Do YOU Make This HUMILIATING Mistake?!

Have you ever cut a key perfectly and it still doesn't work? What could the problem be?
PJ shares a locksmith tip that will fix this problem and make sure it never happens again!
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0:00- Video Intro
0:57- FIC3 and FIC3 Example
3:13- How to Fix the Problem
4:48- Extra Tip!
5:17- Recap
5:38- Closing
6:03- Bloopers!
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[@johnteague136]

Very informative..tricks of the trade.. there’s a reason why keys are specifically made .. great job !!! Thanks PJ!!! #lockboss

[@RuneInternational]

Jason from SE lock and Key had an other interesting video about key blanks. The angle of the tip might not be perfectly the same, so he had a mailbox key with a no cut on the last position towards the tip, and as the blank had a different tip angle, that key copy could not lift the wafer enough to operate the lock.

[@Mm56677]

That guy’s a butthole in person.

[@joshuasands5545]

And that's a #lockboss tip right there! Thank you PJ!

[@johnfalk6955]

More Valuabl Info for the beginning #LockBoss. Thank You PJ.

[@MrAmarillo8]

Good reminder to double-check the basic info for the key blanks. We all hold our breath when we copy a key for a customer without the lock present to verify that it works. Great video, PJ! #AccessLockKeyLLC #HaulinBrass #LockBoss

[@kthandyman47]

I had this issue when one of the program heads at the college came to me asking for duplicate sets made for their new storage container locks. I didn't catch the problem until I went to try the keys on the lock. I had to grind down both sides of the bow on twelve keys. So far, no complaints.

[@63flight]

Ever since I saved an old star key blank catalog from the 8o's that had a substitute key blank list, I just keep adding to that list with these key blank tidbits. Thanks for another one PJ. 🤓🤓👍👍 #lockboss

[@edparadis1578]

Great stuff PJ, thank you for sharing! #Lockboss

[@nelsonlockandkey9572]

Great #lockboss tip.

[@philherman5209]

Thanks PJ. Great information to add to the tip list! #LockBoss

[@kevinbacon9660]

A great video reminder, PJ. I have actually had that happen cutting padlock keys. #lockbosss

[@tumblersfalllocksport218]

I think that has happened to every #lockboss one time or another. Thankd for the tip PJ.

[@gustavoaltube3353]

Great tips, save money and great bloopers!!!lol #Lockboss

[@carllewis2207]

Thanks PJ great tip! #Lockboss

[@jamesestep76]

Good video on fic1 and fic3. I remember when the Honda 3000 series code. Hd90 the ign lock push in to remove and the head would bottom on ign.thank u James estep #lockboss#lockboss

[@mr_lock_picker6267]

Great video!! Makes you think about looking for the little details. Nice bloopers! #lockboss

[@clksupplies]

Haha, thanks-PJ

[@Chirael]

Great explanation of a really subtle issue that any #lockboss will encounter sooner or later; thanks PJ! 😊

[@curlyq1269]

Good informative video PJ! Thank you! #Lockboss

[@brianogram5194]

I was code cutting LFIC keys the other day with my handy pak-a-punch and for had both the control and operation codes out. I kept mixing up the number for the key I was making and went through three keys not working at all until I realized what I was doing. So much for being a #Lockboss

[@JPA66]

I hate when this happens. Have been bitten by this more than once. Thanks for sharing PJ! #lockboss

[@PocketWomen]

The bloopers crack me up, well done Connor. PJ great tips on that key, thanks for sharing the information, cheers #Lockboss

[@clksupplies]

😂-PJ

[@bearsback5099]

I ran into both problems, Great info my friend. #Lockboss

[@lmars5933]

Great information pj ,seems like we need to order one blank fits all ilco ..#lockboss 😎

[@curley6531]

very good ideas about what to look for befor duplicating a key thanks pj #Lockboss 👍

[@aleksa52]

Thanks for the reminder, detail matters. #lockboss

[@Outshined84]

Great information, and I wish I could say I've never had a similar issue...#LockBoss

[@davidwall6851]

Great information PJ, thx. #Lockboss

[@bobbykendrick2426]

Another great video. Always giving us something to think about and what to look for. Thanks PJ #Lockboss

[@turn-a-keylocksmith4411]

I’ve been there. Thanks for the reminder! #lockboss

[@JoePicksLocksport]

Excellent #lockboss advice. Especially for those of us aspiring to become locksmiths!

[@clksupplies]

💯-PJ

[@davidturner6509]

I’ve run into the millings being too short on an automotive key where I substituted a smaller head key so it would go in a magnetic box. I, like you, checked the cuts and it was dead on…It took a minute or two for me to see the forest in the trees so to speak and realize it was not stopping on the tip. #LockBoss

[@jpmcpinning4255]

Good info as always. Thanks #Lockboss

[@taupe7144]

Nice video PJ, head clearance is important for some work vehicle keys etc. #Lockboss

[@geraldskinner63]

Great tip Guys! Thanks! #lockboss

[@dennischausse3075]

Great tip PJ #lockboss

[@williamc2553]

Good info and makes total sense. But I keep both blanks in stock to give me extra in case of a run on one. #lockboss

[@seanbaker3185]

#Lockboss Was looking at the notch in back of the stop and thought it was that. Thought it was some kind of ward. Didnt think about the bow being in the way 👍

[@countrylockandkeycountrylo2034]

We used to run into that years ago with the X7 x 123s a little longer but the head shape different and then the x210 where you can bypass both of those other keys and just use that one the x210 great thing to share thanks son for thinking of those other people to learn so they don't have to go through what we went through LOL #lockfather

[@rickygoss.1654]

I have made that mistake before and it was inberasing

[@chriscapune7873]

Great info 😀 #Lockboss 🐾🐈‍⬛🐈🐾🇺🇸

[@gkeyman565]

#Lockboss tips...... the more the happier Have a great day

[@zach2763]

Nice tip -- Sometimes it's the simplest things that are most fundamental. That's a good #lockboss mental checklist when duplicating: profile, shoulder/tip stop, bow clearance, sufficient length of millings.

[@clksupplies]

💯-PJ

[@evilarchconservative2952]

Two tips for the price of one. Awesome. #lockboss

[@clksupplies]

💥-PJ

[@johnshelton6043]

Thanks PJ. Great information. I love these informational videos. #LockBoss

[@clksupplies]

Thanks John-PJ

[@everettc.veilleux6341]

As always, more good info! Thanks PJ :) #lockboss

[@clksupplies]

👊-PJ

[@dwiggang4290]

There's a series of rather nice Stanley 24/7 series padlocks that use a modified version of the SC-4 key that lacks the back shoulder so that the key will fit deeper, past the anti-drill plate. Ilco makes a special 1145AST (ST4) blank but a #LockBoss can grind down a standard SC4 (1145A) or, if you repin the lock to use only 5 pins, SC-1.

[@andrewkaufman1081]

Depending on the size of the bow , you can use the key duplicator to grind off the excess material , its also a bit more stable. #lockboss

[@dougkimber21]

Great information, I had this happen to me several years ago by a locksmith. #lockboss

[@lockWK-ij4vu]

I hate grinding key's but there is times where it has to be done. however as much as I like to stand behind every key I cut. if I have to go grinding on it without the lock. I will not guarantee that key. good stuff as usual.

[@clksupplies]

I don't like to either...unless it's necessary-PJ

[@davidteuteberg2685]

Nice informational video, Thanks PJ. #Lockboss

[@clksupplies]

You bet!-PJ

[@pauladen7700]

Yep, very good. #Lockboss

[@pouncerminned863]

Not yet but hopefully now I know what to watch for like a #LockBoss

[@choadstool]

Thanks PJ! This kind of info is gold for those of us who are starting out in this trade. Much appreciated bud! #Lockboss

[@clksupplies]

You bet-PJ

[@bestrafer38]

Another great tip #LockBoss

[@bookwormetcommonsense1920]

Listened to this last night on my way home from work and this is grade A knowledge, thanks! #Lockboss

[@clksupplies]

Thanks-PJ

[@groundzero.]

recessed cylinder with molded plastic bezel around it. Also more difficult to pick. #lockboss

[@lockhak33]

Good advice #LockBoss

[@kingkongcuong]

Good tip. #lockboss

[@jeffhudgins9142]

I remember Ace Hardware cutting Honda keys on the short neck key. I made lots of money in their parking lot correcting their similar mistake. #Lockboss

[@felixmak4727]

Where there's a cylinder plate guard on a door this can render some keys to be more difficult to use. High security brands always make their blanks more elongated to avoid this issue, and so do car keys in general.

[@clksupplies]

Good point-PJ

[@securelk5751]

Nice tip once again. #Lockboss

[@froggypicker]

The next level of this hackery is to use a normal sc4 blank, grind the shoulders back a bit and create the notch for the lfic control pin... Probably not professional but the milling is deep enough past the original shoulder... #lockboss

[@AdamPerkinssnikrepmada]

Thanks #Lockboss

[@dotsllc]

that pretty good i never thought of it that way thanks #lockboss

[@alancorson5778]

That's good to know Thanks #lockboss

[@NateGodin77]

Good tips from a true #lockboss

[@daytonarogers9416]

Great info #Lockboss

[@dansterowts1]

good tip #lockboss

[@kennethjohnson359]

Great advice!!! Thanks pj #LOCKBOSS

[@clksupplies]

🙌-PJ

[@securetechlocksmithco.7383]

Nice tip #Lockboss

[@kookita9]

You definitely need to think outside the box with some key. Sometimes you just have to do what you have to do. Bench grinder here I come! Lol #lockboss

[@clksupplies]

💯-PJ

[@maximumwoof8662]

those are called the "broaching" #LockBoss

[@josephleonard7880]

PJ you always make very informative videos #lockboss

[@clksupplies]

Thanks Joseph-PJ

[@cygnettax4931]

Thanks PJ, that is good for every #lockboss to remember. Not every key we think is the same, sometimes you have to substitute and make adjustments to make it right

[@clksupplies]

💯-PJ

[@yogi-greggibson5005]

That’s interesting. I had that happen on the neutered bow KW1 / KW10 and the SC1 / SC4. Great #LockBoss tip PJ!

[@login666]

No comment #LockBoss JK. Being mobile I get to test keys before selling them. Thanks for key blank tips

[@maryannkolb-eckert4360]

Great info #lockboss

[@upgradeguy3925]

Good vid. Pj I've had to modify the head afterwards to get a better fit/happy customer. Lol. Still embarrassing though. #lockboss

[@aaronveilleux]

This is good to know #lockboss

[@ImGumbyDangit]

🌵🇨🇦 Very interesting. I took my gas cap key to a locksmith to get a copy. They tried a Ilco 1642, it fits, but it does not work. Maybe I can rescue this one after all. #LockBoss 🇨🇦🌵

[@Pyrolock]

Hmm, I was wondering what happened when I bought the blanks on "clearance" as an Oops #lockboss

[@clksupplies]

😂-PJ

[@daveaedion]

So many blanks with little notes written on the tag from lessons learned. #Lockboss

[@edkeel5007]

Great info. #lockboss

[@clksupplies]

🙌-PJ

[@thomasrucker662]

I believe Ilco discontinued the FIC1 in favor of the FIC3. #Lockboss

[@clksupplies]

Yes, JMA still makes the FIC1 -PJ

[@vernondollhopf3249]

I have a problem cutting the FIC 1 and 3 keys can't seam to get the right jaw for them #lockboss

[@clksupplies]

Should be A Jaw-PJ

[@georgeblair7129]

clearly the JMA one is not the correct one. #lockboss

[@josephstein6949]

But where was the broken key you teased on the card? Bad #lockboss LOl

[@clksupplies]

Haha, that was from twisting a key that "should work" but doesn't-PJ

[@newhouselockandkey]

What happens when this scenario happens on a kw1 key

[@clksupplies]

It would be a kw10 using the bottom shoulder-PJ

[@newhouselockandkey]

@@clksupplies thank you

[@locksny]

I hope you sold off all your FIC1 inventory before this video 😀 #Lockboss

[@clksupplies]

😂 don't worry, I will keep extra for you. I know you enjoy grinding them -PJ