Alvin Platinga - Does Philosophy Inform Religion?

[@cps_Zen_Run]

I suspect there would be a significant decline in deity worshiping if children were not exposed (brainwashed) to religion.

[@S3RAVA3LM]

We can blame religion as a scape goat, the truth is the adults do not understand what any of it means so to make corrections; nor do people want to listen and learn. The level of Sophistry today.

[@thedude9620]

Not true. It is completely rational to believe in GOD. Why? Well, all things are created, therefore it's completely rational to assume we have a creator. Hence, GOD.

[@cps_Zen_Run]

@@thedude9620 rationality is not validation of truth. Those that burned witches, excised demons from the sick, or believed the sun revolves around the earth thought themselves rational.

[@roksanaskorupa]

@@thedude9620 Not all things were created. If rain falls on the sand, you get mud. No need for any creator.

[@projectmalus]

That part of religion has been co-opted by big business these days I think, the plastic bits falling off the symbols are choking out the real life like all extremes of control. It began with that asshole Edward Bernays. No decline without widespread understanding of manipulative practices but it's all good as a learning experience.

[@EduardoRodriguez-du2vd]

What is wrong with believing in god without arguments? 1 criticism - You are not up to your intellectual duties Alvin Platinga's counterargument: Fulfilling those duties would not lead to any particular belief. Beliefs do not depend on the will, so it is useless to analyze their certainty. (He seems unaware that we can understand that our beliefs are false. Every child has the belief that the sun revolves around the planet, but then someone forces him to analyze that belief and correct it) 2 criticism - Believing in God without arguments is irrational Alvin Platinga's counterargument: One is irrational when the mind is not working properly. Believing in god without arguments is not irrational in that way. Most people believe in god without arguments (He unfoundedly equates mental illness with irrationality. Believing that the sun rotates after being proven false can occur in a healthy mind. Supertition is not mental illness) 3 criticism - The belief in the existence of God without arguments cannot be distinguished from a lucky assumption, if one believes it actually true. Alvin Platinga's counterargument: belief in god would be guaranteed as the product of the proper functioning of the mind in a teleological context (He himself clarifies that such a guarantee inevitably depends on the existence of God. I find it very strange that a professional philosopher supposes that this proposition is valid)

[@Fysicaforfun]

This is Alvin's best argument against religion: mankind has been around for tens of thousands of years. Those who supposedly know the Christian god have only been around some 3-4000 years, and are even now still a minority. So the vast majority of humankind has never known the Christian god. Of course, almost every primitive community has religion, but almost no primitive religion is even monotheistic. So according to Alvin's argumentation, there is no warrant to believe in the Christian god.

[@bds8715]

Considering how reproduction is exponential, I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of humanity has lived in the past 2000 years.

[@criticalthinker2477]

Plantingas says that if God exists, its reasonable to assume that god designed into us the ability to know him. My opinion is that this actually disproves the existance of god. If god "designed" this in us, why are there 10,000+ different religions in this world. Beliefs that are all over the place that dont even remotely resemble each other.

[@eamonnmurphy5385]

I suggest there is a measure of truth in most religions. Let's say one religion has the fullness of the truth. Eg: Catholicism, then you have Orthodox which is mostly true, then different Protestant faiths with a fair amount and then Buddhism, Judaism , Hindu etc. with some of the truth.

[@jpc5357]

Just FYI the title misspells his name. It's "Plantinga."

[@Robinson8491]

Great exposition, expounding, or whatever that word is. Unraveling and untangling the question and situation, dessimenating

[@WE_R_DNA]

Love the deep thought. But I still pose a question. Why would it matter if a God did exist? What would it change? 🤔

[@Tobi_237]

It would change everything. Please do tell what your concept of God is?

[@britneygoddess7697]

We are taught to search for evidence in order for something to be valid ,but we are also thaught something without explanation.....interesting....

[@bluelotus542]

To have a sound philosophical understanding of God is not a duty but a natural function of the soul, whose constitutional identity is one of eternity, bliss and knowledge.

[@LG-lb7sf]

My philosophy says that this guest looks like a mix of David Letterman and Bill Gates with just a hint of Abraham Lincoln.

[@jayjames7055]

There are more things in heaven and Earth, Horatio, / Than are dreamt of in your philosophy

[@LG-lb7sf]

@@jayjames7055 And staring into that dark abyss he see it not the eternal bliss, of the life he holds inside his hands proclaiming himself and empty man, blind to intricate simplicity, thus, forever bound in misery.

[@jonmeador8637]

Religion is philosophy.

[@AlgeriaHere]

Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was born in Saudi Arabia in the city of Makkah about 1400 years ago. Since then the world has not seen the likes of Him in every regard and the study of human history shows that there have been none better than Him before Him as well. The key factor that brings reverence and respect to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) in both the Islamic and the non-Islamic circles is His character. He was the best in character and He also said about in one of His hadiths in the following way: “God has sent me to perfect good manners and to do good deeds.” (Bukhari) The lines below discuss some major character traits of Prophet (PBUH) that every Muslim should spread as much as possible. 1. All For The Sake Of Allah: Prophet (PBUH) as selfless as a person could be in life. All his undertakings and motives were just to fulfill the order of Allah and He did not undertake any action out of His personal desire and will. He lived everyday of His life for the sake of Allah and everything which He did was for the Almighty. The extent of His selflessness can be seen from the example of His preaching in the valley of Taif, where people lead naughty children to throw stones at Him while He was preaching. He had to run for His life and He was all covered in blood. But still He did not complain to Allah about Him, rather one of His companions narrates: “The Prophet (PBUH) resembled a Prophet who was harmed by His people. He wiped the blood from His face and said: ‘O God! Forgive my people, for they know not!” (Bukhari) Such is the selflessness in His character and every moment of His life was for the sake of Allah and spreading His message. 2. Mannerism: Prophet (PBUH) was the epitome of good manners. Every action that He undertook in life represented the highest morals and manners that a person could exhibit. He was an Ideal being in terms of manners and ethics, the likes of which the world has not seen. As one of His companions notes about His manners: “The Prophet (PBUH) did not swear at anyone, nor was He rude, nor did He curse anyone. If He desired to reprimand someone, He would say: ‘What is wrong with him, may dust be cast in his face!” (Bukhari) Thus if a Muslim is to give an example of the manners of someone, there would be none more suitable than Muhammad (PBUH). 3. Humor: People think that being a religious leader of Islam, Prophet (PBUH) had nothing to do with humor, rather He was all strictness and stringency. This perception is wrong, as Prophet (PBUH) was the one with the finest sense of humor, the likes of which again cannot be seen in anyone. His sense of humor was not vulgar in any sense or anything that would debase or make fun of someone, rather it was fine. Anas (RA) reports such an example by saying: “Once a man asked Muhammad (PBUH) for an animal to ride. He replied that He would give him the baby of a she-camel to ride on. The man asked ‘What would he do with a she-camel baby?’ Muhammad (PBUH) replied, ‘Is there any camel which is not born of a she-camel?’” 4. Peace Lover: The general notion regarding Islam and Prophet (PBUH) is that they both encouraged violence in people and were and are not in favor of peace. It is totally baseless, because the religion Islam itself is peace and Prophet (PBUH) was a lover of peace. He wanted people to live in harmony and always encouraged people resolve their differences by opting for peace, instead of going for violence. In one of His hadith Prophet (PBUH) said: “Let us go to resolve the situation and make peace between them.” (Bukhari) Thus, Muslims should spread His message of peace by giving examples out of the actions He undertook to ensure peace. 5. Kind To The Kids: Prophet (PBUH) always treated kids with kindness and mercy. He always enjoyed their company and played with them to make them happy. One such example can be seen from His life when He used to say to kids: “I’ll give such and such (i.e. gift or so) to the one who comes to me first.” So they used to race and fall on His back and chest. (Ahmad) This shows His treatment towards kids and there are countless other examples in His lifetime where He commanded parents to be loving and caring towards their children. 6. Generosity: Generosity is another hallmark of the personality of Muhammad (PBUH). He was the most generous person there could ever be. He preferred others over Himself and always fulfilled the needs of anyone who came to Him to ask for something. One of His companions notes: “The Prophet (PBUH) did not refuse to give anything which He had to someone if he asked for it.” (Bukhari) His generosity is something that Muslims should aspire to and spread the examples of His generosity to other people as well so that the world could become a better place. 7. Caring Of Women: Another allegation against Islam is that it is a religion that oppresses women, therefore, being the bringer of the religion, Muhammad (PBUH) is also attributed with women oppressing attributes. This perception is also wrong, because Prophet (PBUH) was very caring of the rights of the women and commended His followers to give special treatment to women by giving them respect and equal rights that they ought to have. In one of His hadiths He said: “Whoever (brings up) two girls till they come of age, will be in the next world along with me, like my two fingers joining each other.” (Abu Dawud) If He were an oppressor of women, He could have simply mentioned male orphan children, however, He gave preference to raising up of female children. This shows the care He had for women and their rights. 8. Pleasantness: Another misconception is that Prophet (PBUH) would be someone who would always be harsh and strict on the people He interacted with. It is also a wrong perception because Prophet (PBUH) was the most pleasant person. He would greet everyone with a smile and always spoke to people with gentleness. His companion said about Him: “I have never seen a man who smiled as much as the Messenger of Allah.” (Tirmidhi) This shows that the personality of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was pleasant and gentle. A person who would smile most of the times ought to leave a good impression on people, and wherever He would go He ought to have spread love and pleasantness. 9. Concerned About Orphans: Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) did not just love who were around Him, nor did He only loved those who were related to Him, rather He considered the entire society. In society, He was especially considerate of orphans and would commend His followers to take special care of the orphans as they did not have parents to look after them. In one of His hadiths, He said: “The best house among the Muslims is one where an orphan is well treated, and the worst house among the Muslims is one where an orphan is badly treated.” (Ibn Majah) Muslims must take a leaf out of His treatment of orphans and treat the orphans fairly and wherever one sees the orphans being oppressed, a Muslim should raise voice for it and stop it from happening. 10. Cooperation: Prophet (PBUH) is the best and the highest among people, however, whilst all the greatness and grandeur, He was cooperative towards people and helped others in doing the chores in any way He could help them. He never treated Himself as someone special, rather He would mix with common people and cooperate with them in any way He could. As one of His companion narrates regarding the battle of Trench: “I saw the Messenger of Allah on the Day of the Trench carrying dirt (that was dug from the trench) until His chest was covered with dirt.” (Bukhari) Thus, a Muslim must also not value status or rank, rather be helping towards people and give his or her fair share in the efforts that all of the people are putting. 11. Animal Rights Activist: Perhaps Muhammad (PBUH) was the first animal rights activist on the face of this earth who raised voice for the fair treatment of animal. He told people that animals were also creation of Allah and they deserved to be treated fairly, instead of being harsh, strict and ignorant towards them. Hazrat Aisha (RA) narrated: “I once found difficulty in riding a horse, so I kept reining it in repeatedly. The Prophet (PBUH) then said, ‘You must have gentleness.’” (Muslim) Ergo, Muslims should learn from His treatment of animals and should try being as gentle and as considerate towards animals as possible and treat them fairly.

[@CMVMic]

why is truth the goal? Who determines what is rational? what exists? what is knowledge? Society or the Individual? Epistemology and Ontology are inseperable, both require presuppositions to start. We are all guilty of holding question begging foundations. Something to ponder.... The problem of the criterion. Should we first have a theory of knowledge or posses knowledge to know what a theory is?

[@eamonnmurphy5385]

Try telling this to those suffering from cancer or those who were at Aushwitz. When you are in the interogation room and they are pulling out your fingernails you will not be so flippant about truth and injustice etc!

[@CMVMic]

@@eamonnmurphy5385 Chill out dude! If you prefer to tell people whatever they want to hear to ease their suffering, by all means, go ahead.

[@eamonnmurphy5385]

@@CMVMic 'A man with a why can bear any how'.

[@CMVMic]

@@eamonnmurphy5385 Friedrich Nietzsche

[@eamonnmurphy5385]

@@CMVMic We Catholics offer our suffering up like Christ did. It probably does not ease the suffering but it gives it purpose!

[@mockupguy3577]

What is wrong with believing without evidence? It has to do with probability. There is nothing wrong in believing something probable. But believing something improbable is irrational. Unfortunately this does not help us much in the gods and pixies department as there will be no consensus at all regarding their probabilities.

[@jw2877]

At a minimum, we can all agree we are in this constant moment of time right now. Not the future, not the past, this is the present moment as a singular constant process that dictates the past and future. Does anyone ever ask if this system known as the universe may even have a beginning or end process? Was the big bang possibly a rupture from another unknown process. Why does a beginning and end have to be? Because we only know being born as a beginning and die as the end? Maybe, just maybe..we are not intelligent enough to recognize that simple concept? Can it be that this moment has always existed and will always be? Or has God alwalys existed without a beginning or an end such as the universe may possibly be? Does Time and space have no beginning or end ultimately and that may be God in it self?

[@dongshengdi773]

@HelloThere That's why I keep on telling everyone that both Science and Religion are the same Coin of Opposite sides . They are both just Speculation , Therefore they both require Faith. … Nothing in Science has ever been proven.. We don't even know what is reality .

[@djcarey1206]

Man's mind is made in the image of the Universe and the Universe is a mirror of the mind of the ALL. Everything is of the ALL yet Everything doesn't constitute the ALL!! Atom ⚛is everywhere but we can't see it yet it is everywhere; in Everything!! The philosophy/Science of the Universe is the TRUTH. Religions were created then sprinkled with a grain of TRUTH to lead the masses into the darkness!

[@we7663]

The irrationality component comes alive in the way people act on their belief in a deity. Plantinga must believe in some benign deity that doesn't cause any religious abuse to its believers or cause its believers to abuse society based upon their irrational beliefs.

[@francesco5581]

are you sure that the massacres of the 20th century were caused by believers ? Because Hitler, Stalin , Pol Pot were hard core atheists ... People can act bad on any principle...

[@we7663]

@@francesco5581 I'm not quite sure what atheism has to do with totalitarianism. The Russian Tsar was a religionist and a totalitarian. Ayn Rand was an atheist and a strong believer in unregulated capitalism. Not understanding the connection.

[@francesco5581]

@@we7663 the connection is that if you want to be evil or rule or whatever you can use whatever excuse that suits you. Can be religion , can be totalitarianism , can be atheism , can be even love sometimes.

[@Ward1859]

@@francesco5581 I would think most dictators revel in the power, whether or not they believe in a deity. If one believes in a deity they are expected to follow the dictates of the deity (which in Plantinga's case seems quite mild). However, some theists believe that their deity's dictates must be obeyed by society. Quakers believe that their deity requires basic human rights for all. This seems like a good thing. Other religionists believe that their deity sets limitations on certain people, like women or gays. I'm sure that some atheists are misogynists or homophobic, but I seriously doubt that they base their ideas on their non-belief in a deity. Whereas a theist is mandated to believe whatever their deity requires regardless of the rationality underlying the belief.

[@francesco5581]

@@Ward1859 On that i agree with you , should be sufficient a consciousness to understand the difference between good and evil. Being bad or good have nothing to do with a belief. Religious messages were distorted or used at own advantage, for power or stupidity. This is the same for atheists who were at Epstein table for example. OR hardly the church would have done horrible things if they stayed close to the original message of Jesus ( Atheist leaders didnt even to have to confront with that message)

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

Could thoughts of meaning and existence be arguments for God, which thoughts of meaning and existence go beyond the physical?

[@djcarey1206]

To access the dimensions one must tune out to tune in then tune in to tune out! Vibrations!

[@olemarkusnordhagen6988]

As an agnostic- atheist I find no problem in accepting Plantingas argument. Believing in God is completely rational, as the question of whether they (I don´t see any point in assuming the sex traditions have assumed of a capital ´g´ God) exist or not remains an open one. Furthermore, in classic theism, it seems to me necessarily a philosophical question. This means that it is not a question which can be answered scientifically. The goal post will always be moved, so to speak. This may cause dismay for some, as it is impossible to understand the question as a scientific hypotheses which is falsifiable. Although, neither is the principle of falsification - after all, how would one proceed? Therefore, I see no problem with the of the "god hypothesis", as (I think) John Searle chooses to call it. (Although I agree "the hypothesis" is very ambition, which therefore discourages my belief in God. If I had a religious experience, which contained something (I don´t know exactly what) that could amend for many problems, possibly I would believe). So, given my commitments to the opening for some questions as tenable with non-scientific (as opposed to *un-scientific*) answers, it would seem to me that - in accordance with Plantingas short lecture above - that I am committed to being open for believing in God being rational. Which I am. In my view, strong non-agnostic atheism would seem both irrational, and, in addition, also hypocritical, in the case it judges religiosity.

[@cameron4332]

believing in god is not rational lmao

[@evaadam3635]

Philosophy does not inform religion. What Philosophy does is helping us think intelligently to save us from the insanity of staring at Darwin's IGUANA as our Original Mama. Philosophy, therefore, not only guides religion but also protects it. In other words, atheists, agnostics, skeptics can never be coherent Philosophers because they stare at Darwin's Munky as their Original Mommy, applying willfully irrational/illogical arguments, all because they are addicted to the sense of NO ACCOUNTABILITY for doing every thing they desire, immoral or not, despite knowing that they do not make any sense...

[@cameron4332]

is this comment satire

[@cps_Zen_Run]

When one is open to believing without credible evidence, there is nothing, regardless how irrational or detrimental, they could believe.

[@considerthis7680]

Another person who gives credibility to my belief that religion is a diagnosis.

[@mockupguy3577]

If find the definition of rational as “not seriously malfunctioning” too forgiving.

[@1p6t1gms]

I would think there is no understanding here of how or if religion harms the human consciousness as well as the belief in a “soul.” And if any harm comes about here through misinterpretations and belief in beliefs for belief sake's. However, we do know belief in these religions have caused tremendous harm throughout world history right up into modern times, whether it be one or the other and it still continues at this very moment of my text. All stemming from belief based on a misunderstood message of peace that could only ever really be achieved by the individual or individuum human consciousness and its ability to think and progress on its own... as opposed to following misinterpreted death. You will not convince the others anymore than they will convince you of these confusing doctrines that needs someone to explain it from the pulpit from endlessly different meanings and views... and it always ends up into the political functions of society. It is the most dangerous concept out in the world from its conception to its false interpretations...

[@eamonnmurphy5385]

So communism is ok seeing as it's not a religion. Between Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot, we possibly have over 100,000,000 dead in the 20th century in these regimes? Then we have colonialism at maybe another 100,000,000 over the last 500years. Shall I go on?

[@1p6t1gms]

@@eamonnmurphy5385 The problem is... each one of these leaders from history has a history with religion, including WW2 leaders in Germany's and Italy. All of them can be researched with very little effort. Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini and Pol Pot...

[@1p6t1gms]

However, it become more complex than just pointing your finger at something and repeating a "meme."

[@1p6t1gms]

@@eamonnmurphy5385 You may start your investigation by religious populations within these counties by the church's ballot or Government census and you will so find out just how religious the countries were... in the upper 90% for many of the most pious nations throughout their history.

[@eamonnmurphy5385]

@@1p6t1gmsInteresting , but these are weak points! Tell me which of these were acting in accordance with the religion of their birth? Is Christianity at fault for the life and works Christopher Hitchens? I would guess he was born Christian!

[@javadhashtroudian5740]

I believe at this time quantum mechanics is a great description of the micro and general relativity the macro I believe some descriptions of god are inconsistent others are not Talking about belief in X without defining X is a waste of time

[@mehdibaghbadran3182]

To become a millionaire, believe, is different, because, behinds each millionaire is huge scientific knowledge, based on evidence, and your actions, and your evidence, which they are all done ✅

[@chrisc1257]

Not a wiff of Heidegger eh?

[@cameron4332]

his rationality argument just made me question his rationality holy fuck lol

[@evanjameson5437]

If you want to believe--BELIEVE and if you don't want to believe in God DON'T.. The problem arises when either side condemns or belittles the other.. There is NO proof either way--the Atheists need to get down off their perch and the Theists need to just live their faith.

[@heckle9]

Seems to me you oversimplfy the issue.

[@Deepakyadav-vp8xx]

God has not one believe it varies from religion to religion it creates confusion about God.

[@adamburling9551]

What?

[@jamesbentonticer4706]

What???

[@S3RAVA3LM]

True. So the people of religion know not what they claim to believe in. And a belief is really about inquiry so growing -- not stagnate thinking, which is what religion is today.

[@S3RAVA3LM]

@@jamesbentonticer4706 God hasn't belief, it's humans who have opinions and beliefs, which obscure true Spiritiality. Religions vs religions = ignorance vs ignorance. Science is not left out, their belief is just a silly -- materialism is false.

[@S3RAVA3LM]

Has anyone ever heard tell of a religion that touches on the expounding of a true philosopher? I haven't found a Christian church that even knows what they claim to believe in. They dont understand, because the do not question or even seek to Know. So I have to say, no. Philosophy doesn't inform religion -- atleast not today.

[@jamesruscheinski8602]

Does the human capacity for belief argue for God, as belief is not evidence for physical reality and basically applies to non-physical thoughts?

[@projectmalus]

I would argue that a flock of birds has belief in the efficacy of the communal knowledge of that flock, otherwise they could not react so swiftly in context. The belief is non-physical but based on the physical, various sense data expressed by each node or bird. No different from us except one internalized, one externalized. The internalized one - us - able to go out of context. A belief in imagination?

[@maxwellsimoes238]

Possibilities philosophy figuret out religious is , so zero. Religious is incompatible because religious is dogma. Guys argue are fallacies show up religius proof as comum sense .

[@ChuckBrowntheClown]

Like you said Alan it's bottom line of avoidance. If you avoid to know him, how is he going to know you?

[@mockupguy3577]

Wow. Alvin making sense. I am blown.

[@richardmooney383]

Plantinger is not really an apologist but he makes an apologia. By his own admission his belief in God is "personal", in that it arises from a feeling, which he happens to believe was implanted by God but admits could have arisen in other ways, rather than on reason or logic. All he is really saying is "my belief in God is neither irrational nor unwarranted but I cannot demonstrate that it is true". Well, I want to know whether it is true, and he, charming as he is, offers no answer to that question.

[@kuroryudairyu4567]

Philosophy can and is important and beautiful, for science too, religion on the contrary can be very very very dangerous and it's not a good thing, most of the time

[@Merih98614]

Thank God that Salvation is *by FAITH* rather than *by intellect* . Most of us would have dropped out in our first year of thinking.

[@djcarey1206]

The Spirit is the TRUTH/LIGHT, ATOM ⚛/ADAM! Not the SON but the SUN!

[@B.S...]

Ah!! It's Gandalf speaking from his ivory tower at Notre Dame. Refusing to look through the telescope! Handing the pen to Galileo so he can sign his recantation. Smiling as Bruno is lowered into the flames. Shirking responsibility, defended by the majority and fully warranted by ignorance.

[@francesco5581]

Doh you had to go very far away in history ...why you dont look what you atheists friends Hitler, Pol Pot and Stalin have done in the 20th century ?

[@criticalthinker2477]

@@francesco5581 Hitler wasnt an atheist. Do your research!

[@B.S...]

@@francesco5581 Unicef data - 5+ million children, 5 years and under, died in 2019. That adds up to 100 million infants and toddlers that have died so far in the 21st century. Lost progeny is 3x or 4x the number of dead. Somebody's not doing their praying... As for you it's back to the bell tower and keep ringing that bell Quasimodo!

[@francesco5581]

@@B.S... Why God should matter into that ? is his fault if people prefer to buy himself a new big car, a smartphone and not helping them ? Can he really chose who to save and who not ? Would life matter if he does ?

[@francesco5581]

@@criticalthinker2477 Hitler was a super atheist, that is in all his private speeches . He used religion just to please the Prussian military elites and the army in general since they were usually religious. That was made by Mussolini too, he made agreements with the Pope while ridiculing Jesus Christ in private.

[@micheldisclafani2343]

God is a feeling in your heart that you can call God or not. I have concluded at 83 that it is positive in life to call it God.

[@mohammedphilonous6856]

What if you try so hard to find God in your heart but you find nothing there, no sensus divinatis as they call it, what then? Genuinely asking.

[@S3RAVA3LM]

Belief in Gawd? I dont believe in love, essence, intellect, power, reason, operation, inner sense, life, light, divinity, form or purpose. I don't believe in the cosmos, stars, sun, nature, life, experience, beauty. Belief means faith, faith means to recieve. Do you recieve the Spirit? All men have souls, not a souls acquire Spirit. And it's evident in a persons thoughts, speech, actions ; displayed in their values, priorities, commitments. Empirical, corporeal, superficial knowledge -- science. I have no Reason to believe that science has authority, or the cult of science to say what is and what isn't. Science cannot understand or explain what all this is. We Spiritual humans can, on a Spiritual degree can comprehend what science cannot; and we grow where science cannot. This channel talks about things, but never practices the things spoken of or expound any insight regarding them. If you use science as your guide, be prepared to never get anywheres. And if anybody applies science as their guide in life -- what a foolish person.

[@thedude9620]

😳 You're all over the place with this rant. The beleaguered blatherings of a baffoon.

[@S3RAVA3LM]

@@thedude9620 you're not intelligent enough to see that which i emphasized on. I thought you were a typical troll, now I realize you're just slow.

[@cameron4332]

logic has authority over both faith and science

[@thedude9620]

@@S3RAVA3LM 😂 Yeah, right! 😂

[@janklaas6885]

🇺🇳8:31

[@mehdibaghbadran3182]

The God’s is combination of all bright minds, and this belief is exists!

[@Williamb612]

philosophy informs religion and religion informs philosophy…let’s cover meaningful stuff please

[@RayhanulSumon]

Christianity and philosophy not going together. Talk islamic scholar they have solid philosophical argument.

[@roksanaskorupa]

Like spliting the Moon into two parts.

[@dongshengdi773]

Christianity and Islam are both Abrahamic religions with the same origins That's why Holy.Bible and Quran are similar . In that aspect , Hinduism has more solid philosophical Argument , or even Buddhism to a lesser degree . (although some would argue that Buddhism is better than Hinduism) But Buddhism is just a derivative of Hinduism just like Islam is a derivative of Christianity.

[@S3RAVA3LM]

@@dongshengdi773 the bible is a composite of: astrology, astronomy, psychology, mysticism, hinduism( Christ teaches Hinduism teachings), Spirituality, gnosticism, hermeticism. Christianity isn't original, nor is the Bible. Islam -- i don't know what Islam is and something tells me to stay away because they seem biased, angry, egotistical... You can't tell Muslims the Truth. They think the quran is the word of gawd.

[@S3RAVA3LM]

Trinity(electromagnetism )of Christianity. Dialectric: father. Magnetic, holy spirit: mother Electric, the hybrid of father and mother: Sun( Jesus Christ) I am the way, the light the life, nobody comes to the father except through me. Through Christ we can know the father. The Sun is the Spiritual essence of God. This is Philosophy and is the core of the Universe, and is the core of Christianity. This alone renders you ignorant in what you assume. Good luck debating this.

[@ManiBalajiC]

Believing in God is the most outdated idea humans stuck with.