Richard Swinburne - Arguments About God?

[@Love-cs4tj]

Who else loves it when Closer To Truth uploads?

[@bradleygt1070]

I definitely do!! Excellent channel

[@Cebos359]

2k views and 100 likes common people

[@catherinemoore9534]

Sufism is closer to the answer to that question. Being rational doesn't get you anywhere when looking for a connection with God.

[@garyb8528]

I agree. I am glad I found this channel

[@carlosangon]

One of my favorite shows!!!

[@ReynaSingh]

Whenever this topic discussed, humility is essential. God is such a polarizing topic that it seems few approach it with an open mind

[@CriticalThinker02]

Agreed

[@9snaga]

Humility should not compromise, integrity and objectivity in the debate.

[@stephenlawrence4821]

I think anybody who approached the subject with an open mind would become an atheist. It's because people are often brought up believing and want to believe, that the belief continues.

[@canwelook]

The Christian religion demands a closed mind. It is called faith: Certainty of belief in what you want to be true in the absence of any visible evidence. Hebrews 11:1.

[@rizwanrafeek3811]

@Reyna Singh You are Sikh and you worship GGS, correct me If I am wrong?

[@drdkphd]

Mr Kuhn does a great job of asking questions with a manner of respect which allows the person to fully explain themselves. These are some of the deepest and most polarizing topics out there and he truly allows the viewer to form their own opinions…uncommon these days, but much appreciated!

[@jjharvathh]

Yes, I like the way Kuhn did not interrupt every 30 seconds with some comment like, "Oh, yeah, well then you are an idiot," like ordinary people tend to do.

[@evanjameson5437]

Yet another GREAT conversation from RLK--this series is the very best on all of youtube--it's fair, rational, open minded with all types of guests and opens minds to many discoveries. Thanks again Robert for your relentless pursuit of knowledge and other dimensions.

[@teraygrayabe2677]

For a intelligent person this fella talking has me lost each time he gives a talk makes hardly any sense

[@bluelotus542]

After so much research, Mr. Kuhn might deserve to have the truth come closer to him. This is the matchless gift I wish for his Christmas 2021.

[@jeffjones3040]

The main religions of the world, if not all religions of the world, should have crafted them MUCH more carefully. Why? Because it is rather easy to tear them apart.

[@Bill..N]

This fine gentleman is free to believe whatever He chooses BUT, without personal disrespect, I would assert his inferences that there are LEGITIMATE scientific arguments that support a personal God are naively and completely incorrect...There IS however abundant observational evidence to suggest the opposite..One opinion.

[@commonsensetrading4103]

I haven't heard him saying his arguments are scientific. Where you have got that idea from? He is a philosopher I would assume his arguments will be logical arguments deductive arguments or inductive arguments but not scientific one.

[@ChuckBrowntheClown]

The way of prayer is supplication and Thanksgiving to be in constant of it.

[@wayneasiam65]

Gotta love Robert Kuhn interviews. Merry Christmas and Happy holidays to all. I believe in God as I embrace science and advances in physics. So much of science is rooted in Mathematics. It's a hard taskmaster.

[@maxwellsimoes238]

Robert khun is challatan. He undermines Science while he proposes is subscribe vídeo.

[@ChuckBrowntheClown]

What about the people that talk about God before the Middle ages? Which includes the Bible the Old testament and the New testament.

[@godlessbeliever4817]

God exists in believers head only!!!

[@cps_Zen_Run]

Godless, my impression is that they believe in believing.

[@godlessbeliever4817]

@@cps_Zen_Run ,👍👍👍

[@RolandHuettmann]

Sorry, I am not satisfied with the result of the interview. And Mr. Swineburne creates an aura of intellectual arrogance -- but maybe it is just my impression. He is moving in his chair feeling uncomfortable with the question? God is because we are? Is this the essential argument for God?

[@mylucksmiles]

These arguments are egos dressed up in points of a mr egos personal view . The Tower if Babel's legacy lives on because in your confusion , identifying ideas not experience through inner peace. God is only within a inner peace ,but lost again within the argument..... Seek and you will find knock and the door will be open to you is as much a warning about what you should be seeking. You all seem to be seeking to prove yourself right . You seek knowledge never wisdom . I have no schooling or degree, just experiences of peace love and freedom to be. You seem to what to ask each other. Try asking God himself.... , The Tower of Babel never goes away with words , hope this helps because all I hear is confession., dressed up in words. God is not Lost people are God finds you , In His timing. Seek peace its God's calling card.

[@rizwanrafeek3811]

@Iam Iam What do you believe in? You are a Buddhist, Hindus, Christians or Muslim? Which one?

[@mylucksmiles]

@@rizwanrafeek3811 after my own experiences with encounters of a spiritual kind. Being a western male I turn to Christianity. I followed that path for 17 years. How ever I noticed that I was never happy with church . There was no doubt that the conversation within Christianity had Left me with a sadness in the way others viewed their relationship towards a God. I left with no plan. Since then I realised the blind men and their encounter with a elephant explained best the past. Relationships with the relligous THE SAME Elephant...BUT NEVER within a common Peace and/ or presence. Those two things did not leave me because they are in me and apart of me now. I believe that people put two things together 1+1 and make it equal 3. The creation of the universe and man kind are two very distant and separate events . The idea they are connected by the same creator is purely relligous . We have come out of this world . Where as people say we came into this world at our point of birth. People's lanuage limit them to their cultural influence they are fused together . You will only ever encounter the soul or spirit within your personal peace.' A rose by any other name would smell as sweet." All faith's claim their view is right. Having been in this peace the next danger of the religious is to name it and claim it as their own .. many look to find a God within concept . What you seek is being negated by the act of seeking, so you will find more self and therefore more unanswerd questions. If self knew it would not ask, and even worse when self thinks it knows it turns into doctrination mode. So you say.... "seek and you will find .", This to me is a warning about seeking to answer your own question. Most see it as command to go looking to others for answers it says seek not ask a believer . The mind is always asking looking to its self to endurase self reasoning .Then you find what you want not what you need. So put away any idea of a god. Only seek within the inner peace will you be able to Commun with higher self. If you trust in God he will pick up your slack. Only then will answers come .In then songs of king David wrote and sang . "Do you not know you are gods." All those questions in the head asking all those top shop sales men who all believe they will solve their questions. Yet you are no wiser . It is Within your inner peace where you find yourself. Both light and and darkness dwell within everyone .you should never live in the shadow of another . I am light and darkness . I am me learning about me. No faith in faith's. But learning always learning . Try the video called Samadhi on KZbin .there are 3 the last one is Samadhi 2-3 . The universe is in you looking looking back at its self. I follow my heart , try it for one month. I hear you all very interesting but like a sick man needing a cure . You look among the sick to explain your pain . I hope you found this helpful . I am just a retired warehouse worker . But I double as a artist and friend to everyone seeking . Last point love .love is only experience at a personal level yet we all think we love deepy and we have loved in full measure. Everyone thinks that. So with spiritual matters . Enjoy I am all of the above . And no longer any of the above because I dropped the labels . I love your channel It's thought provoking . By the way those blind men with the elephant , there is another saying . In the Valley of the blind ,,,,,,the one eyed man is king . Smiles please .All the best with your elephant hunting.

[@rizwanrafeek3811]

@@mylucksmiles _"I hear you all very interesting but like a sick man needing a cure . "_ You didn't answer my question directly. If there are 7.5 billion people are on Earth, then there are 7.5 billion self made up religions and spirituality versions could exists on Earth, none of which ordained by God. What is valid before the God is what God Himself ordained for humanity. So I am not sick or looking or in need of cure. I found Islam. The Quran is literal spoken words of the Creator of the universe. I wonder if you had chance to read the Quran?

[@mylucksmiles]

@@rizwanrafeek3811 why read about your mother wife kids ,why not talk directly to them ? There in is the problem for the religious. They are left with no choice but to seek others options. Relie on a book .Because they never got an answer when try asking directly . Simply ask your version of God to speak to you. If the only answer you can return to me is from a book to prove me wrong . You have only confirmed you're indoctrination.. See it like this you are seeking answers . I am in a relationship building and growing . This truth infuriates the indoctrinated . I know I have peace love and that l am erenal. Keep looking and seeking if you wish from your book But for all the written words only one spoken directly to anyone would invalidate all such books. Thankfully I was guided away from the dogma of bookish ideas . I think my truth as upset you. But truth is and will ulteametly set people free so I care enough to answer you honestly .. I wish you well on your journey. Education based on dogma will leave people questioning and seeking only conformation they are right by numbers of likes on a youtube style basis click here box. What I have and know I speak from experience not from being feed like a bady dependent on a word book filled milk page from out of a bottle called dogma. Simply ask God you're self .... May be the answers you are missing by a none personal reply to you direct from God is an ananswer in its self. Read ask do everything like you are doing ,over and over again . BILLIONS AND BILLIONS DO, so yes everyman creates his own or her own concept To see this is nothing mystical it is just human nature .The real spiritual life directs them to the real one. To deny it is to deny truth its self, you just have to get past relligous dogma and those comforting lies you tell each other and over again . To keep up appearances .looking for praise from others. Its that simple . Hope this helps you . If it anoid you ask your self why it did . Any one who is indoctrinated will find my words enrage them. But why would they do that if you are a reasonable person. I have showen you only your self . Now ask God for an answer give me . If you don't get one no need to reply . Make one up and I will know its source. Either way I do wise you well and Hope you are found by God. Because God is not lost . He knows where he is . Your the one who is lost regarding where God is . So he will have to rescue you like he did me ..hope you get found. Really my heart goes out to you . I do think you are looking .

[@rizwanrafeek3811]

@@mylucksmiles _"why read about your mother wife kids ,why not talk directly to them ?"_ My Mother, wife and kids are following God's guidance, not men's thoughts and ideas or men's authored books. _" They are left with no choice but to seek others options. "_ You followed men's religion before and now you follow your own religion. _"Relie on a book . "_ The Quran came from the Creator of universe, whereas you followed NT which was authored by men. _"Because they never got an answer when try asking directly . "_ You never did ask the question to Muslims. _"Simply ask your version of God to speak to you. "_ I don't have a version of God, but this is what I believe who God is for muslims. Quran 112:1 Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; 2: Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; 3: He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; 4: And there is none like unto Him. You have a problem with Islamic version of God? _" If the only answer you can return to me is from a book to prove me wrong . You have only confirmed you're indoctrination. "_ The Quran came from God, who is better to tell about the God, better than God Himself? whereas in your case, if there are 7.5 billions people follow what you follow then there are 7.5 version of 'gods' exists in your people mind. However for Muslims there is only one version of God, as mentioned in Quran 112:1-4 and within the Quran God tells who HE is.

[@ManiBalajiC]

Everything is just an balance as you see in the universe , everything has an opposite. Existence is must else it violates nothingness , either we are heading towards absolute nothingness or started out of it to balance it.

[@maxwellsimoes238]

What? Rambling.

[@Ploskkky]

Robert should interview me about my magical fantasies. Mine are very cool and entertaining too, and just as absurd as christian theological fantasy.

[@commonsensetrading4103]

OK provide evidence that Christian theology is absurd.

[@commonsensetrading4103]

@@notgunnadoit7461 That doesn't give any evidence in support of your claim. The burden of proof is on the one who makes the claim in this case you.

[@conordevery2306]

@@commonsensetrading4103 The fact that it rests upon the claim a dead person came back to live is evidence of it's absurdity. It is absurd to claim dead people come back to live.

[@commonsensetrading4103]

@@conordevery2306 Why it's absurd? Don't you think that if there are more advanced living beings in the universe they might have the technology to make dead alive?

[@conordevery2306]

@@commonsensetrading4103 It's possible perhaps. That you'd have to speculate to that degree to even make the resurrection vaguely plausible is indicative of it's absurdity.

[@RYANTHEORY_]

Let's imagine the following: If you were god and you could do anything you want for infinity, how "long" would it take you before you'd get bored? To me the only way is to make infinite simulations to have infinite experiences. All Meanings are relative and therefore can only be expressed through comparison. For instance Opposites, Value is expressed only through scarcity, happiness doesn't have meaning in the absence of suffering etc. All of these are informations which are interpreted by consciousness as experience. Consciousness/God Can only exist in information systems, like two side of the same coin. Ps: Please share more ideas if u have any.

[@youdontexist.]

If god existed it would not be a person getting bored in eternal infinity.

[@RYANTHEORY_]

@@youdontexist. You're completely missing the point but it's Ok.

[@youdontexist.]

​@@RYANTHEORY_ sorry I was replying to your first part of the comment, my bad. You are on a good way with "consciouness experiencing stuff" though. I wouldnt say that everything requires opposites, I would say all these stuff - value, happiness, suffering - are chemical reactions in our bodies. Our consciousness gives them a meaning. They dont exist on their own. Personally I think the easiest way to understand the existence of universe and consciousness and us is by understanding quantum physics. Realizing that everything exists because of infinite possibilites is mindblowing and refreshing at the same time.

[@RYANTHEORY_]

@@davidfannin7187 Amazing, thanks for sharing 🙏🏻 I'm convinced that this reality is a program, physics is a program, our DNA is a program. We are a form of AI created by other intelligent beings. We can agree to disagree but it's just my opinion.

[@juwitahasin9904]

you're so wise

[@skiphoffenflaven8004]

Some just need it, like nicotine addicts want cigarettes or vape pens, or alcoholics need liquor, or narcissists need their image to be perfect, or sex addicts need to get off. The religious are no different. They simply need a god to be there. Straight and to the point.

[@IR17171717]

Yes, same with atheism in many cases.

[@soubhikmukherjee6871]

There are no arguments about God's existence aka infinite consciousness. Arguments are too shallow and God, in fact, made the notion of an argument 🙄

[@antongromek4180]

I begin to feel a little sad for brave Mr. Kuhn, searching so desperately for "his" truth 😢

[@maxwellsimoes238]

Mr. Khur is comments fake Science. He brainwash views.

[@S3RAVA3LM]

He's rich

[@maxwellsimoes238]

@@S3RAVA3LM rich and challatan are bizarre combination. While brainswashing Science his are making Money in subscrib vídeo

[@joey8k260]

i find it amusing when arguing with believers because they feel they have the ultimate answers when in reality none of us have any clue whatsoever. they also hate the idea of “nothingness”

[@francesco5581]

we dont hate the idea of nothingness ...Are materialists that hate it because they cant explain a reality that popped out of it without a causation

[@mikes6281]

Nothing is something.

[@francesco5581]

@@mikes6281 Cosmological nothing is something because it have laws and forces. but nothingness is nothingness.

[@mikes6281]

@@francesco5581 I cannot conceive nothing, something has to be there even if you call it nothing, Is nothing like when you close your eyes and see blackness? It is still blackness.

[@francesco5581]

@@mikes6281 is related to the question "why there is this something instead of nothingness". We know that there is no nothingness...There was nothingness in the past ? Surely not since nothing can come out from nothingness. SO there was always something (not nothing).

[@naturemc2]

I think, the argument is simple do you want to believe in God or not. If yes. Then, which God. The arguments and controversial issues are in the domain of which God. Many people genuinely believe there must be something. But, religions claim make the beauty of God to authoritarian problems for humanity.

[@darkknightsds]

Would love to hear the rest of this!

[@georgegrubbs2966]

What exactly is a "deep religious experience"? He leaves that undefined. "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool." - Richard Feynman. If you have a "deep awareness of God." Again, he just assumes that such "awareness" is true and valid. That is an invalid assumption. No, these instances of belief are not "perfectly rational." True, information was limited to priests, so that was just someone's opinion. There aren't any valid arguments for the existence of a god. Ancient writings are not authoritative - they represent beliefs and opinions. Tradition doesn't hold up to current evidence to the contrary. Gods don't "tell people to do things." Why should it be difficult to "make contact with God"? Shouldn't that be easy and obvious? Why the secret? Swinburne is well off-base even through he couches his misinformation in logic. It boils down to Swinburne's personal belief, not logic or evidence.

[@magnusjonsson7303]

Arguments About Safety?

[@onestepaway3232]

Argument is simple. Everything coming from nothing is a mathematical scientific impossibility, so math and science point to something as the source for everything. That is a start

[@cps_Zen_Run]

One Step, the Big Bang Theory doesn’t have the Universe starting from “nothing “. I have only heard the “from nothing " comment/ position from theists.

[@onestepaway3232]

@@cps_Zen_Run Lawrence Krauss. Theist believe something from something that something being God

[@cps_Zen_Run]

@@onestepaway3232 don’t you mean your god came from nothing?! If any god can arise, then the universe could also arise, without any deities. Also Lawrence doesn’t make the claim “from nothing. “

[@onestepaway3232]

@@cps_Zen_Run the universe is finite. It cannot arise from nothing. God is eternal meaning no beginning or end and outside space and time, so such an entity can bring the universe into existence reasonably

[@S3RAVA3LM]

@@cps_Zen_Run why is it any of your concern? I wonder why all these shills and atheists like you care so much. You people are empty inside and there's something in you that is off, or else you wouldn't be bothered.

[@redriver6541]

Another fantastic episode. Thank You.

[@rizwanrafeek3811]

In Judaism and Islam, if Christians take Jesus as divine person of Trinity, then the he|| cannot even accept you. In Islam he|| is for bad Ms and Js who reject Islam. Dear Richard Swinburne nobody disputes whether God is personal or not.

[@controllerbrain]

Nothing that is personal has evidence.

[@whysoserious8666]

I suspect that it is rare for someone to believe in God because of an argument. They believe because they were born into it and get emotional and defensive when confronted with an argument.

[@warrenpeterson6065]

If God created the universe then he previously existed in some other realm; possibly another dimension, or possibly ... we can only imagine. So if he now resides on a throne in the upper most layer of Heaven (which is invisible like dark matter) then you must assume he has abandoned his previous life and all that was within it. Did he abandon his creator, other gods, other .... ?

[@kos-mos1127]

There is no outside the Cosmos. It is not nothing is outside the Cosmos. It is that here is no place, dimension ore possibility outside the Cosmos.

[@TheUltimateSeeds]

For anyone who wants to argue against the existence of some sort of higher intelligence being responsible for the creation of the universe, then all they have to do to lend credence to their argument is to provide some irrefutable logic as to how the unfathomable order of the universe was achieved without any form of guidance. In other words, the idea that *"chance"* did it, is a non-starter.

[@kos-mos1127]

That is not how it works. First you have to demonstrate god exists then you can argue if she, he or it created the universe. Arguments do not solve anything because logical fallacies that is why observations are needed.

[@waynedarronwalls6468]

Maybe 'God' created the universe by chance...or, perhaps, created the universe in lieu of anything better to do.

[@TheUltimateSeeds]

@@kos-mos1127 Why is it more important to demonstrate that God exists, than it is to demonstrate the means by which the universe acquired its unthinkable level of order?

[@TheUltimateSeeds]

@@waynedarronwalls6468 By reason of the fact that you are suggesting that God *"created"* the universe, eliminates the "chance" part of your statement. In other words, your statement is a bit self-contradictory.

[@Bandit19990]

@@TheUltimateSeeds because that's called shifting the burden of proof. It's a logical fallacy. The default position in the argument is no one knows how the universe started not god. But because there is not a shred of evidence for a god you need to revert to fallacies. Like the pigeon on the chess board.

[@Bandit19990]

God. I dont know for people that hate not knowing something.

[@maxwellsimoes238]

There inst " personal view of GOD " , so Christian GOD is dogma. There isnt "true quantum " because quanta is inderteminism. Guys are commenting mistake when they are talking baseless proposition.

[@canwelook]

The shallowness of the reasons for belief Swinburne provides, given his employment in Philosophy, is a sad reflection on Philosophy itself.

[@brandursimonsen4427]

Any human speaking with a higher authority than itself assumes God. Some make knowlegde personal and subjective, since they deny a higher premise.

[@cps_Zen_Run]

Every experience only happens in Consciousness. Neuroscience has demonstrated that in prayer one is only talking to themselves.

[@CriticalThinker02]

Does meaning exist?

[@onestepaway3232]

Yes, I think psychology provides evidence that humans need meaning to survive

[@garypotter1746]

I can question a person’s belief! But I can’t question a persons faith

[@chriswaters926]

Is there really any difference . If Their faith encourages them to wicked actions than that faith most certainly may be questioned.

[@richmahogany1710]

Is swineburn missing a leg?

[@TPGNATURAL]

There is a God, There isn't a God = argument from ignorance.

[@catherinemoore9534]

Sufism: reason cannot find God. God is beyond reason.

[@rizwanrafeek3811]

@Catherine Moore If you truly sincerely want to know about the God who created this infinite universe, then you go and read the Quran.

[@catherinemoore9534]

@@rizwanrafeek3811 I'm not sincere. I'm not truly whatever you want me to be. Sorry.

[@rizwanrafeek3811]

@@catherinemoore9534 _" I'm not sincere. I'm not truly whatever you want me to be. Sorry. "_ I understand, it may look like a mountain to climb. Take baby steps, Islam was not sent down to humanity just over night.

[@catherinemoore9534]

@@rizwanrafeek3811 You are taking yourself for a prophet! Platitudes are a tell tale of a second class one.

[@rizwanrafeek3811]

@@catherinemoore9534 _"You are taking yourself for a prophet! Platitudes are a tell tale of a second class one "_ I wonder, if you are waiting for an angel before you?

[@guilejelghoz6536]

True Strong argument

[@dongshengdi773]

Science and religion are two sides of the same deep human impulse to understand the world, to know our place in it, and to marvel at the wonder of life and the infinite cosmos we are surrounded by. Let’s keep them that way, and not let one attempt to usurp the role of the other.

[@cps_Zen_Run]

Dongsheng, a position that “god did it “ is not an explanation for anything. It’s not an attempt to understand, but resignation and excuse not to learn.

[@randywayne3910]

Why would you want to be closer to truth when you can just have the truth? Truth exists and can be accessed by us, we humans can easily know the truth. Start with the truth and build from there, it’s irrational to come from any other direction.

[@cps_Zen_Run]

Randy, it’s often more productive to start with a hypothesis. Then try to disprove it. As opposed to those that claim the truth, and selectively Cherry Pick facts to support their position and ignore that which opposes. Peace.

[@randywayne3910]

@@cps_Zen_Run if the truth was laid out, there are many hypotheses that honest people wouldn’t bother with, because they would recognise their fallibility much quicker. An understanding of truth tells you no god can exist, so it’s irrational to earnestly pretend like it might be so.

[@IR17171717]

Because truths aren't easily knowable in many cases. Look at any scientific or philosophical controversy to see that.

[@jamesconner8275]

I don't know why RLK keeps going back to Swinburne. Swinburne - in my opinion - is well past his shelf date. If you closely follow what Swinburne utters, you'll hear that he doesn't say anything of substance. Clearly RLK knows that. 🤔

[@gettaasteroid4650]

He equivocates a transformative "personal" God with a model for action; a model based on ‘ultimate’ reality. It is unusual to think of the divine so provisionally like this ergo how do we know what the most attenuated model is? Swinburne makes it seem all definitions of ultimate are fallibilist if not comparative… chin rub+shrug

[@jollygreen9377]

Look around you. All the evidence you need.

[@canwelook]

Evidence of existence is not evidence of cause. Simplistic answers like' god did it' or 'it's magic' are not answers at all. There is an absence of proper and sufficient evidence for the existence of any god, let alone any specific one.

[@jollygreen9377]

@@canwelook Disagree. There’s intelligent causes all around us. Laws require a law giver. (Laws if physics) Intelligence requires intelligence and consciousness requires consciousness. There’s intelligence in DNA code not random chance over a long period of time.

[@canwelook]

@@jollygreen9377 Primitive people invented gods of wind and thunder. They couldn't imagine things move without being pushed. We now understand the principles why raindrops fall, why wind blows, why thunder cracks. The "I don't understand, therefore god" argument is both purile and primitive.

[@jollygreen9377]

@@canwelook Can something come from nothing?

[@canwelook]

@@jollygreen9377 Seriously? Nothing can come from nothing ... except your theoretical magical god, eh? Your argument is: 1. You don't understand, therefore god exists 2. A god exists, therefore your particular god (rather than the thousands of other human-invented gods) exists. P.S. Scientific consensus does NOT assert the universe came from nothing. That is a common, misinformed, layman misconception of the big bang.

[@evanjameson5437]

a few thoughts here: 1.) to the atheists--what's the downside of believing? the atheists can never rationalize, what the downside is to a belief position.. 2.) I believe arguments are good if they remain rational and open minded--this can lead to an "even deeper" belief system as the arguments are washed out. Of course it can turn out either way but I believe in the saying, "either you stand for something, or you will fall for anything." 3.) arguments, discussions and seeking the truth, is actually part of the experience in finding God/Higher Power--but to truly be open to a higher power/God possibility, you must drop any hardened prejudice--you must be open minded to the possibility--if you don't find God/higher power after a truly open minded attempt (which should involve enough time to amend your personal prejudices) then fine, you do without God--it's your life and it's your right to decide. I personally have experienced the intervention of a Higher Power/God--the events were inexplicable and profound. There's no test for it, there's no equation for it, there's no hypothesis for it--it is another dimension that moves into/through our existence and co-mingles in our world. I am not a religious person per se--I don't go to Church or belong to organized institutions of any kind--I have led a worldly life but have adjusted my thinking according to specific events that are inexplicable, events that were helpful to me and I am at peace with my life and I am at peace with what the future holds for me in other dimensions after this earthly life. And again--what is the downside to this belief--NOTHING--it's all good--it's positive and I have not heard a SINGLE explanation from a non believer, as to what the downside is to having a BELIEF.. I am not suggesting you go to church to find God or that you read and study the Bible--I'm not against either--but to find or understand God/Higher Power, you must be open without malice or prejudice and God will find you.

[@cps_Zen_Run]

Evan, a short answer to Q1: belief without credible evidence can lead to one flying jets into buildings or attaching bombs to their bodies.

[@hecticnarcoleptic3160]

If you can say, that atheists can never rationalize whats the downside to believing, you've never watched/understood what Matt Dillahunty has been saying on that subject for las 20 years...

[@evanjameson5437]

@@cps_Zen_Run but you're speaking of "organized religion" which do not believe in--organized religion has tangents just like the scientific community has wild speculations and theories that are totally unprovable.. Such as--a pin point full of dust exploded into the mega verse--if you truly believe that I have a bridge to sell you..

[@PrzemyslawSliwinski]

Even more interesting question isn't: why don't people want God to exist?

[@scottymeffz5025]

That would depend on which God we're talking about. The god of the bible for example is a genocidal maniac so we would not want him to exist. Some form of creator being, although there is no evidence for it, would be far more palatable.

[@canwelook]

Or ... why don't people want leprechauns to exist? Or Big Foot? Unicorns? Santa? The Easter bunny? Fairy god mother? Zeus? Thor? Brahma? Isis? Universe-creating pixies? Yeah why don't people want all of these to exist?

[@PrzemyslawSliwinski]

@@canwelook You don't get the idea, do you?

[@PrzemyslawSliwinski]

@@scottymeffz5025 I wouldn't blame God for our - varying in time - approximations.

[@canwelook]

@@PrzemyslawSliwinski Oh I get the idea alright. We trustingly believe in Santa as kids, then we grow up.

[@SandipChitale]

Believing in something to be real because one had a deep personal experience about something is correct, then there is no such thing as hallucination or entities on experiences on a DMT or LSD trip. Of course, that person is free to believe whatever one wants. But do not impose policies based on that on others. Also in that case people of religion A should believe gods of religion B. Are they willing to do that? I guess we should throw away objective, scientific methodology which is the basis of our modern technology (underwritten by science) societies. and go back to stone age.

[@browngreen933]

If God exists, then he's part of existence. But if God is part of existence then what does he consist of? Elements? Moonbeams? Dreams? What? Why don't these experts ever address that simple question?

[@cps_Zen_Run]

Brown, one must have a “testable” premise first. Something must be falsifiable in order to be proven or disproven.

[@browngreen933]

@@cps_Zen_Run Exactly right. That's why I'm asking what God is made of, so we know what there is to test. So far just a big fat nothing.

[@ricardooliveira9774]

They adress that all the time.

[@scottymeffz5025]

Arguments against god: Fish have bones. The human back. As we get older hair often starts growing out of our ears but stops growing on our heads.

[@willc5208]

what?

[@scottymeffz5025]

@@willc5208 It's a lighthearted look at some of the annoying issues about being human. It's somehow not clear?

[@willc5208]

@@scottymeffz5025 that’s not an argument against a god though. I hope you realize that.

[@scottymeffz5025]

@@willc5208 Kinda is but in an amusing way. Eg: If god made us in his likeness then his ears are choc full of hair and he is bald. Is he designed us then how is this back the best design he can come up with? If he made this planet for us then why can we choke on fish bones. Perhaps get a sense of what someone is trying to say before you tell them what they mean.

[@bds8715]

off topic but listening to Joe Biden and then listening to Dr. Swinburne... oh my 😳😅

[@chriswaters926]

We have a good idea of how the world works and it in no way needed a god , personal or other wise. There is no way to honestly argue for a Christian god over any other. What a load of self defensive drivel.

[@colinjava8447]

Well the universe might need a god but I doubt we can ever know for sure what reality is all about. Positing a god just gives you an even harder problem to solve as that thing would be even more complex than the universe. The Christian god is pure drivel though, it's blatantly man made as you can see by his human like personality. As the god question can't be tested for reliably I see no point even taking it seriously, why not consider "spiritual" tapeworms created the universe or some other bollox?

[@kos-mos1127]

Arguments about God never convince anyone because people have to accept the premise that God exists and the provide arguments for the non-existence of God. There is no argument that someone can make to prove the non-existence of something because it just does not exist . God that humans believe in is a man made construct that needs belief and worship. That is not a god it is the embodiment of weakness. A real God needs no worshippers, needs no holy books and needs no churches. A real God would not even acknowledge her or himself as God.

[@scottymeffz5025]

I can prove there is no god! If there was a god then why do hairs grow out of our ears?

[@S3RAVA3LM]

'God' is derivative of Good. I believe [faith (receive)] in what we predicate to good(which is predicate of God). I believe in: truth, light, life, charity, intellect, reason, honor, justice, equality, peace, harmony, healing, wisdom, knowledge, kindness, meaning, purpose, connection, joy, spirit, grace, Divinity. I recieve that which is good because I resonant to and seek that which is good. The more good you do, the more you come to know that which is the good in that which you do. Light is predicate of God -- Light is life, and life is good because it is predicate of God. Is healing, sustenance, energy, expression, life other than good. The corporeal world is a troubled place. I don't understand everything, and I do seek to. I'm have faith in what's predicated to God, that which is good, and will walk that path. I wouldn't be here had it not been for the light, so it is reasonable to acknowledge the light. I believe in God; is truly believing in thyself. All that which is good, and is in you, has been recieved, and is faith. The artificer in you acknowledging thy artistry.

[@kos-mos1127]

I do not believe in such weakness. For it is in ignorance and weakness that people cry out for a God. For my strength comes form within myself. My hope from within myself. Even in the deepest darkest pit of hell I was able to push through without such weaknesses as God and emerge with power and strength.

[@S3RAVA3LM]

@@kos-mos1127 did you create the life in you? Is the sustenance that provides life to your body your's? The intellect you use -- do you own it, is it your's? The love you experience -- if you have any -- did you create that or own it? Everything you think you are or how strong you think you are -- truly it isn't you as in the flesh. What would you be had it not been for the light. Im not sure why you reply to me and not have a discussion with yourself. I cannot help those who do not want to learn. If you do not want to learn, than I have nothing to offer you.

[@scottymeffz5025]

woo woo

[@yeolee2703]

Buddha, "This world is burdensome". Jesus, "There will be tribulations in the world". In Taoism, there is Tai-chi, a circle with white and black equally divided by a curved line. The trick is to stay balanced beyond the two. Buddha, "Dwell not a thought saying, good. Dwell not a thought saying, evil." "Where nothingness dwell, that is the heart." The bible, "Do not partake from the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil." Why do you think you are here? You are from Light, but are walking in darkness. Ancient wisdoms can help you walk wisely, but the Bible has narratives on why and the word to walk you in the light amid darkness.

[@yeolee2703]

@@kos-mos1127 For you are strong above the weak. And rich in strength above the poor spirits. "It is easier for a camel to enter through the eye of a needle than for the rich to enter the kingdom."

[@PicturesofTravel]

Jesus: Hey Timmy, you see that man over there? Timmy: Yes, Jesus I see him. Jesus: He is the man that killed you and your family. He asked me for forgiveness and now he is with us in Heaven. Why don’t you go over there and say hello.

[@rizwanrafeek3811]

in Christian religion, if Jesus(pbuh) was not killed, there is no Christianity and killing Jesus(pbuh) is everything.

[@S3RAVA3LM]

You mean Aries the ram when it's sacrificed. It's astrology you fool. You're a bad person.

[@rizwanrafeek3811]

​@@S3RAVA3LM You cannot deny my post and you cannot refute it, that is a quite irony, therefore my statement above is valid and accurate. I am not the one to believe in such solid waste and you know who does but you jumped to call me a "fool". In Tamil there is a saying, if a street dog bite you, humans don't bite back street dog, otherwise there is no distinction between the humans and street dogs.

[@iamme1361]

This old man was talking incoherently for seven minutes.He finally made no sense at all.

[@thomasridley8675]

How to make a complete fool of yourself. Act like your religious or spiritual theological interpretations are an absolute fact. When they are obviously not.

[@thomasridley8675]

@@Hhjhfu247 Who is more arrogant. The one who thinks they have all the answers to this reality. Or the one who can honestly say that they don't know. When the creator just happens to be the one you believe in. I find that to be very arrogant. And damn convenient.

[@festeradams3972]

And on the 8th day, God was fired for sleeping thru his Universe Design Class...

[@c2farr]

The discussions on this channel always come from the halls constructed of fine timbers taken from the virgin forests where indigenous peoples and wildlife once lived. But the pompous and pretentious stewards of "knowledge" had much better use for such beautiful woods: churches and high brow schools of theology. So it happens that we always start these discussions in places deeply embedded in corruption, genocide, and theft. If the channel proprietor had any guts he would at least occasionally go out among the poor, the homeless, the incarcerated, to get some variations of perspective. Ah, but as we were instructed, we must play it safe.

[@whitetiger2711-f4z]

What on earth are you talking about

[@c2farr]

@@whitetiger2711-f4z ...The ivory tower crowd promoting the God Fantasy for fun and profit.

[@MrSanford65]

It’s interesting, since human consciousness cannot be identified objectively or subjectively- we cannot even come up with an argument to prove that we exist , or at least how . We say we exist because we do this and we do that, we say God exists because he does this and he does that. But if we ever identify human consciousness - it is then we will identify God

[@randywayne3910]

‘Ultimate reality’ haha. There’s reality, and that’s it.

[@commonsensetrading4103]

Yes there is reality and that's it, question is what that reality is, and Is God a part of that reality?

[@Renato404]

One might be tempted to say that god's greatest achievement is to crate reality...while not existing🤔 Now that would be godlike capability🤣🤣

[@randywayne3910]

@@commonsensetrading4103 there is no God.

[@commonsensetrading4103]

@@randywayne3910 Provide evidence in support of your claim.

[@randywayne3910]

@@commonsensetrading4103 the lack of evidence for existence, is evidence of non existence. You made the claim, the responsibility is on you to provide evidence..?

[@evaadam3635]

The value of arguments about any subject is squeezing out the best idea or belief that may be applied to benefit all. So, the value of arguments about God is to discover what is the best sensible interpretation of loving unknown Creator so for all religions to adapt for the Unity of All Faithfuls or Religions so to have a better loving, harmonious, peaceful world to live. However, it is NOT how imperfect men interpret a loving God that matters to the REAL GOD. It is their SINCERE FAITH in the existence of a loving unknown God that matters to God that can welcome their souls back to Heaven. As Jesus and other messengers of faith throughout history had said, "It is only your SINCERE FAITH in a loving God that can save your soul". This means that arguments about God is not what matters to Him. It is your personall faith, by applying your free will to choose, that matters that can save your soul. Arguments about God are therefore IRRELEVANT.

[@rizwanrafeek3811]

@Eva Adam _"It is their SINCERE FAITH in the existence of a loving unknown God that matters to God that can welcome their souls back to Heaven. "_ Even those who follow pagan religions in Africa has got a sincere faith, likewise Christians who believe that God is in need for a son and needed son's blood for mercy and salvation has got "sincere" faith. So your claim of "sincerity" does not go further. Sincerity alone is not enough, one would need openmind-ness and intellectual honesty. _"It is your personall faith, by applying your free will to choose, that matters that can save your soul. Arguments about God are therefore IRRELEVANT. "_ If there 7.5 billion people are on Earth, it means there are 7.5 billions versions of personal-faith could exists on Earth, none of them is accepted by the God who created this infinite universe. What is valid before the God, what God Himself has defined for you.

[@rizwanrafeek3811]

@Eva Adam Read the Quran if you are seriously want to follow what God have defined for you.

[@claudiozanella256]

The existence of the "Son of God" is a awkward thing, tough to decipher: God having a "Son"! But - as shown hereinafter - also the situation of God is awkward, so that the two situations are probably related. They should thus be combined in an attempt to make sense out of them. If this can be obtained, then this constitutes some evidence of the existence of God. God is supposed to perfectly know that One future which will ACTUALLY come true! (That actual future is already amended in accordance with the God's wishes.) That future will come true and - after some more time - will be OUR ONLY ONE PAST. But this implies a SEPARATION of God from the world and mankind! God would simply BOREDLY STARE at what happens in the world, doing NOTHING MORE than staring at that well-known tape which simply regularly UNFOLDS. God had really NOTHING to do because even the God's voice would be ALREADY RECORDED on that tape: his power standing ALONE would exactly take the actions needed by God. In this connection God would refrain to take PERSONALLY actions, because they MUST EXACTLY MATCH those on that tape, a very stringent requirement: no deviations are allowed! If God "reserved the RIGHT TO DECIDE" to change the future whenever He likes, this would mean He does NOT REALLY KNOW what will happen and this is not serious. But that is not the case: when all his decisions are made - IN A PREVIOUS PHASE - God knows exactly the WHOLE future, is happy with that and the MATTER IS CONCLUDED FOR GOOD. Exactly that ONE future shall become true. God is almighty, He cannot afford errors, second thoughts or uncertainties for the future. This all implies that (A) making decisions and (B) knowing the ACTUAL FUTURE are two things MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE. But no problem: God goes through phase (A) BEFORE phase (B) and then He is in phase (B).

[@rizwanrafeek3811]

_"The existence of the "Son of God" is a awkward thing, tough to decipher"_ The God is not a father or a son, but rather God is God and God is not a man or woman. If you insist, your "Jesus is the only Son" of the god, then it is not strange at all should God have a need for a daughter, as you know Christians believe that God has got a need for "Son" already, likewise "god" could have a need for *niece or nephew, or have a need for an aunt or uncle* , possibilities are endless as to, what "god" is in need for. Please help me understand where do you put your fine line that defines the Creator from creations, should God have a need for a "son" ? Not to mention, *all creations on Earth have their need for sons and daughters including parasites* . Knowing who God is and who God is not is imperative, I know for surety that Christians don't know who God is and who God is not. I would encourage you to learn the concept of God in Islam.

[@claudiozanella256]

@@rizwanrafeek3811 You think that the almighty God is here, He knows the ACTUAL future and is free to decide whether to accept of not your prayer. As I previously explained, this is IMPOSSIBLE. As regards the "Son of God", of course God has no sons, daughters, nephews....

[@rizwanrafeek3811]

@@claudiozanella256 _"As regards the "Son of God", of course God has no sons, daughters, nephews.... "_ Thanks Claudio, we have one agreement. _"You think that the almighty God is here, "_ Your creator is closer than you think.

[@rizwanrafeek3811]

@@claudiozanella256 _"He knows the ACTUAL future and is free to decide whether to accept of not your prayer. "_ Jewish American, who asked God to guide him to the correct religion that is accepted by God, please watch this it was a miracle in the broad daylight how God guided him to Islam, kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYqbhaVuYseGrpY

[@rizwanrafeek3811]

@@claudiozanella256 U.S corporal in marine went to Afghanistan and reported identical miracle please watch how God guided to Islam, kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6DKnmV_gdWsb9U

[@stunningkruger]

Adams Family, - Terra ball moon stars. always squabbling, completely M.A.D sometimes good, sometimes bad, they who believe in the land of the dad

[@christophercousins184]

All arguments are more difficult the more specific they are? No, not if you have evidence, which scientists (or engineers or doctors, for that matter) in the main try to use to come up with probabilities, predictions, etc., while those using religious "arguments" do not. These are just the speculations of a believing Christian, which frankly are not very compelling (although he seems a lovely man, seriously). I keep hoping that one of these guests arguing for the existence of "something beyond the natural world" will come up with something actually thought provoking. But, they're the same old arguments I heard as a child, only dressed in academic language or (in the case of guests like Chopra) using pseudo-science to make "legitimate sounding" arguments... In the end these guests, though sometimes interesting, never seem to be getting at anything Closer To The Truth. The idea that you can come up with the "probability of a personal God," through a series of arguments ungrounded in observation of the natural world is regressive... And (as I've already pointed out) more importantly for this forum, brings us no closer to truth.

[@rizwanrafeek3811]

@Christopher Cousins If you are not looking for the truth, the truth will not try to find you. If you nock on the door, it shall be opened for you.

[@rizwanrafeek3811]

@Christopher Cousins Jewish American who asked God to guide him to the correct religion that is accepted by God, it was a miracle in the broad daylight how God guide him to Islam, kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYqbhaVuYseGrpY

[@rizwanrafeek3811]

@Christopher Cousins U.S corporal in marine went to Afghanistan and reported identical a miracle kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6DKnmV_gdWsb9U

[@christophercousins184]

@@rizwanrafeek3811 My friend, you are already a believer so Rev. Polkinghorne doesn't really have to make an argument for you. He seems to be a truly lovely, sensitive and thoughtful man. I'm sure I would enjoy his company and conversation. I just didn't find anything he had to say about making arguments for the existence of something beyond the natural world (let alone, the Christian theistic personal God) compelling. In fact, they're the same kinds of arguments I've heard my whole life. It seems that al one can do is claim a powerful subjective experience (the claim is you've experienced God directly) and then parse out what that experience means for oneself. I have had powerful spiritual experiences, but my conclusions about the nature of those experiences are quite different from Rev. Polkinghorne. I just can't make the leap from having a personal experience and then claiming that reflects objective reality.

[@rizwanrafeek3811]

@@christophercousins184 I don't believe in "Christian's god" and the video I shared with you, has nothing to do with Christian's 'god'. I wonder if you had a moment to watch both videos ?

[@alexbuck625]

Can I get a double nothing-burger with a side of irrelevance?

[@BigNewGames]

It's easier for me to believe in a God that created everything than a big bang happening in the past leading to the diversity of complex life somehow randomly emerging. There is more observational evidence indicating this universe was created to last billions of years, perfect the first time around than there is evidence of multiple universes.

[@maxwellsimoes238]

There isnt evidence GOD created Big Bang or Multi Universe . GOD Universe creation need proof evidence. NOW Big Bang or Mult Universe are Science Hipotesy. GOD however are evidence in HIS Hipotesy. GOD is principles when Science are only fallacies.

[@scottymeffz5025]

There is no observational evidence indicating this universe was created to last billions of years, perfect the first time around. Fixed your sentence, you're welcome

[@cps_Zen_Run]

BigNews, sounds to me this is a position from a non-science major. May I recommend an introductory book on Cosmology or evolutionary biology?

[@9Risky]

“Congrats to Everyone who is early and found this comment”!

[@SqwarkParrotSpittingFeathers]

No god. Where is it?

[@philos_theos]

He is everywhere. Repent and believe!

[@dongshengdi773]

God of the Atheist doesn't exist because he is your god.

[@Bandit19990]

@@philos_theos be a sheep

[@olivierdelyon8196]

The Living Universe itself is God,God is da Living Universe, period..... 👍

[@Life_42]

The Universe/Universes = God End of discussion. Keep exploring and enjoying life!

[@richarda8182]

We can accept a tree, metal can exist base on evolution, but a chair can never exist by evolution, a chair must be designed or created by a creator/designer. Have you not heard of Alpha and Omega? The Alpha God is The Eternal Evolution God, The Omega is Infinite Creation God. The pairs been called by many names. The Alpha is Most High Holy Anointed/Christ. It was the Alpha that self-exist from Nothingness in beginning; The Alpha is The Consciousness: Logos, The Omega is Soul made of Light. On day of creation, Alpha FELL apart from Omega. The problem has been many human want their consciousness to replace The Alpha Consciousness hence the Antichrists. There's no human consciousness with ability to self exist from Nothingness hence Alpha is Anointed above all but some dudes believe they can scam as, destroy, supplant the Alpha. At end, Omega shall laugh at them in derision.

[@richardwilliams473]

God was created by mankind not the other way around

[@DonaldKronos]

It's rather disgusting while someone can complete arguments and evidence as if they're the same thing. Yes, it is evident that there is probably at least one camera in that room, and arguing that there is at least one camera in that room is pretty much nonsensical as a result because an argument is not necessary. It is absolutely non-evident that there are any gods in that room, and arguing that there is one or more god in that room isn't going to change the lack of evidence. Unlike religion, science seeks evidence both to support and to refute a given point of view. Arguments have some value, but they don't tell you anything about the real world if there's no evidence behind them. Gravity is evident. Evolution is evident. Electricity is evident. The functionality of computation is evident. Nothing supernatural seems to be even the slightest bit evident. Edit: just to be clear, I don't care what they think arguments can justifiably support, when there's no evidence to support the arguments. There is no more evidence for the Christian God than there is for Godzilla and no more evidence that the Christian God ever did or said anything then there is that the tooth Fairy created the entire universe in its image. Nonsense doesn't become sensible just because somebody makes an argument in favor of it. Trying to say that evolution is something that a personal Creator would have used and therefore a personal Creator must exist is identical to saying that evolution is something Godzilla would have used and therefore Godzilla must exist, they're saying that evolution is something the tooth Fairy would have used and therefore the tooth Fairy must exist. It's all nonsense. Evolution is the accumulation of change. Change doesn't need a god to make it add up. Reality doesn't need an imaginary being to bring it into existence.

[@francesco5581]

this is very very superficial. Science is a tool , is not a religion, is not a credo. So the argument science vs religious is shallow and stupid even because 85% of nobel prizes in scientific areas were more or less religious. The proof of good or even the proof of the existence of something "higher" is related to the persona experience of each one. There is not ultimate proof of God as there is no ultimate proof that everything popped out from some materialistic reasons from nothingness or randomness. Materialism and determinism are a religion for their followers. The fact that you see a roll of toilet paper does not mean that you are asking yourself from where it comes and if it popped out in your bathroom for some random coincidences...

[@dongshengdi773]

Science and religion are two sides of the same deep human impulse to understand the world, to know our place in it, and to marvel at the wonder of life and the infinite cosmos we are surrounded by. Let’s keep them that way, and not let one attempt to usurp the role of the other.

[@DonaldKronos]

@@francesco5581 --- pretty much 100% of everything is religious to somebody, but being religious to somebody doesn't in any way validate religion or religious beliefs. As you mentioned, science is a tool and not a religion. The scientific method does not require religion or religious beliefs, nor is it hindered by them as long as the person using it doesn't let them get in the way of finding the truth.

[@DonaldKronos]

@@dongshengdi773 --- yes, analyzing reality scientifically and allowing religion to replace one's view of reality with an illusion are two different sides out of many sides of the human impulse to understand the world.

[@DonaldKronos]

@@Hhjhfu247 --- religion can only bend your view of reality if you let it, and gods can't do anything unless they exist. I don't let religion warp my view of reality, but if your god exists it is welcome to try. I invited to come have a conversation with me on Twitter personally, or face to face. I doubt it will show up because I doubt it is real.