Positioning Lanyard basics | Gear Review | Petzl Zillon vs ART vs Wire Core, Hipstar Flex

[@roddenmcgowan]

I just the other day put an ART Positioner 2 (with the proper "clutch") on a 13mm wire core flip-line and I found it very energy saving for me as an old guy working on blocking down a spar.

[@jamesmooney5348]

Great video. To the point. Easy to understand and not irritating, nor clouded with bs. Thanks

[@fightington]

Awesome video man. I love you tree guys, way more into gear than the riggers of my industry

[@jimmydupres1847]

Awesome video bro, just about time was going for another lanyard, thanks bro keep them coming your the best.

[@timeorspace]

I've been reading and shopping a lot about lanyard systems and this one answers 90% my questions. Thank You!

[@chadmako4636]

Just ordered some tritech for my zillon because of this vid. Should be here in a couple of days, and I can't wait to give it a try.

[@sergioorozco8472]

Hola buenos días. Muy agradecido por tus enseñanzas. Soy de Buenos Aires Argentina. La poda y el arborismo es mi pasión. Y todo lo que enseñas, me sirve para mi seguridad. Muchaa gracias

[@PiperDowns]

Ha! I have an old hitch hiker two in my gear bag. Exact reason I watch these videos. They always show me new ways to use stuff I already have

[@chillipphi]

A friend of mine uses a Unicender with an extra rope keeper on the lowest arm. Works great and is rated for SRS and MRS. The only issues are the price and longevity. I heard a rumor that the Unicender 2.0 is coming out this year and I'm really looking forward to seeing that

[@akshayprabhu9432]

Does he find the rope slips at all? I've been trying to do this as well and could use some tips

[@OTEP1234567891011]

The Yale wire core lanyards are galaxies beyond the climb right and other lanyards. They use a Flemish splice and not just a crimp.

[@stevefarley7014]

Thank you. I bought a zillion based on this. I’ve been amazed at the unit.

[@timotheefournie9018]

Nice set up. How do you organise the green rope behind you when you are on the tree ? I mean do you set up it in dasychain ? Do you have a bucket or something, or you juste let it down ? It is always a problème for me to organise my lanyard during climbing cause I really don't like to have it everywhere or keep a long part of it too close to my leg.

[@hosocat1410]

Wesspur is still selling hitch hiker 2. I dont know if hh is still manufacturing, or if wesspur is just selling old stock. Thanks for your great vids.

[@Stridertrees]

Good call, looks like you’re right!

[@dannybenzel9048]

I absolutely love these videos- As the audience may have guessed the best work positioning lanyard was not made to be a lanyard :) Who used Hitchhiker 2 as their primary secondary system?

[@wisniewskijan4839]

Very good video 🍿😎📺 Thanks for the easy understanding explanation 🦥👍 What do you think of the art positioner combined with a steelcore lanyard ?

[@TUFF93ryley]

Seems like having versatile lanyards is the trend these days.

[@justinjones9255]

To the best of my knowledge I don’t think you have done the FU video about using the thimble on a prusik for 2 in 1 lanyard etc. think you can do one soon?

[@BRENDANTHERED]

I second that request! I just purchased that thimble, and have it all set up, ready to use when I need it. I got the 8mm thimble and managed to fit 9.5 mm cordage through it.

[@Woodman_Custom_Sawing]

I'm new to climbing and located on the east coast so trees have large canopies. The long lanyard has been a game changer for me but I have been struggling to refine the double lanyard system. Specifically, I'd like to minimize the setback of my 2-way prusik but want it to have a swivel. I bought the tri-action snap like you have but, with a sewn eye prusik hoping to use it as my middle point on my lanyard. Unfortunately the length of the snap combined with the sewn prusik makes it terribly long with close to 10-12" setback when tending (I usually run my micro pulley on a separate carabiner behind my D ring so I can take it off easilly if I use the other end of my lanyard)... Should I give up the idea of incorporating the swivel? Maybe I should consider one of those bi-directional rope grabs? I'd like to hear your thoughts. Thanks.

[@Stridertrees]

Using a different friction hitch can make a big difference on sit back, but there really is no good way to avoid it entirely with rope hitches. There is a 2 direction mechanical rope grab some guys like and it grabs quick with little to no sit back add a petzl semi-permanent swivel and you’d be golden. I’ll see if I can find the name of that device.

[@alirice2647]

Think it may be the Gibbs Klimair? Haven't used one personally so can't rate it. Bit pricier than a prusik though!

[@alirice2647]

I think you could get away without the swivel if you pay attention to keeping the rope untwisted by passing the other end of your lanyard the right way each time you progress with it. Neat idea for the pulley on a separate karabiner so you can use it to tend either end of a 2 in 1 lanyard. Isn't it a pain swapping it around each time though?

[@Woodman_Custom_Sawing]

@@alirice2647 I haven't been using it long enough that way to decide yet. I normally dont put it back on if I change ends.

[@Stridertrees]

@@alirice2647 yes it is the Gibbs Klimair I was thinking of ! sherrilltree.com/gibbs-klimair-2-way-swiveling-ascender/ I’ve seen some good video of it but haven’t play with it myself.

[@RangoSauce]

I just bought the Notch Rope Grab for my 21 ft lanyard. The guys at Arbor Fest said it would release under a load but I have a hard time using it as secondary system when getting out far on a limb. Your Mechanical Prusiks looks just like a zig zag almost. It has to work well under a load but who makes it and what is the name? I need that!!!!

[@bee_marshall]

I know you've said before that the zillon is your favourite mechanical device. What rope do you use with it? Of course petzl says to only use their replacement rope for it.

[@thomasrousseau4587]

Great video. Love my ART positioner 2 for removal. Have you ever look at the petzl Grillon?? I use it on my lanyard almost all the time for everything else. It can be use on a single system as well.

[@truthhurts2149]

Do you recommend for begginer. They have used ones on ebay for about 80 with 3 meter rope

[@Snafu26]

@@truthhurts2149 Never buy used gear unless you know who's used it and what it's done. you can't put a price on safety

[@stevestrees6553]

I want that tool chest. Lol. Thx for the info man! 👍

[@_Roasted_Marshmallow]

You should have more subs! 💯💯💯💯

[@MattGlynn]

Great video as always! is that tachyon? (the green rope). I have just ordered a 5M split tail as my main lanyard. Wondering what your thoughts are on it.............Cheers

[@Stridertrees]

The green rope was just some ivy laying around the shop, but it’s very similar to tachyon. 5M is a good length, and tachyon is a good rope but I wouldn’t use it myself for a lanyard because it’s so much less durable than a rope like tritech.

[@MattGlynn]

@@Stridertrees Thanks for the reply, brilliant don't think we can get trittech in the UK which is a shame. Thanks for the info love watching your videos keep it up, climb safe.

[@victorgutierrez5826]

can you tell me what models of "GRABB" do you use in the flip-line . I have the one come with the CORE Flip-Line which I buy in Amazons, but I don' feel like it is safe to climb in about 30 ft high. what GRABB line do you recommend

[@brunoplayfaircal]

Hi mate just wondering have you used tritec with the art positioner? If so how did you find its smoothness?

[@Stridertrees]

I have used the 11mm tritech and it worked well, no complaints.

[@TomStevens.92]

Petzl zillon is only certified for use with the rope that is supplied with. If you check the Petzl technical notice it clearly states this. Meaning if you have an incident where the zillon is the cause or factor of injury/death and it's not with its original or approved replaceable rope then Petzl will not help out at all

[@jeffreytasende3059]

Great video! I have the zillon and love it. I just wish I could replace the lanyard on It without having to cut off one of the spliced ends.

[@nickkeighley4658]

For me this is one of the advantages of the ART positioner, you can remove the cam and install a lanyard with spliced eyes. I use it with a Stein lanyard with a spliced in snap.

[@alexhoeksema9752]

Have you ever tried a ropeman for a mechanical prussic?

[@optimusprimum]

A steel core lanyard with a Gibbs is the greatest combo ever

[@gregmendes1004]

What is the best mechanical adjuster for a wire core lanyard?

[@Stridertrees]

There are MANY options, most are very similar in function. The ART Positioner is especially good as far as wire core adjusters go. www.treestuff.com/art-positioner-2/

[@jefbearden3786]

1st off, thank you sir for your time. Some of it has saved me time and thus money. Do you take donations? I've no problem paying for what your laying down. I dont know what its called but I use the same device on my rope lanyard as you do on your wire rope. Whatever its called it is easy to feed the tail through which is beneficial when using a 25' positioner to move through and elm or tight crotched maple. I then untie the stopper knot and pull the tail all the way out of the device through the tight crotch, let it fall and reinsert it. Some of these elms I've spent 10.5 hours off the ground pruning and every calorie/ minute counts. The last thing I wish to do is unstick a my positioner when retrieving it. Just food for thought.

[@Stridertrees]

Thanks for the feedback :) I’m glad you’ve found it valuable. I haven’t set up any way to donate or anything yet, I suppose I will at some point. If you leave your email on the stridertrees.com website I’ll let you know. I’ve also go several much more in depth training videos about various aspects of tree work in the works that will be available for purchase at some point. I like your idea of the rope grab, I’ve never tried it on anything but wire rope, but I could imagine that working well.

[@kizersousa1155]

great vid and explanations! Just curious, what would you use as the max length on the tri-tex (i.e. 15, 20, 25 ft?)? Looking to see what the sweet spot would be for having a usable lanyard for positioning BUT not so much so that it becomes more of a pain in the tree than its worth. Thanks

[@Stridertrees]

I keep a couple around, but my daily driver is about 12’ and I keep about 6’ of it daisy chained up and only pull it out occasionally.

[@Stridertrees]

I get some extra distance occasionally by using a Munter hitch around the snap and clipping the Zillon to my bridge and use it on a single line. No good for life support but fine for helping positioning.

[@kcfox9514]

Did you learn all this at school or in the field

[@colintinker6949]

Where can I get that Bandit hat? Lol

[@Stridertrees]

Right here cal-line.com

[@braunbaerhh]

ART positioner - so simple and so smooth. And you may replace the brake pads for a low price.

[@Stridertrees]

Yes,it’s a brilliant little device!

[@jefbearden3786]

For any of you who wish to speed up their rigging game, study the "no-knot" used in swiftwater rescue operations and then bring that to the trees. No artist will approve it but its stronger than any running bowline will ever be and can be installed from 16' away from you want rigged

[@FT4Freedom]

This industry is ridiculous. You can make a decent lanyard with three strand twist poly and affordable basic components for less than 50 bucks. And the safety mythos is a huge part of the problem. Go back 30 years and we were using basic steel hardware store clips for our lanyards. Yah sure if you want to be in this tribe go for it. But humans have been climbing trees for a 100k years with vines. Equipment doesn't replace skills and common sense. Ask yourself how you can avoid sending your money to people for things you really don't need.

[@五月爸爸在澳洲]

It is also a part of fun as tool collection even you don’t use them much. Just like the someone’s hobby collection of hats, shoes,bags, knives,books,furniture etc.😊

[@danpowellwoodman]

Need better camera close-ups. Could see your shop and ceiling but not some of your gear. Not trying to be critical just need to see better.

[@-hbwink-6340]

Your lanyard discussion is informative however close in views of the fittings that you were detailing would be much more helpful.

[@mykolajMykolaj]

Rope prussic on pine trees,especially during several days :)