Arborist lanyards - How to choose the right setup

[@Coopsgarage33]

Would love to see a hands on demo of the different ways you use your lanyard in the tree.

[@williamsolomon1307]

Thank you so much for sharing. I am always looking for ways to become more efficient in the tree. So any info that makes my life easier is much appreciated.

[@ClimbingArborist]

🤙efficiency is key

[@himhim3344]

I wholeheartedly agree with switching to a pully lanyard setup asap. It makes such a huge difference being able to make adjustments one-handed.

[@ClimbingArborist]

Absolutely

[@treblebass8049]

thanks man, that was awesome. nice to see the history and development and also you touching upon some of the various hardwares. I'm a knots guy so it's nice to see more about mechanical equipment, and knots/combos etc too. I'm still learning, always. cheers.

[@shanebrewster2384]

You nailed it! Spoke to me personally on several levels, thank you. Now I know what to do with my excess lanyard; tried the ditty bag, daisy-chain, letting it dangle- now I have an accessory carabiner with a prussic holding the two extra loops for me fastened nicely to my harness! I may have a loop too much as I opted for a 30’ lanyard and know I can always cut off a jag if need be.. Awesome wisdom, shared freely. Much appreciated.

[@ClimbingArborist]

I’m glad you found this video useful on multiple points, I was hoping there would be some useful stuff in there. Thanks for you comment buddy 🤙

[@agnesmolnar5994]

Great video again, Dan! Having been a speleologist in the past and thus experienced with rope techniques, I love seeing/trying all kinds of equipment. Must admit I was a bit hesitant about the Art Positioner 2 on my lanyard at first, but I actually absolutely love it!

[@biglog987]

Cant wait to see the change over the years, love to know your go to gear for climbing and rigging! Cheers mate!

[@jeffreytasende3059]

Great video as always! It’s awesome seeing the progression. I’m using the zillion now and it’s pretty perfect.

[@ClimbingArborist]

Awesome

[@ThePhillipnielsen]

Thanks for the video. Its confusing to be new in this crazy gear race, so glad to watch a lot of video about All the different types!

[@dragan3290]

Excellent video. I'm training in Arboriculture in Australia. Cheers

[@anthonybennallack9087]

Have you tried the shizill rope slide? Look into it.

[@jrstrange123]

Thoroughly enjoyed the talk!

[@treedom5094]

Haven't gotten to too extreme a lanyard length thus far and I find myself still wanting keep on play around more with further extending the length of lanyard to beyond 6m (20') ... enough to have generous lengths available for use in two separate legs, it's so great to get that triangulated stability. Might get to 10m, I am not so opposed personally to having the length stowed away on me side. I'd first come across DEDA (double-ended double-adjustable) a while back now on on-line forums, which prompted my interest in expanding the lanyard potential ... keen to keep experimenting with placements for the pulley-tended friction hitches / carabiners. Also - borrowing from the V-rig idea (with a carabiner capturing the middle of the line on centre in MRS) and adapting for use the lanyard context seems worth experimenting with too. Good discussion to have. Cheers.

[@JimJamJammer]

Awesome!! I'm still a bit confused because I am....😀the best way as you say is to experiment with options to suss what is good for you and intended purposes. The trees I climb are rather tricky because of their nature of having tons of branches so I prefer a clean, safe and practical system. I just wish we had it regulated here in Kenya so that people are educated about tree feeling techniques. A lot have been injured seriously from lack of education and equipment. You may have the will but lack the knowledge! Again, good videos and I'm certainly learning a lot from you.

[@dprevish100]

Thanks for the video. There is such a myriad of options available. I have used many of the same systems. I have to say I really like my art positioner on my lanyard, which is a two and one. I have not yet solved figuring out a good hitch that will not lock up under heavy sap on conifers up here in Oregon and on the the central part of the state the Western Juniper. Any ideas would be helpful. I actually bring up a rag that has a smattering of olive oil on it, this has been my only plan!

[@rrssmooth6643]

climbing friction hitch on center ring, as well as working with lanyard, good idea as a combo.

[@Anubisrunner08]

hey Dan, at some point could you do a video talking about HAVS?, any past experiences you've had with it and what you do to minimize the risks working with chainsaws day in and day out thanks buddy, love the content as always

[@leoga8521]

Can you make a video on do you set up your lanyard on your saddle?

[@1975dbryant]

As usual, very informative and helpful. Curious what you'll think about the Petzl Zillon when you're ready. I've used mine little but now you've talked me into useing my poor hitch climber that's been collecting dust. Love the accessory biner idea for managing lanyard tail. I'm 45 1st year climbing. I'm passionate about it. Fascinated about the devices, applications and techniques to make the best office space in the world safe and cozy on an old green horn. I salute you Hoss.

[@ClimbingArborist]

If you have a Zillon don't abandon it. I've heard very good things about them. Thanks for your comment buddy, Climb safe...

[@richkellett2418]

You can also use that Dmm thimble and a carabiner to choke round a thin spar that you’re spiking up, saves wrapping the lanyard round. Nifty little bit of kit.

[@raphaelbeinhauer9242]

I'm using a 4m 11mm kernmantle lanyard, with a cinch, perfectO for compactness, and RE pirate wire-eye on the termination end. I have absolutely nothing I would want to change about it, except for the lack of certification with the cinch, that's a problem for me at times. I use a hitch climber setup then. I don't use my lanyard that much though, I need to use a wire-core when using a chainsaw. Upgrading to a positioner on that soon. One thing I never really got was the prusik for choking, I either directly choke the biner if the limb is large enough, or I take one wrap around the spine of the carabiner. I had a 6mm sewn prusik loop on my lanyard for a time, but it just got in the way and was not needed.

[@Velcrostraps91]

All the tree guys hitting subscribe quick af. Lol. 🤣

[@ClimbingArborist]

😂🤣😆 You know it!!

[@Cholton222]

Well planned. Good video

[@dakotabryson5465]

Thanks for video. I like drt climbing best rn. Got a distel on my main climb line with pulley and bought the notch rook 20ft positioning lanyard. Its great cause it can be used as a mini climb system when advancing up line. Helps ascend a little quicker in my opinion. Still keep my trustee 12ft 2 in 1 with prusick and pulley with me too. Always got the old school blakes hitch setup in the back pocket for tying in with tail end of my climb line if needed

[@danherron977]

Thank you again for all your input greatly appreciate it

[@ClimbingArborist]

Glad you you like the video

[@TimberTrainer]

Cinch with 10mm will also work srt with a foot ascender. It's handy for traverses with a throwing hook.

[@moonshot1999]

Nice guide😎do you have one on fliplines ?

[@ChrisTietjen_00]

Very helpful video. Thanks!

[@chrisflannery5546]

You should include a picture of the things you are talking about so we can get an idea of what it looks like. Some of us just started

[@dang5351]

I'm really surprised that you like the Sirius in the Cinch! Personally I hated that combo so much and it gave me so much trouble that I literally gave the Cinch away after having it lock up on me numerous times (Sirius was my only 10mm rope). I'm glad it works for ya but man I couldn't stand it. Great video BTW, I just recorded a lanyard video myself showing all my different setups.

[@ClimbingArborist]

I like the Sirius for how easily it runs through the cinch, I've noticed it's not often that i release the lanyard under full weight, which is maybe the difference between our opinions possibly. Thanks for the comment, I'll be sure to check out your video too...

[@Daniel08353]

I appreciate your explanation of your experience with each type you have used; why you used it; and why you switched to different ones. I’m glad you posted this on KZbin, that I can change the playback speed to 1.75x-2x speed. It was exhausting to listen to with your lengthy explanations; but it worked great at a faster speed. 🙂 Maybe I’m impatient. 😆 regardless, the speed control on KZbin is nice 🙂; and your info was very helpful 👌🏼 thank you!

[@markfeist1312]

Petzl zillon... Smooth as silk, not affected by muck or sap, grabs instantly, can be used double and single rope, and buy their swivel for it too. Made my climbing life infinitely better!

[@sebastiaankah5834]

Super nice video, thx for showing me around the lanyards! The question I have after watching is why do you clip it to the D's? I personaly use ore a realy long lanyard but clip it to the ring of the bridge or the art posisioner 2 with a few meter of rope. But why is it nice to clip it to the D's instead of the top rings on the hip wich i tipically use?

[@ClimbingArborist]

More comfortable on the lower Ds because it shares the weight between the lower back and legs. The pressure when connected to the upper Ds is all on the lower back

[@sebastiaankah5834]

@@ClimbingArborist i recently tried it while breaking down a tree. Indeed, spreads the waight better and is super comfy. Ill try it more often thx!

[@BigBergJohnson]

I started using the akimbo as a lanyard adjuster after seeing you do it, it’s great as a lanyard but hated it as an srt device

[@j.debolt]

I climb on the unicender, then switch to the akimbo for chunking down a spar, super small and keeps you as tight to the spar as you want. Don’t really trust the akimbo for moving around in the canopy, but great for staying super close to the trunk.

[@MrMoekanz]

A v.t. and a pulley on your lanyard? Could you do a video on that because I haven't aclue what you're talking about

[@daines246]

Really interesting, thanks for that. Just wondering why you need the thimble on the prusik as in 17:30 - can you not just connect the carabiner directly to the prusik? Also, how do you connect a prusik to the thimble, or do you just buy them already made up? Can't seem to find the DMM thimble with prusik anywhere!

[@ClimbingArborist]

You can just connect to a prussik, it is just a little more efficient with the thimble eye. You need to buy them like that, DMM and sterling make them for sure

[@jjhoffy]

@@ClimbingArboristcan you make a tutorial on how to make it, I’ve never climbed before but I’m slowly buying all my gear, just need my lifeline and lanyard now

[@kamishininoyari46]

Where do you get the Sirius rope from? That red and black is super nice.

[@bengesell]

How long of a prusik do you need, eye to eye, and what diameter do you recommend for tying a VT into your lanyard with a DMM hitch climber?

[@hosocat1410]

Great overview. Thanks!

[@fish_is_life]

Hi, very useful video and thanks for the explanations. at 9:55 you're are presenting your day to day lanyard but I can't catch the name of the device (light green) you installed on it, can you please give me the name please ?

[@jamiebird1310]

Hey man 👋 I've come across you lanyard video very helpful as I'm looking for a new set up, I have a question though 15ft are you going for a 4m or 5m lanyard ?? Cheers Jamie

[@Maczust63]

I like a long lanyard with the hitch climber so I have 2 climbing systems. 150' hitch climber and a 25 foot hitch climber.

[@andyhall3122]

Where did you get the arborist toy hanging to the right in the intro

[@austin_h]

Where did you get that climbing figure that's hanging on a string beside you?

[@mikehunt2667]

Where do u get the rubber stopper thing for your biner on the eye ?

[@ClimbingArborist]

DMM

[@jthadcast]

could i use a static rope for the lanyard? (answered at 23:00)

[@ClimbingArborist]

Like a KM111 ? Yes, but there not a huge benefit as the rope will only be a few metres long

[@carontoc]

Thanks for the great videos! They got me started in climbing. Can you explain the purpose of what appears to be a second lanyard, but set up as a climbing line? (or point me to a video) What is it for? Secondary safety? Emergency descent? What do you call it? Many thanks again for sharing your knowledge and experience!

[@ClimbingArborist]

When tree climbing you should always have your primary rope setup, and then a lanyard which is typically 12-18ft long. This allows you to tie on before you disconnect your main rope for various reasons that may require you too. Also you want your lanyard for use with chainsaws as well as to get you in a stable work position.

[@johnbehling1142]

I'm not sure off the top of my head if it's an OSHA reg, or I read it somewhere else as a best practice, but I always carry 2 lanyards when climbing on spurs. It's worth the extra 30 seconds to tie in with a second lanyard before you go swinging that chainsaw near your primary. I usually set my secondary a bit below my primary- just in case. When on rope, that is my secondary when sawing. Stay safe, and keep asking good questions. 🙂

[@carontoc]

Thanks! Yes it makes sense to have a back up safety line. Is there an advantage to using a climbing setup as a second connection to the tree instead of a second lanyard? Also, what is your setup for your climbing line backup?

[@carontoc]

My confusion is in understanding how the primary rope system is being used when climbing with spurs? Is it solely as a second safety? Or are there other reasons/advantages for the primary rope system & 1 lanyard, instead of 2 lanyards?

[@johnbehling1142]

@@carontoc It's not a "which is better" answer. You always have to tailor your approach to what the tree's characteristics require. Sometimes we have to get creative. Normally we only wear spurs on something being removed, so in most cases there is nothing left above you to be tied into on rope, unless there is another stem or nearby tree worth using. If you're just starting out, the 3-stand lanyards are fine, and they're relatively inexpensive, and tough. To me their only major con is you have to move the prussic around the tree to shorten the length, which is where the more advanced lanyards discussed in this video excel. When you're in the earlier learning stages, though, keep things simple. IMO, your technique should be ahead of your gear. Good gear doesn't make a good climber; practice does. Upgrade your gear when you run into scenarios where your current setup is holding you back. Hope this helps.

[@robertboone2644]

I started climbing with a three strand for about 10yrs using a cats paw knot just realized got to be a better way

[@FT4Freedom]

Yah. The hitch choice isn't about your favorite knot to tie. The hitch is about the friction between the two ropes. This is why it's good to know a variety of hitches.

[@Beerbatter1962]

Do you mind specifying what hitch cord you are using with your blue moon lanyard? Thanks for the discussion I learned a few things.

[@ClimbingArborist]

Teufelberger Epicord 9.3mm

[@Beerbatter1962]

Thank you sir.

[@Beerbatter1962]

One more question if you don't mind. What length would you recommend for a VT hitch, 11.7mm rope, and a tending pulley just as you have. Thanks again man. Love all your stuff.

[@KevinF604]

I find it strange that there is little mention of 5/8 steel core flip lines and micro grabs etc. a very small percentage of the work in the west coast is wide hardwood prunes where setups like these make sense. 15 foot steel core with mechanical grab is standard, can take spring out for one hand adjustment

[@ClimbingArborist]

Little mention of steel core because I use them about 0.01% of the time. If I used them I would certainly talk about them. We all have our own niche types of work we do with our companies, and mine isn't typically 90cm + DBH Fir trees.

[@reubentrapp]

yeah blocking down a spar with a 11.7mm lanyard freaks me out, dont like it lol! 5/8 wire is awesome for spar work. but i learned a lot here about rope lanyard work which i tried a lot in 2020 thanks Dan

[@blakefollett]

What length of Epicord do you run?

[@ClimbingArborist]

30” I think

[@nate2838]

So how does the luck work if your already subscribed? Does it default to bad luck? Humor aside, thank you for the content you put out, it has helped me a lot in developing my climbing.

[@christiandamke]

Why don't you use a steel core lanyard for chainsaw work?

[@ClimbingArborist]

I personally would only ever use steel core flip line when I really need to 'Flip' up a large diameter tree, which is not often. I hate steel core lanyards for every other aspect of tree work so that is why I didn't mention them.

[@christiandamke]

Climbing Arborist Yeah i don't like them either, however i do know that they are much safer when you are working with chainsaws. At least where i live they are even mandatory as a chainsaw operator. Thats why its always kinda weird to see you working with textile. Other than that good video tho!

[@fhudo]

I use Art 2 swivel positioner on both a steel core flip line as well as a 15ft tachyon line. Great setup!

[@johnbehling1142]

@@christiandamke They may be required there, but the belief that steel cores are saw-resistant had been disproved by plenty of fallen arborists. You may notice that the manufacturers no longer say they are cut resistant, just that they flip better. I have read that the US Forestry Service uses steel cables, aka wire rope, but not sure how they adjust them. Must be a bear to haul around. Stay safe.

[@christiandamke]

John Behling They may not be cut-proof but they definately provide a good amount of resistance in comparison to a textile lanyard, as you can see in plenty of videos here. I get that they aren't comfortable to work with but thats the case with most types of safetygear..

[@75MalcolmX]

I didnt even have a landyard, just both ends of the rope with prussiks. Three strand with a willans t22 harness. Then came the gibbs ascender on a flip line.

[@ClimbingArborist]

I also climbed in a Williams T22 when I first started

[@75MalcolmX]

@@ClimbingArborist you could get this big metal spreader for between the d rings. Weighed about 10 tons but it stopped the leg squeeze. A really cool gadget in the 70's was the hiebler stai klemmer, it was like a shunt and tree surgeons would use it instead of a prussik. There is a photo of Pete with it in Peter Bridgmans book on tree surgery. I wonder what they would of made of todays gear.

[@gregspangler5155]

thankyou for your nolege

[@llewynransom7908]

Jokes on you, I already have bad luck with the throwball

[@syrnik11]

Thanks:)

[@ClimbingArborist]

No problem!

[@thebarn-cat9093]

If I can not fit none of my buckstraps around the tree, I end up throwing my climbing line around the tree and start spuring up.

[@maxgover2990]

Throwball bad luck 😰😰😰 don’t need anymore of that 😭😭🤣

[@julianalderson6996]

Not a great climber but art works for me like it

[@turtlezed]

Zat you puttin ya gypsy curse on us all Dan!?

[@turtlezed]

Haha I've still got some spearmint I downgraded after damage to a very capable pull line.....great rope.

[@waynegriswold8953]

what the hell is throw ball?

[@ClimbingArborist]

A weighted ball that you throw

[@julianalderson6996]

Zillion looks good to just more chance of something getin in it. Then yer

[@elegastboomverzorging810]

20:07 hehe doodoo

[@deadwood3887]

7 years of throw ball bad luck oh I better subscribe cause I suck at throw ball

[@Chance-vo1ng]

Damn man i wish you would have edited that out now i can't trust a single thing you say

[@ClimbingArborist]

🤷‍♂️

[@Chance-vo1ng]

@@ClimbingArborist did anyone else catch it? Lol I wasn't serious bro but I figured it was worth giving you a hard time about it