[CN Beta v7.6v3] Let's Talk About Songque (Jovial Deception: Shadowdimmer)

P/S :
12:50 HoRb is using Sus T Ala MB, not her signature hence why Songque dmg is very bad
But I have retest it so here's the actual run if you wanna see it
• [CN Beta v7.6v3] Songq...
I'm sorry that I overlooked on this 🙏
Last CN Beta video for v7.6
There is some buff and nerf, but for this video, just want to go for the basic and discussion of using Songque
Feel free to use timestamp to navigate through these video
Song :
Arahato Theme
Tollef - Time With You ft. RVLE
• Tollef - Time With You...
Ayon - Starlight
• Ayon - Starlight (Lyrics)
0:00 Intro
0:13 How To Use Songque?
1:26 Songque Lead For Part 1 Team
2:32 Songque with Project Bunny as AstralOP
3:02 Serapeum and Lantern Needed For Crit?
3:51 Lantern + Thelema Crit Test Run
4:39 Lantern + Senadina Crit Test Run
5:26 Thelema + Coralie Crit Test Run
6:15 Crit Test Run Discussion
6:50 DMG Comparison With Part 1 Team
7:44 Can Songque Support?
8:01 Thelema DPS with Senadina Lantern Support Test
8:28 Thelema DPS with Senadina Songque Support Test
8:54 Lantern DPS with Senadina Songque Support Test
9:35 Lantern DPS with Senadina Thelema Support Test
10:17 Support Test Result
10:39 Comparison Between CE DPS and TA HoRb JDS
10:44 CE DPS vs Alien Guard : Supplement (Physical)
12:50 TA HoRb JDS vs Alien Guard : Supplement (Physical)
15:14 Result
15:26 Compare DMG Between All Possible Team
15:50 Can Songque use Songque AstralOP?
16:04 SSS Serapeum DMG Test
16:57 SSS Songque DMG Test
17:49 AstralOP Comparison Result
18:01 Priority to Pull Songque (Got Lantern/No Lantern)
18:51 END
#honkaiimpact #honkai3rd #honkaiimpact3rd #honkaibeta #songque

[@NyllHzri]

P/S : I've made a mistake for TA HoRb JDS run, HoRb is not using her signature stigmata so I have to rerun the whole run, you can check it out here kzbin.info/www/bejne/d3S5gYWtqNeqnpo Towards the end, I start to get tired from talking so I just go with normal text video lol, hopefully won't affect the information I'm trying to send So what do I think about Songque? A̶s̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶v̶3̶b̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶T̶L̶D̶R̶,̶ ̶S̶o̶n̶g̶q̶u̶e̶ ̶G̶r̶e̶e̶n̶ ̶F̶o̶r̶m̶ ̶(̶O̶u̶t̶s̶i̶d̶e̶ ̶S̶t̶e̶l̶l̶a̶r̶ ̶O̶u̶t̶b̶u̶r̶s̶t̶)̶ ̶g̶e̶t̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶n̶e̶r̶f̶e̶d̶ ̶p̶r̶e̶t̶t̶y̶ ̶h̶a̶r̶d̶,̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶ ̶o̶n̶l̶y̶ ̶r̶e̶a̶s̶o̶n̶ ̶I̶ ̶c̶o̶u̶l̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶i̶n̶k̶ ̶o̶f̶f̶ ̶i̶s̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶y̶ ̶d̶o̶n̶'̶t̶ ̶w̶a̶n̶t̶ ̶t̶o̶ ̶m̶a̶k̶e̶ ̶T̶A̶ ̶H̶o̶R̶b̶ ̶t̶e̶a̶m̶ ̶v̶i̶a̶b̶l̶e̶ ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶S̶o̶n̶g̶q̶u̶e̶,̶ ̶h̶e̶n̶c̶e̶ ̶w̶h̶y̶ ̶C̶E̶ ̶D̶P̶S̶ ̶c̶a̶n̶ ̶s̶o̶m̶e̶w̶h̶a̶t̶ ̶d̶o̶ ̶b̶e̶t̶t̶e̶r̶ ̶o̶n̶ ̶A̶l̶i̶e̶n̶ ̶G̶u̶a̶r̶d̶ As for v3b and TLDR, Songque Green Form (Outside Stellar Outburst) feels a lot stronger than v2, her ultimate dmg is nerfed but her combo attack is so fkin strong so it quite balanced it out, so she can still work pretty well with TA HoRb, she can also score better than CE DPS against Alien Guard Songque Gold Form (Stellar Outburst) is back to v2 dmg, which is strong and broken I forgot to mention about Songque support, she cannot support Senadina DPS since she cannot trigger Resonance Mark I feel like Songque is very strong Physical DPS, the fact that she is the second S rank Stardust Valkyrie makes it harder to recommend player to skip her She also have locked skill in AR skill tree which is the same with Senadina before Thelema release Who knows Songque might be mandatory support for upcoming v7.7 valkyrie In the end, she is solid valkyrie to play with I would definitely recommend you to pull Songque if you like her gameplay She is still Herrscher lvl strong and futureproof Also feet

[@Hiken_Bakuzan]

..........Also feet Cant forget that important reason

[@martindharmawan5567]

Deym bro mentioned the important part FEET😂

[@Kodla]

Thank you for the detailed vid on Songque Hazu!!!! ALSO VOICED VIDEO LET'S GOOOO! really appreciate it and looking forward to more (if you're comfy with it of course)

[@NyllHzri]

Omg thanks kodla :)) Still need to type script and then talk which is quite a hassle for me, no skill yet to talk spontaneously 😂

[@byeguyssry]

Wow, thanks for such a detailed video! Just a bit of feedback though, maybe add a "Percent%" for DPS on top of the damage per rotation to make the rotation length's impact more obvious

[@jysimpp]

Tysm for such a good and detailed video!!!!

[@PersesEmi]

Less than 2 more days till the 7.6 drops. It had me wondering if Songque can support my Thelema. Thanks to your video, it confirms that she can, along with Coralie. I'm all set for the AR, SD, physical and Ice weather. 4/4 Songque and S.0 Serapeum are in the bag! I'll have enough crystals to pull more than 80 times~ (30 pulls remaining on the rate up valk banner, and 18 pulls on the Astral banner)

[@mimimitsu]

Not first 😭Thanks for the guide! Edit: Simp beat me by a split second :((

[@NyllHzri]

you're welcome bby

[@lan66hardy]

After Luna and Horb i can’t trust hoyo about futureproof valks. They might get powercrept sooner than expected

[@cakegood]

Luna is fine, herrscher of rebirth got powrcrept as a support but her dps still good

[@joaosantos-uj9uw]

@@cakegoodHoRB has been by far the saddest summer herrscher yet. Even HoF was the best fire dps for a little over a year

[@lan66hardy]

@@cakegood for now

[@cakegood]

​@@joaosantos-uj9uwYeah, herrscher of rebirth is the fastest herrscher to get powrtcrept next to herrscher trio

[@WhistleRedGem]

very helpful

[@black_pantheon]

Sadge that I have the perfect team for her (Lantern and Senadina) but dont have the crystals nor the pity, its hard to stay f2p in honkai in p2, anyways great video, super detailed and insightfull, hope u get her

[@evexcefgame]

If my understanding was correct, that means Sena is officially "core support" for Part 2 DPS right? She's not just "elemental* core support" anymore. Since she's needed for elemental breach for Lantern and Thelema DPS. And she's needed for that crit for Songque DPS? And even with Sera as AstralOP, Sena + Lantern is still the best support for Songque?

[@NyllHzri]

Yes, some case use Sena Lantern for SD boss and Lantern Thelema for general boss Since Thelema evade can regen an energy, she is valuable for high score attempt But if you don't plan to get Sera then Lantern Sena is the best team so you don't have to deal with crit problem

[@evexcefgame]

@@NyllHzri Thank you! Yah, I also saw that in your vid, there's almost no "no crit counter" generated with Lantern + Sena as support.

[@RyougiVector]

gah i got back in on lantern's banner so i'm hoping sena gets another rerun soon lmao

[@GxVenture]

I felt so lost in part 2

[@tablen2896]

New Hazu lore just dropped

[@NyllHzri]

🤨

[@simpoftunality]

For Sena dps team, how valuable do you SongGyatt is considering she can immediately collapse SD enemies? Does that mechanic help Sena at all or Thelema + Helia/Coralie dmg still feels much better

[@NyllHzri]

Songque cannot support Senadina DPS, she cannot trigger resonance mark so Thelema Helia is still better for Sena DPS

[@duynguyenbao5508]

Do you think all other elements will have thier own version of helia? An a rank elements support with astral ring gimmick? Or the S rank are enough to do those role

[@cakegood]

I mean.. maybe? They keep doing the S rank trend and it seems like it won't stop, if Vita is like Thelema she'll trigger Songue locked skill and become her best support

[@ignitingvoyager]

on TA HRB JDS segment after hrb ults alien guard started bleeding, i think your seele had bleed gear lol (Susannah t) maybe that's why score so low

[@NyllHzri]

oh my god dude I didn't even notice it lmao I'll retest it and relink another run

[@mint779]

Btw, is it worth to upgrade Elysia elf to 3* in the next spending, if I'm not going to roll any AstralOP for now and in the future? Currently having Kiana 3* and Dudu 2*

[@NyllHzri]

Yeah why not, elf now don't use any crystal and mostly just through bp and frag on spending

[@seankenneally6369]

is there any posibility that ss songque elf is going to work well enough to not need serapeum?

[@cakegood]

In red lotus and below

[@NicolyNayara]

So i have a question, my original plan was to skip Lantern and get Thelema on her rerun, since she evaded me up to 20 pity before her banner ended, my reason is because my ice team absolutely sucks, it's without a question my worst element rn, for support I have SSS 4/4 Sushang, and SSS 0/4 Kira, for DPS i have S Ely 4/4 and S 4/4 Silverwing, I also have S 4/4 HoTr, but honestly she doesn't perform that well as a DPS, and although i have an SS Herrscher of Reason with her new set, she doesn't have her divine key so shes as good as nothing, so i wanted Thelema first for ice, as i do have S 4/4 Sena and both Cora and Helia at SSS 4/4, and well, i dont need Lantern for fire, as fire is currently my strongest element, with both Kiana herrschers S 4/4, SSS 4/4 Sirin and S 2/4 Fu Hua, and even a SSS 4/4 Dea Anchora, although shes dead in meta now, and my lighting team also doesn't struggle with Luna and Sena, as for physical i have S2 4/4 Brick Senti, S2 HoBr with only her weapon and old Senti set for support and HotV set for DPS, S 4/4 horse Dudu and my strongest one being S Hare 3/4, missing only her T piece, and i was originally ok with skipping Songque rn, but now im thinking that maybe they will push Songque too much with a lot of content too tailored for her, given her plot relevance and all, so now idk if its best for me to stick to my original plan and wait for Thelema first, or if i should get Lantern now, since im only 20 away from pity, save for Songque and have a stronger phys team as well as a way better astral ring team, also for context i dont have any AstralOP besides the free one, and i dont plan on pulling for Sera, but i do have 3* Kiana, Dudu and Water's Edge to cover all elements, i do plan on eventually pulling for AstralOP but now im too broke trying to catch up to all the part 2 valks, and im maintaing Red Lotus (although with huge struggle as of late, since the new astral ring weathers screwed me over) So what plan do you think its better, given my account situation?

[@NyllHzri]

just keep this in mind, don't ever backpull older p1 valk u have to realize that hi3 rn is going full S rank back to back so getting newer battlesuit is always better don't get too paranoid that one of your element sucks, you can save it one day, don't rush it Songque have locked skill like senadina during her release so v7.7 will probably need songque as support since you mostly stay in rl, just use whatever u have and try your best to at least retain it get songque + weapon and you can use her with senadina coralie or stay with TA HoRb to survive v7.6 content having one fullgear valk is better than having many of them but missing lots of gear thelema will have rerun on that patch so IF YOU CAN AFFORD getting thelema, then you can try going for her but look for v7.7 news first before making any decision

[@hypersonixgamer1962]

Great guide, i will say it would be great to turn down the game music a little! It gets hard to hear what you're saying sometimes.

[@senjimaru]

where can I find the Discord server shown in the video?

[@NyllHzri]

That's just my own private server, it's not public

[@martindharmawan5567]

Does horb and sena support viable?

[@NyllHzri]

no, if you wanna use hrb, use hrb and ta either "1 valk part 2 + 2 valk part 1" or full part 2

[@theSeventhDruid]

I guess investing into S Sera still would be better than into SS AstralQue in Sena+Thelema team.

[@NyllHzri]

Yes, Sera too important for Songque for crit purposes

[@MRich939]

basically horb is gone because players can just mald through physical weather with new part 2 team easily in redlotus. Being sd type i guess she is not that prone to type counter? Edit: seele got obsolete quick😭😭

[@ltspfan]

they actually made a new weather (Starless?) that counters astral ring with SK boss that seemed designed for DPS HoRb because it has mech mob P1 then SK spawns with another mob. The mob with SK is easily killed which seems it was intentionally placed there for DPS HoRb's Ult to be reset. based on schedule, it should be the last abyss of 7.5.

[@MRich939]

@@ltspfan damn thanks man but damn alldat for 1 abyss cycle

[@NyllHzri]

Technically yeah she's gone, she will be forgotten by many ppl that will use songque a lot, sad day for seele

[@TheKenny2113]

still waiting on my "Forever Forgotten" weather where Kallen/Sakura/Himeko battlesuits get 8000% dmg bonus