Close Quarters Shotgun Technique

[@Disciple47]

I was taught this by my first squad leader for use with our M4s. This technique works for any long gun you might need to use in close quarters.

[@timothyprice9064]

Good training is like that, It can work in all sorts of situations. Thanks for your service.

[@timothyprice9064]

@@oldgrunt5569 Wow, two years ago, You were correct some people will not have proper technique, and it does take training. My first MOS was light infantry in a weapons platoon, we got plenty of training. A few years ago I found two 12 gauge bullpups one pump and one semi-auto. They both fit the in-house very well.

[@timothyprice9064]

@@oldgrunt5569 LOL, you are beyond funny. Did you read what I said two years ago on the subject or what I said about it recently? Do you have comprehension problems or are you just looking to argue? I really have no idea of what you started bitching about.

[@timothyprice9064]

@@oldgrunt5569 Wow, two years ago, You were correct some people will not have proper technique, and it does take training. My first MOS was light infantry in a weapons platoon, we got plenty of training. A few years ago I found two 12 gauge bullpups one pump and one semi-auto. They both fit the in-house very well.,,,, This is what I said, so why are you bitching?

[@timothyprice9064]

@@oldgrunt5569 Only 30 years? Last year I found a bullpup pump it seems to fit the in-house role just fine.,,, Read it again, I posted that two years ago. Now for some reason, you're bitching about it today? Not that it's a dick measuring contest, but I started my infantry training 46 years ago, like you said what do I know? Thanks for your service and enjoy the rest of your weekend.

[@zekiah2]

I don’t think anybody’s appreciating how great it is to see an instructor as a student at somebody else’s class that is the kind of instructor you want. always learning always improving never assuming he knows everything hell of a guy

[@SandlapperSam]

Yeah instead of getting a big ego and thinking my way is best they explore all kinds of techniques. That’s the kind of instructor you might take their class twice because they might incorporate new methods and techniques they learned from other classes.

[@sebrunhethcox1656]

I had a Marine who had come over to the Army show me short stocking with our M16A4s for CQB.

[@TexasLawbringer77]

Sebrun Hethcox Those M16s must have felt like muskets in CQ

[@sebrunhethcox1656]

@@TexasLawbringer77 I think if I had gone back to them after being issues an M4 they would have but at the time it was the only thing I'd ever done CQB with and I didn't really notice the length but they were heavy for sure!

[@BattleRattle4x4]

@@sebrunhethcox1656 i was a cavalry tanker iraq 2003, we sometimes swapped our m4's (given to the tankers because of having to get in and out of the turret) with the bradley scout's 16's since they typically raided the houses and we typically did the overwatch. A couple of them even had ACOGs. hot diggity.

[@daviddomingo7768]

This technique was to taught to me and others in the 90's in (SOI) Marine School of Infantry during CQB training due to us having M16A2 ..AKA musket..ha ha , issued back then . Good technique

[@apeacetimegrunt9179]

You guys still have M16A4? I got issued a M4 than a M27

[@jessegpresley]

Learned this from Rob 6 years ago. One of the best classes I've ever taken.

[@papiparsons9045]

IMHO, this is wrong. I learned early that it's easier to control under the armpit for close qtrs. Same technique except UNDER the shoulder not over. You have better barrel control especially if you're unlucky enough for someone to grab the barrel. Why have it over the shoulder when no one would use the sights so close.

[@seirbhiseach]

@@papiparsons9045 for reasons of being able to slide it off the shoulder quickly and being able to employ a cheek weld. It evolved from the rifle variant which is easier to maintain and more crucial to maintain a cheek weld with, but, like the man said, it's what you can do best in whichever situation you're in

[@joshuafreeman4459]

Marines have been doing that with their M16s for a long time, due to the length.

[@schulzbrianr]

Yeah, this wasn't developed "a few years ago", unless they mean over a decade, I got taught around 2005.

[@Masta_E]

I think I remember seeing the Marines do this in Bourne identity.

[@Guagex]

A few years ago I saw this in John Wick. A few more years ago this was in Battlefield utilizing a Acog and reflex sight on different rails. And 8 years I did this on my shotgun certs

[@redneckzen]

I saw it used during the Gulf War and even before that. Troops had to do it 'cuz the M16A1 was designed by Camp Perry-style shooters, not gun fighters, and sliding/adjustable stocks were few and far between. Mr. Haught may have made it popular ... maybe ... but it's been around a long time. As William Shakespeare said, Nothing's new under the sun ... and he stole that from the Bible.

[@JDBeastmode]

Yea they used to do this in the American civil war when clearing hay fields with bayonets.

[@roughneckactual2646]

We did this in the Marines clearing houses with M16’s. Nothing like room clearing with 4 buddies and 20 inch barrels

[@rez4958]

We still short stock with the m16's to this day

[@sully571]

my sides

[@roy7579]

Good times

[@Disciple47]

lol I made my comment and then read yours

[@wackywilkins]

Rah

[@Deltron6060]

Welp I guess my mossy is heading to the range with me this weekend. Thanks as always!

[@nathan0717]

ojaslayer I’ll see you there with my Remington lol

[@papiparsons9045]

IMHO, this is wrong. I learned early that it's easier to control under the armpit for close qtrs. Same technique except UNDER the shoulder not over. You have better barrel control especially if you're unlucky enough for someone to grab the barrel. Why have it over the shoulder when no one would use the sights so close.

[@griffin5226]

a lot of guys call a heat shield on a shotgun mall ninja nonsense. They have obviously never put more than 3 rounds throguh a shotgun in a short time. I don't put them on for other reasons but they are definitely useful in some contexts

[@ogivecrush]

Yes indeed. One of the necessities of a basic fighting shotgun.

[@rayhanes1347]

I agree. I just hate the way they look.

[@hbaltosax]

My semi auto (tristar predator atac, clone of a benelli) gets hot AF after a box or two, so much so that the carbon build up will start slowly smoking out of the vents by the gas port.

[@rodgersmith1573]

To those of whom you speak, might I encourage them to do some research on the historical uses and necessities of such heat shields. WWI trench warfare dictated the need for a heat shield due to bayonet charges, due to the manner in which a firearm is held during a charge. For those that may be so inclined to see specific examples of this, search up Winchester 1897's, Model 12's, Ithaca 37's, Remington Model 10 'trench guns', etc. Whomever thinks it a bunch of 'nonsense', I dare say, are those whom you should not seek advice. If a device is rarely necessary, but has the potential to become crucial, especially during a time of imminent danger, is it not worth having such device?

[@themistoclesrodriguez4758]

I thought they were called heat exhausters??? Well same shit different name

[@ReverendMeat51]

We did this with the M16A4s as well. I still like the 20" but they're pretty damn gangly

[@papiparsons9045]

IMHO, this is wrong. I learned early that it's easier to control under the armpit for close qtrs. Same technique except UNDER the shoulder not over. You have better barrel control especially if you're unlucky enough for someone to grab the barrel. Why have it over the shoulder when no one would use the sights so close. This is a shotgun, not rifle with one projectile.

[@ReverendMeat51]

@@papiparsons9045 The M16 is a rifle.

[@Larcona_]

@@ReverendMeat51 Shouldnt matter if you're breaching.

[@Defenze]

This technique makes so much sense in CQ's. As a matter of fact it makes me think strongly about looking into a SBR particularly for HD. And I had never even given this any thought at all. Thanks so much for making me consider this, as well as other viable options for HD.

[@DayBowBow]

I wish the ATF would stop infringing on our rights and just let us have short barrel guns. It's completely ridiculous that there is a barrel length limit on any gun.

[@Opachki69420]

short stocking an sbr with a suppressor is an ideal home defense application of nfa items, repeal that shit! even full auto would have some home defense application if using the right kind of ammo to prevent overpenetration

[@michaelfoye1135]

We aught to abolish the ATF as the criminal violation of the 2nd Amendment which it is.

[@rudyschwab7709]

Although I agree most of the NFA is nonsense (especially the minimum barrel length part), the ATF is not arbitrarily infringing on our rights. The NFA was put into law by the U.S. Congress and the President of the United States, who were all duly elected by We the People in accordance with the U.S. Constitution. The Congressmen and President who put the NFA into law are all dead now, so there's no bargaining with them. Until we get enough of our fellow citizens voting the right way, the NFA is going to stand. Until then, it will be our fellow citizens infringing on our rights.

[@michaelfoye1135]

@@rudyschwab7709 The 2nd Amendment precludes the NFA and the ATF. Congress specifically does not have the authority to make such legislation. Nor does any lesser legislative body. If they wanted to do something like that, they should have passed a Constitutional Amendment to reword the 2nd Amendment. They instead did an end run around the Constitution, and have never been called out on it. It is also true that Congress cannot delegate its legislative authority to the executive branch. Yet that is precisely what regulatory agencies do. No one has ever challenged the Constitutional basis for these wild abuses of power, and its about time that someone did.

[@ryans7706]

Just buy a KSG it’s really short and holds 14+1 perfect for the home or back yard. Add a fore grip light combo and load it up with buck shot you’ll be just fine

[@CitadelDefense1]

I always appreciate your videos. Good call out on being responsible for ALL the pellets that leave the gun. It seems that people often forget that when talking about shotguns for defense.

[@biteme19671]

I sell firearm's and it's always funny to hear an old guy, when he interjects himself into the conversation, buy a shotgun, you can't miss with a shotgun, then I reply not true, you can miss, then quickly reply I was in Vietnam or in cases, some kind of Special Forces and they never missed.

[@CitadelDefense1]

GunsOfMassEffect 🧐🤔🙄

[@biteme19671]

My duty shotgun has a heat shield with rifle sights and before we were trained with the use of AR's, as a patrol weapon, people would always ask me why I had sights on a shotgun, I would reply so I can aim with 00 buck, or use a foster slug, to penetrate possible car door's, windshields, hard barriers or even engaging a suspect within 60 yards.

[@CitadelDefense1]

@@biteme19671 Wow. Scary that you had to explain why you had sights on a gun.

[@biteme19671]

@@CitadelDefense1 Well their are alot people with the misconception that think of a shotgun as a weapon you don't have to aim, just point and shoot.

[@strider8933]

I have taught this for 2 decades. It is viable , easy, and works in nearly any environment. Love it!

[@flyboytim2009]

Love your shotgun videos, and hope to see more of this class. Great info... Thanks. 👍

[@Acadian.FrenchFry]

Me too!

[@egads2]

Be Safe Now.

[@papiparsons9045]

IMHO, this is wrong. I learned early that it's easier to control under the armpit for close qtrs. Same technique except UNDER the shoulder not over. You have better barrel control especially if you're unlucky enough for someone to grab the barrel. Why have it over the shoulder when no one would use the sights so close. This is a shotgun, not rifle with one projectile.

[@costasmandylor7252]

@@papiparsons9045 Because at the ranges you would use this technique you are essentially shooting a pattern that is the same size as the bore of the gun. Buckshot isn't spreading out at 3 yards.

[@papiparsons9045]

@@costasmandylor7252 well, I have a neighbor 6 feet away and 00 buck could kill them despite the spread pattern. Not everyone lives in the country.

[@thehappytexan]

Practicing with the glove is probably the best scenario. Our bodies don’t like strained and complicated movements like wrenching your wrist. If you ever have to use your shotgun against an intruder, your adrenaline will be so high you aren’t going to feel the heat of the barrel, but your brain will revert to those basic movements that have been trained over and over. Gripping over the barrel makes it possible to use the muzzle for striking as well. It’s a good way to make space.

[@Andy152R]

I was taught this in the military for CQB. Good stuff. Honestly, being in the Navy, I preferred to transition to a handgun with tight quarters on ships and boats. Awesome video. Great knowledge for anyone's mental toolbox.

[@HillTrekkerSarge]

Learned to use my M-16A2 like that in the Corps and later taught it in LEO training with an M-4. Fortunately those are low/no recoil weapons and easy to manipulate like that. A 12 gauge with a full buckshot round? Wow. That gonna kick the ass of a lot of nimrods who can barely manipulate and control a shotgun with the stock in their shoulder.

[@logun1970]

If you own a mossberg you can get the adapter that will allow for the use of shorty shells which will help with the recoil, standard shells though... see the above statement

[@johnwalthall4937]

The long gun equivalent of the 90 degree gangsta handgun grip Edit: KZbin is so weird because you can leave a comment, forget about it, and then you get a notification like 5 months later and see that your comment has 500 likes and 10 replies.

[@DCHZS]

“Not on my block, player!” 🔫

[@Nobody-xh5qe]

Lol

[@deejay9474]

Except it works because it's not a handgun. It's a shotgun. Don't aim it, point it.

[@ericjson]

@@deejay9474 some say u can point the barrel to ur face and still hit ur target infront of u

[@reliablethreat23]

LMFAO!!!

[@seanmichael8202]

So, I have a Remington 870 Express which is ridiculously long for being indoors. I bought another Remi 870 18” and purchased the Sage TS870R. Slapped it on along with a Hogue over molded fore end and a mag tube extension. Thing is sick, right and ready for the house. I test cleared my hallway and it’s awesome to have something I can shorten up in a jiffy to get around those corners. Really, I totally appreciate what was said about “chasing” the threat. If I suspected someone was in my house, I’d reach for the 870, slowly and quietly clear the hallway, and post up in a defense position staying locked toward the end of the hallway. Calling out to the intruder with a, “Come down the hallway and you will be shot,” might best thing to while maintaining that defensive position so you’ve made it known you’re serious (anybody disagree?). I’d rather defend the hallway and keep my children safe then risk becoming a casualty, which in turn puts my wife and kids at risk of becoming casualties as well. A few of my friends look at how I think about guns and defense like I’m a kid playing cowboys and Indians, and I hope 100% I never have to utilize my defensive tools to protect myself and family. But, it’s nice having those tools 🤙

[@charliedoyle118]

This is an excellent technique. We teach this to officers in our dept. They love it, especially our shorter stature officers.

[@norsefalconer]

Excellent info! Despite 7yrs Army, I never knew "short stocking" was a thing until I watched this video. I set up my Mossy 500 20ga with an 18 1/2", and youth stock to increase maneuverability. I'm no genius, so I'm sure others have done similar.

[@5222k]

Norsefalconer Of course you didn’t know. Only Marines know if this. Forget you ever saw it. 😉

[@norsefalconer]

Lmao. Yeah, as engineers, our thoughts are, why clear a house, when you can "clear out" the entire house? 😉

[@johnnyroastbeef3048]

I so much enjoy your videos. You always explain yourself, and why you're doing what you do.

[@whadthefriggincrud]

One of the first techniques I was taught in the Marines during urban combat training

[@fluffywarhampster]

videos like this are the reason i always buy my ammo from you guys. thank you for the awesome informational videos...they are better that any ad you could ever run.

[@brookjohnson8216]

This channel never fails with good info. Thanks.

[@savagehippie420]

Holding it by your hip is pretty awesome, easy to learn with it because your already braced for the impact with your elbow holding the stock upright, you then trace the area with your barrel from your hip and fire, trying to switch shoulders while changing cover is a vital technique too.

[@acid6urns]

i was gonna say i would think carrying at the hip would be useful, especially if you train point shooting in CQ

[@savagehippie420]

@@acid6urns it works very well for speed shooting at close targets close to windows and such, instead of getting down, taking aim, 1 missipi, fire, just walk up to the window and look through the temp barricade, line up fire move to next target. Targets with hostages are obviously to costly points wise to hit, so iron sights or optic used there.

[@guitartownguns]

I've been using this technique for years. Never knew it had a name.

[@Maelstrom8]

Another excellent video. You guys make some of the best content on KZbin. Thanks!

[@702Wolfi]

Just shoot it from the hip while walking towards the threat. Kind of like the Terminator.

[@ChiTownGuerrilla]

I was thinking almost the same thing. I think just sticking the stock under your arm pit is way more practical and you can probably still get a decent sight picture

[@gjhoward]

But can any of us look as cool as Arnie with that 1887? Be honest. 😁

[@SilencerXLR8]

Duhh

[@xjester60x]

I have a laser on my home defense shotgun and shooting from the hip is easier than short stocking but I use both techniques

[@emperornero1932]

Chad move

[@dtna]

Excellent video. I trained with Rob Haught ~15 years ago. First time I was taught the "push pull" concept to manage recoil.

[@ttropp]

Outstanding vid - I’ve heard a lot about this technique but never had any solid explanation of it until you presented it in this video. Really like the content you put out!

[@ShiningXwolf]

Was having a tough time getting comfortable doing this as you were talking about it, then you mention the pistol grip conundrum and that explained it. Definitely need to spend some time practicing this.

[@blizakebowman]

Well, that was very informative and as always I’m glad I gave you my time. Thanks for the info and an all around great channel.

[@papiparsons9045]

IMHO, this vid is wrong. I learned early that it's easier to control under the armpit for close qtrs. Same technique except UNDER the shoulder not over. You have better barrel control especially if you're unlucky enough for someone to grab the barrel. Why have it over the shoulder when no one would use the sights so close. This is a shotgun, not rifle with one projectile.

[@borkwoof696]

Papi Parsons how often did you copy and paste this reply under this video?

[@kentwilliams4152]

Excellant advice amigo. Especially in regards to whether to sit and wait or go on the move. If one’s loved ones are at the same end of the home then sit and wait is the cat’s meow, but if not the a hand gun is way better in my opinion for what is often called “Room Clearing.” “Shot stocking” is something I never came across before. Excellent concept. It would need to be practiced for sure, both to instill confidence and to insure accuracy.

[@darklight4815]

My 12G is a little too short to need this technique but I'll keep it in mind for a longer model...I run the 18.5" barrel with 12" LOP stock so I'm pretty tight already...thanks for the knowledge friend!

[@PavewayJDAM]

Marines were doing it with A4s in early OIF.

[@soulessshadow5356]

I would also suggest for those that don't have a 18.5" security barrel on their shotgun, invest in a well build adjustable stock. It made using my maverick 88 inside my home a lot simpler, and this technique lends itself well to an adjustable stock. Though I do plan on purchasing a 18.5" security barrel, I also have a stock that uses the pistol grip which makes it that much easier keeping the gun from hitting me in the face. I can't count how many times I did that with the standard stock on it.

[@wigon]

I learned this technique a long time ago in the Army Reserves in the 90's. My unit still had M16A2's so for CQB we were taught to short-stock by one of our NCO's who was also a SWAT officer in a local PD . We also did this with our Mossberg 500's that had stocks (some of ours just had pistol grips) as well. Or one could also get a Mossberg 500 shorty sold with a raptor grip, stick a OpSol 2.0 adapter in it and run Aguila Mini-Shells. This allows the "weapon" to be fired closer to the face without so much of a risk of smacking your face. You still get plenty of shot (Seven #4 buckshot and four #1 buckshot) from the Aguila minishells at decent velocities and decent spread at average home defense ranges. You also almost double your ammo capacity. Even if you have a typical 18" mossberg shotgun, you can still legally put a raptor grip on it. I did this with my Maverick 88 12 gauge (with the OpSol adapter installed). A setup like this is extremely budget friendly as you can get a Maverick 88 12 gauge for just shy of $200. It still ranks as probably the best "bang-for-your-buck" shotgun out there. Just remember that you just can't take one of those shorties manufactured with the raptor grip and put a normal buttstock on it. That makes it an SBR. I believer however that there are some "arm braces" made for them. So that's also something to look into.

[@mrtlsimon]

You are correct. The Marine Corps taught this to us in the 80s as well. And you are correct about adding a regular stock to a Shockwave or Tac14 it becomes a SBS (short barrel shotgun) in the eyes of the law.

[@wigon]

@@mrtlsimon While I still train with my Maverick 88 12 gauge shotgun, I actually ended up buying an AR-15 pistol with a 7" barrel and a pistol brace to use as my primary home defense firearm. It lets me cut the pie without have to short-stock or lower my barrel. I lose a lot of velocity with such short of a barrel and get a lot more noise and blast....but not much more than a shotgun. I selected the ammo I use carefully studying ballistic gel tests and velocity measurements from that short of a barrel to insure I get over 2,200 fps and that the rounds tumble and/or expand properly. Now I just need to save up for a proper suppressor for it (and the tax stamp of course).

[@mrtlsimon]

@@wigon In NJ I can't own a AR pistol, SBS or SBR., I can own a TAC14 or Shockwave with a brace. I will stick with my regular scatterguns unless I get a killer deal on one of the shortys.

[@wigon]

@@mrtlsimon Yup. It's hard to go wrong with a nice pump shotgun as long as you train with it. What's nice about shotguns is that with a change of a barrel, you suddenly got a bird hunting or skeet shooting gun. Throw on a rifled barrel and you basically got a short-range VERY heavy caliber rifle. That's why I'll always keep my Maverick 88 shotgun. Plus they are just fun to blast. :P

[@bluenetmarketing]

Do you practice all of your gun techniques with the left hand as well, or even one handed? It could be life-saving if one arm, particularly your strong arm, is incapacitated. A video about that would be invaluable.

[@manuelmenendez8239]

Sidearm, would be very difficult to operate a long gun effectively with a single arm, under duress. Practice operating your side arm with one hand. Practicing unlikely scenarios would probably be better spent elsewhere.

[@colinsanders9397]

If you're running a 12 gauge with one hand then it might be time to switch to bayonets and e-tools.

[@igorventsel]

Thank you. It is very helpful information. I am right handed , because of my medical condition I cant shoot my shotgun from right side. Now I have to go and learn how to use my shot gun the way you do.

[@jimmyboredom3519]

20 gauge youth 870. 👍 Ive had it since i was 11

[@spiritdanimal9302]

THIS.

[@grllaspeak]

installed a AFG on my pistol grip Mossberg 930JM and short stock side shots are no problem. Thanks, this video inspired me

[@mort6913]

A barrel shroud it seems, would be an ideal accessory for this technique. On my Winchester Defender it adds a nice trench broom vibe :-)

[@xxtoptankxx6873]

I have a sxp defender. Where do you get your accessories. They are like non existent

[@mort6913]

@XxToptankkxX: You can find them at Cheaper Than Dirt, a Texas based company. The one I purchased years ago is on their website and is made by TacStar. www.cheaperthandirt.net/tacstar-12-gauge-shotgun-universal-barrel-shroud-steel-black-oxide/FC-751103011713.html

[@nickvarblow752]

Something tells me that some one is going to try this and slap themselves in the face so bad with that recoil. please video your first shot doing this if you do attempt it!!!. lol...

[@nickvarblow752]

When you comment before your even half way through the video... whoops

[@dionmccall8686]

An Blow they're Dam 👂 Drum out 🤕

[@sawyerramos3113]

I DID!!!!! i wiped the skin off, right under my eye! hell no!

[@SobaOfPulaski]

I needed this video, gotta start practicing these techniques with my 870 Tactical

[@northernninety7]

I like the high ready position. That's what I practice. If the intruder grabs your barrel, its still pointed at him.

[@davidtucker3026]

Not if he's grabbing from the side, in fact, grabbing the barrel is a really effective way to deflect an attack.. so I disagree, either stay put and ambush an intruder, get a shorter shotgun, or use this technique, or get a pistol.

[@northernninety7]

@@davidtucker3026 There are flaws to every method. Pick one and practice. That already puts you way ahead of some untrained intruder who doesnt know the layout.

[@davidtucker3026]

@@northernninety7 True that! Discipline and muscle memory are key, no matter the technique! Totally agree!

[@giogodoy8679]

Best content in youtube. Thank you for making these videos. I felt you care about teaching people and not just making money selling your reviews for some companies. I really enjoy your content.

[@DH___]

Jokes on you get a mossberg 590 shockwave. Legal sawed off shotgun 😆

[@FiendTheKing]

Man, this channel made me buy a 1301 and every time you post one of these types of videos I find myself practicing with it more then any rifle.

[@LuckyGunner]

Welcome to the party, pal.

[@robbabcock_]

Great concept! I have a Magpul stock on my Mossy with a pretty short LOP but still a good skill to look at.

[@jartac9284]

Really works . Same thing they taught myself and other Marines in most training where we had the full size M16. I was in from 07-2013 so around that time frame. Granted as an MP I had the shorter M4 with collapsible stock, but with the full size M16 this is the only way to effectively do CQB type maneuvers without bumping into everyone and every wall and door with that damn musket lol

[@victorvillafane252]

Always good video sir I appreciate that I learn a lot good guy

[@copperjarhead]

"The most violent weapon system we have. The most versatile weapon system we have. But we have to train for it."

[@sambsialia]

Best gun channel on the tube, hands down!👍

[@swaghauler8334]

Another good video man. I haven't seen this technique since my Stressfire II (Massad Ayoob) training in the '90s (back when MAG was still LFI).

[@cornevandriel]

Grip taping the section of barrel that your hand touches works fairly well to reduce the burn. It’s still hot but doesn’t burn on contact. My IPSC shotguns are taped for strong hand quad loading.

[@williamprince1114]

Good information. I have a side by side 12 gauge with a 18" barrel and "youth" stock (you could call it a classic coach gun ) which is a good bit shorter then a 18" barreled Moss 500 or Rem 870. I just tried this technique moving around my home and up and down stairs and I can see it's utility. However I'm not looking forward to taking it to the range and firing it this way. Definitely going to start out with something light at first. One other observation is that if you have a mounted flashlight this may or may not effect how you want to mount that light. Just something to think about.

[@LuckyGunner]

Yes, the position of the light absolutely has an impact on which techniques are going to be best. I think the Surefire forend makes light activation as easy as it could possibly be with a shotgun, but unfortunately they don't make one of those for the 1301 yet :(

[@TrueBlindGaming]

you know. I'm setting up a shotgun for self defence, and the way my house is setup this skill will help out a lot. also, I found you because of the blind folded ccw test video, because i'm totally blind, but enjoy shootting. any blind person who wants to defend their home I think should use a shotgun if they decide to use a firearm for last resort protection. Just bought a good amount of 22lr from you guys, website was very accessable for the visually impaired, and I'm coming up with a light detection system to go on the back of my scope for target shooting at the range. excellent videos

[@Quality_Guru]

Great content! Thanks for introducing us to new concepts.

[@lostson562]

Man props to all your videos brother all your videos are insightful and educational, thanks for another great video 👍🏽👍🏽💯

[@RollinLeonard]

new shotgun owner here! i'm chewing through your videos and really enjoying the quality, the writing, and the examples you give. can't wait to practice this technique and whenever shells are back in stock i'll make sure to buy from you guys.

[@theglobalistchannel1471]

You got any yet lol?

[@RollinLeonard]

@@theglobalistchannel1471 yup! Thanks. Took forever.

[@theglobalistchannel1471]

@@RollinLeonard I'm kinda good finding stuff, I was able to get toilet paper mid lockdow, so I got skill 😂, if you ever in CO lmk if you need help finding anything. Keep buying, even if its not 12ga, you migth be able to trade FOR 12 ga if you find someone

[@B_R_]

Lmao. Don't look now, but Paul Harrell just uploaded a video that seems to be a response to this one. He's coming for you man 😃 Two years later, but he's probably been busy. Guntuber wars should be a new reality show.

[@HeartTribe]

I have the benefit of owning a KSG, and not having to worry about length. On a serious note, we need to make bullpup shotguns more of a thing for home defense.

[@sophiagodsfrend]

Stuckgrenadepin what do you mean not really? i have a KSG for home defense... its ideal for the job. and since we all have homes to defend, why shouldn’t everyone be encouraged to own something like it with a bullpup design? you’re “not really” is a flip comment that lacks thoughtfulness. if every home had a KSG, home invasions would be extremely rare.

[@HeartTribe]

@Stuckgrenadepin your comments make sense, but I think that the difference in muzzle flash and sound between a bullpup and regular is not something matters. It's still very close to you in either setup.

[@sophiagodsfrend]

Stuckgrenadepin nonsense... any round fired indoors will affect hearing... and you better have a light mounted so you know where your shooting. i load mine with #8 birdshot... check Paul Harrell’s video on that... once #8 penetrates a meat target it won’t go through two layers of sheetrock... its as safe as anything fired indoors when it comes to over penetration and judging from the baseball sized hole in the meat target it WILL get the job done. room sized distances indoors are typically less than 5 yards... i’ll trust my aim and mounted red dot and light and 14+1 capacity as much as any AR you so fond of. shotguns have been the gold standard for home defense for over 100 years... making a shorter one that’s mostly all barrel (18.5in) and reliable and maneuverable makes sense. really. no... really.

[@RobZtaco]

Optics on broomsticks are my jam!!

[@k31rifleman]

Great sentence 😊

[@Gunthusiest]

For work I actually carry my M4 like this if we're going through thick woodland and we're running really fast. It reduces the chance of getting caught on a branch or something but I don't actually shoot it this way. Granted it's a lot shorter with only a 14.5" barrel but this method is very useful in multiple applications

[@Acadian.FrenchFry]

Did you modify the barrel length or were you able to purchase one like this?

[@johannisguardian529]

@@Acadian.FrenchFry I think he means it in army context.

[@Acadian.FrenchFry]

@@johannisguardian529 I don't know what that means, but thank you. lol :)

[@johannisguardian529]

@@Acadian.FrenchFry You cant just purchase an M4 Carbine . And he carrys it for work. So he is probably a mercenary or a soldier.

[@Acadian.FrenchFry]

@@johannisguardian529 Ah OK. I understand now. Thanks!

[@kentuckyjustice1408]

Short stocking is fairly comfortable when your scattergun has a pistol grip. I understand, some people hate pistol grips on shotguns, but pistol grips do have their applications. I love a shotgun for home defense. Pistols put holes IN people. Rifles put holes THROUGH people. Shotguns, with the right load, at the right distances, put meat and organs on the floor. Don't laugh, but my favorite home defense scattergun is a Black Aces Shockwave autoloader, with a 10" barrel and an arm brace. That thing is awesome. Right behind that would be my Mossberg 590 Shockwave. I ~DO~ like my shortys. In that Craig Douglas clip, his student looked like Douglas Ducote. If it wasn't Doug, it was sure enough his twin. Good video.

[@slappopotamus1001]

I just cut three inches off of my 590A1's stock and screwed the butt pad back on. Still need to mount a light on it.

[@SilencerXLR8]

Duct tape +flashlight= done

[@playboi6411]

Gonna have to try this with my AK. I’ve seen other people do it but never really mention it in detail. Good video!

[@ToxicSkull0]

Why am I watching this I don’t even have a shotgun

[@vek9298]

Sean O. For American schools

[@HarrisonCountyStudio]

No one attempts ‘mass shooting’ in buildings where free people may be armed.

[@abc4781]

Buy one!!!!

[@tier1tribe337]

knowledge

[@CircleWilliams]

It’s been a month since your comment, do you have one yet?

[@roykiefer7713]

This is a truly excellent video, introducing what appears to be a very valuable technique and one I would have never thought of. THANK YOU, Chris.

[@strider8933]

The Father of this was Louie Auerbach. He was a SURGEON with the shotgun and one of the foremost tactical instructors of all time. I had the distinct honor of training with him on 2 occasions. Utterly phenomenal!

[@66ECHO]

Great video as always. You have inspired me to not just buy any shotgun but I have the 1301 in my sights and can’t wait to try these techniques. Well done!

[@shelbydaugherty8352]

Mossberg Shockwave end of lesson

[@logun1970]

Add the SB Tactical pistol brace to it and enjoy...

[@edstringer1138]

@@logun1970 and a heatshield and big dot sights

[@ammarchetta]

Low recoil buckshot is heaven sent for this tactic

[@KuyaPow626]

I just realized that those 45 degree off set iron sights might be perfect for this technique- what do you think? The 45 degree offset is right where your eyes are gonna be if you tilt the gun slightly like this angle requires ( I know its not 90 degrees, but perhaps the compromise is worth the added accuracy). Great video!

[@springer-qb4dv]

Yes holding shotgun at 90 degrees is so awkward. 45 degrees is much more comfortable and still allows holding stock above upper arm/shoulder.

[@larunaaxthemischievous9762]

this is like martial arts but designed specifically for shotguns, its amazing and makes me respect shotguns even more!

[@ThatMetroMania]

Well if siege has taught me anything it’s that running in and just firing at rapid speeds is fine

[@jeffhurley756]

Also has the shotgun positioned for quad loading. The complaint with quads for tactical purposes is always changing the position of the rifle. Leave one in the chamber prior to loading quads and you remain ready to respond. I like this. I will be practicing. Thanks for the video. Excellent detail.

[@AcuteStressResponse]

Damn you took a class from those fellows.... i could out walk them anyday!

[@westcan81]

We don't have that problem in Canada we own very short shotguns for close quarters combat (Bullpup) or short barrel stockless shotguns.

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

The Bulpup Kel Tec looks more comfortable.

[@LuckyGunner]

There was a guy in our shotgun class the other day with a KelTec. He did not look comfortable the whole weekend.

[@GaveMeGrace1]

Do you remember if he was using a KSG or KS7?

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

@@GaveMeGrace1 Good question? 🤔

[@LuckyGunner]

KSG. It's compact. But it sucks at just about everything else I look for in a shotgun.

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

@@LuckyGunner The newer KS 7 is less clunky.

[@DestroBB]

Revisited this video today. Great refresher.

[@themastermason1]

I did this with my M1 carbine when I had a security scare at my house. Thankfully it was a false alarm because my dad just failed to completely close the front door.

[@marcgarrity4685]

Excellent video. Thank you for posting.

[@clinttuttle1126]

once again, great content.

[@Nate1984Mac]

Craig Douglas aka South Narc. Absolute OG.

[@PW.6060]

Law enforcement here. We do not teach this at my department. We just use a shorter shotgun (14" barrel).

[@KarstRats]

Oh so police officers are above the law now. Great. Ya see. Not everyone can use a 14 inch barrel on a shotgun without getting arrested there buddy. Good things cops are above the law.

[@Harshhaze]

@@KarstRats one problem: I don't see citizens entering a building to arrest someone with an outstanding warrant. I also don't see average citizens responding to a domestic abuse call and someone has a gun, inside a house, with multiple people. Yeah, ATF fucking sucks. But blame the ATF for gun problems

[@Semperfiusmc98]

@@KarstRats Police departments still need to fill out a form 1 or form 10 depending on how they acquired the firearm or if they're transferring it. The only difference is now the firearm belongs to the agency and no single officer.

[@christopherologist]

Harshhaze I don't a trained officer entering a possible hostage situation with a shotgun either. Just try to use your dense skull once in awhile.

[@oklahomahank2378]

Six Shooter DhSprts You are blaming police officers instead of state and federal legislators.

[@ltribley]

A year + later and the shotgun market has changed dramatically with the introduction of a number of Semi-Auto 12 ga Tactical Shotguns with 8 and 10 round mags. Some are short barrel for close-quarters and home defense. For example, Kalashnikov USA offers the KS-12T (Saiga-12 in Russia) 12 ga tactical shotgun with an 18 in barrel and with a folding stock allowing the gun full shortened functionality and easy to use. The Komrad is a 12ga tactical shotgun with a 12.5 in barrel like a SB AK or AR. Both can be used for closed quarters and home defense though the Komrads shorter barrel is a better choice. The KS-12T's shorter folding length gives you extra maneuverability and target acquisition with no specialized technique in comparison to a traditional shotgun though still performing well at longer distances. The technique highlighted in the video will not work for most and more-than likely, result in a bad outcome. It requires regular muscle memory and awkward gun management training on the range and in your home; home barriers require training for left and right hand shooting; aiming, positioning the light when identifying targets in the dark; not taking into consideration additional training high ammo cost. During a life-threatening, maximum stressed altercation in your home milliseconds count, and this technique will let you down. Remembering to have extra ammo/reload time, manage your family/children, the perpetrators, and other unknown variables is overwhelming. Oh yes, did you prepare the families communications plan and hearing protection ahead of time?

[@skinner321]

If you cant do close quarters shooting, use 50 cent pieces and work down.

[@LuckyGunner]

Thanks, dad.

[@skinner321]

Better than, "first".

[@50StichesSteel]

Huh??

[@Evergreen1400]

Whaaaaa?????

[@w.callens1629]

i use 10 and 20 close eurocents

[@BadAssEngineering]

This has to be one of the most useful things I have learned about shooting shotguns, thank you so much

[@Conky88]

I have a 14” barrel. I don’t recommend short stocking with that length lol. It’ll work just not necessary tbh

[@danialphaomega]

I'm surgical with Da Bit.ch is what I call my cheap ol maverick 88 has a holosun 407 6moa circle side saddle tritium bead, olight Valkyrie PL-2, ammo sling, and I modified the stock its 2.5" shorter and the barrel is ported to act as a compensator/ brake. I polished the action and installed a trigger spring kit but it's crisp and the action is smooth like butter dry!!!

[@juangabrielescalante2705]

Hola, saludos desde Argentina 👍 Excelente explicación, gracias

[@DDP556]

It's only after you shoot that you realize your face gets wrecked with the barrel 😂

[@psychotodd769]

Thanks for these videos. Giving me a lot to think about and to practice. Thanks again.

[@Go_Coup]

I wonder if you can add a canted sight that works for short-stocking like that.

[@gregv2821]

I've been watching more of your videos lately. Really good stuff. Subbed.

[@mozzberg590]

I really don't see the benefits of this form of defensive shooting, but I appreciate the concept.

[@Acadian.FrenchFry]

Why do you say this? Just curious and trying to learn all I can. Thanks

[@mozzberg590]

@@Acadian.FrenchFry it's a solution to a non existent problem.

[@LinkHyrule03]

@@Acadian.FrenchFry I see this as an advanced technique that is most applicable to military and police who have to move in a group in tight quarters. For home defense, I'd much rather have the gun shouldered and ready. If I need it to be shorter, I'll get a bullpup. If I need it shorter still, I'll get a handgun.

[@Acadian.FrenchFry]

@@LinkHyrule03 Thank you for the response. I appreciate it.

[@mozzberg590]

@@LinkHyrule03 agreed 100%

[@m118lr]

VERY good info...something new!I like it, surely going to try it...thanks

[@junichiroyamashita]

Ever heard of the MP 131K? The tube and mag fed shotgun?