CLONING! Clone a Tour to a Festival Rig | consoletrainer grandMA2 tutorial 2020

[@hardwatergroup]

Honestly, no matter the console you’re working on (for me, that’s Onyx), this video is FULL of valuable information and tricks of the trade that just make sense. Thank you so much for making these videos Cat, you honestly saved me from so much extra work in my show files.

[@consoletrainer]

Wow- I'm so glad to hear that you found it useful even on another console. Rock on!!!

[@nicolasfilteau6576]

Thank you so much for all the excellent videos. They have helped me a lot in my career. Keep up the good work!

[@consoletrainer]

Nicolas! Thank you so much for saying so! Please let me know if you have other ideas for things you'd like to see covered!

[@nicolasfilteau6576]

Consoletrainer - Cat West , I think a tutorial on how to set up/connect a second MAConsole to be used as backup if main console failed during show operation would be a very useful one. How to set up multiple consoles with restrictions to program on same show file could be another good one. Cheers! :)

[@consoletrainer]

@@nicolasfilteau6576 These are great ideas! Thank you for taking the time to answer!

[@consoletrainer]

@@nicolasfilteau6576 Hi there- I'm currently working on making a video based off your request. I was going to give you credit for the idea in the video, but I thought I should ask you first in case you want to remain private. All good either way.

[@nicolasfilteau6576]

Consoletrainer - Cat West. Hey Cat!!! That is awesome that you considered my idea and want to give me credit. You can totally do it. Excited to watch it! Keep it up. It’s nice to have some entertainment and learn new tricks during this Covid-19 situation while waiting to go back on tour.

[@bramlaurens7412]

Amazing video, building a standard showfile right now and I want to anticipate on having to clone it to different rigs and this cleared up so much confusion I had about cloning. Great tips too, thanks alot!

[@consoletrainer]

Awesome! I’m so glad it was helpful.

[@kylejames7040]

Thank you so much for this video and all the content you've released over the years! I remember watching your console cocktail video on busking... And holy shit it's crazy to see how much I've learned throughout the years with the help of your videos. Thanks again and stay safe!

[@consoletrainer]

Wow, thank you so much Kyle! That’s awesome!!! 🍕

[@MisterMotion]

Thanks Cat, you just saved me a Ton of time.

[@TheRealCrayfishin]

These videos are what the ACT training courses wish they could be. Actually giving real world examples and big pictures approaches to problems. I used cloning for the first time last week and my boss is ecstatic with the amount of time I can save while preserving the same (if not higher) quality of show.

[@consoletrainer]

Dude. Thank you! This makes me happy.

[@ЕвгенийМорозов-ч2ф]

Every cat is my best friend.

[@manhtuantran9910]

Great video Cat. If i have the same fixture id, can i use "Use other" in Partial show read ?

[@alexandredarmon5400]

thanks you so much for sharing the knowledge

[@rabeilerthephantom]

Thank you, thank you, thank you - very informative, as always

[@consoletrainer]

Thank you for saying that! I know it was a lot of information, but it felt like I needed to include all of it.

[@MastahKyler]

How do you set up a fixture sheet to only display fixture types??

[@sambalarezo6824]

Hey Cat, great video but just wondering exactly what you mean when you say “clone fixture type to fixture type” and “cloning fixture to fixture” what is the difference between the two? Thanks

[@teatrolites3446]

So I’m like super new to ma programming and cloning as a concept, so just to clarify, how that macro works, you group all of the fixtures in the clone from and clone to groups, then clone each preset pool, sequence, and effect? And do you use the macro for each fixture type or group of fixture separately? Thanks!!!!

[@consoletrainer]

Basically, the macro will clone all the presets, effects and sequences at the same time for you based on whatever fixtures are in the "From" and "To" Groups. I don't recommend putting your entire "from" rig into the "from" group and the entire "to" rig into the "to" group all at once because if you put even one unit out of order, or leave one out... it can mess up a lot of stuff. I like to clone the rig in chunks... for example, I do all the front light first, then maybe all the spots, then the washes, floor lights....etc.

[@Marc-nt3wt]

I'm looking to build a tour show file and wondering what the best clone source fixtures are in your opinion. (Beam, spot, wash, strobe, LED strip etc.) Thanks for the awesome video btw!

[@consoletrainer]

Hi Marc! I would recommend finding out what the plots at the venues/festivals you’ll be visiting contain.

[@vladtam617]

Once again, great video! Just wondering a thing.. Why we should keep our Global preset Global after cloning? Thanks!

[@consoletrainer]

That's a great question! Its really personal preference. You absolutely don't "have" to. If you skip this step, the fixture to fixture clone will give turn those presets into Selective (for the new units) and stay Global for the old. They'll work and they'll work in your cues. It's kind of an organizational thing - for some showfiles in some situations, you want to keep things global, but if you're cloning to something that you're only going to be using once on a one-off, then it sure doesn't have to be the cleanest thing ever. :) Also, I know some people have been frustrated with their presets turning selective, so I wanted to make sure I explained how to keep them global in the video. There's a lot of ways to do this- and I love knowing all the options, so I wanted to share. I hope this helps!

[@sambalarezo7497]

Is there a way to filter the type of preset cloned through command line?

[@User-cl8mn]

Do you think utilizing worlds on smaller rigs or even permanent installs is beneficial? I can see it on large shows or tours that are always moving but just trying to figure out the benefits of smaller/mid rigs or install rigs.

[@ryanpervola163]

So in my show I have my songs final looks saved to individual executors for playback, and I want show A (which is written and finished) to carry over everything to show B (which is significantly bigger). Will the stored information in those executors be able to transfer over like the presets? I do have each song's effects for each fixture saved and labeled. Just trying to wrap my head around cloning ad I've never done it before and have 5 different festival shows with the same artist in the next two weeks and trying get this to work

[@consoletrainer]

If you clone from the fixtures programmed in show A to the fixtures programmed in Show B (and follow the instructions I show in the video), it will clone all of your presets, cues in sequences, and effects. Show A fixtures will still retain all of their original programming, it just also gets copied the fixtures in Show B. If you have cues/sequences on your executors: those are included in the clone. If you have Group Masters on your executors, then you need to either clone groups as well (I don't usually do that), or just updated your group master (which is what I do). If you have macros on your executors: those remain untouched. If you have speed faders on your executors that change the speed of effects- they will also work with the ShowB fixtures, because you cloned the effects. Cloning the first time can be confusing. I recommend making a copy of your SHOW A and then giving it a try. If you're not happy with the results, it's ok because you can also go back to your original showfile. I'd also recommend getting in touch with MA tech support in your country (it's ACT Lighting in North America), in case you need to get someone on the phone to ask questions. I think you'll be happy with it. Cloning is ideal for moving an existing rig to festival rigs.

[@ryanpervola163]

@@consoletrainer much appreciated! Unfortunately the rigs fir every festival I'm doing is completely different from each other so I gotta do some reassigning.

[@consoletrainer]

@@ryanpervola163 Yeah, that's what usually happens. It can be a lot of work, but I find that it's actually a lot of fun figuring out how to translate one rig to a completely new rig.

[@amit43983]

Please make a video on grand ma on pc software

[@consoletrainer]

Hi Amit! Thanks for the comment.... could you be a little more specific? There's a lot to MA onPC (also don't know if you're using MA3 or MA2 onPC). Are you looking for a "how to get started" type of thing?

[@zionmerking2837]

Hi, havent got into this question alot before asking but, lets say that i have cloned my Tour Spots to the Festival Spots. That works great for the almost all of my cues but i have one specific cue where i would like to "switch" so that the Festival Beams are doing the stuff that the Festival Spots would have been doing. Do you know a way to do it that is not just redoing the cue? Thanks!

[@consoletrainer]

You can clone an individual cue or individual sequence after you've done the main clone. Amend the clone macro (or command line syntax) to only clone one sequence or a range of cues. Then, after you've cloned to the beams, you will want to remove the spots from the cues/sequence.

[@zionmerking2837]

@@consoletrainer Will try! Thanks for the quick answer:)

[@ryanpervola163]

So what is actually stored in the "clone from" and "clone to" groups?

[@consoletrainer]

"Clone from" is your source fixtures and "clone to" is your destination fixtures that you're cloning to. Before you run the macro - make sure that you have the right fixtures in each group! Selection order is everything. Check out the video starting at 9:29

[@ljyub827]

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[@80qtip]

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[@sambalarezo7497]

Is there a way to filter the type of preset cloned through command line?

[@sambalarezo7497]

Is there a way to filter the type of preset cloned through command line?