Cloud Gaming Fans are DREAMING

[@R3_dacted0]

Ah, yes. "Cloud gaming." The next step on the ladder of the "you will own nothing and like it" trend.

[@ExiSpawnferkel]

Beacuse owning a game is the pinnacle of human existence.

[@RusticRonnie]

@@ExiSpawnferkelits just one more thing you will pay monthly for. Cars, games, homes, Phones. That shit will add up.

[@yolobro2071]

@@RusticRonnie But you WILL be happy🙂

[@garethbryant2183]

Since when is digitally downloading a game Owning it either.. nothing on the disc these days.

[@ghosthunter0950]

@@garethbryant2183 that's exactly why piracy is making a comeback.

[@ThisIsAitch]

The "two fingers up" being rude in the UK goes back to the Battle of Agincourt because supposedly the French would cut off the two fingers of any archers they captured (so they couldn't draw a bow) - so the English would put two fingers up as a sign of "f*** you, I still have my fingers" Its highly unlikely this is the truth, but that is ye olde tale anyway...

[@chloedevereaux1801]

yeah, everyone thinks it was agincourt....... it was actually cressy....

[@liadon31]

I've heard that as the explanation for giving the middle finger, for the same reason.

[@godlyvex5543]

Is that what pizza tower is referencing with the P rank animation?

[@Lorondos]

Basically the two finger option of flipping somebody

[@Korack]

In Brazil the "ok" sign was almost equivalent to the middle finger, like "your Ass". But is slowly turning to "ok" or "Top" (nice), as the internet grow.

[@1-._.-Blue_Vr-._.-1]

Linus knows all about hand gestures from back in his Hard-R days

He was in Team Rocket?

[@kosmikme]

Luke not understanding the fingers thing is very funny for some reason, it reminds me of Linus' "hard R" moment not so long ago

[@Heynmffc]

Hell I don’t get it

[@bradhaines3142]

i prefer to live by the phrase 'offense is taken not given' if that's how you want to take things, that's a you problem

[@Docdoozer]

What do the fingers mean?

[@Smokinjoewhite]

@@Docdoozer Eff you.

[@Bob-nc5hz]

@@Docdoozer in the UK and the rest of the commonwealth (except for Canada) it's equivalent to the finger: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_finger#Similar_gestures

[@TacticalBeard]

Cloud gaming can’t happen without good internet…… something the vast majority of people even in the USA can’t get

[@GTOmegaZ3000]

THIS

[@shlak]

the issue with this is, it may become incredibly popular amongst the people with good internet (typically more affluent people) while people who can't afford / dont have access to it are neglected

[@applehazeva2739]

Germany has left the chat

[@yedrellow]

It can't happen without finding a way to increase the speed of light. Not everyone lives in Los Angeles or London.

[@brettlawrence9015]

The Uk internet is not much better.

[@Falcon4224]

Also find it funny that the CMA compared the size of the cloud gaming market to the size of physical album purchases in the music industry in order to show how important of a market it is to protect. Nobody buys albums anymore, it's like 1/30th the size of the overall music industry. Everyone streams. If the CMA had just come out and said "you know, you're a $1 trillion company , we think you're too large and don't want you splashing so much cash", then I'd respect it. I'd question why they didn't put their foot down on Amazon or other conglomerates before now when they've been splashing cash into every industry known to man, but at least it would seem like an actual turning point. With this, it almost feels like the CMA doesn't actually understand the market they've spent a year researching. Microsoft is the only one actually pumping money into cloud gaming. They weren't the first (Sony actually created a cloud gaming service before them, though idk if they were actually the first), and companies like Google tried and failed because nobody wanted their product. But because Microsoft is betting on that 1% of the market growing due to their investment, and is really the only one to be doing so, they have to stay in a distant third in the console space? It doesn't make sense. If Microsoft completely drops their investment into cloud gaming because they feel it just isn't worth it, that would make the deal perfectly acceptable to the CMA but would also likely kill the entire cloud gaming market, or at least set it back a possible decade. That doesn't seem like it would be the outcome the CMA would want.

[@YdenMk-II]

I'm pretty sure the CMA wanted to block this deal because of the too large thing (or maybe just because it's big tech) but just being too large isn't a legal justification for blocking it since they couldn't prove the whole hurting competition thing with Sony so much in the lead. All these agencies already tried to limit the market to Sony and MS because they didn't want to include Nintendo and PCs which is why Sony was able to make the whole if we lose CoD, we'd go out of business type filings.

[@wieneckem]

Two excellent points.

[@jaykoerner]

​@@YdenMk-II too large, but they allowed Disney to buy everything.... Even after this deal Microsoft would have around 11% of the English games market, Disney after their acquisitions have 40% English movie market.... Wth

[@lmcgregoruk]

I mean everyone used to buy "singles" rather than physical albums for 99p/c on iTunes instead of having to buy a physical "single" with like 4 versions of the same song for about a 1/3rd the price of the album. As I remember the music industry was against Apple's storefront until they pulled up Napster?/Limewire? and showed how easy it was to download the songs for free. Also Jobs said iTunes is only available on Mac computers which have a single digit share of the computer market, it's hardly going to kill album sales.

[@lmcgregoruk]

Also Sony bought out Gaikai, they didn't create their own cloud gaming service.

[@theqaz1828]

Regulators turning a blind eye to banks merging (you know, where monopolies are really damaging to society), but blocking mergers between video game companies......

[@FernandoHernandez-jw4yy]

The UK equivalent of the middle finger fit very well, actually. It's a really shitty move to hire people living hundreds of miles away and agreeing for them to work entirely from home, only to suddenly change your mind a while later. The very least they could've done is giving them a notice of at least 6 months in advance so they can either relocate or have time to find a new job. If I were in this situation, I could not even relocate immediately if I wanted to because I simply could not afford it right now.

[@vitorhideyoshinakazonebati7531]

"HR is not needed if it isn't a problem" 😂

[@mitsota101]

"(Blizard employees) relocating their entire families (to be able to show up to work in person)" someone in this equation is smoking crack. Why would you ever even consider relocating your family for a tech job? Especially a video game development job? You're just going to get fired after whatever project you're working on is done, without any kind of severance, leaving you and your family stranded.

[@faremir]

Even if you wouldn't be in project based environment (devops is one that comes to my mind) if you don't have n-years contract... it's freaking stupid and I would lough directly to their face if they would expect something like that.

[@RyTrapp0]

It's the tech world man - there's this idea that getting a new job is just some outrageous thing for someone to have to do, you'll often get bombarded with comments about "how hard it is to get a new job" and such, a lot of people have this whole "a job should be a right!" outlook which just isn't even logically sound. I don't get it, it's just a thing with the tech community I guess(like constantly finding something to bitch & moan about; I was only able to make it 5 minutes into Jay's last video lol). I have other hobbies & interests too, like I'm heavy into motorsports for example, have built engines & race cars, have raced myself(grassroots level, though I've gotten to work on race cars professionally), and the community couldn't be much more different than the tech community, even in spite of a lot of overlap.

[@amazingdrewH]

Well Blizzard has to make them come into the office, it’s a lot less fun for the execs to sexually harass employees over zoom

[@janjordy]

i think this is more about game pass than about cloud gaming itself, microsoft is taking over as many publishers as possible to create a market where game pass would be like netlix was for first few years... if microsoft owns most of companies in gaming sector it stops them from creating their own version of game pass and by that microsoft has monopoly on that sector of gaming, and it is going to get bigger every year.

[@Falcon4224]

If that's the actual reason, then the CMA simply doesn't understand the market they've spent a year researching. Gamepass isn't game streaming. You *can* stream games with Gamepass Ultimate, but the amount of people actually doing so is so incredibly small. They didn't mention Gamepass in their reports. They said cloud gaming. If they *meant* Gamepass, then that's a complete and utter misunderstanding of the market.

[@brilobox2]

Microsoft owning Activision-Blizzard wouldn’t even make them the third largest publisher.

[@wieneckem]

Wouldn't that make more sense if they bought a company that already HAD their own subscription instead of one that may or may not? If they bought Ubisoft or EA, I'd be inclined to believe. Like this, this is pure speculation.

[@the_undead]

But Cod Wouldn't help them do that because it would actually be less profitable for them to make Cod first party only. They would have to at the very least keep Cod on Playstation to keep it profitable enough to justify the purchase.

[@thebaldconvict]

​@Falcon4242 The point of Gamepass is to make it so Xbox is literally everywhere. Laptops, Chromebooks, Phones, Tablets and some TVs can stream Xbox games without an Xbox at all. For now yes it is a mixture of cloud and console but if MS play it right and internet speeds keep going the right way then I can see that percentage going way up and the cloud element of the service becoming more prominent. Not for a good few years but it will..... I think that is what the CMA is on about. Id rather the deal went through though!!!

[@Fizz-Pop]

The reverse V hand sign is a UK thing. You can think of it like a hand gesture for fuck off. It's slightly more complicated than that, but that's the gist.

[@Zentle]

The reverse peace sign is particularly rude in places such as Australia and the UK. You don't pull that unless you want a fight.

[@LegionIscariot]

Activision should "work agressively" to get their own shit together. But i guess all the shit surounding them isn't worth that much effort huh 🤔 🙄

[@BrandEver117]

Linus dropping hard Rs while Luke throws the British peace sign

[@d1gitals0ul]

the MS-AB aquisition is surprising it was blocked, we can debate whether or not it be better for the atmosphere, but from a strict legal and apparent angle there is no reason to stop it, the only real method is to do a very narrow market definition, and even then it's pretty weak of an argument.

[@pieterrossouw8596]

Not unless they re-architect many games for things like local hit detection. Highly doubt that's happening

[@yahm0n]

Cloud gaming will really take off once we figure out FTL communication. 🤣

[@michaell225]

I can’t see any other way besides putting servers everywhere

[@circuit10]

The latency seems mostly fine for some things at the moment

[@lordadamfirst]

For the UK to get more clouding our Internet infrastructure needs to be vastly improved. I have mates that can't even game on on normal online gaming on the best ISP in their area.

[@hooky17]

I’m not too fussed about the deal either way. But the CMA have only proved that they’re clueless in regards to this industry. Our infrastructure in terms of internet wouldn’t even be able to sustain anywhere close to 9% of the gaming market being cloud gaming. I can’t see the appeal going anywhere but I do agree that the reasoning is stupid

[@aeriumfour6096]

As a UK resident, I can tell you regulators don't even understand what cloud gaming is. I'd be surprised if they actually knew cloud just means on a server in some server farm somewhere. You know, like how the entirety of the internet has worked for the last 30 years. I've had to explain to family that "cloud" doesn't mean the signal just floats around like the fluffy white things in the sky.

[@rkvkydqf]

Partially because "the cloud" is really just a fancy way of saying "mainframe", "server", just "someone else's computer"... Just unintelligible PR-speak for a fairly simple concept.

[@alexanderg1935]

As another UK resident, I suggest that you read the CMA report. I can assure you they do understand Cloud gaming and are acting in the consumer's best interests.

[@Z3rostar]

why does the UK have a seat at the table when deciding if one American company should be allowed to buy another American company?

[@chrismay3241]

Why does the USA have a seat at the table when deciding who should rule central American countries? The non-joke answer is simple, they want to do business here they follow our rules. Would you be OK if a British company started selling something in the US that you all had outlawed, you know like Kinder Eggs? For these particular companies it goes even deeper as they have corporate entities registered in the UK. So the court is not dictating what American companies is doing, they are regulating what global companies are doing.

[@shostako1284]

it is and absolute joke. UK is not even a member of the EU.

[@Dparkes26]

If a company wants to do business in a country, they must abide by that country's laws. Simple.

[@chrismay3241]

@@shostako1284 People have laid it out for you multiple times. At this point you are either thick or pretending to be because you have no intelligent response

[@cheeseisgreat24]

I feel like the only way cloud gaming is going to become 9% of the gaming market is additively, not via conversion. Anyone who’s currently gaming on a serviceable computer probably isn’t gonna want to go to an objectively worse experience, but people who aren’t might get into the experience that way.

[@ghjong001]

I'm actually wondering if Microsoft is secretly relieved, given that they were dramatically overpaying for Activision and have proven that they don't have the slightest idea of what to do with all the studios they've already purchased.

[@Subvenio]

Actually what I was thinking, especially with the change in the economy and the change in investor focus on Margins over growth.

[@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece]

Cloud gaming is the logical continuation of the console meme. Customer : So you expect to leave me standing on some beach with nothing but a game and your word it's the one I need and watch you sail away with my money? Company : No. I expect to leave you standing on some beach with absolutely no game at all, watching me sail away on *my* money, and then I'll release the game back to you. Savvy? Customer : But that still leaves us with the problem of me standing on some beach with naught but a game and your word it's the one I need.

[@btctroy4217]

apparently the v became an insult because enemy archers (enemies to whom i can't remember lol) used to have their fingers cut off and they'd throw up the v as a show of defiance in that they hadn't lost theirs and were still up for a fight. tho tbf now it just means 'stick that up ya'

[@MKA_NET]

Even with the anti-trust case, cloud gaming is going to be the future of gaming. We went through something similar at the turn of the century when people started to prefer tv/movie streaming over physical media.

[@KenBladehart]

Its still a struggle to get an internet, or get a decent one for many people Successful cloud gaming is just a weird, fleeting dream

[@cmo5807]

I live on a dead end road in the boondocks and still have 150m net and both xbox cloud and geforce now run fine. Maybe I am dreaming I guess.

[@RandomPlaceHolderName]

Where's getting internet difficult?

[@Khalmoon]

Regardless of the reasoning. We already have too much consolidation, Activision and Microsoft needs to be competitors along side Sony Nintendo etc. I don't want a future where every console is owned by one company.

[@FreemanFreak87]

Activison isn't a competitor because they're a developer/publisher. Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo (and now Valve) are competitors because they produce their own hardware and platforms and so that's the market they're all competing in. All Activision does is make games, therefore they can only compete in the software market. Now when it comes to the software market iself, Microsoft does own plenty of in-house and aquires studios, don't get me wrong. But unlike Sony, Microsoft is thoroughly interested in releasing their titles on other platforms such as PC, Nintendo Switch and even Sony's Playstation as shown with Minecraft. Sony is hesitant to even release their titles on PC and one of the very few third party titles on their platform that allows for crossplay is Fortnite. Sony is also the one spearheading these investigations against the acquisition (because they want Activision themselves.) If anyone here is being anticompetitive, it's Sony.

[@mailowmailow5207]

People really spin that shit to oblivion. first of all activision is no competitor of any console manufacturer they create games for every console and they do not posess their own. And even with the Acquisition of Activision microsoft is a joke compared to the market share sony holds. If anything you should be glad if microsoft can catch up a bit in that regard if you truly care for a balanced market

[@techcommentlooker3951]

​​@@mailowmailow5207 when people talk about balanced markets with healthy competition they mean natural organically grown competition rather than buying the up the market like in this case buying up a multiplatform publisher which microsoft would've gotten the games from anyways either way which isnt a win for anyone. Should they take those billions of dollars, make more studios, new games and remakes with the amount of ips they have then thats healthy and adds more games to the pool and thats actual competition most would like to see. They can definitely do it rather than whatever this is. Seriously the amount of money involved is insane, the scale of billions of dollars is unbelievable. No excuse at this point.

[@JerrJang316]

3:20 i dont know where it means something bad but where i come from, that's the hand signal for "can i have a cigarette?"

[@Daisy_human]

the reason they are the same but in reverse is becuase the peace sighn started out as the v for victory during ww2 and after churchill was court on camera making the v for victory symbol unaware that it was the same as the rude gesture as he was a member of the aristorcarcy the goverment them went on to change the orientaion of the hand then after the war the sighn whent on to symbolise peace after the victory hence the current confusion

[@techfro5494]

Cloud gaming may be a generational thing. I have younger cousins who only use their parent's ipad and cloud gaming (shared via friend or older sibling) gets them outside the app store for a lot of titles. Still, it's a terrible option for most things so I don't think it will gain a big userbase but if it did I'd bet it's the kids.

[@OldSchoolDudeGaming]

an app on a phone is nothing like streaming a multiplayer fps competative game like COD. The latency is horrendious.

[@techfro5494]

I agree

[@cmo5807]

@@OldSchoolDudeGaming I have very little problems with latency but I also do not play fps online games. 7 days to die and Rust seem to run decent on geforce now.... 150m internet fiber so maybe thats why.

[@touma-san91]

@@cmo5807 I have 100/10M internet, cloud gaming sucks on it even though technically it should work fine but there is way too much input lag etc.

[@chrismay3241]

@@cmo5807 How is Rust not an online fps game?

[@Eugene_IO]

Is an increase in cloud gaming really any more disruptive to current levels of web traffic when video streaming and video calls are already so common?

[@pyramear5414]

Yes. Streaming is very one directional, whereas gaming requires continuous live upload. The combination of upload and download can't be optimized as easily. Also, people play video games around 1/5th as much as they watch streaming, so we could be seeing a 20% increase in internet traffic from it in the event of majority adoption, a substantial increase.

[@rod4eva]

I know quite a lot of people in both Europe and Africa that have moved towards buying xbox series s consoles for cloud gaming, so, in my circle, this wouldn't be too far fetched 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@B_Machine]

Companies are asking people to come in knowing full well a lot will quit. It can be a tool to lay people off without actually laying people off.

[@mailowmailow5207]

The thing is "gamers" are really proud and vocal about their favorite free time activity. Even if highspeed internet was available everywhere in the world owning games and gaming rigs is for many people a token of pride and that will not go away anytime soon. Outside of the PC where physical copies are almost impossible now still a big chunk of people prefer to own the games as kind of collection item and prize.

[@Default_Defect]

@@SkeleTonHammer Only exception to that I can think of is taking a cheap laptop/tablet or your phone to a place with good internet and being able to game there, but that will never constitute nearly 10% of the gaming market.

[@azxsys]

lol, not that blizzard games are on any cloud gaming platform… my only chance to play D4 on mac is that acquisition… but hey.. surely they know what they doing right? after all policy makers are smart people 😅

[@scottlarock7924]

Future of cloud gaming. There is an AI Avatar that is trained on your gaming ability. This Avatar then plays locally on the Cloud Server for you. You sit and watch. Latency solved!

[@chrismay3241]

I think you aren't actually too far away, except the AI on the server will be predicting your inputs, generating the games response and feeding the results back to you as you enter the inputs. With the ability for the stream to instantly turnover to one of the other "paths" the AI has mapped out for your actions if you don't enter the most likely input. Its just a LLM for gaming that synchs to you.

[@shostako1284]

@@chrismay3241 Of course, you need and AI predicting your finger moves miles away and discarding MILLIONS of inputs, needing a huge computer capacity and a very high electric consume for EVERY player, before playing a game locally installed. Double downing stupid ideas forever, as neolibs do, until the end. Because... accepting the cloud gaming is stupid... is not acceptable. You can watch a youtube playthrough instead, is practically the same and infinitely less energy demanding.

[@chrismay3241]

@@shostako1284 See those of us with more than one brain cell can see that technology will increase as we go forward making these things possible. I have no idea why you are accusing be of being a neolib but I would be careful, saying stuff like that to peoples face gonna get you a bad time. So stay hiding behind your internet mask you alt right troll

[@Voltaic_Fire]

I don't understand how "my" government has any power to deny this acquisition, neither are British companies & I don't know if either even have offices in any of our territories.

[@MrStonedOne]

luke almost came close to out right advocating for work from home but luckily linus was there to give him the side eye.

[@thefilmdirector1]

Even if they solve the problem of most people having bad internet. And even if for 99 percent of people cloud gaming matched the running local experience. This is still not something you want, digital already gives the corpos too much control, but at least the files download to your own personal device which you can then disconnect from the internet to prevent them messing with or removing said files. Good luck with that when they also control the device running the game ;) Say no to the cloud only future.

[@Cobb]

"HR is not needed if there's no problem" 😂😂

[@btarg1]

Cloud gaming in the UK? That's the most unbelievable part with our internet speeds

[@GuyFromJupiter]

I'm not mecessarily in favor of allowing the buyout, because reducing competition is always bad in the long run. However, the reason those UK regulators gave for blocking the merger is so incredibly stupid that I have a hard time not standing opposed, and I have to wonder if there is some amount of corruption involved.

[@Hooorse]

I don't understand why it relevant how big the cloud gaming market is compared to general gaming market. Doesn't change anything about Microsofts control over that market.

[@Harmonic_shift]

I mean with AI I think it’s potentially going to make cloud gaming able to deal with the issues of latency that it presents. As it will create ai generated fake frames or inputs server side? It’s kinda crazy.

[@rkvkydqf]

I mean, if you have the GPU to generate frames with diffusion from vector embeddings, than you already have the power required to run the game itself, plus the entire scene would slightly shift around each frame. Just super-resolution is nice too, but why not use FSR at that point? I guess AI interpolation may be the closest thing to it, but it would still look trippy and wouldn't keep up with real-time stream. Maybe some lightweight ML-powered video codec could be made, but I think modern codecs are already good enough.

[@vonnikon]

Meta quest 2 already does a lot of that, to deal with the latency between the headset and the PC.

[@Harmonic_shift]

@@vonnikon Oh I don't deny that there aren't certain steps that have already been taken, I just don't think it's really in a ship-able state that compares to your own hardware at this point, however, in the future I'd be interested to see if they'll actually be able to get it more functional for other type of games. It might lend to some more interesting type of games since most of the processing with be in house and dynamic so resources will be shifted dynamically as needed to meet certain requirements, however, you could easily rack up quite a bill very fast if you don't know exactly what you're doing. How weird would it being able to just use a raspberry pi for your mouse and keyboard to play modern day games little to no graphics card needed?

[@5urg3x]

The problem is bandwidth! That’s always been the issue and it won’t be solved any time soon.

[@GM-xk1nw]

Stadia want to have a word with you 😂😂😂😂

[@flamingscar5263]

stadia speaking from the grave

[@fix0the0spade]

Stadia's not picking up the phone, does anyone have his father OnLive's number?

[@xNemesis_]

@@fix0the0spade He left Stadia when he was younger. His mom maybe?

[@nottaibo]

3:10 funny coming from mister hard r

[@erictayet]

I have 1Gbps LAN at home and I notice the input latency if I'm rendering the game in my main PC but streaming the game to the living room PC. I really don't see how Cloud gaming can be better than the best case scenario of

[@HALFPEEPS]

Luke flipping Linus off is an ltt highlight

[@RealTaIk]

I've been doing the backwards peace sign since over 20 years now and only now I find out that this is an insult in some countries? wtf xD

[@Smokinjoewhite]

In many countries.

[@commanderoof4578]

I would be surprised if cloud gaming surpasses 5% by 2030 People hate the input lag of doing wireless VR where the hardware is physically just feet away And cloud gaming is even worse than that when the network setup doesn’t totally suck image quality can be ignored everything is moving to AV1 But the latency cannot be ignored its something like 10ms for a wireless controller then you also have 10ms for network latency, then about 20ms for encode/transfer/decode and the frame latency ontop So like 60ms best case scenario at 60fps render rate So the types of games that would be fine for cloud gaming is limited and the people that play those types of games is even more limited Then you stick on the internet requirements plenty dont have the bandwidth for it and the rest dont have low enough ping time to the cloud servers there game would be run

[@DiverseGreen-Anon]

I see the newer generation growing up playing (kind of) fast paced online games on their phones over laggy/unreliable 4G or wifi. They often just dont know better and thinking about it... if everyone on the platform is using the same tech (4G lag in this case) they all have the same disadvantage and sort of dont care. So I could see a future where that generation just uses cloud gaming as they dont have to invest in the tech and hardware to try out the gaming hobby and simply use a montly payment instead... Gaming on your local device might be the thing for enthusiasts or for the people which use higher end tech for work (rendering) while also gaming on the same device in the distant future, if work like that hasnt yet moved to cloud computing as well. 🤔

[@commanderoof4578]

@@DiverseGreen-Anon game lag and input latency are completely different In a game lag just means the enemy might teleport a few meters or you could suddenly be dead Input latency is when you shoot and the amount of time it takes to go from input to visually on screen Best case scenario is 60ms and that pales in comparison to the expected 17ms which comes from the time between frames Typically your probably looking at 100ms or more of delay and the elite e-sports gamers tale about 100ms from seeing an enemy to clicking too shot it so that 100ms irl delay added on with the 100ms latency delay means you miss because the target is no longer there of it was moving

[@ThePhilosogamer]

@@commanderoof4578 You're missing the forest for the trees here, my dude. He's saying that in a landscape where people don't know any better and everyone is playing with the same disadvantage people are going to think that conditions they play in are fine, because they are normal. It doesn't matter the specific manner in which their experience is actually gimped.

[@commanderoof4578]

@@ThePhilosogamer well strictly speaking sure it doesn’t matter if its lag or input latency so long as everyone has the same issues it will just been seen as normal But that only applies to cloud gaming exclusives because anything that isnt cloud gaming exclusive the input latency will demolish any hope for fast pace gaming especially if PVP or aimbot NPC’s are involved For solo or coop games with a almost fast pace play style cloud gaming is perfectly fine But go to fast pace or PVP then it comes down to is it a cloud gaming exclusive and how far away is the server (because some people will have maybe 60ms or more from network latency alone

[@DizzyDiddy]

​@@commanderoof4578 there already are different tiers of skills based on the tech used. Keyboard and mouse vs controllers. High end PC vs low end PC. Switch vs other systems. Cloud vs local hardware. There are various solutions, such as using a ranking system or grouping users with similar systems together.

[@_SYDGAMING_]

Google stadia activates Called By the grave .😂

[@monster2slayer]

the only kind of cloud gaming i would be interested in is accessing my own hardware

[@shostako1284]

this is called remote desktop, and you can do it with Windows since the 90s

[@monster2slayer]

@@shostako1284 except that it isnt what i'm talking about. remote desktop is not meant for gaming applications. i'm thinking about nvidia shield or something similar

[@2intheampm512]

Look up Nvidia Moonlight

[@Tibi234]

I still prefer the GeForce now sistem of still buying the games separately and just rent a rig because I can play my games offline or on the go and my library doesn't just vanish if I decide to cancel my subscription

[@samljer]

When I look at the reason, I cant help but think whos hands Sony smoothed up with some holiday money.

[@deannickname]

I wonder if the UK is just throwing it's weight around as an attempt to control more of the gaming market.

[@OldSchoolDudeGaming]

Cloud gaming up to this point is just a gimmick, it doesn't function properly AT ALL. Latency is horrendous when playing any type of multiplayer matchmaking and one huge issue is the compression. When I'm playing anything dark, you get a ton of pixelation and super hard to see any details. Xbox is constantly asking me to download the game if I'm enjoying it with no way of turning off the notification. It costs more for consumers in the long run to stream games than to just download them. Its a gimmic and isn't something gamers should want, especially for mulitplayer.

[@zander4890]

You are seeing this with a first world view. In places like Brazil where we don't get charged per bandwich and where videogames and computers are expensive, cloud gaming is a god send.

[@fullsend_ny7948]

EVERY GAME DEV AND SOFTWARE ENGINEER NEEDS TO HEAR THIS LOUD AND CLEAR !!!!! NOT A SINGLE GAMER WANTS CLOUD GAMING OR LIVE SERVICE GAME MODELS WAKE THE FCK UP

[@thatradiogeek]

It's not the devs you need to convince. It's the publishers.

[@touma-san91]

@@thatradiogeek And only way to make them listen is to not buy the cloud garbage.

[@Akab]

3:10 don't worry. Any hand gesture is rude in some place 😂

[@hailbows]

cloud gaming could grow to 9% if hardware becomes too expensive to run the technology of gaming in 2026 people could switch to renting/owning cloud rigs instead of rebuilding a pc with parts super expensive. Maybe it will be a lot cheaper for cloud providers to run massive GPU's and CPU's that dont need limitations in size the same way GPU of today needs it

[@jarencascino7604]

Will cloud gaming be the next vr. “on the horizon” and “the next big thing” for 20 years.

[@onetruekeeper]

It is not the not owning part that irks me about cloud gaming but you cannot mod them to play as you like it to be.

[@wwabbd1987]

Feels more like there are problems in the global banking systems, specifically when it comes to America's banks and it's monetary system.... I feel like this deal cannot go through until the u.s economy stops. Seeing bank closures. It's too big

[@RyTrapp0]

That's absurd

[@TprocNet]

Being in the ISP industry that covers alot of non-rural and rural areas. Microsoft is dreaming with this "everyone should cloud game"

[@Rexhunterj]

Living in Australia I can tell you even in the CBD of a city the internet is not of good quality even if it is fast. None of the companies serving as ISPs care in this country due to the handouts, bailouts and how the cables are owned privately. Most places run on some combination of newer copper ADSL lines, older copper lines converted to DSL that were laid down in the 60s and haven't been maintained since then and a weird gaggle of optic. Most areas don't get optical to the premises, just their node and I know of some areas that share a node over twice the capacity. The rollout of the optical cables was horrific (still on going btw many years later).

[@WolvericCatkin]

Story goes, is that the two-fingers gesture goes back to our time waring with the French, because upon capturing a British archer, they'd cut their third finger off, to hamper them from drawing their way bows... but, upon being feed and returning to the battlefield, these archers would raise the two fingers of this maimed hand, showing them to the French as they rained arrows upon them, as a sign that the act was meaningless to them, because they were skilled enough to draw their bows with just two fingers! So yeah... that gesture goes back to our age-old feud with the French, apparently... 😹

[@keshetkaridi9428]

While I agree that consolidation of the industry is bad all around, I don't see how Microsoft acquiring Activision/Blizzard/King will cause significant harm to the industry. The barrier for entry in the video game industry is so much lower than for example, the film industry, and as other comments have said - There wasn't nearly the same scrutiny towards the Disney acquisitions. It is more likely IMO that Act/Bliz/King shrinks and becomes irrelevant after the acquisition than it helping Microsoft monopolize the videogame industry. Their core talent has been leaving and forming new studios (as has happened with the Diablo II devs and also Jeff Kaplan from Overwatch) and there's no reason to see why this trend won't continue, especially with all the controversy around Bobby Kotick.

[@luminica_]

How are they able to block this given that both companies are US based?

[@251IA]

Blocks both companies from trading in the UK.

[@TaylorXIV]

they cant block the acquisition, they can only block Microsoft from doing business in the UK if they go ahead with it so the question would be is it worth losing the UK, a top ten economy in the world, for ABK is it worth handing over all of your business there to your direct competitors and how much would cutting off the UK effect international businesses that work there, would they swap to your competitors products to make working with the UK easier or is the UK bluffing... all that risk, for Candy Crush

[@KiraSlith]

Given the trustworthiness of politicians in the UK and their reasoning, it's hard to take this as any kind of W. The idea you can shut down trade right now, over technologies that maybe far in the future might produce a viable market but otherwise has shown little technical or economic merit, comes across as complete lunacy to me. This precedent will be abused in the future as a cover for corrupt politicians looking to have their palms greased, I guarantee it.

[@revoblam7975]

As much as the current model sucks and I wish that ownership was more on-focus... I can't upgrade pc. My country ain't doin hot. So streaming+subscriptions could be the only way to enjoy games in the next 5 years unless I get out of here...

[@SpottedHares]

What classified as flour gaming market share? Dose the money that Sony and Valve both generate and spend on my auto cloud saves count? I’m getting the idea that this market share and market estimate is being calculated based off of raw number by people that have less knowledge on video game then your average publisher executive.

[@TheWhoamaters]

If you hire people with it being full time work from home, you don't then get to demand they relocate, and you don't get to fire them when they don't

[@bwzd]

that's how we do peace sign in US, other way is bit cheesy

[@mathuswins]

Cloud gaming would be great, but too much needs to change. Phone tarifs etc, otherwise nobody will use it.

[@DeadPhoenix86DP]

Also no preservation and you're paying for games that can be pulled off the store at anytime with no way to replay them.

[@danko5866]

Yeah, it's not cheap, but I get free unlimited 4G mobile data from my carrier (Vi india) from 12 am to 6 am. They started this "Bing all night" program last year to gain customers, glad that they still haven't stopped it 😁. It is available for plans starting from 300 INR/month which give 1.5GB/day for 28 days ($3.75, or ppp equivalent to $13.35 for an American). I use 2GB/day one. Well my classes start late, so i use cloud gaming (from Jio) at night, don't have to worry about data

[@zander4890]

@@DeadPhoenix86DP There are no exclusive cloud games

[@DeadPhoenix86DP]

@@zander4890 Who said anything about exclusives???

[@zander4890]

@@DeadPhoenix86DP If literally all games on the cloud can be played somewhere else the preservation argument is pointless. Cloud isn't taking over the gaming world, it's an add on.

[@cedrove7513]

Cloud gaming is a neat gimmick. Better development and not prioritizing profit is a better idea. Games should perform much better than they do so most people can play them regardless of hardware. Nintendo has made many amazing games for the Switch that run rather good despite its mediocre hardware, you can even emulate it on handheld devices now. Now the only thing that's actually missing is to stop charging so damn much money. "oh but games are so expensive to make" yeah? more people play games than ever. Elden Ring, that 200 million dollar project made like 7 billion. The profit margins on a $60 game is still insane, if not more now than ever frankly. It's just CEOs and corpos manipulated everyone into believing that games are just so expensive and impossible to make that they NEED all the things that have made them worse. The people making the games and putting in the time, aren't getting paid proportionally to the growth. It's all being pocketed by rich people and you get lied to about the difficulties of game development. Yes it's hard, but not for the reasons they ever list. It's sad to see people just forget that the amount of consumers is incredibly important to pricing and profit margins. Games grew in popularity way faster than their costs to make.

[@zip3704]

Im not one to defend hig corporations but I think you need to do more research before posting something like this again. What are you talking about. The nintendo switch runs worse than phones. Elden ring didnt make even close to $7 billion... and please look at the net profits for a lot of these companies you would be suprised how much money they really make. Especially for the nonbig studios, there are many parties that need to be paid before profits.

[@cedrove7513]

@@zip3704 ya ya whatever. ceos taking out multimillion dollar bonuses and you just say this stupid shit.

[@justmrmendez]

The only thing I like about cloud gaming is to play some stuff from game pass on my phone.

[@brodogg1313]

If only stadia had stuck around...

[@kazu52]

Rookie here what does wan in wan show mean or refer too?

[@DeadPhoenix86DP]

Cloud gaming, good joke.

[@chrismorrison5301]

In the UK I think the middle finger is F you and backwards peace is F off

[@Gunnumn]

Personal cloud gaming pc's are the rage these days.

[@davehassall5402]

It's an insult for the same reason the middle finger is

[@ok4405]

The makers of genshin are heavily investing in cloud gaming and they have a very large player base so 9% is possible by 2026

[@RavenThePlayer]

Linus and team are kinda naive about how regulators work. They got All Capone for tax evasion. This was probably just a way to block the deal. That being said game streaming is really good rn. People don't know how good it is. I stream cyberpunk at 1080 rtx on at the gym (exercise bike) every day.

[@Heathensauce]

It is a very good thing, Microsoft owns the OS, a chunk of PC gaming market, and a chunk of the console gaming market. They already have way too much control and ownership. It is far too much. Consolidation of companies is never a good thing, all it does is create a massive loss in monetary value of the corporation which then offsets that to the workforce and consumers. Its truly insane people are too stupid to understand that -69 billion is going to have to be recuperated by somebody and Microsoft is definitely not going to be just "eating" that cost for the 'good' of humanity. These corporations aren't our friends, they are our overlords.

[@Falcon4224]

Thing is, the CMA wasn't able to actually demonstrate that kind of control you're mentioning in any of the industries this acquisition could affect other than cloud gaming. They tried to loop the OS into it, but quickly found that the competition (Linux and Mac) simply aren't good platforms for games, and that existing ABK games were already avoiding them because of that. And that's not because of MS anti-competitive behavior, but simply because of how those platforms are designed. So that was ruled out. The PC gaming market was quickly ruled out because Steam is just such a dominant force. ABK already avoids Steam in favor of their own storefront, and MS has actually been putting all of their games on Steam, so that would actually *improve* competition for PC storefronts, so that was ruled out. The console market was completely ruled out because MS is a distant third. Even when the CMA tried to segregate Nintendo out by defining it as the "high-powered console market", they still couldn't demonstrate control because of just how much control Sony has. They even tried to run polls targeted specifically at Playstation COD players, and they found that something like 60-70% of them still would have bought a Playstation if COD was exclusive to another console. So that was ruled out. So, they relied on cloud gaming, 1% of the overall gaming market, with MS being the only one actually investing money into it. If MS completely drops their cloud gaming ambitions, then it seems the CMA would be completely fine with the acquisition based on this report. And it would also completely kill the cloud gaming market, or at least delay by a long time. I don't think that's the kind of result the CMA wants. If they wanted to block it because "MS too big", then they should have said so. However, they probably knew that such a reason wouldn't stand up to scrutiny on appeal.

[@Heathensauce]

@@Falcon4224 Why is it people try to justify giving more power to corporations while also naming off like 2 other competitors and saying, "Well its only the third biggest competitor." Again showing their insanity. Do you know what the concept of a free market is? It is allowing companies to have free market over consumer products without allowing any form of control, pricefixing, or domination to any of those companies. The whole point of a free market is for there to be options and as many options as possible. Not a "distant third" option overtaking the other 2 because it was a "distant third". Thats not a free market, thats an oligarchy. I dont care about the CMA, to me that and any other government is a complete joke. You misunderstood the entire basis of my comment and its that "Corporations have too much power and control." and yes that includes Steam, Nintendo, and Sony. Hell, Samsung is more wealthy than an ENTIRE FIRSTWORLD COUNTRY. We need to start limiting the freedoms of these corporations and stop treating them like people and start treating them like conglomerates vying for control and power. But instead you have idiots like the CMA focusing on the wrong thing for the right reasons and you have the FTC focusing on the right thing for the wrong reasons. The FTC would love nothing more for our corporate overlords to have as much power as possible while the CMA is trying to wiggle around limited laws that focus on completely wrong areas of anti-competitive behavior. We are either dealing with a system built to control us or we are dealing with a system too broken to fix us. And you know who will pay the price after all this? Our kids. But nobody gives a shit, they are too busy shopping at malls and shoveling shit in their mouth and their kids are going to grow up with shittier malls and even more disgusting shit. Its the slow degradation of society and we only have our greed and ignorance to blame.

[@nerdstrangler4804]

Consolidation is often a good thing due to economies of scale and they don't need to recoup 69 billion dollars because they didn't lose 69 billion dollars. They simply exchanged 69 billion dollars worth of cash, for 69 billion dollars worth of assets. It is truly insane people are too stupid to understand this.

[@Falcon4224]

@@Heathensauce Making the rules consistent is incredibly important. Having a government agency completely change gears for one company while allowing pretty much every other corporation to do as they please with no actual change in regulations or rules is incredibly problematic, I'm sure you can agree with that. If the CMA wanted to block this deal on the grounds of Microsoft simply being too big of a company, then they should have said so. But they didn't, because they knew that wouldn't hold up to a legal challenge. So, instead of realizing that they can't do what they want to do, and call on the government to actually change the laws to allow them to limit the size of these corporations, they came up with a nonsensical justification that makes it look like they have no idea how the industry works, while they were completely fine with Amazon, Disney, etc. gobbling up everything under the sun. That's my problem. It looks like selective enforcement of a company they don't like, and that's never a good thing in what's supposed to be an objective regulatory board. I'm all for limiting the size of corporations, they've become too big. But if you're going to do that, then you have to do it right, otherwise all you're doing is fucking over some companies while allowing others to do whatever they want, not actually fixing the problem.

[@GameGenius-lg4em]

These two look like brothers 😂

[@nomadstreams]

of course microsoft would be ahead in cloud gaming. Sony and nintendo are just sitting on their thumbs when it comes to it. Also I feel call of duty on xcloud would make cloud gaming more mainstream making it more profitable in my eyes.

[@knightwolf3511]

activisionblizzard games include Call of Duty series Crash Bandicoot series Guitar Hero series Skylanders series Spyro the Dragon series Tony Hawk's series Diablo series Hearthstone Heroes of the Storm Overwatch series StarCraft series Warcraft series Candy Crush Saga

[@touma-san91]

Out of those I only care about Guitar Hero which hasn't had new game in long time now and Tony Hawk which had remake of two old games but nothing new in long time.. if the merger had gone through, there would have atleast been some sort of hope for revival of those series as Activision clearly doesn't want to do anything

[@colonelangus7535]

It's so dark Linus is going to be throwing the hard R at the wrong people

[@JasonB808]

“Cloud Gaming is cheaper than console” Google Stadia existed … 😒

[@hopperelec]

I’m from the UK and I’ve never known a backwards ok to be rude lol. But I see quite a few people explaining it so maybe it’s just a me thing

[@shocks413]

Sony obviously paid them off because they are not doing as well in console sales and they where desperate.

[@danielekirylo]

I play on GFN as my main platform since a year now and it is great!

[@crazychainsaw007]

I don’t understand the hate for cloud gaming. It’s literally the only way I could see the game of my dreams since it doesn’t need to be made for people with garbage computers. It would curtail hackers and dupers and you could update the game in massive ways because again you’re not relying on your users upgrading their hardware.

[@boriz_]

Clouds are for rain.

[@stenspeed1]

Cloud still not working in Eu

[@mattwalewangko]

LINUS "WORKING AGGRESSIVELY" SEBASTIAN 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@LawdBreaktwist]

Don't know where those additional 8% are living, certainly not in germany lol