Why Automakers Are Invading Your Privacy

[@rainingonyourcharade]

Anyone who continuously claims, "I don't do anything wrong and couldn't care less what companies track,” is not only fostering a very dangerous mindset but is also completely missing the point.

[@melindasmith3713]

The other day , I put my catlitter in the front seat and that seat belt light came on ! I thought should I buckle it up , so they don't think I have a child in the seat ? I mean it can't all be accurate data .

[@thebigpicture2032]

@@melindasmith3713 they have cabin cameras so they know what you’re putting in the car

[@crherniman]

​@@thebigpicture2032the fact that there are cabin cameras is kind of disturbing to begin with.

[@thebigpicture2032]

@@crherniman Indeed! I think Tesla started it under the guise of safety - making sure the driver isn’t falling asleep. This quickly expanded to passenger cams and full cabin cams.

[@melindasmith3713]

@@thebigpicture2032 I do t know it's a 2015 Nissan sentra.

[@creepingcharly]

I'm sick and tired of the canned corporate response of "We take customer privacy very seriously" when it's patently false and there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

[@MadsterV]

as in "we seriously want your data, all of it"

[@pvb876287]

Dont expect the truth from criminals, especially the car industry.

[@email4664]

They take your privacy..........seriously. It was an admission, not a denial

[@Calamity_Jack]

Yes, and how they always carefully say they "comply with all privacy laws." The bare minimum, nothing more, and less if they can get away with it, which they often do by exploiting grey areas and poorly enforced regulations.

[@ThisisstillMYROOM.]

That’s why one NEVER believes a politician nor anyone in power. Pure evil.

[@awesomebears]

Am i the only one that wants a car WITHOUT all this fancy tech and bs. I just want Car, Aux, stereo, and a cup holder.

[@jabronirigatoni4648]

No you are not, just shop for a used vehicle pre 2020 and you will be fine.

[@AmanitaWoodrose]

I've been saying this for ages, we need a new car manufacturer who makes mechanical fixable vehicles with cheap generic parts. Surely there's a fabulous genius out there?!

[@i-MacGyveR_-]

Not really. I’d rather everything without the invasion of privacy

[@FerrariTeddy]

@@AmanitaWoodrosei would love to find a cheap simple fixable car. Basically at this point you just need to buy an old car though.

[@lonestarrk9308]

Almost like cash for clunkers was a deliberate act to help the car industry. This is part of the reason old cars are so expensive right now. I won’t be buying any cars newer than 2018 for the rest of my life.

[@blindluck3643]

Surveillance in the name of safety. Every time governments & big corporations tells you, they are doing something for safety, it turns into Surveillance.

[@DavidLucas-zq8gb]

It's like when you get pulled over for allegedly not wearing a seat belt by a cop on a motorcycle.

[@jimhovater8755]

'Those willing to trade liberty for security deserve neither'. Ben Franklin

[@nothingbut490]

Even stores are gatherng your personal information. They offer savings to get it. They claim to serve you better . Bull . Taking inventory is all the info they need. Time to boycott these places. They'll do what they can get away with.

[@blindluck3643]

@@nothingbut490 I don't give them my info. My privacy is worth more than their pathetic savings. When restaurants ask my, I give them John Doe hahaha

[@BigWalka]

@@DavidLucas-zq8gbnah it’s the quote, made by Ben Franklin "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." He was calling people dum

[@gordonramsay8351]

a world where criminals are more interested in taking your data than stealing your car is one you should be very scared of.

[@hipidipi20157max]

corporations are the new criminals and sponsored by government

[@Ketowski]

Exactly.

[@spelunking4444]

No way thee Sir Ramsay? Wow this really is neat! Love love love the kitchen😊!

[@Jennifer-nz2ss]

We are already in it!😮

[@KaiSong-vv7wh]

You know when I go to an Amazon pickup station, I will not throw away the package into the bin there, because a thief can collect it and then call a buddy whenever I am picking up a parcel to let them know that now my flat is free to rob. And this is when I am using an e-scooter, i.e. I do not own a car. So that is where I draw privacy protection. If now anyone can read where I am and that my car shouts "here I am and hey hack my camera I am filming the driver!" then I don't know where to start expressing my rejection of concept.

[@scotttmendiola4496]

And yet when the car gets stolen, no one can find the damn car? Is there any data on the car thief? Arrest warrants, criminal history, frequent chop shops. No?

[@jabjab4434]

You are bsolutely right . And yet a guy at a garage can tell me every place I've been for car services.

[@BillyAu]

They rather you buy another 🚗🚨

[@GMAN420BC]

The idea that you can’t opt out of the car data collection makes this idea despicable especially with the cost of the car.

[@dystopia-usa]

I can (& do) turn off the connectivity services in my 2022 Mazda, though every time I start the car it pops up a screen confirming that is what I want (which is somewhat annoying). Plus, I have no use for the (IMO useless) Mazda app for my vehicle, nor any desire to use/pair my smartphone with my vehicle in any way. I just want to get into my vehicle, enjoy the driving experience (with as much of the nanny/gimmick tech as possible turned off in the settings) & relax to music from my MP3 collection off a USB drive. My smartphone is completely ignored & in my pocket while I am driving.

[@evilbred974]

@f_pie That's easier said than done dude. Sure, I could go out and buy a 1970s Buick because it won't spy on me, but I have kids and honestly their safety needs to take priority. Newer cars are objectively safer vehicles, but the unfortunate thing is while new cars are safe, they're not secure, and while old cars are secure, they aren't near as safe.

[@michaelkurciviez2057]

Because the old Buick would win in any collision with a modern plastic car?

[@edm9760]

Well you CAN opt out of anything on your cars electronics, just takes a hammer or blunt object and the willingness to eat the cost of destroying the infotainment system, and maybe using an open source software program that over rides all of the spying electronics.

[@bwofficial1776]

If I'm buying it, I should be able to do what I want with it. That includes not phoning home to the manufacturer. GM or whoever should pay me because it's clearly still their car, at least partially.

[@richardlin2359]

People in the US are worried about a surveillance state, but don't realize that it's been privatized for years now.

[@QuietgalSeeya]

Exactly, if the feds want you, they will find you.

[@JTSunriseMusic]

The same corporations win every election

[@Riza20462]

Yea i been spying on ya mam for a while

[@Devilishlybenevolent]

The US is always projecting. Claiming they're banning various Chinese companies cause they POSSIBLY spy on us and do whatever spooky things they want with our data. They're just mad cause its not them collecting it and using the data against us.

[@StephenC555]

Why Internet Are Invading Your Privacy. US should ban internet. lol

[@AK-jt7kh]

This is one reason I drove all the way to NJ to get my car. It's a 2004 Monte Carlo. Great car, and I don't feel like I'm living in a fish tank when I drive it.

[@marikothecheetah9342]

Yup, go analogue. It's the safest option.

[@corsetedwasteland2630]

I did the same. I have a 99 saturn, a 2005 ford and I'm looking for a 2003-2007 Jetta with a manual transmission because I MISS shifting gears. Driving an automatic is, well, boring. It takes all the fun AND skill out of the art of driving.

[@drunkvegangal8089]

I bought a vintage 1995 Dodge van to travel across Canada. The only computerized part was for fuel injection. Bonus! Any time I needed repairs or parts, a decent mechanic was able to work on it right away. The engine was so straightforward I could even do some work on it myself and body parts (moon hubcaps, side mirror, interior door panel) were available at junk yards and simple to install.

[@CptEddyPrice]

I'm sick of data collecting in EVERYTHING. If I opt out I can't play the game, If I don't want to use a service I can't access the Play Store for apps etc. At this point I think I want to go Medieval... as In minimum or no technology.

[@amatt-x4u]

I'm with you on that. This ish has surpassed being intrusive. It's like you have to sell yourself to have access to services. In England, we have major supermarkets that have an app/loyalty card scheme. Where people that have it, get a cheaper price for some of their groceries. This is another way This greedy corps are data collecting 😤

[@Jakommo]

​ EU in general.. I cant think of a single chain store that doesnt have "club / loyalty" cards.. All "niches"..

[@xxbatflowerxx]

Its 2024 and I'm an aspiring Luddite

[@eds7343]

I dont use the play store to dl my apps.

[@Lilyanna_Foxtrot]

Don't forget subscriptions!!

[@RiveRRatt75]

They will also be able to shut your car down at anytime, block you from leaving a specified area and anything else they feel fit to impose on you. This is way bigger then just privacy.

[@gwensmith6]

Thank you. Glad someone didnt sleep in class.😁

[@gwensmith6]

Dont forget closing banks on SAT. And conviently blocking you from accts by disrupting phone service. Pick up.

[@Fontenotcjf]

...way bigger THAN just privacy.

[@kickazz999]

Taking your pregnant wife across State lines because she's 48yrold with 6 grown kids..tracking is evil

[@gwensmith6]

@@RiveRRatt75 Go to the head of the class. My dad was a war vet,he taught his girls army strategy. They need to pick up.

[@toddhayes3506]

NEVER COMPLY! The Authorities are Corrupt!

[@richboy3860]

So we are ‘paying’ $60k for selling our own data? That’s wild

[@MrScottsivertson]

… sicker yet … lawmakers are trying to make it that all vehicles will be constantly connected and can essentially be “bricked” at the press of a button. “Your will own nothing … and you will be happy"

[@Northwindbreeze]

as long as you dont call it like that then it is not "selling". ;)

[@thebigpicture2032]

Yeah, they add in 10k worth of cameras and computers to spy on you and charge you for it. With interest.

[@rightsdontcomewithpermits7073]

Only insane buy new cars.

[@LimeDude9999]

More like buying the privilege to be sold without your consent.

[@Machtyn]

What I'm frustrated about is that with all these cameras, none of them are owner accessible. Meaning we have to buy a separate dashcam to protect ourselves from insurance scammers and other problems.

[@operacarmen]

Antisemitic comment .. if you want a camera buy one .. but the regime HAS THE RIGHT to monitor people

[@VPannagS]

@@operacarmenhow is that antisemitic commit?

[@Cosmic_Soul]

As an IT professional I knew from day one that my BMW X3 must be sending data to BMW about who’s driving (Driver 1 or 2 or other), passengers in which seats, speed, locations, driving habits, timings, trends and gazillions of other data elements. Buying habits, how many times we go to Costco, when, from where we fill gas, how much, do we wait for empty tank, etc etc etc.

[@operacarmen]

It's anti-Semitic to share such info with commoners

[@sootuckchoong7077]

If the cars are being spied wherever it goes, that means they should be able to trace where your car is if its being stolen!

[@v.i.butterfly4779]

🤔

[@HamiltonFamily2023]

But they say they can't do that . Hmmm, yeah they could if they know everything else

[@DuckieMcduck]

when cars are stolen they aren't "used". they are disassembled in some scrappy place or even in the middle of the road and the parts are then laundered for cash

[@DuckieMcduck]

@@CraigScottFrost that's I meant by "they aren't used" - criminals will basically destroy the car very quickly in one way or another so tracking it isn't that useful

[@rajesh.rajeevan]

no one can invade the thieves privacy !

[@Jabid21]

Owners should have the right to disable the data collection and disable the cellular modem even if it takes away online features.

[@uweschroeder]

@@anonymousperson9279 Well, you have the right, but if you do your warranty is void.

[@jaysmith1408]

@@uweschroederthe warranty on the affected parts at most, and that’s not saying it couldn’t be overturned in court. If you disconnect your data antenna, they could make the case that a radio fault wouldn’t be covered, but a cracked differential is completely unrelated.

[@uweschroeder]

@@jaysmith1408 If you don't get a critical software update because you disconnected your radio, the manufacturer can and will argue that the car went up in flames because of it. First, it's in your contract, second you'd need a lot of money to win something like this against a billion dollar company. Third: those data collection machines are in the interest of the government. How often does the government lose legal cases about things they really want?

[@uweschroeder]

@@anonymousperson9279 I don't see many 60 year old's driving electric cars. Some yes, but I see a lot more young people drive them - because there's an app for that. So it's hardly the impulse control of the old people. In principle I agree and I will buy an engine for my car and put it in my garage before the sale of engines is prohibited... I disagree on the forcing people part. Everyone who wants a car is eventually forced to buy one that collects data. If the sale of ICE vehicles is prohibited by 2035, latest by 2050 almost everyone in the country will drive a vehicle that can be tracked and remote controlled. Sale of ICE parts may be prohibited. California is working on things like that. For example the sale of small engines was banned in California at the beginning of this year. You can continue to use your old equipment until it needs to be replaced. Chances are, parts for said equipment will soon be banned too, so the old stuff phases out quicker. They've done that with numerous things in California, so for example you can't buy denatured alcohol in CA, because there are people who have a alcohol marine stove. Alcohol is a great cleaner for some things and it was sold in the paint aisle for that reason. Apparently it's about air quality - but then CA forces a minimum 10% alcohol addition to gasoline - because it burns cleaner. The irony of that...

[@sionbarzad5371]

@@jaysmith1408 yeaaaaahh....maybe. And who is paying for the legal fees, you? lol Come on now, let's be realistic.

[@Brownwaffles]

Selling data to car insurance companies so they can raise our rates. 😡

[@paull8678]

Years ago, my now ex-wife was rear ended when she stopped for someone turning into a driveway. When she got out, the girl who hit her said that she'd just installed a doohickey from her insurance company, so she didn't want to slam on the brakes for fear of having her rates go up. By the time she realized that my ex wasn't going to accelerate soon enough, it was too late to stop in time on the wet road. There wasn't much damage, but I wonder if her insurance company wouldn't have preferred the hard braking over the repair bill.

[@vWaLLBangz]

@@paull8678that one hard brake event would not been much of anything over the entire recorded data. It’s an average. She’s simply not thinking long term… hence why she ran into a car.

[@myoutuber77]

Insurance companies can set their rates whatever they want to begin with, and they do. You don't have any way to check what a fair rate is because insurance is not a physical product that you can compare. So if your insurance rates go much higher, do you think any company will admit the rates are higher precisely because they have your data which was procured without your knowledge and consent?

[@trekon2023]

​@@myoutuber77huge lack of transparency that needs legislation to show pricing and invoke competition in pricing. They should give a calculator for how many years driving and how many points, what type of car. Why do I need to call and share my info just to get a quote. We should all be able look up our own points and pricing.

[@ms.pirate]

Depending on how good you're driving is 😂

[@chicitizen]

Our automobiles are not ours anymore, cars are now unsecured computers on wheels.

[@leviandhiro3596]

They were never yours buddy. Ever heard about property tax

[@brodriguez11000]

Autonomous vehicles couldn't function otherwise.

[@ImpreccablePony]

So before that they were yours? You need to be licensed to drive it. You need to insure it to drive it. You need to pass inspection, pay taxes, road tolls and buy government-regulated fuel. Only a clown would call this YOURS.

[@thisisntmyrealname]

All the car companies want to be software companies now.

[@geoms6263]

cars are now secured computers on blockchain

[@whatever_12]

With modern car being so high-tech it should be classified in the same category as smartphone in the judicial system

[@BigWalka]

That then would probably give them more jurisdiction tbh

[@marikothecheetah9342]

@@BigWalka it was explained in the video: phones have much more legal restrictions when it comes to data on it, while cars don't have any. So now your phone is better protected than your car.

[@jesusis1459]

If I blink wrong a message appears on the dash "consider taking a break" of course they have a camera pointed on my face😳

[@ko-dd5cp]

That’s horrifying

[@kentalanlee]

The first time my Mercedes did that to me, I pulled off the road to figure out what the heck was going on. Annoying to be sure.

[@BerryBurnstein]

Really a hazard. It's not right. Nothing should be lighting up, popping up, going off and distracting you

[@NondescriptMammal]

How do they even justify having a camera pointed at your face?

[@laestrella9727]

Are you serious?

[@HammerPaired]

When they say “We never sell your personal data”, it doesn’t mean they won’t buy it from others, aggregate it with other data they’ve purchased about you, build a data lake containing your profile, and then share it in exchange for additional data about others.

[@Manager_Mister]

They can trade, lease, borrow, lend, exchange, and other creative words for the same thing. But, it was not sold, like the promised.

[@Choppini]

I purchased around a year ago a fairly new used car. The only phone# I provided was my home phone#, since it simultaneous rings also my cellphone. There was a small pro lem right at the beginning, and I called the sales mgr. from my cellphone, since I was far away from home. I told him NOT to call me on this cell#, and he agreed and did not. BUT: Cold calls from literally EVERYWHERE started harassing me on my cellphone, mainly East Indian people ...🤔. Usually I do not pick up calls from numbers that are not in my contacts, and this cellphone is a pay-as-you-go, only 2 people have this # for emergency.. Any questions? I guess this is self-explanatory

[@boujiebarbie3198]

I feel like everything is against us these days, government, cars, medicines, banks and finance, churches and religion, police protection....I struggle to identify one thing we don't have to protect ourselves against these days.

[@darinherrick9224]

You need to protect yourself against religion???

[@boujiebarbie3198]

@@darinherrick9224 Sort of. The way I meant that was people use religion to guide and misguide us, like to have abortions or not to, for example. Or to feel like we have a right to condemn someone else's sexuality or to justify racial superiority and the taking of lives. Maybe I should've said "we have to defend ourselves against those who feel rights to govern us with religion".

[@uweschroeder]

They're not against you, they're exploiting you.

[@RT-mv7df]

Grow a backbone and tell them you don't consent, refuse to give them your information, & put your foot down. Make a scene. Call your local & state officials and tell them it's absurd & you prefer your freedom over safety & being treated like a kid that the gov't must tax everyone loads of money to put bubble wrap around you & invade your privacy.

[@uweschroeder]

@@RT-mv7df Neither the temper tantrum nor calling your so-called "representative" will make a difference. The government really wants that data collection, so the representative is in on it - after all, there's a good chance he's only a representative because of generous campaign contributions. Has anyone put their foot down when the DMV tells your insurance you were speeding? Yes? I don't think so although that is for example perfectly illegal in Europe. You see, a liability insurance has zero need to know about your moving violations. They only need to know about a covered incident. So in Europe the cops can only tell the insurance when you actually had an accident and the insurance needs to cover it. In the US the insurances get a government kickback in form of the ability to increase your premium for a moving violation. Ironically, the insurance companies make at least 10 times on a moving violation what the government makes. Now think about those campaign contributions again that made that business model a success... and think about cars that can be remote controlled and can be taxed by the mile or by the type of road they move on...

[@social3ngin33rin]

every company is trying to farm data now, it's scary AF

[@chrislanghaug2855]

Consumers must have an option to opt out entirely! This is so wrong...cameras and microphones watching and listening to your personal and sometimes intimate conversations and actions. This BS must stop now!

[@djp1234]

I smell class action lawsuit. Can't wait to get my 32 cents in the mail.

[@alainportant6412]

32 cents ??? what a sick joke

[@AlexNishi-hb2ne]

I remember joining a class action lawsuit and paid almost $3 to fax my form and got a check from the lawsuit of just $1.19 ..I was livid.

[@alainportant6412]

@@AlexNishi-hb2ne apparently the only ones making money in that situation are the jewish law firms

[@v.i.butterfly4779]

🤦🏾‍♀️ikr, because that’s exactly what it is with lawsuits these days 🤷🏾‍♀️

[@VikkiVallencourt]

@@AlexNishi-hb2nethe lawyer/lawyers got millions though 😮

[@cynthiaplakeandersen3151]

This is why your car insurance is going up even though you do not have any accidents.

[@L-pz9dv]

In my state, I suspect this is behind hail, tornadoes, hurricanes, theft & company profits / management compensation, but it is creepy. I've noticed that my van shows school zone speed limits when the zones aren't active. Does the computer record that I'm driving 10 mph too fast and report that to insurers?

[@Arponare]

Yet you still have a lot of people saying that "I have nothing to hide and couldn't care less what companies tracks."

[@danielebrparish4271]

True. We have no record of the dangerous drivers on our roads until they get ticketed. Computers and cameras can eliminate insurance fraud and prove to the court who ran the red light or Stop sign and prove that they caused the rear end collision by brake checking the car behind them. Vehicles exceeding 90 MPH need to be shut down until the police show up and check them for drunk or drugged driving and check the vehicle for illegal substances. I'm sick and tired of these people forcing our insurance rates to go up.

[@OnlyOneTruth25]

@@Arponareoh I’ve seen their driving, they have a lot to hire lol!

[@DirtSweatGears]

Never ever ever ever ever sync your phone to your car. Also never set up a custom profile. Also N E V E R use their subscription service, even if it's free. We're in the future, listen to Doc Brown's advice to Marty McFly "JUST SAY NO" We have a VW ID4 but we never signed up for car net, and the first thing I did was sign and send them the request to opt out of data collection. We also never synced our phones to the car so at least our usage data is anonymous and WE are not paying for the wifi connection. Unfortunately, I tried disabling the cell antenna but it's on the same circuit as the gauge cluster behind the wheel. Support the right to repair, enforce data privacy laws, and make corporations pay when they break the law

[@GraveUypo]

yeah, mostly. but my car has a 3rd party multimedia that's basically an android tablet that i put there myself, so no spying on me.

[@DirtSweatGears]

@@GraveUypo so long as that tablet isn’t connected to the net, you’re good. Google is just as bad as auto makers when it comes to data collection

[@josephraich7907]

So so true......

[@richnorris1061]

Don’t buy a new vehicle , ever . Go with vintage vehicles as it’s been proved keeping a vintage vehicle on the road takes less Johnny polar bear carbon tax lie units than making a new one . Besides there’s not enough 8 year olds to mine the materials And we are running out of Forrest’s to destroy for said mine. Wake up people !

[@GraveUypo]

@@DirtSweatGears google's worse

[@grahamvincent6977]

I'll never forget going into a city centre hairdressing salon in about 1998 for a haircut. They presented me with a form to fill in, with name, address, telephone number, the lot. "No," said I, "This is how hairdressing salons work, in case you don't know: I come in and sit in the chair. Your stylist cuts my hair and holds up a mirror to check I like what he's done. I put my jacket back on, pay you and leave. And, if my friends compliment me on my hairstyle, I'll come back one day." That's how hairdressing salons should work and that's how everything should work. If I want to know where there's a hairdressing salon, I'll ask someone with nice hair.

[@noneed8468]

wtf

[@3DPrintWorldx1c]

🤣🤣🤣

[@mad-meh2719]

It's in case there's an outbreak but all that is too much.

[@kevinsito0801]

Funny, i went into a Sally’s the other day to buy a blade for my clippers and some beard balm and the young girl at the register basically wouldn’t let me buy the products without giving her my name,number,email,home address. I asked what is all that for she replied that the system wont let her in without it i said bull but whatever i just gave her a bunch of false info and she tried to get my license to verify and then an email verification. I was like 🤯 wtf??? I just walked out while she gave me a dirty look. It’s getting ridiculous These days how everywhere u go their asking for your info even to make a simple purchase (with cash)

[@berniecelee5062]

OMG ! Has the marketing gurus tell their business clients all this BS so they can call you back to increase business ??? I would walk OUT ! Everyone wants you to buy a subscription to every thing these days . TIRED of it !! Subscribe to newspaper , gym , TV , movies ….ENOUGH already . We should just UNPLUG for at least ONE DAY a WEEK of every thing ….just go out and walk in nature ..or pick up a hobby or activity that does NOT a use internet , data etc. GO see your grandparents …cook something for them . See your aging parents , take them out for a walk … this iPad tells me that my screen time is down or up from last week …. Really ??? Or you haven’t checked your email ….GEEZ !! SMH 🤦‍♀️ STOP STALKING me !

[@Manuelrive71]

So many times I pay with my credit card and the first ad to see on social media is… you guessed right, the product and store I just went to.

[@rb343]

Just because you signed a consent doesn't make it legal. If you were misled it's illegal

[@disorganizedorg]

I agree in theory, but software licenses that are difficult to access prior to purchase (no refunds once the package seal is broken, of course!) have been held to be valid.

[@arf9347]

Safety concerns are exactly one of the ways many of your freedoms are allowed to be by passed or deleted.

[@publicuser2534]

It all started with 9/11. Scare the crap out of citizens so they mindlessly agree to systems they have little knowledge of.

[@GameChanger32778]

Every time you buy something car, house, apply for loans and so on, the companies sell your information for a profit. This has been going on for generations.

[@jeffb.6642]

Doesn't make it OK

[@ivaylodimitrov2916]

You missed the part when hackers can turn off your engine or accelerate

[@ninjabearpress2574]

There's an episode of NCIS where a naval officer's wife murdered by hacking her car. This isn't science fiction anymore and we need to do something about it NOW, before cars go all HAL-9000.

[@wplants9793]

They said stalkers could

[@BigWalka]

Damn. That’s crazy

[@PeterLawton]

Proof?

[@seanmkinch]

As mechanic I can tell you that YES it is possible in modern cars to control the gas, brakes, and steering with a computer. If it's a digital input it can be controlled digitally. So if your car has power steering fluid or brake fluid you're in the clear, & safe from hackers.

[@esmysyield2023]

Its called a class action lawsuit big enough to bankrupt every damn one of them.

[@Sha-zm5yl]

Exactly. If we start suing then maybe they will stop.

[@Manager_Mister]

You forget, you agreed to arbitration when you bought the car. Read the contracts again.

[@TriggaTreDay]

@@Manager_Mister people go against that all the time. Also most contracts state that if you actually try to take them to court you will have to do it in the stated jurisdiction in the clause. And 9/10 it’s in a state you don’t live in. But other than that you can still sue just to make their lives a living hell. Now, that doesn’t stop them from counter suing. Regardless of what, they will lose big because the issue itself will now be all over the news which only hurts their business in the end.

[@wplants9793]

Maybe if the cars directly impact someone’s life, like when Target tracked when you bought a pregnancy test and then started to send ads in the mail with baby care products, and it tipped off the rest of the people in the house someone was pregnant. And the girl (in this case it was a teenaged girl) felt threatened by the rest of the house knowing she was pregnant, thus the lawsuit

[@Sha-zm5yl]

@@TriggaTreDay Thank you. Start taking them to court because it is getting out of hand.

[@byronp8158]

This is why i like older vehicle. No cameras, no "infotainment" systems.

[@TimothyDevinney]

One of the things that has always amazed me is that when I rent a car there is all this information about prior renters -- their messages, phone calls and so on. They never seem to delete it (nor does the rental company). I have always been diligent in purging the car's memory when I return it.

[@shoechew]

Why would you enter your info into a rental in the first place?

[@dsawyer8]

I bought a newer used Nissan. The previous owners address was still in the GPS unit. Out of curiosity and boredom , I followed it there. And again out of curiosity used the garage door opener and IT WORKED. I closed the door and left kinda freaked out lol.

[@kyliCatherine1]

😮 Wild!

[@munequa81]

Damn!!!

[@AmeliaWolmarans-hm5ic]

😂😂😂😂😂😂🙈🤦🏿‍♀️🙄

[@DonTimmons-kh4dz]

And now you're on fbi's most wanted list

[@almaztech]

You should consider telling them. You know, "I can break into your house " kind of thing. But hella creppy. Lucky my Nissan is from 2006

[@fadedmass1662]

Consumers need to organize and boycott corporations that profit from spying.

[@Slickpete83]

💡 *someone should start a company that disconnects your car with after market equipment*

[@akwankusala966]

I believe if someone actually does, bigger company already killed that small company before it sees the light of day. Have you ever heard of the invention of more reliable, efficient, and much affordable source of energy than gasoline ? or maybe cars that runs efficiently with water ?? exactly !

[@justamom4902]

YES!!! That's a billion dollar idea!!! Because I bet, most people would be calling to make an appointment to get that tracking stuff off of their vehicles. I know I would.

[@Ken_Weber_organist]

YES!!!!!!

[@Ken_Weber_organist]

the only thing that might be a 'gotcha' is doing so could void manufacturer's warantees, but then again there are after market car warantee providers (usually provide warantees extensions when mfr warantee term expires) who could step in

[@Slickpete83]

@@justamom4902 *and there would be an option to have a built in OBD2 scanner software on your main screen to scan for any engine codes so mechanics can't rip you off*

[@Whateva67]

It’s all too much. A car is just there to get you from A to B,go to work or school or for a Sunday drive. There’s no way they need to be so complicated and intrusive.

[@Wydsbdjwu18393]

People asked for this, you can’t have convenience without giving something

[@Jaspovideos]

"It's all too much" should be America's national motto.

[@Drago-fc3zl]

​@@Wydsbdjwu18393 you can have both, the reason you don't is because it is profitable and there's no regulation.

[@drekelley2352]

You don't need accelerater pedals, Motors on the calipers,bcm, and an engine shut off when you stop at light. All unnecessary, cars been working fine a hundred years before all that crap. They just coming up with reasons why cars cost so much. They build a regular car 8 grand but choose not to.

[@3089280288]

​@@Wydsbdjwu18393What people?

[@lgr2013]

This Murt Stop. We need lawyers on this subject

[@yukie_tn]

Well this makes me glad I'm still driving a 20+ year old car that doesn't have any digital features...

[@Joe-Przybranowski]

Me too. New card beep to gd much!

[@crystalcampbell7527]

Same!!! Lol my car is a 04 Toyota Camry lol

[@Yusuf-fh5tr]

Same here 1999 Toyota

[@ArtHistoryNstuff332]

Same! 03 Jeep TJ, the only electronics are an AM/FM radio and the ignition.

[@kellyclark7517]

89 Saab 900 here👍🏾

[@QBDLettuce]

Authoritarianism has been seeping in under the guise of "safety" for a decade now. At a slow enough rate that the average person didn't notice, and anyone waving the red flag about this has been labelled "conspiracy theorist". As we've all seen, "conspiracy theorist" just means you've figured it out before the average person has, which when they do, is often too late.

[@ashxc]

A decade? Oh, you sweet summer child.

[@chitownkid7417]

I'd say at least since 9/11. That's when all citizens were more than willing to give up privacy rights due to fear of a terrorist attack. It's why people are so scared of everything in this country. The government keeps instilling that fear, and we keep giving up certain freedoms slowly but surely. Of course, they pass it off as "doing it for our safety"

[@_Rachel_Hiller_]

Connected cars are the danger here. I’m relieved I don’t have one and now I know to avoid them.

[@RealSerie26]

My 2009 Accord doesn't even have a backup camera let alone cell connectivity. It's still going strong as hell too.

[@johnnytran800]

Theyre still tracking you on your phone.

[@VinceroAlpha]

@@johnnytran800what if they have a basic phone that’s not a smart phone?😂

[@johnnytran800]

@@VinceroAlpha if they could still get to their destination without gps, sure.

[@VinceroAlpha]

@@johnnytran800 you make it sound like it’s mind boggling, people still do that with paper maps as well. I’m not being snarky, just pointing out the fact that people do that more often than you would think.

[@meanderingmyrrkat8798]

2007 honda crv...loving no bs tech...it means I can't be a lazy driver...

[@tfinvold]

When I got my truck due to EMF sensitivity I couldn't drive it so I pulled the fuse on the wireless broadcasting unit then used a trifield EMF meter to verify the RF signal was gone and the wireless signal was gone via the headunit. Everyone should be figuring out how to pull the fuse on their vehicle's LTE transmitter as a big FU to the corporate vehicle manufacturers selling your data to insurance providers, seriously what a racket!

[@nuggert]

What are you going to do when you realize that the alternator in your truck is a wild electromagnet pumping EMF into and around the truck? The thing that is charging and powering the vehicle lets out way more than the stupid transmitter could ever dream of 😂

[@radutron]

I heard a great point when it comes to stuff like this and people not caring: "If you have nothing to hide, then take your clothes off."

[@brandan7761]

This is disgusting. This needs to stop. We have a right to privacy

[@emilyfeagin2673]

Not according to the Supreme Court When they overturned Roe, you also lost your right to privacy

[@deoodolecki2979]

Not anymore. You gave it up for a better cell phone decades ago!!!

[@Rustyhandle]

Not any more

[@laurencequery9103]

we don't have rights. they're imaginary, like the boogeyman

[@swampfox1732]

@@emilyfeagin2673 🤡

[@T.Harry79]

Too many people are extremely self-important and lazy to realize they’re trading their own freedoms for instant gratification. All these gadgets may appear cool AF, but always look for the fine print underneath the hood.

[@marikothecheetah9342]

All these gadgets scare me as hell, and I don't even drive a car. There is no way I am sitting in the car that gets my freaking DNA. :/

[@kikiday5250]

This makes me happy that i still drive my older car. I dont have all this tech in my car, and i block my cameras on my phone. Our data is worth more then our life to them.

[@JJVernig]

To be fair: When I e-mailed BMW after they changed their privacy notice, they called back within a day, took the time to explain what they logged from my vehicle and told me how to turn it off, and offered to remove all the data they already had on their systems. They are bound by the GDPR in our country and are a German company, a country which is renowned about security and privacy but this kind of reaction I didn't expect. I don't know how they react in North America or another country with a more lax legislation for privacy...

[@ericeandco]

The point is they shouldn’t be collecting your information in the first place.

[@JJVernig]

@@ericeandco True, but I didn't say I like what they are doing. I do think that cars, phones, televisions and other electronics should never collect any data especially personalized. They all do, and this one is usable and is willing to forgo that information it may be mentioned. I get angry that all my escapades are recorded somewhere in a big database, waiting to snatched up by a big insurance company or the state knowing which infringement I may or may not have done..

[@Hans-gb4mv]

@@ericeandco that's a far too simplistic statement imho. It all depends on what data they collect and what they use it for.

[@Area51-is6vg]

I believe YOU. You should thank your country leaders. I think Facebook and google operated under German local laws over there. If you are renting a car do NOT use USB cable and connect your smart phone to charge it in the rental car. Do NOT connect your smart phone to anything inside a rental car or your car or a friend car or work car or any car. I know my smart phone has access to my bank account. I use my smart phone to pay my rent.

[@BayuAH]

Area51: Or just use data blocking USB dongle if you really needs charging your phone in the car.

[@4r5tgrftgrtrftgrhbet]

We need to be able to opt out.

[@Hans-gb4mv]

you can in most cars, but don't complain that you are missing out on functionality.

[@redacted629]

Incorrect. We need to be able to opt-in. Otherwise complacency will equal compliance.

[@patr10t762]

Buy an older car. I will not own cars newer than 2009. "But your phone blah blah blah" de-googled open source.

[@tw8464]

Privacy needs to be the default. And if the corporations want our valuable private property our data they are required by law to pay us for it instead of stealing food out of our kids mouths no different than a car jacker

[@lyianx]

Not opt-out. it needs to be Opt-IN.

[@circle11111]

Yet people are worried over walkable neighborhoods. 🙄

[@MrStark-up6fi]

At least that would allow us to secure our freedom and walk instead of needing to have a surveillance car

[@thanosianthemadtitanic]

NEVER put the OBD port plugs that insurable companies entice you with in your car. There just track your driving habits to sell to LexisNexus and price fix your rates.

[@mgscheib]

Insurance companies don’t need those devices anymore. The automobile companies sell your data to LexisNexus who then sells the data to insurance companies. My insurance doubled over the last two years. The only that changed was enabling the ford pass app for my vehicle.

[@Jabid21]

@@asterixky and those collect even more data on you. Those old obd devices didn’t have gps so they couldn’t track where you went. With apps, you need to allow permission to access everything and they can track everything you do and everywhere you go even when not driving.

[@puddingistastyapples]

you just plug the obd reader into a simulated car ecu on a bench drives 25mph forever very safe so i get cheap insurance

[@Thunder_Dome45]

But the discounts.

[@johnc2438]

Where is "there"?

[@Shambles7698]

Car in general don't need all of software that complicated and complex it only need reliable and simplicity software . My 2010 Toyota is still running strong despite ageing but it's resale value will never down badly

[@alb12345672]

My 2011 Lexus has connection to the cell networks, BUT it is 3G and aged out. You press a button and it would connect to a call center. Probably limited in what it could track though (certainly location from the Nav system).

[@curiousfirely]

Same here! I'm keeping my 2010 Toyota until it literally falls apart.

[@alb12345672]

@@curiousfirely My 11 Lexus is a GS. It has AWD. It is not really a Camry, it is more like a toyota truck in a sedan (same trans as a Tundra). Hard to get rid of a car like that. Has no bad reviews anywhere for problems. Maybe a compliant about the maps :lol:

[@morgfarm1]

@Oldasianguy what they're saying is, those exact features are exactly the targets. It's easier to steal such a vehicle with remote start/stop and a passive key fob than it is to steal a car with a mechanical lock type ignition. That's been proven a few times. I've driven some latemodel cars as rentals, and briefly owned a 2017 Ford. They are quite comfortable to drive, I won't deny that, but 1) reliability in MOST brands is not that good. While still some of the best, Toyota and Honda are even starting to slip in some categories. Ford, GM and Stellantis are among the worst. Tesla is glaring in terms of poor security at this point. Cars DO need computer systems in order to operate correctly and within specification now, there is no getting around that, in terms of meeting fuel economy standards. I can even understand the Telematics systems with respect to emergency responses and vehicle maintenance and diagnostics, but there's no reason whatsoever a car should be intercepting and communicating back to ANY server any information about me personally, anywhere. All it needs is my name, birth month and year, and current location. However, the means with which these additional features are implemented are weak points and are easily exploited. All one has to do is find a vulnerability and go nuts. And this is just the perspective of theft prevention - I can buy a $40 piece of technology, stand close enough to your key fob to sniff its signal, wait for you to initiate the lock, unlock and start/stop commands, bookmark those inputs as I intercept them with that $40 piece of technology, and while you are away shopping, asleep, or what have you, repeat the unlock and start/stop commands, and there goes your brand new vehicle - All I have to do now is go over to the dealership, spend $400 on a new key fob, and I can drive the car freely until it's reported stolen - at that point, it's probably half way across the state on the way to a chop shop, or other illicit facility to do all that's possible to conceal the fact the vehicle is stolen. (Doing this correctly is INSANELY tough, Yes, one can remake and replace the VIN tags on the vehicle, but the real challenge comes with re-doing all of the computer modules to reflect the "new" VIN so that it can't be found out later, but I digress) I've got a 2004 Ford Focus and it's only got less than 10 computers across the whole thing. one for the ECU, the Body Control Module (which itself is not very intelligent), a General Electronics Module, PATS Module (Passive Anti-Theft), and, the instrument panel cluster, which barely has a module at all. It is electronic, though and.. actually that might be all. The car doesn't have ABS, so No ABS Control module or ABS Pump, no Cruise control, so No Cruise Control Module, no traction control, as a result of not having ABS (TC and ABS frequently work off the ABS system), and it was built well before any electronic power steering, lane keep assists, or blind spot systems existed, so also discount the Electronic Steering Module and Safety Modules. The FOB that it has for keyless entry is a very short range setup - still vulnerable to the sniffing attack I mentioned before, but it's so weak you'd be pretty obvious to most at that point, but it still has a key with PATS on board, which was far and away more challenging to bypass than modern FOBs. (yes, still can be done, but it was a huge deterrent).

[@tonyhaynes9080]

I drive a 2010 Citroen C4 Grand Picasso. 158000 miles on the clock. Cheap to run, cheap to maintain, comfortable and reliable. My local garage can work on it without having any problems. What more do I need? Plus it’s great for putting gold diggers off.

[@boomeradley8748]

Not to mention this actually makes so many drivers WORSE on the road.

[@higgdynamics]

My 97 sedan doesn't spy on me. I do feel kinda old, though, since I've never used a car with a backup camera and I was floored when y'all said they're mandatory. I employ ancient technology of turning around or sticking my head out the window.

[@aliannarodriguez1581]

That works on an older car, but new cars have their rear ends so high in the air that most of your view is obscured by the trunk.

[@Joe-Przybranowski]

Same. I had no idea back up cameras were mandatory now. Never driven a car with one, don't see why I'd need it.

[@harrygatto]

There are plenty of cheap backup cameras available which don't connect to anything external to your car.

[@5610winston]

Shopping for a Studebaker.

[@JackieBea]

Recently purchased a Honda Civic Hatchback. Prior, I had a 97 hatchback. Everything was manual and of course no built in GPS etc. I’ve been enjoying the car play in my new car, mainly GPS and making calls, but now, I’m not so sure. If I wanted I could not connect my phone and just use my phone as I used to when driving…I’d put it on speaker and put it on the dash board.

[@GTaichou]

When a friend came to visit, his rental car still had data from several previous renters' phones stored in the car's console. Lucky for these strangers, I took the time to delete it for them. While we may not have top-down protection of our data privacy, there are small things we can do to help each other.

[@iam1smiley1]

Rental companies are supposed to erase that data but who trusts that???

[@Choppini]

You should go and rent a car... What I experienced were people who worked for minimum wage, had to do the office job/contracts, oayments, checking the cars for damage and if cleaned and gas filled up, and had to do "in their spare time" to ckean/vacuum the vehicles, clean the windows. They don't care about your data

[@alicearcturus8610]

Wow! I have lost faith in humanity. Then there is you. Thanks. You made my day.

[@MattSoverns]

I just bought a 1997 Subaru Outback for $2,900 from a private middle-class seller. I immediately paid a working class mechanic over $10,000 to fix literally everything under the hood. I then paid a working class paint repair company $2,000 to fix up all the body work. I now have a reliable, unique car that is more fun to drive, looks great, gets good gas mileage, a cassette player, and doesn't even track my seatbelt 😂 for under $15,000... I simultaneously put money in the hands of average Americans instead of multinational corporations. I saved up the money prior to doing it. So, no debt. What's the downside? IIHS Safety rating?

[@SnackQueen01]

How many miles does it have ?

[@DaKrawnik]

Wait til things get out of hand before doing something about it. Rinse and repeat...

[@rickyal9810]

Who says anything will be done about it? Nothing happens with anything else, folks just keep buying it.

[@uweschroeder]

Nobody will do anything about it. The government loves a transparent and remote controllable peasant.

[@Candlelight738]

@@rickyal9810They don’t have much options though. Yes an older card but is it worth it and well?

[@lyianx]

Same is happening with Right to Repair Same is going to happen with AI

[@BigWalka]

@@lyianxmost definitely

[@BLACKAAROW]

I wish someone would invent a device that plugs into the OBD port that can completely encrypt your cars and prevent data from being recorded and can also be used to bypass restrictions like features that require subscription to work

[@IQwerty007]

I will gladly pay for that

[@idib1739]

@@IQwerty007 same

[@danielabbey7726]

Yep, I had the same thought. Sounds like a great project for Hackaday!

[@kenbob1071]

Might I suggest riding a bicycle instead?

[@Brennen_Nisporic]

We should have the right to just turn off those data sharing settings.

[@enigmaticloremaster1700]

It's called freedom, they do it because they can. We live in a free world where they surveil us track us monitor our communications and what we consume, you know the normal things associated with freedom.

[@cryptowire]

Everything’s spying on us all the time, Ex: Your phone sits on the table, you’re having a normal conversation, The moment you pick your phone up, You are greeted with a notification about something you mentioned during said conversation 🤦🏽🧐🧐

[@jpowers7529]

i been saying since smartphones been out and getting better tech . I dont know why people are tripping . they should play game watch dogs on ps4. just saying lol

[@smellyfeetarestinky]

The difference is your car sells your info to your insurance company$$$

[@BayuAH]

That's why I put a sticker to my phone front camera, so it won't record my eating cheese face without my explicit consent.

[@SparkyOne549]

I turn off WiFi and Bluetooth when I’m not using my phone and tablet. I do that before any conversation with someone.

[@BayuAH]

@@SparkyOne549 Offline recording is still a thing. Even without network access, as long as you are facing camera, it still can capture your face.

[@7891ph]

Suddenly, my 2000 GMC is looking even better than it did before seeing this. No OnStar, no satalight anything including GPS.

[@dancingpixie6120]

I just bought a brand new car. Will not be using any of the “infotainment “ crap. I shut the phone off when I leave the house & turn it on when I return. Car will only be connected if I connect it. I don’t use any of it. I have a Garmin GPS that doesn’t use cell towers. Location is off when phone is on. TOUCHSCREENS DO NOT BELONG IN A VEHICLE!!

[@DK-sc4gn]

Law enforcement should need to get a warrant or wire tap authorization before getting any information!!!

[@creepingcharly]

I was able to make my car dumb again by pulling the fuse for the telematics module in my Ford Maverick. It's been over 6 months and I haven't noticed any negative consequences aside from the app not working anymore (which is kind of the point). If I want to sell it later I can just pop the fuse in again and viola, everything is back to stock. If you have a smart car and are concerned about privacy it might be worth your time to dig around online and see if you have that option as well.

[@rb343]

These cars aren't that smart, if they were Teslas would be able to extinguish their own fire! 🤣

[@drivingdaily582]

Nice!

[@rollipolioli]

Great job 💪

[@iam1smiley1]

Yes, it may work for now. I also remembered when we could remove the battery in our cellphones.

[@surewhatever8843]

Thank you.

[@MissAynneK]

I’m already not interested in buying a “smart” car at alllll. But when they started talking about how these companies will start advertising directly to me, my head nearly exploded. Every single thing has a damn ad inserted into it and it’s EXHAUSTING! Absolutely will not be getting anything but an old junker 🚗

[@DeKKH]

So what I’m hearing here is that I spent $32,000 on a giant snitch 🙄

[@DharylAuguste]

Wake up babe new dystopian anxious thoughts just dropped

[@DesertDog]

Patch 20.24 has all of the new stuff 🎉

[@matthewjacobs5507]

This is why I refuse to purchase a car built after 2000.

[@danielebrparish4271]

It's called an Event Data Recorder and they have been used since 1975. Unfortunately most police departments don't know about them. If you are involved in a serious accident ask the police to have the vehicle that hit you towed to a car dealership to have the data downloaded for your use.

[@primeholyassasin20]

I’m not against technology in cars, I appreciate features like apple car play, radar cruise control, parking sensors and parking cameras, but I think a line needs to be drawn that protects our privacy in the process.

[@agisler87]

Why does our privacy need protection? What is wrong with these manufacturers collecting these data points?

[@Sanginius23]

my bike doesn't spy on me

[@DesertDog]

Yet

[@makb5354]

But the phone in your pocket while you riding your bike is 😂

[@patr10t762]

@@makb5354 Not my open source de-googled android.

[@Sanginius23]

@@makb5354 sad and true....

[@VinceroAlpha]

@@Sanginius23then don’t carry your phone or turn your phone off 😂

[@Servant_Of_Yeshua_HaMashiach]

Thank you for sharing this video with the world!!🌎

[@thom6621]

I drive an old 4runner. It has a computer in it, but it only controls essential engine, electrical, and timing functions. I have never had a problem with it. No check engine light for anything other than oil/fluids change. It is reliable, simple, and costs 1/10th of a new car. It has no dumb extra features that might just cause trouble down the road. The only way my data is collected is if I plug a chip into it and consent. I absolutely love my car because of all the above. I’ll clean it, maintain it, restore it if I have to, and drive it to the ground. Why not buy a new 4runner or car when I’m financially comfortable? Because I can’t fathom spending over 40k on the pieces of trash factories are now pumping out. They all have issues, are too complex, and go against basic engineering principles. Short & simple: Most Auto-manufacturers have entirely lost sight of their audience. Try telling that to an executive or anyone in design & engineering. They just let the market constrain their thinking

[@IQwerty007]

Very true. Cars were so much more reliable with basic technology and mechanical engineering. Every vehicle after 2005 is a hard pass for me..

[@STREETRACEN4U]

you are 100% correct about the "quality" of new vehicles. i used to work at the GM plant building tahoes, suburbans and escalades some of those trucks sell for 200k over seas and let me tell you something i can dis-assemble that entire truck in about an hour in a parking lot with basic hand tools. most of the truck is snapped together and held by clips or rivits that you can pull apart with your bare hands.100- 200k on plastic! they told us "as long as it LOOKS good to the customer thats all we care about" and there are so many useless holes in the frame and body that lead to nothing that only will 100% trap moisture and dirt and eventually make it corrode which is by design. some holes lead straight directly to under the carpet but you would never know unless you worked there and seen it before the frame was put on We built between 1200-1500 trucks per day with all 3 shifts combined and i only got paid $445 per week! after helping building them 500 trucks per shift. and to top it off the dangerous work conditions there was literally like 1000 ways to die you never know if your foot will get caught in a conveyor belt and cut off. will an escalade fall on you, or get run over by a forklift i quit that job. they also had a very tow happy company that managed the parking lots and would literally tow your car for not driving a GM vehicle to work or if the parking lot was full but you "found a space" anyways. and no i am not kidding. imagine slaving for a company on a 8 hour shift building trucks at a rabbits pace with minimum breaks and you come outside and your car is gone it happened every single day to at least 12 people. corporations are evil and they told us this many times during the meetings "this corporation has no heart it only cares about its best interests" . I didn't mean to go on a rant here but i just share this info anywhere i can to let people know some behind the scenes from a former factory worker i'm glad i quit them i just woke up one day and said "I'm not doing this anymore" and felt so relieved after i did, and this aint even half of it we could be here all day I dont even think youtube would allow a comment that long

[@elmoreglidingclub3030]

If this is true, law enforcement should have a 100% recovery rate for stolen cars. No excuses.

[@person880]

The average person is so tech-illiterate that they are constantly allowing this problem to continue. Most people never bother to change their default settings, properties, or options in the software that they use, they do not care about sharing anything from their private lives online, they don't ever change any privacy settings, they will connect their phones to anything they can, etc. It's infuriating that the average person simply does not care, and as a result, our products continue to get worse like this.

[@karakask5488]

I guess I am once again glad my car is old af

[@karenblackwood5883]

That's disgusting, thanks for letting us know

[@bodavidson2804]

This is why I drive a clunking old LandCruiser without a single computer in it. Also, I'm poor

[@bwofficial1776]

Land Cruisers aren't cheap to buy, even used.

[@ilhamrj2599]

okay, no… with the gas mileage of a Land Cruiser itself… you have no right to label yourself “poor”😂😂😂

[@bodavidson2804]

@@bwofficial1776 not now, that's true. Bought mine in 2011

[@bodavidson2804]

@@ilhamrj2599 I run it on a biofuel blend. Very cheap. But yes, by global standards I'm not exactly a poverty case

[@manderfeldnet]

Dan even they run on computers... EMC

[@Deadmeme64]

I've never been happier to drive a 2001 Honda

[@SeemoreDunkan]

3:40 why?!? I have a rear facing camera and it rarely helps, just confuses me and I turn to the mirrors when reversing

[@SickPrid3]

NEVER CONNECT YOUR PHONE TO THE CAR! It can download ALL of your data and pass it along. Even more fkd up is that the car manufacturer can claim it;s THEIR data now and do whatever they want with it READ THE PRIVACY PART WHEN BUYING A NEW CAR

[@SpencerCokely]

Tesla is the most invasive, Big-Brother car company in the history of automobiles… kind of ironic.

[@thanosianthemadtitanic]

tesla was nevwr even a car company. There a data company that sells cars as a side hustle

[@billjohnson9221]

All personal data is kept in the vehicle unless otherwise agreed to.

[@SpencerCokely]

@@billjohnson9221 Mozilla Foundation found Tesla’s privacy and security practices were substandard across literally all metrics.

[@SpencerCokely]

@@billjohnson9221 there’s already a massive middle market for Tesla user data. Tesla sells car data (‘anonymized!’, whatever that’s worth) to middle market data vendors who then contract with insurance companies.

[@Morcap]

@@billjohnson9221 You can't be that level of moron. Tesla sells data by the second is rendered. Just ask.. Tesla what they actually do with the data collected during the entire ownership of the vehicle; they can't not answer (it is illegal for them not to answer) but who asks? Instead people just tell themselves stories that makes themselves feel good...

[@1superpapa]

Now you know how every single over the road truck driver feels in the United States now imagine that stuff inside your bedroom as well.

[@abigailhowes5944]

I hate this era and I don't know if it's just the US. I know in the UK alot of this of stuff is not allowed, if I am correct. I hate the invasion of privacy, constant advertising. There is constant advertising on TV, which you pay for now (cable) and the prices keep going up, It is on your computer, tablet and I just got a new cell phone. I go to make a call, there is a damned advertisement. And now your car can spy on you. They have brass you know what. Congress needs to get in gear and make this stuff illegal and put their thumbs on these big businesses. Why isn't Congress doing something more about this? I would never buy a new car with Internet in it. Once I buy a product, it is mine, and they have no business invading our privacy.

[@alexallegood1040]

Congress isn’t there to help you

[@arcanondrum6543]

I get tired of people who just "blame Gubment" or when they claim that "Voting doesn't matter, both parties are the same.". One look at the Supreme Court proves that both parties are NOT the same. Pay close attention to who is and who is not on your side in politics. Pay more attention to details (for instance; the United Kingdom is NOT better, the UK has cameras everywhere in public and private spaces and they engage in face recognition systems, despite proof that those systems are unreliable). Get informed and make informed decisions.

[@abigailhowes5944]

Thanks Arccinundrum, I didn't think of that. I was pointing out the advertising. It's my bad that I forgot they have cameras everywhere. I see the only place to live is some kind of cave...lol! Oh, yes, I very aware of the difference between political parties. The Republicans are backing a convicted felon (34 counts). And he has a bunch more indictments. What is weird is when I was a kid I lived in a third world country and it was peaceful and people were kind, and happy. They lived off the land, fishing, and growing their own vegatable crops. They did import grains, canned and, processed foods like spam, corn beef etc. We had no grrid, indoor plumbing, or dug wells. We used rainwater collection systems and hand pumps. We were not inundated with constant advertising and people peering into our lives with cameras. It was far from perfect and there were problems, just as anywhere. Sadly countries that are third world today harbor violence, anger, piracy, and terrorism. It's not the same. In the industrialized counties they control you through big businesses with continual horranging us with advertising, weird laws, and supporting campaigns of very disreputable candidates (like Trump), and ballot initiatives that support what is against us but for them. Billions and billions are dumped into this.

[@Sonomacats]

Have you contacted your Congressional Representative about this? What are YOU doing about this? You can't expect them to do something when you aren't bringing it to their attention and making a big deal about it.

[@agisler87]

​@@abigailhowes5944and supporting disreputable candidates like Biden. What was trump convinced of? I guarantee you don't know. This idea that corporations are controlling you is just ridiculous and implied people are too dumb or funny autonomy.

[@kk4649k]

Insurance companies do it too. I recently switched to Allstate since their home insurance + auto bundle policy is cheaper than State Farm’s here at Hawaii. Their app has an option to monitor your driving. It said if you drive without erratic behavior like braking suddenly , speeding , etc it’ll lower your premium. Yeah I def optd out of that. Too much info

[@JC-ft4ri]

And I bet they all silently raised premiums to offer discount, pricing it back to what it used to be prior using the monitoring service.

[@wendygore2709]

Just another reason I am so grateful to have a 20 yr old car 🚗

[@AMERICANPATRIOT1945]

Much of this corporate spying is a clear violation of the Federal Wiretapping Act and subsequent privacy legislation. The exceptions claimed by the auto makers are completely bogus.

[@thihal123]

I do not want any connected car.

[@Cosmic_Soul]

Of course, as an IT specialist I know exactly what data is being collected by BMW from my X3. Idle hours, all travel routes, driving habits, timings, number of passengers, shopping habits, restaurants, hospitals, cities visited, & much more. Still the luxury car sales are declining. Stellantis & Aston Martin sales are down. Soon to be followed by BMW, Benz, Jaguars, Porsche, etc etc.

[@malachi-]

it's not just the manufacturers, there are hundreds of places under them that feed off you, too, an industry in itself.

[@Manager_Mister]

Your phone is spying all the time. How many of you actually spent the hours searching your phone to opt out of features. I have spent hours doing this. I still find more hidden in obscure places and others that turn back on.

[@vicwiseman6038]

I opted out by calling Toyota and having them disconnect the internet from my car. The car is no longer connected to the internet.

[@CanVultus]

It’s no longer “officially” connected. They are still tracking you.

[@disorganizedorg]

I wouldn't believe them unless they swear to it under oath. Maybe not even then.

[@JeepNut-rq5fb]

prove it

[@TheDWIChannel]

Also consider the cost of not driving, to protect your privacy. The harassment starts with plowing snow onto sidewalks to make way for persons in cars, persons who matter. They repave streets without sidewalks and erect traffic lights without crosswalk lights, and build superhighways that form a barrier to foot traffic and bicycles. . Let's see now, there's a job, but the buses don't go there. There's another job, but the buses don't start that early. When you finally manage to earn a paycheck without owning a car, that bank is closed, but the drive-up window is still open, for persons in cars, persons who matter. Then they divide the city into residential and business districts, preventing folks from living closer to working, shopping and drinking. Got forbid somebody should WALK home after having a drink or ten.

[@ccc822007]

Sounds like a class action lawsuit needs to take place to make these companies understand how important privacy is.

[@steelwhisperer]

my 93 Benz is my last car. the Becker cassette player still works great

[@claytalbert1966]

Another reason I'm glad to be a pedestrian

[@MrStark-up6fi]

Another reason I’m glad to be living outside the U.S. where I have access to top-tier public transport

[@Antedysomnea]

This has been happening for at least a decade now... it's surprising how long it took for people to care (and most people still don't).

[@jeffb.6642]

We've been fattened up to accept it as part of the convenience that comes with "living online".

[@bigjd2k]

Just outright ban the collection, sharing and selling of ANY data, on any device. Unless you explicitly allow it. You should be able to completely opt out of all of it if you like, and the default should be “OFF”.