The MMOFPS Genre needs a reboot. Who will make the next Planetside?

[@reegspreems]

A warhammer 40k mmofps is basically my wildest wet dream, if it were basically the equivalent of planetside 3 with a 40k aesthetic.

[@daanstrik4293]

Tau, Guard, and orks could be some decent factions (although I doubt 3 factions would be smart). That being said: I don't think warhammer is a good game for massive multiplayer. Great for singleplayer though.

[@roofie1695]

Sounds like a balancing nightmare. Chaos and Empire might work, beyond that I doubt it

[@zix01vtuber]

there used to be a warhammer 40k planetside like mmofps free to play but got shut down.

[@Igor369]

@@roofie1695 Every faction has a unit similar in power to space marine. Also who said gamepaly can not be assymetrical? Evolve showed it is possible.

[@roofie1695]

@@Igor369 Similar in power yes, but not similar in height/size, playstyle and vehicles add another layer. It really is difficult to even balance small differences as we have seen in PS2. How many people bitch and moan about MBT, guns etc. This would get much worse. Besides, I doubt it would do the Lore justice aswell. Another point to bitch an moan about.

[@neongamer5289]

Cyrious build a team of capable individuals who aren’t money hungry and able to give special love to their game

[@MachinedFace88ttv]

Then Lease it out to a company that downsizes and bring home the big bucks!

[@daanstrik4293]

He's a youtuber, not a game developer. Such projects fail more often than not

[@neongamer5289]

@@daanstrik4293 got any better ideas? Also read what I said, he has to find game loving devs. Gather the crew and we will fund them

[@daanstrik4293]

​@@neongamer5289 No I don't have a better idea. But that doesn't make yours a good one. Assuming he 1) knows developers with the skills/experience required to take on this huge task 2) has a big enough audience to fund it (which is unlikely due to the casual nature of PS2, and its already near extinct playerbase) He would still need to 1) get people to maintain the game. Keep it hacker free & provide updates 2) Surpass PS2 in some major ways without alienating the existing target audience 3) somehow fund itself into the future. 4) not get sued by whoever owns the planetside IP by the time the game is done. And thats assuming he starts immediatly, and a competitor doesn't sweep in to take over the existing audience (which is already a struggle with games like foxhole, battlefield, battlebit, etc). I mean, how many cases do you know where a youtuber of a dying game manages to revive it? Especially one with 0 experience in either team leading or game development. if any youtuber can revive planetside (even if only as a minor community ran server project) it would be Wrel.

[@sailcat662]

@@neongamer5289 You're going to get a ton of replies like Daan here. The Planetside community is pretty cynical and I can't say I blame them

[@Piombo65]

I'm actively following the development of EVE Vanguard. A modular fps of EVE Online which is going to be officially categorized as MMOFPS. For now we have limited players number per session but from launch, there could be the possibility to heavily increase maybe allowing you to do operations from "black/spec-ops little numbers" to "huge-scale Planetside 2" battles. And we're mentioning "Planetside 2" everyday in the official communication channels.

[@tdring10681]

unfortunately the eve devs have had a hard time with any other games outside of eve from what I remember of dust it was good but it still failed

[@Piombo65]

@@tdring10681 that's why CCP is making the game with Players feedback, at the point it's also considered "player-made" fps.

[@MUSTAVATUG]

I'll believe this when I see it. It's just a crap extraction shooter atm and they want monthly subscription to play!

[@Poorgeniu5]

Oh yeah, the Dust 514 spiritual successor. I got the closed beta invitation but I forgotten about it when Helldivers 2 was popping off... and I would also have to download another launcher...

[@Piombo65]

@@MUSTAVATUG that's only for playtests and you have also the option of the single purchase in the next one in November. It could be Freetoplay at launch

[@rozonus]

I wish that Smedley and his Amazon Games team would pick up this IP, then there'd be lots of money behind it with a team leader who actually likes the genre

[@Laach826]

I feel like putting footage of those games or projects would give me a better idea of what you're talking about since a few of those games I have no idea about.

[@khodexus4963]

As a game designer myself, I have a design doc for an MMOFPS that takes alot of the lessons of PlanetSide 2 and tries to address them. Unfortunately, I'm just not in a position to make a game on that scale at present, but it's still something I update now and then, just in case. Without going into too much detail, I decided to take a Starcraft inspired approach to a three faction asymmetrical balance. Maybe someday.

[@xmaxdamage]

maybe you could try a kickstarter campaign and see how it goes

[@khodexus4963]

@@xmaxdamage There are some things I would need to do before getting to that point, like making sure I had a team that could at least handle the project conceptually. People who understood alot of the programming that would be required, things like that. Even if I'd need a much bigger team eventually. There are aspects of it that are beyond my current capabilities and those of the people I work with aside from simply manpower, but we are working up to that sort of thing. Maybe if we could at least make a proof of concept demo, that may be a good launching point for a kickstarter. I will definitely keep it in mind as we get closer to finishing our current project.

[@xmaxdamage]

@@khodexus4963 nice, I wish you luck then mate :)

[@joeyoung9596]

I could say Planetside 2 (not Planetside 1), is quite similar to Command & Conquer: Renegade in some aspects. Although C&C: Renegade didn't have 3 factions and a huge map, but it does share some things like having terminals for accessing certain tech, vehicles and infantry. Eventho some say it's more of a RTS/FPS Hybrid like Natural Selection, but it's way different than that, in C&C: Renegade you couldn't build bases like normal RTS/FPS hybrid. Just my thoughts on it, because Renegade is imo a simple to get into game like Planetside 2, compared to Natural Selection 2. it has some interesting ideas, that to this day not a lot of games especially RTS/FPS hybrid adapted the idea. :)

[@Goulagksy]

@khodexus4963 As a game design enthousiast (not my job, just love reading / watching videos about it) I would love to see your doc if you ever wished to share it. I always felt that a MMOFPS is such a difficult genre that it's some kind of a infeasible task.

[@KristanDL]

There is one old and forgotten universe that could be easily made into an MMOFPS - Starsiege. It's the game universe that later on gave us the Tribes series. Especially take a look at Tribes 2, which I believe was heavy inspiration for the original PlanetSide. How the bases were made, multicrew vehicles like tanks and bombers. So we can actually go back to the roots of it all. We have multiple factions, aliens, mechs, tanks, aircrafts, everything that could be made into the full scale war equal to the PlanetSide.

[@RaidenHuttbroker]

Just seems kinda funny that Amazon Game Studios has had Smed there for so long and he's been slowly raking in all these former Planetside 2 devs.... hmm....

[@Jarred-J254]

I have said before it's rather bizzare and unfortunate some game studios have never seemed to try replicating the Planetside MMOF/TPS formula. Like the concept of putting 1-2k players on a map and fighting each other in massive engagements somewhat creating a realistic warfare scenario. One game that has seemed to sort of copy the concept is the US Civil War game War of Rights, not sure you heard of or played that Cyrious, but the idea of say 200vs200 like Planetside was known for is indeed something that needs a reboot. Like it's so crazy that back in the glory days of Planetside 2 other major game studios didn't look at this game and be all "Hmm you know what this might be a good concept to follow." I mean sure Battlefield kind of gives similar vibes but still doesn't compete in terms of number of players, and like you said the idea of reviving old games like Chivalry following a Planetside-style format of fighting over various locations on an open map, maybe sieging small villages, to forts, to massive castles. Being able to use in place of tanks and AFVs stuff like catapults or trebuchets, ballistas, horses and carriages, war elephants etc. Planetside 2 could have been a new era in the shooter genre and yet almost nobody has bothered to try following the format, we can only hope that Planetside 2 eventually gets a new lease of life in the coming months.

[@tahj420]

I always thought that too, seems odd the closest replication of large scale combat came from Battle bit which is an indie game. I have no idea why no studio has decided to touch on this concept it's basically free real estate.

[@VladMatejka]

I mean I always figured nobody replicated a game like PS2 because the games that were becoming popular...fortnite, pubg, etc. are just waay to easy. A game like PS is complex. It requires a studio or publisher that will just love making it and not think only of the ease of development or profit margin

[@tahj420]

@@VladMatejka Someone else replied a basically said the same thing in a different way and you guys are right on the money. It has most definitely has to be passion project in order of having any hope of pulling it off, similar to many gofundme projects.

[@GustavoMsTrashCan]

> Could it be Planetside 3? PS2 has been around for several years. If it (still) haven't grabbed attention from the major dev teams to make a PS2 sequel for all these years... it won't happen now.

[@Kowalamaster]

A planetside 3 would have to be so much more than what Planetside 2 is, and was, that It would be a huge undertaking to create, but if it were built right it could be a game to stand decades.

[@The_Moe_Szyslak_Exp_feat_Homer]

Crazy that Halo wasn't mentioned, but I do take Cyrious as more of a strictly PC gamer. The Halo universe is nearly a 1-1 copy of Planetside. You've got basically the same 3 factions The UNSC (Terran Republic) = A militaristic and imperial government (with facist tendencies), that after several centuries of conflict united all planets and nations in the sol system under a single democratic government (on paper). After that, humanity began to colonize other solar systems, where true democracy only really existed on Earth, and other colonies where exploited for resources. Your Brittish Empire allegory faction. The Insurection (New Conglomerate) = Said exploited labour of Earth's colonies and rag-tag group of militias. Forced to pay heavy taxes without any (meaningful) representaton. Trying to break free from the iron grip of the Earth based government through open rebellion (and occasional terrorism). Your Murica allegory faction. The Covenant (Vanu Sovereignty) = A religous cult that worships an ancient civilization of god-like aliens and also worship the technology they left behind. Believe that their gods used technology to ascend into beings of pure energy, and want to follow in their footsteps. Their faction uses the color purple for everything, with sleek curves and strange designs. The weapons they use are all plasma and battery based, and the vehicles have levitation technology instead of wheels. They will exterminate anyone who desecrates their holy relics or stands in their way of achieving godhood. So you see... Everything I just described is equally true for both Halo and Planetside. They already have the same factions, similar weapons, vehicles and story themes. If Microsoft management had at least on braincell, they would make a Halo MMOFPS like Planetside. I can garantuee you that if done right, it would grow bigger than World of Warcraft. But instead, Halo is now a dead franshice just like Star Wars, after years of pumping out half-assed trash.

[@bayed809]

The early days of the new world was the closest i got to replicating the same feeling as being part of/leading a squad in planetside. The open world pvp and action combat culminated perfectly.

[@tahj420]

I'm only 3 minutes in but I just left a comment on a video you made 2 weeks ago and now my comments seem pointless lol. Good content man, you're probably the only Planetside youtuber I still watch and I'm not entirely sure why. But I love the content man.

[@ugoboom]

Halo. Every single time I see a scythe and a magrider, deep down I wish they were banshees and wraiths. A ps2 style MMOFPS with UNSC v Covie v Forerunner (and maybe v Flood) is my dream game. If only MS and 343i weren't in charge of halo these days...

[@tahj420]

LMFAO, Dude if they would just give us another ODST game or a remaster of Halo 3 we all would collectively be happy, and they just refuse to give us it in any shape or form. Like why are the doing this to their own fans/customers!? It's just comical at this point.

[@enovos3138]

You might want to look into "ww2 online chokepoint" there first game, simply "ww1 online" was basically primitive planetside

[@YoSomePerson]

I always wished we would have a good rts/mmofps. The strategy part was never much focused in in PS2. But having a arcade Version of ARMA with a 1000 or more people would be dope af imo.

[@insanitysreign6195]

@YoSomePerson So, like Silica but bigger maps and more players and systems?

[@YoSomePerson]

@@insanitysreign6195 yep

[@schishne7546]

The Forever Winter. If nobody is gonna do it, I will try to go for it eventually

[@daemonsoadfan]

I thought one day of a "Medievalside 2" game, imagine capturing zones and castles with catapults and knights, or building forts, walk into villages, etc, everything on the same scale as planetside 2

[@efraim3364]

Dark Age of Camelot was that game

[@HeyNavi]

Closest thing that comes to mind is elder scrolls online PvP

[@etiennedoucet2672]

Gloria victis was it. But it is not a thing anymore as they failed due to cash hungry devs.

[@daemonsoadfan]

@@etiennedoucet2672 oh i didn't know gloria victis, interesting, sad it's stopping then :((

[@etiennedoucet2672]

​@@daemonsoadfan it is unfortunate indeed! It had crafting farming, economy, castle sieges with catapults and infantry and cavalry. 3 factions. It was actually fun!

[@Just_Merv_]

I always thought they would bring M.A.G. back to have that modern feel to it.

[@enovos3138]

The biggest problem with warhammer and star wars is that one faction will easily be more popular than all others.

[@jacksheldon8566]

What about a planetside like game with each faction being of completely different race? One human, one insect, one killer robot?

[@fr0zen1isshadowbanned99]

Some say that Dune Awakening will be somewhat like PlanetSide, but I don't really believe that it will be anywhere close to the Nanite Death Cycle we are used to. Sony should want to make another PlanetSide. They have been all in with their Live Service nonsense for a while. And just selling Movie Games is not attracting enough Players to sustain a Company like PlayStation. Well, we should have seen a KickStarter for PS3 for years, and nothing happened. So here we are... We could have had a Warhammer40k Game in the PlanetSide Style if they had enough Money when developing Eternal Crusade... PlanetSide it is for me until anything comes close, and if nothing happens, I watch 1000 Episodes of One Piece, 500 Episodes of DragonBall, and play whatever else is in my Backlog. I think I'll be fine. Sad, but fine. And I will spend even less time on THIS ONE GAME.

[@ghostbravo7127]

Amazon has such incredible devs who could do this game justice with a proper successor, and they have nothing like this right now. I don't think they will ever touch something like Planetside 2 or its successor, despite being able to afford it, but I really wish they would.

[@cosmokramer9139]

There's a game called MetalCore that has every planetside class, but the flying and tanks are completely different. Also, mechs play a huge role.

[@LuciarTRPS2]

Love that you mentioned DAoC. Loved that game so much

[@goostafo9817]

Killzone seems like a good option for an mmofps. It already has two distinct factions with their own weaponry.

[@Remixthisgaming]

Commander in contact with multiple factions would be amazing. Especially if he did Yuri, the Soviets and the Allies or the mutants GDI and NOD.

[@omgitsesa8823]

This is gonna show my age but i would love a reboot of Frontlines: Fuel of War

[@tblxpn]

Could someone please tell me the name of the specific song in the first third of this video? I haven't been able to find it on the EVE soundtrack or the Kinesthetics album.

[@jimmydesouza4375]

If star citizen ever actually becomes a working game that seems like it'll be a 1:1 Planetside 2 replacement.

[@VladMatejka]

I love the mmofps and massive battles, but also Planetside...if the game dies there will be a hole that won't be filled without PS3. I'm coming to terms with that. It's a great game. Always will be to me despite the issues. It's been a ton of fun. That being said there was a lot of good ideas with arena and some aspects reminded me of Unreal Tournament, which is my next favorite shooter. We have Epic Games, Digital Extremes, both studios i would trust to pull of PS3, especially DE, but it's not their wheelhouse lately. War/Soulframe are there babies and that's fine. Thing is PS2 is the shooter I always wanted. It won't be filled with a different style of persistent PvP. Gotta be guns, gotta be futuristic, gotta be big, and RPGish. When you think about it Unreal Tournament carried similar chaos although on a smaller scale, especially with their vehicles, too. There are quite a few similarities.

[@miaobrunelle1673]

MAG 2 would be amazing

[@MistyAndBonnie]

I think when the average GPU or CPU gets higher, than gaming might slowly expand into this genre more, just by natural default. For example apex legends had a Limited time mode that was really popular. where you can respawn and get 3 chances, so you had the team you just killed trying to drop on you for revenge and it was pure chaos and so much fun that i think its better than the default apex experience.

[@tahj420]

I honestly hate how punishing apex legends is. It honestly turned me off of Battle Royal entirely. For me the moment to moment gameplay is as fun as spell break or as nonsensical as Fortnite. But the Skill ceiling is so damn high. It makes it hard for me to want to play enough to get good at the game. when you are getting completely slammed. I will say that being able to respawn would fix most of that for me.

[@selctat115]

Idk how anyone hasn’t thought they should make a Star Wars MMO FPS

[@VladMatejka]

I'm thinking Battlefront but 1000 players

[@WpA09]

ESO has a PvP MMO arena where you control the battlefield and capture strongholds with siege engines and the like. I never got into it much, mostly been spending my time in the PvE MMORPG world, but I've had some good times in the PvP mode too

[@diggles27]

Too bad the pvp class balance is horrific. Bethesda is probably the worst studio to do a PvP game.

[@zom-b-bunny2565]

Battlebit kinda scratches that itch I have for planetside

[@xmaxdamage]

ww2 online is a MMOFPS and is getting an engine update AFAIK

[@FoxyFilth]

A halo mmofps would be sweet

[@stevenharper9108]

Command and Conquer has Renegade X already. It’s not endorsed by EA, but it’s been running for a long time now.

[@MoonyTheBat]

DUST 514 "2" is the obvious answer for me. A lot of dust players came to Planetside once Dust shut down. A bigger Dust would be amazing. They already have the 4 factions of course, they have all those planned/concept vehicles like transport trucks, heavy gunships, jets, that never made it into the game... it would be perfect. Of course, the direction they're taking EVE Vanguard is not that so I doubt it would ever happen. ...at least I can dream.

[@jakewebb7995]

arma reforger is popping off rn. if you enjoy teamplay its the best ive found so far.

[@WileyBoxx]

Star Wars is the perfect universe for an MMOFPS. Original trilogy era or prequels.

[@jacksheldon8566]

Clones, droïdes, and?

[@WileyBoxx]

@@jacksheldon8566 Pirates/Underworld? But there don't have to be 3 factions. It can be just 2.

[@jacksheldon8566]

@@WileyBoxx 3 factions is the best. If one faction win too much, both others can focus It. It can lead to a fun chaos on the middle of a map.

[@TheBackyardChemist]

are we sure that the technical challenge is as high as we think it is? battlebit has 254 player battles, sure it is low-poly, sure that is not quite whole-map pop for ps2, but it is very decent sized for an indie studio they made it work quite well, i had a lot of fun playing battlebit

[@rexthewolf3149]

That’s the things since it’s low poly it’s easier. It’s not insurmountable but it’s work that might now be worthwhile in the end.

[@TheBackyardChemist]

@@rexthewolf3149 to a certain extent, the poly count of the models does not matter when it comes to the netcode

[@etiennedoucet2672]

Gloria Victis was the medieval version of planetside to me.... But unfortunately they failed due to a bunch of reasons. But it was the closest and it was SSSUUUPPPEERR fun. Had to manage castle assault, infantry, cavalry, "artillery", farming, crafting, 3 factions

[@Djrealfake]

I play a lot of Arma and squad I'd have to say right now people want to see large and open-ended battles in pretty much every era of warfare world war II up and definitely Star wars, 40K, and Halo. Star wars the clone wars to be specific though. I completely agree though if foxhole was first person I probably would have uninstalled PlanetSide 2 a while ago because it scratches every itch but top down combat hurts my soul.

[@Sherudons]

Best one that is primed and has all the interesting choices is battletech, they have infantry, tanks, mechs, aerospace, artillery it's all in the universe down to mass slogs through cities or open wilderness, you have multiple sides or just a lazy 1v1 of IS vs clan... I just don't want to go back to planetside anymore, game is fun, I just hate having latency that makes you feel like everything misses but hits you.

[@theDemolisher13]

4:10 if you want battles to last days we'll need a whole lot of logistics like a construction system to be part of it.

[@joshhendrix8407]

Bannerlord would be perfect, in fact, multiple mod teams are already doing it with Bannerlord Online or my preference Bannerlord Coop. The game already has massive battles with field fights, village fights, castle fights and town fights. Add some players to the already alive world and it will be a great time.

[@diggles27]

cRPG 2 mod has persistent character progression and was going to have an online map territory control and clan battle system. However, the developers quit.

[@norman4588]

Planetside 2 is comparable to Rising Force Online, or RF Online. I enjoy the three factions fighting for supremacy with each has own uniqueness and challenges in the game; but, if the developers wanted to construct something akin to Planetside 2, I would advise making it pay to play. The actual threat to this kind of intense PVP activity is hackers and bug players.

[@DemonKnight94]

Yeah, i would prefer Sci Fi shooters for MMOFPS either near future like Cyberpunk or far future like Halo. If it's medieval i would prefer it to be Fantasy, to diversify the gameplay with wizards and flying mounts ect.

[@0poIE]

*It could be a fekking Toy Storyside game like PS1 and it would still be LIT*

[@raxalot]

I was hoping with Battlefield going 128 players they were moving in that Live Service MMOFPS direction but that seems to have fallen on it's face with the new news of Battlefield going back to 64 players.

[@theDemolisher13]

Question some IPs to look at and yes these are minor IPs would be Playstation 3's 2007 Warhawk and their 2012 sequel Starhawk. Both IPs are basically dead and could probably be bought off Sony for the right price.

[@0poIE]

*Cuisine Royale (CRSED) battle royale could be turned into the PS1 metagame and be very good!*

[@xmaxdamage]

yeaaaaaaa for the algo!

[@chriss9836]

no mention of halo?

[@efraim3364]

new Battlefield game was announced just the other day, PS2 isnt going to survive that

[@WolfDarkrose]

is the mmo fps tho since connery besides weekends is a dessert i throw it aside and gave up a clan and 1500 because the simplist things playstation them daybreak then plant games and whatever heck else they go on about .. is it toooo much to ask for the west and east NA servers to be meshed on the east cost. im na west like cali and id have 80 ping at worse

[@JustHereForTheDialogue]

“Corascant” the planet isn’t pronounced the same way as the normal word. The second c is silent. I can’t be assed to link them but if you google it you’ll come across a Reddit post where a guy posts a few clips from the movies of characters pronouncing it.

[@tahj420]

TBH Cyrious, I get where you're coming from when you say anything would be better and I mostly agree. But man... Sony is really shooting themselves in the foot with putting out Concord and Microsoft is busy fumbling their most valuable FPS I.P Halo. I'd honestly say Amazon or Tencent maybe even Activision would all be better options at this point. Never thought I'd ever type such a cursed sentence. I really wonder why we aren't seeing this Genre take off in any shape or form. I Kind of expected an MMOFPS from Destiny not the looter shooter everyone else seems satisfied with. Games today just feel so unimaginative and unfulfilling. Double A games like Helldivers or indie games Like Lethal Company feel leaps and bounds ahead of the game market as a whole in terms of either innovation or simply just delivering a solid product.

[@paullees6687]

Hard agree. "Anything" is easy until you see microtransactions, emotes, and broken gameplay in the 2nd iteration of a franchise. I'd wait 3-4 years for a planet side 3 if it meant a dedicated studio took the reigns and werent too focused on profit margins

[@Zero118]

Star Citizen is my planetside replacement. Hoping 4.0 server meshing goes well.

[@diggles27]

With the success of Warhammer Space Marine 2, I believe Warhammer franchises the most likely. Other good franchises would be StarCraft, EVE Online, Mad Max, MechWarrior & StarGate

[@redjacc7581]

Warhammer 40K had a game called Eternal Crusade but the devs managed to cockitup.

[@Slay0lot]

After being on Star Citizen tonight and seeing server mesh successful with over 1,000 players on a server. As time progresses 10,000 players can be on a single server. I have come to the conclusion it is over for Planetside. As much as I love the game. No developments lead to a dying population.

[@planetoflies2868]

my top 3 is Warhammer 40k on 3 C&C on 2 and I would go mad max on top, massive vehicle potential, just need some creativity to make the maps any interesting

[@Just_Merv_]

I've been hoping for a PlanetSide 3 at least update the graphics and tweak some mechanics. 🤞🏾🤞🏾

[@ryanpoe9791]

Titanfall. I want a titanfall mmofps.

[@cosmokramer9139]

Anyone but EA. They would make the game DOA with microtransactions and p2w mechanics.

[@theravendelve987]

I think that it's the genre not the setting. Planetside as a setting isn't particularly intriguing frankly. Do I find it cool? Yeah but I didn't play planetside for the setting that was just a bonus. It was the big battles. I think alot of people clamoring for larger scale battles in the aftermath of sm2 might lead to a second attempt of a larger fps with a well established studio instead of unknowns like behaviour was

[@slipspectrum9253]

I wish studios would just listen to the die hard players instead of the newbies. I’ve never taken a starting position job in my life and expected to be instantly made CEO in a week. Grinding is part of the game. I played knowing full well there are vets lurking to ruin my day. But I soon learned and ruined some days myself! We have given way too much away to the newbs trying to entice them to stick around. I think PS2 tried to ease the grind by releasing too much fluff that didn’t do anything for the game while ignoring all the bugs and glitches that made it frustrating to play for people that would have become the next diehards. I firmly believe there was a sweet spot that this game had once upon a time, sometime before construction and from that point on the devs spent more time and money alienating the player base. Hiring Wrel was the final nail in that cynical, go fuck yourselves, you salty players, coffin. You can argue he “saved the game” but looking around, all I can say is bullshit. Extended its life? Nah… We’d still be right here today. He was too controversial from the word go, and as many fan boys he has, he has a lot more haters. His additions to the game were 99% bullshit and his attitude towards the player base was unhelpful and unhealthy. Where do we go from here? Who knows. But man, the Brasse is not impressed and these bonus checks are mighty thin.

[@bakabule1014]

Why not halo?

[@MechShark]

Eternal Crusade for 40k, now shut down. Battlefront remakes for Star Wars, received poorly. That EVE MMOFPS thing that tried persistent world but using traditional game sessions (also dead). I don't think scale matters, it's the game feeling and the sandbox/persistence mixed with aesthetic attachment (factions). The biggest question is, how do we source talent who would be interested in trying to get this off the ground? I don't think we should sit around wishing for licensing deals.

[@DemonKnight94]

Even Battlefield, when 2042 tried 128 players, the players hated it and it went back to 64 players. Even te sequel looks to be 64.

[@rexthewolf3149]

@@DemonKnight94most because the map design was degraded to make 128 possible.

[@rexthewolf3149]

The EA Battlefront games, (i don’t know why people call them remakes they’re clearly not) weren’t received that poorly and commercially they are 2 of the best selling Star Wars games ever made.

[@MechShark]

@@rexthewolf3149 The hell are you talking about, Battlefront 2015 was rife with performance issues and lacking a meaningful core game loop, while Battlefront 2017 was the source of the meme "pride and accomplishment" in defense of the MTX nonsense they forced in

[@rexthewolf3149]

@@MechShark yes your right. But that an oversimplification of the long term. Especially in the case of 2 that still has a devoted player base to this day.

[@BongRipBing]

I know the answer... That *EVE Online Survival spinoff* that's tied to crypto!!! /s 🤦‍♂

[@TurakGames]

Warhammer and Age of Sigmar would be cool. LoTR is too black and white, wouldn't work as MMOs focused on PvP needs 3 factions at least or FFA mode

[@Brandon34098]

not all mmofps need to be pvpvp could also be part environment or a.i hordes or conditions like a wild west era could have heat/water and food concerns. resource concern implementation doesnt need to be survival but logistical something that could be implemented into ps2 easily iirc there was briefly something like that around when there was 4 resource types that would also slowly regenerate to guarantee no stagnation but it was abandoned because it resulted in snowballing and saw no further thought, it also dosent need to be the classic fps it can have something like vats from fallout as an assist for the fps disadvantaged not sure how balancing would work but there is ideas to play with on the whole mmofps idea that rarely see anything outside of the trend that was set long ago

[@Brandon34098]

to build on my thoughts a little, ps2 started early into the trend then gathered a thick layer of dust then came back to life to late to regain momentum without some serious effort, we didnt see any serious effort until wrel took over but even then wrel and the team he had wasnt enough to break out of the set trend as well as the issue of being a "known" game and people not wanting to redownload such a large game to see what could be negligible changes or additions

[@tahj420]

Vats would be a step too far for me. But I get the gist of what your saying and I kind of agree. Planetside definitely could try to lean more into the rpg side of things since it's already so far off the beaten path for an fps game. I Just think it would be better served leaning into more gameplay options or playstyles being viable. Which is sort of where I think you're going too with adding resources to the game. It's just so much that you have test and implement and test and modify. It's all just such a nerve wracking process.

[@daanstrik4293]

Planetside just has to many problems at its roots. PS2 has primarily survived due to a dedicated community and the uniqueness of its concept. But that community has slowly bled away. Even if PS3 were to release right now: to survive in the modern gaming landscape it would need to be near unrecognizeable. "Massive battles" aren't as much a selling point anymore. And PS2 doesn't even do them the best anymore (Nobody cares if there's another fight going on several hexes over if it doesn't affect the current one. It doesn't matter that its one map without loading zones since it barely affects gameplay). - battlebit (which was released by a smaller studio) has the massive multiplayer "gameplay" down pretty well. - Battlefield (especially battlefield 1) has got the "vibe" of being in such a game down as well - And foxhole has got the logistics audience locked down. What planetside 2 has left is: - unique flying (which feels extremely unintuitive, has problems with flyer alliances, and is generally disliked by the community due to its pisspoor balance). - Unique mechanics with its class abilities (most notably the invisible sniper which is universally hated, and the jetpack). - Combined arms warfare (battlefield + battlebit + foxhole all have this as well. And of them I think PS2 does it the worst. Vehicles can rarely even enter bases) - Maxes. Again, these are pretty controversial. - A dynamic battlefield. During those rare occasions where you have a good&fun fight: you really feel the eb and flow of the battlefield. - a relatively noob-friendly introduction. This used to be much worse but actually got significantly better over time. There's still some baffeling decisions made here though. - absolutely no matchmaking. This is both a strength and a weakness. But in the modern landscape where people are tired of matchmaking: I think its mostly a positive. - 3 factions. This one is still fully unique to planetside as far as I know. Its far from perfect (NS weapons shared amongst all factions, few unique vehicles and little mechanical difference between them). But its still there and a major appeal for new players. - The game has history *and* is still getting updates This is why I think PS3 won't ever happen. The game would be expensive to develop, success would be far from guaranteed (especially with the bleeding playerbase and the battle-royale being a big disaster). And so many of the things that made people originally interested also became flaws or were adapted by other "better" games. I still love PS2, but after trying to get people invested into it with me I was forced to admit its many, many, many flaws. Comment over. I did not expect it to be this long when I started writing. And I definitely lost track of where I was even going with this.

[@tahj420]

You're absolutely right, however I truly don't believe Battlebit or Battlefield Have anywhere near the combined arms gameplay of Planetside 2. What game allows you to have 24 MBT followed by an entire air force of 12 person transport vehicles and air assault vehicles Simultaneously? Now, does it play well? I cannot say i haven't really played enough Planetside recently. But even play on console rolling in a column of over a dozen tanks is just a spectacle on it's own. I Also think Planetside even to this day, with what little knowledge of the game I have, has the worse new player experience of any fps game, purely from a design standpoint(unlocks/skills). It is so bad that the community literally refers to noob stomping as farming. Which is hilarious.

[@-gnicE-]

STALCRAFT: X

[@MUSTAVATUG]

If only CCP had taken the combined arms/FPS aspects of DUST514 and put it into their new game EVE vanguard then we would all have our new MMO game. Instead they don't want my money either, they just wanna make a dog shit extraction shooter. May PS2 rest in peace.

[@tahj420]

It probably isn't completely off the table.

[@whothoughthandleswereagoodidea]

Someone make a half life mmofps it would fuck hard

[@Passance]

I, for one, do not give one flying fuck about Planetside as a franchise. I play Planetside 2 because it's literally the only large scale FPS left after Heroes & Generals died. Some of the H&G revival projects (Warbound, Beyond Heroes) might be worth keeping tabs on as they develop.

[@Nayrock]

Fundog's new IP "The Forever Winter" would make an amazing FPSMMO. or EVE Online's universe

[@gootubesucks9390]

you gave me a xp bonus after i took 2 years off from playing NC for a few years. i played TR after that for like 3 years it was awesome. DIM army 4 life too vanoob are trash. i never saw you on the battlefield tho but i was mainly a solo fit for TR