoven had the greatest admiration for Clementi's sonatas, considering them the most beautiful, the most pianistic of works, both for their lovely, pleasing, original melodies and for the consistent, easily followed form of each movement. The musical education of his beloved nephew was confined for many years almost exclusively to the playing of Clementi sonatas" ... so, if You want to compare his sonatas to the Beethoven ones remember that the Sonata structure of Clementi has been the reference for all later composers including Beethoven.

[@Reichthoff]

@@luizmelofilho you wont find this italian spirit in any of beethovens works.

[@fluxvital]

The least-known face of clementi. Thanks for sharing

[@elrichardo1337]

literally the only pieces by clementi i've ever played are a few of the easy op 36 sonatinas this is a pleasant surprise to find

[@PaulHummerman]

Stupendous performance of a magnificent sonata

[@matthewvarney6214]

This is amazing. I wasn't expecting to hear something like this by Clementi

[@Alix777.]

He is a great composer and his sonatas don't deserve to get neglected as this...

[@Whatismusic123]

​@@Alix777. No, this piece is complete garbage.

[@MiScusi69]

@@Whatismusic123 You are garbage

[@essentialist12]

​@@Whatismusic123 Clementi was way ahead of his times. If this video didn't say it was Clementi, I would thought this was one of Beethoven’s piano sonatas. Very advanced form and harmonies.

[@Whatismusic123]

@@essentialist12 yeah? Beethoven's late sonatas are garbage, just like this piece. The form is by no means advanced, it's regressive if anything.

[@ernestoferreri]

the turbulence of the finale here seems like a trial run for Chopin's B minor Sonata

[@josephmathmusic]

I feel the allegro starting at 9:36 somehow like a bridge between scarlatti and the finale of 3rd chopin sonata

[@mcrettable]

1802... wow

[@mcrettable]

Kelli Kim they sound like idiots...

[@amadeuswolfe7180]

Well he was no Mozart bach or beethoven but his piano paying was equel or even better than Beethoven Mozart Schubert and bach

[@CziffraTheThird]

@@amadeuswolfe7180 Yes you are correct, he was not like one of them. But he had attained a name and worthiness nonetheless amongst the likes of a coinciding high caliber, and the name was Clementi!

[@amadeuswolfe7180]

I found this very interesting … After the famous piano duel by Mozart and Clementi Mozart was clearly surprised by Clementi’s technical facility - he certainly had thought himself unequalled in terms of pianistic skills - as he wrote to his father, “Clementi plays well, as far as execution with the right hand goes. His greatest strength lies in his passages in thirds. Apart from that, he doesn’t have a Kreuzer’s worth of taste or feeling. In short, he is a mere robot.” Mozart later added, “Clementi is a charlatan, like all Italians. He marks a piece presto but plays only allegro.” Yet, apparently Mozart did remember the opening theme of Clementi’s Op. 24, No. 2, as he “borrowed” it ten years later for his overture to “Die Zauberflöte” (The magic flute) ….. It seems Mozart was feeling the heat lol

[@mrJohnDesiderio]

Amadeus Wolfe Mozart hated Italians because they got all the jobs. But he loved Italian audiences because his operatic successes depended on them , perhaps. Mozart was loved in Italy . Beethoven had a much better appreciation of Clementi . Holding him in very high regard. Beethoven thought Rossini incapable of serious opera (I think Rossini proved him wrong with Moses in Egypt ) writing that it wasn’t suited to the Italian temperament. Those Germans and Austrians where typical bigots when they wanted to be. Odd, Beethoven didn’t hold back his admiration for Cherubini and Viotti either.

[@ceinwenbran]

If the 17 people who took the time to dislike it could please seek medical help asap so you can come back, listen again and love it. :)

[@whitelawnick]

I like the sonata itself but I think the performance isn’t necessarily great - in the opening slow 6/8 section the rhythm is off in a lot of spots.

[@charlottewhyte9804]

fuck ,they are not real

[@Whatismusic123]

This piece is awful

[@IbrahimHoldsForth]

Clementi had the misfortune of being merely a decent composer in a lifetime that encompassed Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert and the entirety of mature Haydn.

[@ruperttmls7985]

Es porque la musicología germana se adueñó de todo menospreciando al resto de occidente, incluyendo italianos, franceses, españoles, etc.

[@marcocampus7943]

​​@@ruperttmls7985or the same reason, in the Bach era Scarlatti, Couperin and Rameau are only good composers

[@c.g.marseille4510]

i love Lazar Berman

[@TroyLan]

Who would have thought that Clementi's emotional prowess surpasses his time!

[@unebellevie1783]

2악장알레그로 09:30 프레스토 12:50

[@marcocampus7943]

Questa sonata è fuori di testa. Il secondo mov è non ha nulla da invidiare a Beethoven.

[@sangwooklee9965]

What a master Clementi

[@vitodistasi8954]

Questa sonata è un capolavoro l'inizio in fa# richiama l'introduzione della sonata op 101 di Beethoven seguito dall' allegro in si - con sonorita vicine alla patetica conclusa con un presto con fuoco finale breve ma carico di energia sonata molto bella

[@hectorreynoso6308]

such a dramatic piece, just amazing, so pianistic also

[@user-gh3it9fm4x]

Вполне можно подумать, что это соната Бетховена, так Клементи повлиял на творчество Бетховена, Моцарта..

[@christinacortez6130]

This is classical music please do not interrupt this music with commercials

[@extollo]

one thing i noticed was some field-like harmonic movement there. and of course, field was a student of clementi.

[@most_sane_piano_enthusiast]

This is so epic. Why is it so unknown?

[@Leonid1969-e8d]

There is "on one side" and there is "on the other side". On the one hand, many thanks to Lazar Berman, now deceased (he died in 2005), a wonderful pianist and, by the way, to my fellow countryman - we are both Leningraders-Petersburgers, for their interest in this wonderful music of Muzio Clementi. I am not a pianist, but a musicologist, but I also played it at the conservatory. Clementi's wonderful and very original piano work is little known in Russia, he is known here as the author of children's sonatinas and a collection of etudes "Steps to Parnassus". On the other hand, at a rapid pace, all the notes are in a heap, in passages the instrument, as Hoffmann once wrote about the virtuosos of his time, turns into a kind of ratchet, meaningful intonation is completely lost, but according to Asafiev, "Music is an art intoned meaning", so that after the intonation, any meaningfulness disappears.

[@josepalomogomez9865]

Una maravilla. Gracias

[@nintendianajones64]

Well now we know where Beethoven got his ideas for his first Sonata from.

[@marcocampus7943]

In this sonata we see le fil-rouge beetwen Clementi, Czerny and Listz

[@MaestroStefanoPetrini]

1:57 dillinger escape plan-"we are the storm" theme excerpt

[@calebhu6383]

12:58

[@prammar1951]

Just wow

[@esraozer13]

💜

[@rothschildianum]

It does sound like Beethoven.

[@petermerelis]

Beethoven sounds like Clementi

[@mervelerdenbiri]

❤

[@user-kj9qu2bs1o]

Нe played this piece with his son Pavel Berman

[@erika6651]

Berman is all the map with his tempi. Is this is standard approach or peculiar to this performance?

[@m.erubik]

4:45

[@JoaoVictor-mr9tl]

Alguém Latino?

[@Letseatdinner]

If ur listening in 2022 hit some dabs or some good quality cannabis and this will literally transport you thru time and space. lol so beautiful

[@zakzaki9542]

almost 2023

[@Zimzamzoom95]

Damn bro i'd love to share a joint with u lol

[@bijnerdalbrey7153]

Anyone have an idea what make of piano he played? And do i hear a non-equal temper tuning?

[@makytondr8607]

Yes, to me it also sounds like unequal tenperament. Very beautiful!

[@most_sane_piano_enthusiast]

This is 1802??

[@PaulHummerman]

Over the top yet under the skin.

[@m.erubik]

2:13 allegro

[@olivervogel6794]

lightning Berman

[@marcocampus7943]

Clementi wasnt a better composer then Mozart, but surely he was a better pianist.

[@essentialist12]

Mozart actually took inspiration from Clementi. He saw him play one time and was marveled by his sparkling technique. I would say that Clementi has more complexity than Mozart, and Mozart on the other hand has way more innovation, and also opened the door to the art of human expression in music.

[@Whatismusic123]

@@essentialist12 expression through music is impossible, it only exists in belief

[@PhilipDaniel]

@@Whatismusic123 Music expresses ratios and proportions but evokes emotions. That, I think, is the proper foundation for a workable "metaphysics of music."

[@Whatismusic123]

@@PhilipDaniel that's entirely buzzwords reinforced by belief. You have no understanding to back that statement up, it is a completely incoherent reply.

[@yrtopap.525]

2:13

[@kadaralex9787]

9:30. 12:50

[@Zimzamzoom95]

Too much in all the wrong places and not enough in the rest 😕

[@asdflkj3380]

played too fast.

[@GerardvanR]

Free is good, but too free .....? Playing with emotion is good, but with too much emotion ....?

[@mcrettable]

i think it's an emotional piece

[@varolussalsanclar1163]

This is the beauty of classical music. True artistic geniuses expressing their emotions without a hint of compromise in the name of commercial interest.

[@Whatismusic123]

​@@varolussalsanclar1163that's religion, not music.

[@lowlightpiano7110]

Repent and trust in Jesus. Hes the only way. We deserve Hell because weve sinned. Lied, lusted stolen, etc. But God sent his son to die on the cross and rise out of the grave. We can receive forgiveness from Jesus. Repent and put your trust in him. John 3:16 Romans 3:23❤❤❤😊

[@strugglergames3619]

I don't understand it.

[@romeobortolani1907]

So much noise. Lot of noise and ungraceful speaking. Two themes are beautiful, curious, but the complex is very arrogant

[@issartejean-francois7875]

Too much is too much

[@m.erubik]

5:55

[@devosiagian9578]

04:36

[@yrtopap.525]

5:29

[@yrtopap.525]

3:25

[@minjuncho4157]

2:12