Clone Wars in China?!! How does that feel, comrades?

[@CuttingBoardRx]

How do y’all like them apples? Cloned apples 😜

[@NeevesKnives]

One difference is some of The companies don't want you to be honest and won't continue working with you if your honest in many cases, Reate and companies alike do not ask you to say anything nor care if you are honest. I'm honest regardless but it does become an issue if they refuse to deal with you

[@TerminalM193]

Hmmm, MC is in the chat.... I just KNOW IT.....

[@danocancu1678]

Gosh this guy makes absolutely the most informative and precise observations, and I tend to trust facts over anything else, and he provides all the facts! Thanks for being so darn smart and so darn accurate and then sharing it with us simpletons! Oh I just heard him say “my comments section has such smart comments” and then I giggled 🤭 and sent my comment out anyway. I hope someone will say something smart to combat the curve of my comment 😂! I really wish I had a buddy like him to bounce my terrible ideas off of.

[@davidmadrid3453]

He is a great asset to the knife community. His videos are informative and entertaining. Hard to watch some of the other youtubers that are making terribly boring knife videos .... can you say metal complex

[@CuttingBoardRx]

@@davidmadrid3453 I watch MC all the time. Also Neves Knives. Tristate is harder for me, although I hear it’s just a public persona and he’s a really nice guy in his direct social media interactions.

[@CuttingBoardRx]

@@danocancu1678 Thank you for putting smile on my face this morning! You definitely have a knife buddy here! Ask anything you want about knives!

[@The_RC_Guru]

Made in China and someone at the same factory is using the same production line with a bit different materials and selling them 😂. And nobody has realized yet. Because those specs are spooky close.

[@heavyweightsound]

Great video! So informative. Would love to see more clone comparisons.

[@CuttingBoardRx]

@@heavyweightsound thanks for watching!

[@mel87123]

Loved the commentary. Brilliant video.

[@Skwish6952]

Alot Clones have gotten very good as of the past couple years. Honestly the type of materials is the biggest difference on some. You really have to get into the small details to tell you have a counterfeit.

[@CallieCore]

That's true but if you watch this all the way through he essentially proves beyond any reasonable doubt that these are made with the same machining programs in the same factory and the only difference is materials used. He mixes all the parts together when taking them both down and reassembles using a mix of parts from both and it all goes back together perfectly. So this probably isn't really a case of "really good clone" more that this just literally IS a Reate EXO-M made with cheaper materials. Either made by the same people making the expensive Reates or made with Reate's knowledge/permission.

[@darinjenkins7954]

I like it.. ive got a few great clones..

[@12345678927164]

The dragon eats its own tail, as always.

[@CuttingBoardRx]

@@12345678927164 as long as there’s a pusher, there’s always a buyer.

[@mel87123]

"It's not total shi#, but it is kind of shi#y"🤣

[@CuttingBoardRx]

That could actually be said about many things in life!

[@bahjinelson3986]

The phenomena of positive reviews for every new knife that comes out, even from unproven Chinese makers, is a huge red flag. KZbinrs somewhat act as the balancing weight and the voice of the consumer. As such, my expectation would be for KZbinrs, and those on similar journalistic platforms, to challenge quality and cost of the products they review. It feels like the EDC community has strayed far from this and impartiality. I appreciate the honesty!

[@CuttingBoardRx]

@@bahjinelson3986 The difference is: I’m satisfied with advertisement revenue that I get from Amazon - about $280-380 per month - since I’m not planning to make a living off KZbin! But these other guys are scraping an actual living! The funny part is they work their asses off for the chinamen and greasy retailers, yet they are the cheapest advertising platform for the industry! What they don’t realize is how easily they can be replaced by another slew of aspiring yout’s and/or AI as soon as the industry decides they are too expensive.

[@johnhughes905]

That was amazing! Just about need a business degree, in addition to machining and engineering, to understand this market. Lots of strategy involved here. Thanks.

[@braidyfisher3351]

That's not a clone, that's a production knife with a crap steel, that didnt make it to the laser etching machine.

[@CuttingBoardRx]

On titanium handles, REATE is embossed, not etched. And this has D2 etched on the blade

[@twatmunro]

Yeah, Amazon still won't ship that kit of parts to the UK, sadly. 😞

[@CuttingBoardRx]

Bummer! Did you ask the vendor to sell blades separately from the handles? We used to buy Bali-songs that way on eBay a while back.

[@loosieclocker]

Another banger of a video! 👍👍👍👍

[@CuttingBoardRx]

Thanks!

[@imgadgetmanjim]

I don’t think I have any clones but I really enjoy your science and engineering use in your videos. I will say I have that same Hogue Mysto and I’m definitely keeping mine. I’m guessing mine should be close to same hardness and I enjoy it. Wish I could resub😊.

[@SharperApex]

You were definitely on fire! This is an interesting development. Thanks for sharing.

[@dayannahkali]

At 50 hrc, it's an expansive fidget toy !

[@CuttingBoardRx]

Yes. But so is the original at $300, no way a mass produced Chinese knife that’s so easy to replicate should cost even close to that!

[@dayannahkali]

@@CuttingBoardRx Agreed, they took the habit of selling us titanium at gold price...

[@CuttingBoardRx]

@dayannahkali and it’s just titanium, not that exotic of a metal! I mean, my watch band is made of it and with its ball detent pinch lock, and 36 individual links, the band is as complex a mechanism as this OTF! $90…

[@dayannahkali]

@@CuttingBoardRx Absolutely, watches, camping gear, fidget stuff and all sort of things are made of titanium and are not that expansive. But in the knife world, there is definitely a collector tax.

[@bladesnchill]

If they put just as much work into the bladesteel/grind/finnish, I would never buy "american" again. I am norwegian though

[@poncho151]

If I had to guess, I’d go with your first theory which is that they are simply made by Reate or through some sort of partnership with them. The entire industry is based in one city (yangjang) and is very interconnected from my understanding, much like how the Japanese knife industry got going. Varying degrees of quality done through different “services” depending on the end cost

[@CuttingBoardRx]

@@poncho151 same as Maniago, Italy; Albaciete, Spain; Solingen, Germany…. Knife epicenters.

[@bigglock5478]

You have become my favorite knife KZbinr. Thanks for what you do

[@armandkokotajlo2085]

Great format very instructive. I have the Exo M in 3V it was the steel used before elmax on the first batch. Why not making a video with comparaison of the mini adamas magnacut and the clone in supposed 9cr18mov ?

[@floridaman727]

They are probably made in the same factory 😂

[@jimmykilgore9360]

Several popular knife companies from there cut their teeth by producing clones of CRK Sebenzas and other brands. Another produced clones of Yeti cups that were every bit as good altered the design and sold them under its own brand name. It is definitely interesting to see this development. I agree with your assessment that this isn't one company pirating another.

[@Rascal77s]

This is good for people who want a real exo as a collection piece, but also want to play with one.

[@CuttingBoardRx]

@@Rascal77s exactly what I’ve been doing!

[@danparrigan1193]

Thanks for saving me $70. I think the discount Reate is ugly too. I’m glad they sold out before I bought one

[@dlife7427]

What a great channel, us knife nuts appreciate it

[@williammorales9826]

I totally agree with you and enjoy what you are doing Love your knowledge on technology on machining. I have had experience in machining also cnc. I've gotten nicknamed human micrometer because of compensating for machining math. I could visually see 15th thousands on a cut . I understand you and reasoning but most people that I call Lambs, is what these companies rely on. These people eat everything thrown at them. I've also had experience in sales so I can notice how sales centers push knives on you Thank you for what you are doing

[@stevemastbaum]

Might even be made in the same building.

[@TerminalM193]

Funny.... I've been in the market for a gravity knife. I own dozens of autos/OTF's but not a single gravity knife. I want something special but after doing some research there's not many options.

[@CuttingBoardRx]

@@TerminalM193 that’s correct. And none of them give you the same level of functionality as a double action OTF

[@Elmax17.5dps]

Great job my friend

[@CuttingBoardRx]

@@Elmax17.5dps thank you, sir!

[@Elmax17.5dps]

@@CuttingBoardRx Your machinists and engineering background/knowledge is so helpful

[@vladislavshkurinskiy2929]

Спасибо!

[@reconrc1787]

LOL I love it! How you like them apples

[@anthonyrollins9825]

hehe he said tiddy-eous hehe , love the content .

[@joeyh2565]

Great video and agree with calling out youtubers

[@BladeLabMiami]

I tested my 3v Exo-M at 59.9 hrc, which is smack in the middle of their advertised 59-61 range. I'm not a machinist, but it seems to me that anyone who's good at CAD and who has a set of calipers could duplicate the Reate design more or less exactly. There are many clone knives that are nearly indistinguishable from the real thing ... visually.

[@CuttingBoardRx]

@@BladeLabMiami sure, I could reproduce the design in cad, but if my target price was 30-60 bucks, it would be crazy to replicate every feature! Look how complex the original is!

[@BladeLabMiami]

@@CuttingBoardRx I guess what I'm missing is the cost/difficulty of translating a CAD file into a CAM file.

[@CuttingBoardRx]

@@BladeLabMiami that’s not it, but I like how you peppering some shop talk into the comments.

[@BladeLabMiami]

@@CuttingBoardRx Haha, and that's all the shop talk I've got. So ... if it's not the cost or difficulty of CAD/CAM, what makes it more likely that this was an actual Reate file as opposed to a straight copy?

[@charhay6969]

Reate makes a Reate clone..lol

[@CuttingBoardRx]

Certainly looks that way.

[@Shifftymking]

Wow what a terrible hrc reading on that clone. Well I was questioning if that clone was worth it but that thing want hold an edge for nothing.

[@ed2335]

Good video!

[@KinKnives]

Nice vid

[@TexasAndyAquatics]

24:42 Good up, so basically your grumpy cause reate ( obviously a smaller china made knife company) are smarter cause they are able to use knife reviewers ( which do this for a living and some, not all will push any knife no matter the quality, while others disclose that they got the knife for free but still give it a bad review if it's bad.) if you ask me I think it's more of a thing to find knife tubers who have integrity and you can trust them some random kid reading offa paper for the advertiser. Still I like your videos but just seems a little funny how bitter he is that anyone would date take a sponsor and actually get paid. It's called capitalism. No matter what industry there are honest and there are sell it advertisers for them but sht not every company is able to spend millions of dollars in advertising. To be honest I'd rather hear about a product from someone familiar with that industry instead of some bs advertisement only telling you they have the best product ever cause maybe it's for a little butterfly or over sized finger flicking hole ... But to each their own still live your videos pretty decent info to learn for newer folks.

[@MrBowser2012]

Apparently KZbin didn’t like my comment about com U nism. It’s gone. Anyway, I enjoyed the video!

[@CuttingBoardRx]

Weird that! Btw, it seems that I see your super thanks for the first time today even though they are a few weeks old! So please don’t think that I was being rude and haven’t thanked you! You must have ticked off the algorithm! Thank you so much!

[@MrBowser2012]

@@CuttingBoardRx no worries my friend!