Clemson Takes The Gloves Off In Legal Fight vs. ACC! FSU vs. ACC Mediation, ACC Heisman Candidates?

The Clemson Tigers took a hard shot at the ACC in their amended complaint. Clemson is suing the conference and is now seeking unspecified damages, accusing the conference of hurting Clmeson’s ability to seek a new conference with their “erroneous assertions” in regards to the Grant of Rights agreement. Does Clemson offer a valid claim, here? Meanwhile, Florida State and the ACC were ordered into mediation by a Florida judge, but are unable to agree on a mediator so far. They’ve asked for a 60 day extension. Can the ACC find a way to settle with FSU and Clemson without creating a mass exodus?
Hosts Alex Donno and Kenton Gibbs discuss these developments at FSU and Clemson. The guys take a look at possible Heisman candidates in the ACC. Can Cam Ward, DJ Uiangalelei, Lawrence Toafili or Damien Martinez find a way onto the stage in New York? Will a dark horse candidate emerge?
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[@Erv704]

Kenton is my fraternity brother but with that being said it’s obvious that he is bias for the ACC.because nc state doesn’t have a place to land if the conf collapse. Go Noles

[@wolfpackmba]

NCSU is an easy in for Big12 and a strong candidate for SEC.

[@Almighty5-ww1kl]

@@wolfpackmba SEC doesn’t want the Wolfpack , They want UNC , Wolfpack jus been piggy backing off Tar heels

[@wolfpackmba]

Nah, B1G wants the Tarheels. Better cultural fit in every way. SEC will not be left out of the growing NC market and grab State

[@walterabbott5347]

@@wolfpackmba SEC that's a laugh!!! Big 12 is a possibility.

[@Erv704]

@@wolfpackmba definitely an easy candidate for Big12 but not a candidate to SEC unless you guys are linked with UNC

[@mikesheridan2]

Kenton apparently doesn’t realize that the best players can now be paid…. He doesn’t seem to think that making $30M more a year won’t help a program acquire better players…. I understand he’s butt hurt but at least be realistic…

[@canesforlife]

Kenton knows his stuff.

[@trick7884]

@@canesforlife he really doesn't. Dude still doesn't realize the gor has been floating around online for years He's on this show saying "show me the grant of rights! I want to see the grant of rights! When are we finally going to get to see it?!"

[@canesforlife]

@@trick7884 and?

[@VBHokie]

You can lookup the Grant of Rights on the Internet. What is under lock and key in Charlotte is the ACC/ESPN media agreement.

[@trick7884]

It is so embarrassing that Kenton has been saying we can't view the gor for all these months Good lord, do a modicum of research

[@user-ou5mb7us9s]

The one thing they dont bring up is the contract Why are they hiding the contract under lock and key.If everything was so black and white clarity wise they wouldnt be doing this JUST THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A MINUTE

[@ericlofroos2405]

You guys really need to get a big time contract attorney on your show, because you guys have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re truly embarrassing yourselves.

[@flch95]

Kenton the money is not just about facilities. With that much gap in money vs the P2, those schools will use the ACC and B12 as feeder programs for coaches, assistants and players even more than now. Anyone they want from the ACC programs they can take. They’d have the money for it. You can rejoice all you want if FSU and Clemson loses but under the circumstances of the new contracts, the ACC is done regardless. It’s only a matter of time. And what I find disingenuous, is that if NC State had a solid landing spot I bet you’d be singing a different tune.

[@trick7884]

Kenton is disingenuous and ignorant Going to cost tens of millions per school to settle the House lawsuit. Going to cost tens of millions more PER YEAR to start the revenue sharing which the House settlement proposes Also completely discredits the effects of P2 having a half BILLION more conference revenue than acc schools thru 2036, or that the p2 is inching closer to a breakaway and/ or p2-only football and basketball postseason (or, at the very least, grabbing more power, access, and money from each)

[@rx2878]

Psychos need leave Kenton alone with the BS talkin points

[@dannyvalles6624]

$180 million is the most FSU paying

[@Doc_Boots]

Yesterday had some neat articles from all the major sports writers about the proposed new athlete compensation model. Didn’t have nice things to say about how it will affect the ACC

[@brittanysteven4978]

Non lawyers talking about complicated nuanced legal matters is always hilarious. But you’re an ACC show so this is all expected.

[@xrexc3179]

A single point that both FSU and Clemson are claiming thats pretty undeniable....the conference has not held up its feduciary duties to its member institutions. Pretty simple really. And when they were completely okay with being paid about half of what the 2 big conferences get from the new playoff format that demonstrated this point alll too well

[@user-ot2in8kc1l]

Alex, in the same Leon County hearing you referenced, the ACC attorney lied and said the ACC held the grant of rights even if ESPN didn’t extend their media rights. The GOR specifically states the GOR is linked directly to the ESPN contract, not the ACC.

[@edl7454]

ACC attorney boasted about its academic performance in the Leon county courtroom. What does that have to do with the Magic Espn contract that is so secretive?

[@trick7884]

Acc attorney didn't lie. Espn does not retain FSU or Clemson's rights after they leave the acc All 3 of FSU, Clemson, and the acc - agree on this point

[@edl7454]

It's about time to end this clown conference. I think NC state has a SEC landing spot if they ever decide to go that route. I don't feel sorry for the Wake and BC contingent. They have been overpaid for way too long and have zero value outside the ACC.

[@whit1678]

Seems like a conflict of interest for two ACC team podcasters to host Locked on ACC…I think everyone can figure out why…if not…just give this episode a listen..😂

[@trick7884]

Kenton thinking the delay in mediation is nearly time to put on his acc victory dancing shoes is done of the dumbest 💩 ever The court case will continue while mediation goes on in the background, regardless of any delays in mediation or not. And it's not like mediating right now would even be beneficial. Neither case is even arguing the merits yet. It will likely be at least a few months before mediation could actually result in a settlement

[@dannyvalles6624]

Kenton looks so sad. Maybe because NC State doesn’t have anywhere to go but Big 12

[@Lynnagain]

He looks so angry. 🤣 Mad his football team isn't wanted anywhere outside of the Carolinas. If the acc dissolves, they will go somewhere but not because they're wanted.

[@trick7884]

He needs to put his indoor sunglasses back on so we don't see his tears

[@buddyherrington2132]

Wow, the hate is real!!!

[@KatyAlmond-gb9jo]

Good morning Alex! Good morning Hammer! 👋

[@stephenhill1131]

Kenton is not going to let you Manti te'o him 😂😂😂

[@RA19931999]

1. These two sound like fans of teams that dont have a a place to go if ACC teams are allowed to leave. The bias is strong. 2. FSU already has a PE firm lined up for facilities and the exit fee(if need be). These guys are either uniformed or being disingenuous. 3. If more money isnt needed, then why are you pressing FSU and Clemson on the exit fee and GOR? "What more do you want?". Right? The ACC is full of small minded programs. Quit with the crab mentality and get out of the way of programs trying to compete on a national level now and into the future.

[@malcolmjones27]

Man, STFU! FSWho is going to get taught a very hard lesson here soon. Keep that same energy when this is all done.

[@vistatiger7493]

It's funny watching the other ACC moochers squirm that have been living off Clemson and FSU. Invest in your own programs and do something on the national stage in football to improve the conference.

[@basedjiren3889]

Brody no one is loaning FSU 500 million, otherwise they'd have never sued in the first place

[@rx2878]

63-3. CFP committee got it right. poverty program. 😢

[@jamesb0255]

Do you like living in a dream world? ​@@rx2878

[@PatCrow]

I saw somewhere that FSU is working to float bonds to finance the buyout.

[@AlvinBeard]

FSU ain't floating no dang bonds for a buyout they already have the money

[@davidfloyd9134]

Acc is done

[@thomaschrischapman64]

ACC is DONE………

[@jcfilms4433]

This all leads to settlement

[@davidfloyd9134]

Kenton knows NCST doesn’t have any options. Big12 doesn’t even want them

[@jamesrawson241]

I don’t have a dog in that fight, I am a Mississippi State fan, however, it occurs to me that even the SEC may be interested in North Carolina state. I don’t know what makes you think that the big 12 doesn’t want them as everything. I listen to big 12 says they do.

[@thearchitectO1]

Damn, Kenton looks defeated. Head high big bro. This will be over by June. I’ll say this, the money the left overs get will be equivalent to a candy high. That money wont last long enough. FSU/Clemson are gone.

[@TallyHo850]

You guys are going to be looking for a new job lol Candace got the picture 😂😂😂😂😂

[@basedjiren3889]

What happened to Candace

[@Cap-ku6ok]

Let me go and get that Krispy Kreme app.

[@Almighty5-ww1kl]

Well Alex get ready to pony up if FSU loses, not saying FSU is going to lose but if they do, all tax payers are going to have pay up , so all Miami , UF , UCF fan , or any other fan of any team in Florida that lives in Florida , so all this heat coming from Alex , you better hope FSU wins its case or even in a settlement the tax payers going have to pay up so even in settlement you better hope it’s cheap cause it’ll come out of the tax payer pocket

[@trick7884]

What are you talking about?! The taxpayers would not for the bill. And donno's wrong about his taxes funding FSU's stadium renovation, too Just an ignorant cane taking a shot because his favored school is going to be left behind

[@Almighty5-ww1kl]

@@trick7884 obviously you haven’t heard what the Florida AG said , that’s why she specifically said she wants all the documents of the taxpayers of Florida are going to have to pay a half billion dollars to get out , Go look up what she said , I didn’t make that up , so that shows how much you dnt know

[@KatyAlmond-gb9jo]

Carson Beck will win the Heaisman. Being DEVELOPED by Kirby Smart and Mike Bobo matters. 😁

[@stephenhill1131]

Also, don't forget being a fake student and fan matters .mental health in America is real and katyalmond is a great example.😅😅

[@KatyAlmond-gb9jo]

​@@stephenhill1131Hey lil sponsor paid troll! I'm happen to contribute .20cents toward your daily Happy Meal. 🤣

[@KatyAlmond-gb9jo]

​@@stephenhill1131It's my favorite sponsor troll! I'm more than happy to contribute 20 cents to your daily Happy Meal. You're welcome! 🤣🤣🤣

[@KatyAlmond-gb9jo]

​@@stephenhill1131It must get awfully lonely in your mommy's basement lil fella. You should really stay off of those incel sites. They're giving you a really bad attitude. 🤣🤣🤣

[@KatyAlmond-gb9jo]

​@@stephenhill1131You really should get out of your mommy's basement more often. 😁😁😁

[@artpowers812]

don't need discovery, The contract is between the ACC and the media company is based on the independent GOR which fully empowered the ACC to take the actions they did. So the contract needs to be shelved until the GOR is fully challenged in court and either stands up or it doesn't. And for the ones desperately wanting the ACC to die, The snippets of the contract say that if a team leaves then ESPN is under no obligation to the ACC to collect those GOR fees.

[@seminoldschool7032]

…that’s a neat fake thing you just completely made up lol.

[@artpowers812]

@@seminoldschool7032 The made up LOL thing is that somehow a media contract, which no individual team signed dictates to the conference to let somebody get out of the GOR the media required. Face the whole thing, FSU is worth more than they get from the ACC contract. But that does not mean they get to walk away from a a legitimate GOR with on reason. And no matter the FSU "value" they are bound by the GOR unless some court says they are not.

[@Almighty5-ww1kl]

@@artpowers812regardless if FSU pay 0$ or $900 billion , they are leaving and the ACC won’t survive, ACC is done when this current deal in 27 is up

[@artpowers812]

@@Almighty5-ww1kl The ACC will survive just like the XII has, certainly not P2 level though,

[@Almighty5-ww1kl]

@@artpowers812 being G5 if you call that still being around good luck with that , ACC didn’t get respect with FSU / Clemson what makes you think they going be something when they leave

[@mr.valentine8399]

Rueban Bain DPOY

[@edl7454]

Spell his name right

[@mr.valentine8399]

@@edl7454 Rueben* hows that? 🖕🏼

[@terryfox9344]

As I listened to Donno's description of Clemson's amended complaint, I thought, "That's absurd!", and then I asked myself what would I say in an amended complaint if I were representing Clemson, and I thought, "I might make the very same arguments, because that would be my job." My conclusion is that the ACC has a very, very strong case, but I never wager on the outcome of a lawsuit. Oh, and I totally agree with you Kenton, that this is all about what the contract says. The stuff about "sovereign immunity" is absolute garbage, but again, it is "garbage" that I would regurgitate if I were representing Clemson.

[@trick7884]

It's not absurd. The gor literally says it's only for the "rights necessary to perform the contractual obligations of the espn agreement" And the acc attorney - in court - stated: "Espn doesnt have the right to broadcast anything once FSU leaves the conference. The conference holds those rights," and "Espn's got no right whatsoever to broadcast those games once FSU leaves. The conference still holds the rights" So the acc literally agrees with FSU and Clemson that espn only has rights to conference institutions, which no longer applies once a school withdraws. And the gor literally says the acc is only granted the rights necessary for the espn agreement, which the acc agrees no longer applies once a school leaves It's genuinely just two poorly worded contracts. Espn signed one. The acc signed both. And now schools likely have a legal and penalty free exit from the gor

[@whit1678]

Would be interesting to hear your take on how federal tax dollars are being spent. I wonder if you’re passionate about that?

[@rx2878]

Disappointing. Thought Clemson was going to bring some heat. Very weak and specious argument presented by Clemson here and it looks so silly. Clemson is trying to use real estate laws? Clemson really just wants more money.

[@user-lm2jo8gx2j]

Very weak to comment on things we don't know the facts. Unless you know what's in the GOR. We don't know how strong Clemson or FSU arguments are.

[@rx2878]

@@user-lm2jo8gx2j Basic Business Law?

[@KatyAlmond-gb9jo]

Before you say it Alex, Cam Ward is not going to win the Heisman. The guy is on his 3rd team, has won 12 total D1 games., and turned the ball over 19 times in 1 season. And before that lame OL talking point has lost shelf life. Shadeur Sanders threw 2 fewer passes than Cam and turned the ball over 3 times behind a worse OL.

[@wlthomas8]

Just so you have correct stats for your argument: Ward had 15 TOs (7 INTs, 8 FBL) and Sanders had 5 TOs (3 INTs, 2 FBL).

[@stephenhill1131]

Hmmmm, I wonder why all these programs wanted cam then ? Even the great norvell lol

[@KatyAlmond-gb9jo]

​@@wlthomas8From 'Inside the U'...Ward also had some fumbling issues in 2023, according to PFF, with the analytic company crediting him with 14 fumbles on the year. Ward had a four fumble game against Colorado State and a three fumble game against Cal. In his college career, Ward has fumbled it 46 times, according to PFF. You've now been schooled.You're welcome! 😁

[@wlthomas8]

@@KatyAlmond-gb9jo do your own research. Fumbles, and fumbles lost are 2 different things. Just like dropped INTs only count as PBU. Sanders had 5 Fumbles, but only 2 Fumbles lost. Ward had 8 Fumbles lost. #gobacktoschool

[@edl7454]

@@stephenhill1131 Turnover machine and he will not be developed in his short stay at Miami. He should have begged Norvell but money was more important . Mario won't even teach him to take a knee in a victory formation.

[@basedjiren3889]

People are starting to wake up to the fact that Clemson and FSU dont have as strong of a case as they lead people to believe and that thats the reason UNC and Miami havent joined them in the lawsuits

[@mattcaruthers7832]

Maybe maybe not but if you keep this going to 2025 when the contract expires and won’t be renewed then that’s a wrap and they walk for next to nothing .

[@jcfilms4433]

@@mattcaruthers7832 exactly, ESPN is not renewing without certainty from Clemson/FSU

[@DavidM442]

Maybe. Still FSU has aired enough malfeasance of the ACC and ACC attorneys have lied so frequently in court that no one will believe the ACC in the future. Yes, schools signed the initial GOR and an amendment but not the most recent amendment that revised the GOR. Sounds like only the ACC commissioner signed the latest revised agreement.

[@Almighty5-ww1kl]

FSU/Clemson case might be stronger than you thank

[@AlvinBeard]

Must be some good stuff you smoking

[@DavidStarr-eg2kv]

Step up Miami, Go Noles

[@jolleypc]

Wow really bad review