Clutch Springs Install | Taotao Pony50

An installation of those little clutch springs that go in the back of your clutch with the before and after results.
Link for 1500 pound contra & springs
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Mod list:
80 cc big bore kit
20mm Glixal carburetor
96 main fuel jet
Come air intake filter
Open exhaust
A9 camshaft
Sealed valve cover
K&N spark plug
Gates powerlink kevlar belt
Polini variator
5g rollers
1500 pound contra spring
1500 pound clutch springs
49/17 gears

[@fruitfullylimitless2636]

My stock Vittacci Solana 50cc 139qmb now hits 54MPH New Top speed with a Bando Belt made in Japan. My old top speed was 49mph. I'm watching your video because I would like to upgrade my cvt to prepare for the 80cc big bore kit.

[@davidhofinger4927]

You should watch my “guide to upgrading a moped” video your going to want to tune your CVT around your power AFTER a BBK for the best results to get exactly what you want out of your bike without having to re tune it. Tune your bike around the power that it has, that’s the best recommendation 👌

[@Pau11984]

nice I have a bd50qt-2a does 50mph stock will a bando belt really help I need more acceleration I don't care about top speed

[@Deoge4]

I've also mixed my rollers right now I've got 6.5 gramand 8.5 gram big difference Monday I'm getting 10gram so I'll do 8.5 and 10 gram she is gonna fly and I'm waiting on my2000lb torque spring and clutch springs there in the mail in the way I can't wait and I bought block tires for it to man it's gonna be sweet

[@VirberelloScooterTips]

Great video! Keep up the great work and thanks for sharing your knowledge.

[@davidhofinger4927]

I’m glad that it could help brother that is what I intended this video among many others of mine for

[@49684]

Thanks for the simple explanations of your work in progress. Keep up that attitude and you’ll go far in life. 😊💪👊

[@CH-ru6rv]

Thanks for the videos dude. Definitely enjoy watching and learning as I fumble through my first two wheeler 😭 only a few weeks in and spent a small fortune just on bike, helmet, locks, cover, gps, and a few minor upgrades so far- variator, belt, sliders, carb, jet kit and air filter. Still stock 50 and slow but damn it's fun around the city blocks stoplight to stoplight.

[@davidhofinger4927]

Thank you so much man I appreciate that, I’m Filming a heavier roller eight upgrade and the results today as well. I like to watch the yellow lights and gas it when it turns green, I get it lol keep it up it’s an absolute blast, especially when you start seeing results in power keep it going!

[@VisitorE.T.]

Strong bike , good results , great mechanick

[@robertclucas7119]

My son's 50cc (52mm bbk and a laundry list of other parts) scooter hits 59mph with the stock clutch springs and stock contra spring. I just bought some red springs to replace everything. Looking forward to see what it can do now!

[@davidhofinger4927]

With a higher Contra Spring you’re going to lose TopSpeed not much but a little bit but the clutch springs will not affect anything but takeoff, with a true 100cc 52mm head that sounds about right hell yeah, You’re going to love the takeoff speed with those high rpm clutch springs But expect more belt wear and tear definitely will but nothing too dramatic

[@robertclucas7119]

@@davidhofinger4927 I'm not worried about losing any top end. We have an 89mm variator, 2.88 final drive that replaced the stock 3.40, dr pulley sliders that open the variator more to push the belt higher up the variator, and a long case 50cc with the larger 12" rims and tires. Below is the build that hit 59mph with Waze for verification: 89mm variator 5 gram dr pulley sliders stock crap chinese belt (slips a lot) glixal 52mm bbk, 52mm head, a9 camshaft 64mm rocker arms 24mm 150cc carb and intake boot with 30 pilot and 118 main jets cone air filter NGK CR7HIX Iridium spark plug orange coli blue cdi 17/49 (2.88) final drive straight through muffler replaced all lights with led lights to reduce strain on electrical system to aid in a better spark and safety to see and be seen We have since replaced the crap chinese belt with a glixal kevlar belt. The variator weights are 3x7 and 3x11. The crap belt slipped so much that the heavier weights were needed to keep the rpm's down. We didn't realize the belt was slipping so bad until we put the better belt on. Currently planning to use only 3x11 gram sliders to see how it rides before getting more weights. As long as we hit 65 mph and the rpm's are between 7500 and 8000, we are happy. Once we added the better belt and still had the 3x7 and 3x11 sliders, the rpm's dropped too far and my son could only hit 50mph.

[@davideasler3004]

I doubt 2000 RPM springs would even turn over.... I have a 2019 kymco like 50i and put red springs on it and couldn't start the damn thing lol.

[@robertclucas7119]

@@davideasler3004 The springs have nothing to do with getting the scooter running. There must be something else wrong with it.

[@Lovelife86nj]

Glad the build is back I have to do mines.. I wanna do big bore kit but not sure which to order. I got icebear rocket 50cc .. I want 100 wit a9 cam..

[@verriahowe4334]

Go with a 105cc kit they are the best and fastest you're get for a 50cc

[@steveblottenberger1097]

Keep up the good work you remind me of me I'm really into it succeeding to go faster and just a little bit more power it's a lot of fun because it's different from a motorcycle

[@davidhofinger4927]

Thanks man I appreciate that, yeah the quest for the the next MPH with scooters is a blast and always feels like an achievement with each MPH gained, pushes you to get the next one and the next one and the next one lol

[@Deoge4]

I bought mine for 59 bucks cordless it works great with what I need it for on my scooter

[@bermyvlogger]

thankx bud. i was fucking with a tdr clutch for my yamaha lexi [nvx engine] and needed another idea to get the new,red, +1500rpm springs in. tried the thing u did and yup,, this is what the net if about . then i was like dang i should start recording my bike maintenance and mods

[@bermyvlogger]

fyi i. also changed my final gears from 13/40 to 12/33,, from 10.7 down to 9.6 final ratio. final gears are the only real way to gain speed. u can gear up or even find a fatter profile back tire to get more speed. that way u can let the transmission rev how it likes ,,even lower the weight of rollers and still have higher top speed ability

[@davidhofinger4927]

@@bermyvlogger Oh yeah, I know all about gears I always go for an up-gear On this bike, I run a 49/17 ratio On my two stroke I run a 15/50 I’m glad I could help. This is why I create videos like this, so to know that I actually help you out that gives me purpose and satisfaction I will be back later on this year. I miss my Scooter is very much. There is a few things left to do with my two-stroke and there are some other goals and still have left for my 4t Pony50 here

[@NikolaHD]

Im not going to be suprised if i come here one day and i see taotao pony50 1000cc turbo charged going on jet fuel 🤣

[@jesseshelby4383]

Gets off nuts just like that 🤌😂

[@Lovelife86nj]

Since you have everything done you can do your transmission gears

[@davidhofinger4927]

Already did my gears and transmission you should read the modification list in the description the spike is almost fully built my man.

[@Lovelife86nj]

@@davidhofinger4927 I didn’t see the video where you changed the gear ratio.

[@davidhofinger4927]

@@Lovelife86nj It’s all good there is quite a list of videos though I hope that you’re enjoying them I’m going to keep putting out more with every modification I make hopefully it will answer questions that you might have

[@zalmanfans1334]

You should greese that shaft where the clutch goes onto if you didn't put any on there, I made that mistake and I had to get a whole new clutch becuase the bearings were shot after

[@davidhofinger4927]

I’m ordering a racing clutch next week anyways I’ll do it then I’ll swap the springs and everything inside of that immediately yeah I just heard about that it didn’t come off as Smoothly as before I had to give it a little tug

[@zalmanfans1334]

@@davidhofinger4927 have you ever thought of doing brake upgrades like a larger front rotor and new rear brake shoes? And have you ever thought about getting a 2 stroke moped ?

[@davidhofinger4927]

@@zalmanfans1334 You should really watch my past videos lol Yes I have new brake pads in the back along with a shoe no I have not considered upgrading the front brake it brakes wonderfully as is, Eventually a two-stroke would be nice if I can make this thing pull this fast I can get a two-stroke to do something special

[@zalmanfans1334]

@@davidhofinger4927 Hell yea, I have seen alot of your older videos however I have not seen the one when you got new rear brake shoes . I have a honda 1988 honda elite but the motor is in rough shape and its the non desired af05 I believe and the moped itself is in rough shape. But I have a gy6 50cc scooter that im very impressed with regarding the reliability and performance that come along with these chinese engines when modded properly !

[@imdovis787]

What do we grease it with

[@nooneimportant5266]

i appreciate you, saved me some time

[@davidhofinger4927]

No problem dude on my four and two stroke Most definitely was it a significant positive difference

[@jonathanakeley]

Good job bro 💪🏻💪🏻👍🏻

[@davesatire]

I like that term two stepping it

[@davidhofinger4927]

Best example of what it is like that I could think of lol

[@TheRealestIdealist]

2:19 HEY, JUST LIKE ME! 😆

[@seanmurphy2007]

What would you suggest for a stock 50cc tao tao pony? I don't wanna do a big bore kit, just some clutch work and exhaust really

[@davidhofinger4927]

@@seanmurphy2007 lighter/heavier rollers Performance variation, gates powerlink belt, contra/clutch springs, straight air intake, bigger fuel jets That’d make a noticeable difference

[@JeffBassir-lo6zj]

So heavier clutch springs are to increase top speed and lighter springs are to increase torque? Is that right or do I have it backwards?

[@davidhofinger4927]

@@JeffBassir-lo6zj torque I just so happened to pick up some top speed but for sure acceleration, no doubt

[@dendys04]

3:17 removing variator or clutch nut for the first time hurts i have an air gun still couldn't get it off i had to break it with a chisel and buy new nuts

[@SoundRyteMobileDJs]

Glad you were able to get back on the road. Have you thought of changing from a CVK to a PWK style Carb?

[@davidhofinger4927]

Yes, yes I have. I found the nibbi throttle cable and everything that I need That’s going to be one of the last upgrades I do this season but it’s in the plan

[@Lovelife86nj]

That carb give u what you need

[@davidhofinger4927]

@@Lovelife86nj Yes it does I put a bigger fuel jet inside of it as well but it runs just fine

[@liamjoiner2793]

Can I ask how hard it was to squeeze the back pulley plates apart to push the belt down? I put in a 1k and that was pretty stiff over the stock one! I'm curious how difficult the 1500 was!

[@davidhofinger4927]

If it was 500 pounds more you wouldn’t be able to do it the yellow 1500 is about as stiff as it gets with still using your fingers to pull it back. I can still pull it back with my fingers, but just barely enough you can do it.

[@williamhaskellhaskell3162]

Is your variator starting to shift before your clutch engages?? Is this bad for acceleration ? Nice speeds. ! 49 mph on the flats for a 49cc w / lite mods?

[@davidhofinger4927]

No not at all, I have a Polini Variator with 5 g rollers in my transmission That style of variator allows them to ramp up more quickly than the stock one which in turn leads to faster acceleration No not with light mods, There is a lot of work that has been done to this Scooter, Everything is built in the motor besides the crank it’s a built top end, stock Bottom end. Bigger carburetor with bigger fuel jets and a straight intake filter Open aftermarket exhaust Transmission has a variator, Rollers, Kevlar belt, Contra spring, NCY clutch bell, Then these clutch springs. 49/17 Tall gears, Michelin S1 tires, Carburetor and transmission has been tuned heavily. What has been done lol To answer your original question the variator is designed to spool up quickly for better acceleration it is built for this

[@Donbscooters757]

Im getting a contra spring coming should I put both the spring and the little ones or just the contra spring itself ?

[@davidhofinger4927]

@@Donbscooters757 one at a time. Install one, run and test it to see if you even like it and THEN the other and you will notice each difference individually

[@Donbscooters757]

That was my plan what was your thoughts when you did it I'm curious

[@davidhofinger4927]

@ they each do a significant difference. It is very very noticeable in between the two upgrades, but they are a must when it comes to working on your transmission. They each do different things, but when you find the perfect combination, you’re in business

[@jordan1136]

That is a huge difference my dude.. You sure it wasn't the belt? Or are you sure it was simply the 1500lb clutch springs?? But this is with a big bore right? not a stock or true 50cc??

[@1Fotobook]

What size wrench did you use to remove the large nut?

[@davidhofinger4927]

Dude I don’t even know to be honest I just brought that clutch to the auto parts store and sized up the socket to fit it’s really big

[@Deoge4]

I feel ya I've bought a zummer from my boss it was a piece of shit now since I'm building on it it's going 45 to 50 and I still haven't put my big boar kit on it

[@davidhofinger4927]

I just put the same clutch springs in my Built Horizontal Minarelli clone two stroke Vento And it made a DIFFERENCE. Gets right on through the pipe and takes off from a dead stop way faster for strokes and two strokes are two different things. They both definitely make a difference but especially on a two-stroke. Good luck with your brother. kzbin.info/www/bejne/p3atlKx5hMuKf7csi=I7u50bnnWMxNJPpf

[@Donbscooters757]

Man I need some money to get one of these contra springs dang it for my scoot mine already does about 47 48 give or take what will it do when I put the contra spring on .. I'm thinking of getting the 1500 rpm one

[@Donbscooters757]

And I want a gear kit for the rear gears just don't know to go up or down in the gears

[@davidhofinger4927]

@@Donbscooters757 Amazon will be your best friend you could find one for $10 online quite literally

[@LonnieMinton-u1k]

I think u have to Chang all of that or if smiler Doint work try a bigger one

[@jeffmee763]

Sweet video I'm doing the same engine mods as you put a bit more I do a lot of stop start in towns so was thinking of blue springs 1000rpm on the back the 7g on the front for of the line not so match for speed what do you think thanks for some help. Jeff in UK

[@davidhofinger4927]

Those clutch springs don’t affect top speed but takeoff speed. The stiffer the springs, The higher RPM launch you get from a dead stop. I just so happened to pull the highest speed I have yet when I did this. If you were doing a lot of stopping and going I would not recommend going past 1000 pound springs so you can barely twist the throttle and leave instead of revving it up and then leaving like I do now, For me it’s a blast and I get off the line really quick but for constant stop and go traffic I would not think it would be too fun that’s just my input my man, thank you though, there’s more to come 👍

[@jeffmee763]

@@davidhofinger4927 Thanks I will be keeping a eye on you by the way did you Gas flow your head I found it pulls stronger and revs higher going to be playing with stronger valve springs let you know the end result take care out there.

[@aaroncham94]

what size sockets for clutch and variator nut? also for the size for the huge socket.

[@davidhofinger4927]

Man I am so sorry I cannot quote the clutch nut number All I know is it’s big What I did is I took the clutch off and brought it with me in my hand to AutoZone and I fit in one on there until one fit BUT The variator nut is a 12 mm socket

[@KnowlesBradford]

K man let’s do this bra

[@jbrown6030]

Cant you just buy this complete with good springs? I see the whole rear clutch in full sold for $30 (Which i need) id gate to buy fir $30 then take apart and upgrade opposed to just buying it ready to go for a few extra bucks

[@davidhofinger4927]

Yeah but those performance clutches already assembled come with red 2000lb & a red 2000lb contra spring. WAY too high for mostly any application. This is the perfect middle ground and it rips as well as not over revving the motor (like red springs will do) and cause premature failure. This isnt a race bike, it’s still a daily driver. A sport scooter if you will

[@Genius_Cletus]

thats sick im gonna do this to mine

[@kevinplourde9701]

I got the same contra spring setup but with 6 gram rollers have you tried heavier rollers I have to rev mine up too and yeah it rips curious what heavier rollers would do like 8 gram

[@davidhofinger4927]

Actually the video right before this is when I did install the smallest increment of heavier rollers I went from 5.0 to 5.5’s End it negatively affected my bike both in Acceleration and top speed. I’ve done heavier rollers than that before and it was absolutely horrible. This is due to my gear ratio so my CVT Simply does not like heavier rollers. Your bike could be different though it doesn’t hurt to try I would go up in smallest increments at a time and run numbers to compare

[@LonnieMinton-u1k]

U are in the right spot

[@LonnieMinton-u1k]

I think u have to make them smiler them round things

[@ivan-pašti]

Do i need to adjust something in the variator to install a better clutch and clutch springs

[@davidhofinger4927]

It’s just a good idea for better off the line and accelerating performance. Yes, and with these Chinese bikes if you have one, cheap too Outside of the tools to do it yourself But no you do not “need” to install a short ramp variator or lighter/heavier rollers/sliders Again, It’s a good idea to do each individual upgrade to your transmission one at a time to achieve the best possible performance you can keep achieving greater and greater performance with each upgrade. Sometimes you will get less performance though, and that’s why you just go back to what you had originally do each thing individually one at a time to achieve perfect harmony.

[@ivan-pašti]

@@davidhofinger4927 i have a keeway matrix 50 and its my first time tuning anything in the transmission and another question is do i need to adjust variator spring with clutch springs?

[@davidhofinger4927]

@@ivan-pašti there is no variator springs brother Just, variator & roller/slider weights. You can do each individual transmission upgrade individually separately at whatever one you choose to do first. It does not matter. Here’s a list of things you can do in your transmission 1. Variator 2. Rollers/sliders 3. Belt 4. Clutch assembly 5. Clutch springs 6. Contra spring 7. Clutch bell Watch this video I made explaining the guide and how to upgrade your scoot kzbin.info/www/bejne/iqaccnZpqbuLfcUsi=ptpN_ewuDMgPVSiV

[@ivan-pašti]

@@davidhofinger4927 i meant contra spring sorry and thank you very much this helped a lot

[@Pau11984]

I have a bd50qt-2a stock 12inch wheels will a 1500 springs help my acceleration I'm 140lbs by the way it revs high on take on feels like no torque but alot of horsepower

[@davidhofinger4927]

The clutch springs do nothing but allow your bike to leave from a dead stop at a higher RPM, It will not change your acceleration once you’re rolling only from a dead stop

[@Pau11984]

@davidhofinger4927 ok thanx for replying u appreciate it I been subscribed

[@davidhofinger4927]

@@Pau11984 Thank you man I appreciate it a whole lot I never did this for views just to help out the community with Things that I did not know when I first started. The only reason content has slowed Down a bit it’s because of the winter season but I will be making a video on how to winterize your scooter this weekend. But come next season towards spring I will be right back to my normal schedule upgrading and modifying and making videos along the way

[@Pau11984]

@davidhofinger4927 ok that's good I'll definitely keep watching bro ....

[@cemtkeenan2750]

Hey Dave, what was the result of your 49/17 final drive gear install? I have been looking at a couple different ones, the 49/17 and a 52/15 and really have no idea which has what advantages. 47mm bbk,20mm(ported filter side)cvk carb/96jet,carbon fiber intake tube with cone filter, ported head, larger diameter fuel lines, 150cc vac fuel pump, glixal variator with 3x 4.5g & 3x 5g rollers, orange cdi and coil, ngk iridium plug, deleted egr, 69mm valves, open exhaust, advance timing at pickup,gutted muffler, several "speed holes"😅 in plastics to cool head, Harley windshield. Max speed is 55 downhill and 44 flat ground cruising speed, 25-30 uphill. Pretty happy performance-wise, but any gains especially off the line acceleration are welcomed. Looking for genuine a9 performance cam as well.

[@davidhofinger4927]

The result after the installation of the gears it was a consistent 47 mph they picked me up 3 to 4 mph in the top end after that I built my transmission to get me up to the speed faster I can achieve that on flat ground easily now

[@cemtkeenan2750]

@@davidhofinger4927 awesome! Thanks for the reply

[@Steve-qp8qc]

Your clutch pads on the back order on Amazon the racing clutch and you'll be wider thicker and longer clutch pads and it comes with the clutch Bell get the fancy clutch belt that cools better and bites the pads better so check in on that it's not that much get rid of that stock clutch Bell you have

[@davidhofinger4927]

I already got rid of that stock clutch Bell for an NCY Bell, I’m happy with my clutch I’m happy with that bike it’s pretty much dialed in for life I’m going to put more money into my two-stroke to get it up to par

[@jeremiahfrodermann9820]

My stock icebear 50cc only does 30 what do you recommend for more speed cheap

[@davidhofinger4927]

Check out this video I made last year it is exactly what you’re looking for for your questions to get your scooter fit and quick kzbin.info/www/bejne/iqaccnZpqbuLfcU

[@jmwjmw5462]

💋AMAZING💋

[@davidhofinger4927]

Why thank you random fan 😂💋

[@savraindian1442]

Hello brother , scooter initial pick up is very poor , how we increase pick up ?

[@davidhofinger4927]

I have made a video for exactly this question that explains how to do so in smooth detail, here you go brother kzbin.info/www/bejne/iqaccnZpqbuLfcU

[@savraindian1442]

@@davidhofinger4927 thank you brother and lot of love from India ....

[@oliverkristoffersen7198]

What app do you use to see the speed?

[@davidhofinger4927]

It’s Simply called “Speedometer” It is in the App Store it has a black logo with a speedometer on it I still use it to this day

[@oliverkristoffersen7198]

@@davidhofinger4927 thansk

[@Thevillageidiot8]

How big was the socket you had to use to disassemble the clutch?

[@jeffmee763]

1''7/16

[@unknownmanufacturer2669]

Man why everyone that working on these damn things always so far away I just want to hit at least 30 on average 😂😂😂

[@CalinEnduro]

How many rpm's does your scooter go?

[@davidhofinger4927]

Never been able to gauge it but by sound I’d say 8-8.5 lower 8’s though

[@williamhaskellhaskell3162]

1500 rpm ?

[@davidhofinger4927]

1500 RPM engagement point yellow clutch springs 👍

[@FranklinHicks-qs4gs]

What is the large nut size ??

[@davidhofinger4927]

I honestly can’t tell you off the top of my head it varies from Scooter to Scooter too all I did was I took that nut to my local AutoZone and found the socket piece I needed that fit up to it

[@FranklinHicks-qs4gs]

@@davidhofinger4927 Roger!! That was my next step. Just walking the clutch in to a parts store. Thanks !!

[@lil_weltthomas7118]

Lmao The impact is definitely not needed . I just want somebody to take it off with keys inside of it.

[@magatilithertz8414]

You are gonna wring nuts and bolts off in an instant using that powerful impact on that little cheap Chinese scooter

[@davidhofinger4927]

No I’m not it’s just fine I’ve used it over a dozen times on the same scooter it’s the tool you need to get those nuts off to begin with anyways thanks for the knowledge though 👌

[@magatilithertz8414]

@@davidhofinger4927 your channel is not bad though honestly. You present pretty well and I think if you stay at it and don’t get discouraged you’ll end up doing well

[@magatilithertz8414]

@@davidhofinger4927 go kart videos get a lot of views, the small engines are similar and it might be a good secondary topic to try. Best wishes bud

[@willarddevoe5893]

Strong springs are a bad idea who commutes. Clumsy and it will beat everything up.

[@chrisparker1267]

Im not trying to hate, but you literally made a video about how to install difficult clutch springs... yet didn't even show the technique to get them seated..

[@davidhofinger4927]

Is what it is brother this is more of the results and what to expect, it’s labeled “install” with before and after performance numbers not “How to install” that’s why my man