How Removing Cobalt From Batteries Can Make EVs Cheaper

[@dennybrows9916]

Many people may look past this but I want to point out how quality this documentary is. Genuinely

[@hermeslein6614]

America is declining and falling China lead number one

[@buildmotosykletist1987]

@@hermeslein6614 : The CCP is unfortunately intent on collapsing China's economy most due to the corruption but also through foreign relations. You can't threaten to drop a nuclear bomb on Japan for instance and expect them to continue trading with you. They move their manufacture rapidly from China to elsewhere.

[@heinrichhimmler3781]

@@buildmotosykletist1987 I Have Hear This For 20 Years since 2000 Dont be like Gordon Chang

[@buildmotosykletist1987]

@@heinrichhimmler3781 : Don't be a CCP troll. Tuidang.

[@heinrichhimmler3781]

@@buildmotosykletist1987 gordon chang 2.0

[@pinkelephants1421]

A great deal is made of cobalt inclusion in lithium ion battery packs but you almost NEVER hear about the monumental amount of cobalt used in oil refining to remove sulphur or in the manufacture of stainless steel & other industrial processes. And conveniently, journalists in particular, have no problem with omitting the fact that our mobile phones, laptops, tablets & many other devices have far more cobalt percentage wise, in their batteries than those used in EV's & you 'certainly' never hear any criticisms about its inclusion in (those) products in relation to human rights abuses or child labour. To be clear, whilst child labour is unfortunately used to mine cobalt in the Congo, it only amounts to about 0•04% of all cobalt mined according to Amnesty International.

[@Freshbott2]

Those criticisms have been around for a long time especially relating to Apple and Samsung’s supply chains

[@aduad]

Even if child labour is low, the amount of humanitarian abuse in the Congo is through the roof...from unsafe mines to heavy metal poisoning to low wages etc etc...it's just awful quite frankly.

[@harryjessen]

@@aduad but all of the western countries want to keep the African countries poor. If they start to get rich, there will be many products that we cannot afford.

[@MGZetta]

Good point, however, it does not mean we should shut up, it means we should be talking about it even more.

[@Freshbott2]

@@harryjessen that’s not true at all. The most efficient resource producers in the world are Australian and Canadian, far richer than 99% of Europe. Australia output the cheapest iron ever while demand was the highest ever. Some of the mines are even operated by European companies. If Africans get rich and build out infrastructure and automation prices will fall there too. If Europe doesn’t get involved in making Africa rich then China will secure resources for themselves, which will cause issues for Europe while not even making Africa rich. It’s in Europe’s interest to solve this

[@benjaminnead8557]

Very good article, CNBC. This is the sort of information that I usually expect to find on specialty web sites that cater to clean energy topics exclusively. Thanks for not dumbing it down to appease to a so-call mainstream audience.

[@nightlightabcd]

Or much worse yet, the treason supporting fascist media!

[@jomo4435]

@@nightlightabcd learn to filter your information haha your not a drone

[@RNA0ROGER]

No mention however of 4680 which is a cobalt free functional battery

[@benjaminnead8557]

4680 is a cell form factor (rolled cylindrical, 46mm diameter X 80mm long) that can accommodate many different chemical formulations, with or without cobalt.

[@RNA0ROGER]

@@benjaminnead8557 The version planned is designed with zero cobalt in mind. With high nickle and silicon, rendering cobalt obsolete.

[@CHL41993]

China did bet on both side. They control the most cobalt mines and refineries, and also the largest producer of cobalt-free batteries...

[@Neojhun]

Not just bet on both sides but consume all they can make.

[@Avantime]

Phones and laptop batteries still use cobalt, and it will continue for quite a while yet.

[@noahway13]

That is why we don't take a harder stance with China on many issues. They could really screw up our lifestyle on many fronts.

[@MotorCityPhoenix313]

It amazing how far behind America has fallen. Just completely stupid and short sighted decision making for decades.

[@noahway13]

@@MotorCityPhoenix313 Too bad that you are not in charge.

[@prombo6]

I got my Tesla 2 months ago, and it uses Chinese LFP (cobalt-free) cells, assembled and delivered in America.

[@Professor-Scientist]

Don't need a comma before 'and'

[@solidfuel0]

@@Professor-Scientist happy, to see that grammar natzi still exists

[@zee9276]

@@Professor-Scientist oh, ok

[@kingatowning]

@@Professor-Scientist Oxford comma

[@LSnium]

Did I ask?

[@delicious619]

CNBC has impressed me with their online videos on many topics like these. Great job!

[@roberthicks1612]

yea its impressive how much bs they can manufacture. I am sure their masters in china are happy with them.

[@xexas3000]

Can we spot the light on the cobalt being used to refine gasoline?

[@davidbeppler3032]

No.

[@yodab.at1746]

Oil industry says how does being defunded feel? Murdoch rubs his greasy hands.

[@johnwang9914]

Although it's true that cobalt oxide is a useful catalyst in our refineries, it is a catalyst and is not consumed. As a catalyst within a refinery, it's far more likely to be remanufactured and reused rather than likely disposed of when used in batteries. Also iron oxide can often be used instead of cobalt oxide for most of these processes and likewise with batteries formulations that use iron instead already exists, it's just that only China can currently use lithium iron phosphate batteries without paying royalties so long as they are only sold in China but the patent runs out in 2022.

[@irkiIIer]

@@davidbeppler3032 based

[@dusty-vo8gh]

@@johnwang9914lithium batteries are being recycled.

[@Sunnytimtim]

Good job CNBC.. It’s one of the best informative documentary

[@oxide9717]

Remember the majority of Cobalt mined is actually not used in battery production. Its used as a catalyst to clean up petrochemical fuels, where its consumed forever, meaning more needs mined. But what is used in batteries can be recovered when recycling them. You don't watch one youtube video and think you know everything about a topic

[@4literv6]

Plus it's used in metallurgy don't see anyone complaining about that though. Thank you also for mentioning the fossil fuel industry's consumption of it. 😏

[@rab5193]

Yes you are correct. I would to add one more thing, the cobalt used in refining petroleum products are non recyclable and it is discarded in the atmosphere

[@johnl.7754]

Yeah and it’s #1 export is copper and #3 is gold is the world going to boycott those as well.

[@paullabbe4189]

@@rab5193 I had no idea cobalt was used in oil refinement. Thanks for the info.

[@pinkelephants1421]

Plus its use in our gadgets' 🔋 packs is substantially greater than in EV 🔋 packs - but you don't see anyone rushing to either complain about either that or boycott those products altogether. No; more likely to rush out, spend obscene amounts of money on the 'latest' up-to-date version of whichever gadget takes their fancy despite their current one being in perfect working order &, most likely, don't use most of the functions beyond the basics or even have any awareness of their existence. And then leave the previous version lurking in a draw, unused, along with all the other perfectly good electronic wizardry. Massive waste of the Earth's resources & huge environmental impacts due to overconsumption especially climate change.

[@MrMischelito]

You can't say "heating sth to 1000 C" is "environmentally unfriendly" per se. It really really depends on the alternatives and on the source of energy.

[@TheBooban]

Not really. That they have to do it at 1000°c is inherently more unfriendly than if they could do it at room temperature no matter what.

[@ReddRubble]

I think it could be taking about having to melt plastic and other things releasing gases.

[@ReddRubble]

@@TheBooban this too. Heating anything that high is going to use an enormous amount of energy

[@eddymens1873]

Outside of comparing it to the alternative, such high temperatures are certainly environmentally unfriendly

[@teamjg277]

There are multiple companies working on bio reactors like used to extract gold being developed for battery material extraction

[@keco185]

A lot of cobalt is used in smartphone batteries and for refining oil. For EVs they tend to use low-cobalt battery technologies. Cobalt free LFP is almost certainly going to take over the market in the near future because it's cheaper, safer, and can be repeatedly charged to 100% without degradation unlike cobalt technologies which should only be charged to 80% most of the time.

[@jerryc6497]

The sooner we go cobalt free the better

[@Lildizzle420]

you're trying to compare a smart phone to a car? sounds pretty silly

[@justicedemocrat9357]

Uhh...yeah ppl would not be happy if the phone in their pocket suddenly exploded.

[@lachlanB323]

Also Tesla's new 4680 cells that are now in production use no cobalt. Tesla will soon be using no cobalt for every vehicle. Right now it is over 50% that don't use cobalt

[@TheAdventureAuto]

This battery tech of the future is pretty exciting.

[@marloeleven]

got to commend the researcher and writer of this article. complete, precise and very informative

[@lashnhith634]

This is a very good overview video. One issue to note, which was overlooked in the video, is that much of the production of cobalt in the D.R. Congo is by large scale mechanized copper operations. “Artisanal” or small scale mining (“ASM”) accounted for no more than 20-22% of D.R. Congo’s cobalt production at its peak and is now likely less than 10% (note: ASMs act as swing players that can rapidly adjust production as prices fluctuate). Moreover, only a small fraction of ASM is illegal or tied to human rights violations. That being said, more production diversification is needed for cobalt and many other commodities.

[@LOLHAMMER45678]

20% is quite a lot

[@lashnhith634]

@@LOLHAMMER45678 : perhaps, but that was the peak and only a small portion of that was illegal. Still is it important to highlight but the video made it seem as if all of D.R. Congo production is tied to human rights abuses. Perhaps a bigger concern is that much of the cobalt production is D.R. Congo is now controlled by Chinese firms and that cobalt chemical refining (more that metal refining) that is the next step towards battery materials is nearly all Chinese, as are most of the manufacturing steps that follow.

[@buildmotosykletist1987]

@@lashnhith634 : The Chinese still exploit the so called Artisanal or to put it blatantly child labour as much as they can. It is encouraged not discouraged.

[@pavelschannel-alittleoutof3532]

@@LOLHAMMER45678 I agree

[@kennethkho7165]

@@lashnhith634 Fine point

[@srikanthgonuguntala]

People of Indian origin doing great things

[@bravosierra2447]

I am considering buying an EV car in the next 18 months & this video has gone along way to help me understand what it is I am looking for in an EV car.

[@davidbeppler3032]

Tesla. Still the only choice that makes sense.

[@MikeYoungeasytravel]

@@davidbeppler3032 Tesla makes a good vehicle, and may be a perfect choice in the United States. However, it may be less attractive in other nations depending on various factors such as size, road taxes, and commute distances.

[@MaiDay01]

go for a polestar if you want quality and safteyr its an offshoot brand of volvo.

[@yo-no9879]

I'm just waiting for more DIY kits like the Ford Eluminator, I like my old car and can't stand the giant iPads in newer EVs.

[@wakannnai1]

@@davidbeppler3032 Tesla is ok. There are numerous build problems which are sadly very common. People should just pick whatever cars they like that are electric. Tesla is not the only choice in this market, and it's better to diversify the EV market so there are no monopolies.

[@mumblic]

Positive surprised with this video. In previous videos I have noticed a lot of incorrect and misleading information. This video feels much more correct and informative.

[@srivariveedhi8621]

It's good to know that NRIs are doing great work to make world a better place

[@vatsan2483]

Coz we potential Indians have big brains.. get into IITs and IIMs and lend ourselves for the world.. so we can kinda earn and settle xD

[@12akul]

Because governments abroad give value to deserved rather than reserved. They don't care you're black, brown, white, Hindu, Muslim, Brahmin, Dalit, South-Indian, North-Indian and the million other racial stereotypes that exist in India they just want talent.

[@vatsan2483]

@@12akul even though I perfectly agree with your take.. but it's just more than reserved vs deserve!! It has more to do with how we see a business and investment.. moreover it's also about recognition of patents and publications in scientific community.. and sorry to say government and reservation maybe a reason for where we are but it has more with outlook in our society in general!!!

[@swedesam]

Learned something new today, Thanks!

[@universalnettv677]

Remove cobalt, please. As a Congolese I know that the war will never end as long as you are still using this bloody metals. 🙏

[@oxide9717]

You do know 95% of Cobalt is used as a catalyst in cleaning petroleum the reason why EVs are associated with Cobalt is the fast EV adoption worldwide so blame the damn Cancer petroleum companies and companies trying to move the world to a renewable energy

[@universalnettv677]

@@TheFalseShepphard I am not talking to Tesla but to all the phones, computers, planes and cars companies. I know that it is difficult, but I hope that they find an alternative to cobalt very soon.

[@WellBattle6]

@@universalnettv677 Won’t matter as long as petroleum is used since petrocorps are the largest buyers of cobalt.

[@cobaltblue2756]

Why don't conglonese government stop child labor..

[@universalnettv677]

@@cobaltblue2756 Because they are evil who only care about themselves. It is not just about child labour. Millions of people are dying but for some reason you will never hear that on the news. Go check ONU reports eg: ‘report of the Mapping’.

[@malekmalek9064]

China's biggest ev manufacturer BYD never stepped down from LFP technology,BYD still very underrated

[@neeljavia2965]

Good joke.

[@Manish-ud4sl]

@@neeljavia2965 your father is joke

[@1aZoOs]

BYD is a pioneer in LFP technology, they have 0% failure and 0 fire accidents. No wonder tesla is buying batteries from them for their China model-3. Ofcourse cost is also one of the reasons, they're much cheaper than Li-NCA's used in Model-S's. Only drawback is shorter range and missing out on the ludicrous acceleration of the NCA's.

[@Neojhun]

@@1aZoOs WTF Wrong, BYD e6 had problematic fire problems but still quite rare. It's not common but they did happen.

[@1aZoOs]

@@Neojhun Li-LFP batteries dont catch fire, like the Tesla's, unless you crash.

[@j0nb0y5]

Good job on real journalist work. Felt like I was back in the 90s watching 20/20 for a moment haha

[@aberration1]

Ok. I’m not buying electric car until they become cheaper. Thank you for telling me not to waste my money on current electric cars !!

[@tails300]

A hybrid maybe an alternative choice for you to bridge the gap until EVs mature in the next 10/15 years.

[@benjaminnead8557]

The used and resultingly inexpensive (under $10K) EV I bought 6 years ago has saved me considerable money because it takes about one third as much money to drive per mile on a vehicle powered by electricity when compared to a gasoline car of similar size/weight/utility. It also has a considerably less complex drivetrain compared to a gasoline car, so I've saved money on all the typical maintenance items associated with keeping an internal combustion engine (ICE) running properly. The only real downside is that early EVs, like mine, have a relatively small battery, because EV-grade batteries were rather expensive to manufacture a decade or so ago. Hence, I have a vehicle with a realistic range of around 70 miles per charge. But this is more than adequate for my urban living needs. I'm also able to charge my car overnight at home, which is far more convenient than having to travel to a gas station. longer range EVs are now plentiful, of course, but they're still more expensive to buy than a comparable gasoline car. But operating and maintenance costs are already far lower to gasoline cars of similar aspirations. So, I would contend that, if saving money is what's keeping you away, you're foolish not to consider an EV.

[@yeeaahhzz]

still saving on maintenace n gas.

[@Zaerki]

Buy a Tesla, and thank me later!

[@lachlanB323]

They won't for a while. Tesla's Demand is insane right now.

[@shazmosushi]

Really good reporting! Good job CNBC

[@tedpiano]

"I don't feel comfortable driving a car with a battery produced in-part by child labor" **Stress-eats a Hershey's chocolate and orders something from Zara or H&M**

[@CheddarTeddy]

Those Zara and HM also ordered from a child slave labor smartphone

[@yodab.at1746]

Wearing jeans made in a sweat shop somewhere poor and hot.

[@yodab.at1746]

@sushi4life whereas conservative right would be "I'm fine with that, it's their fault for being poor and I get cheap prices'?

[@techpriest4787]

@@yodab.at1746 mah capitalism!

[@megadunsparce5735]

Just Saving The World With My Latest MacBook And Pumpkin Spiced Latte One Day At A Time!

[@upperjohn117aka]

Removing cobalt also has 100% less child slave labour

[@user-cr1983]

They might break slave cobalt producers but it does not mean slaves are going to be free, probably they might be use in another industries. It is Just marketing not a whole solution, but it is better if it is real.

[@brogcooper25]

Refining gasoline requires cobalt. We should probably try to move away from that and to cobalt free EVs.

[@upperjohn117aka]

@@brogcooper25 not saying we shouldnt move to it evs are waaay better then gas but it would be nice to seem the repairable and actually able to be recycled instead of charging 20k for a new battery

[@upperjohn117aka]

@@user-cr1983 currently a lawsuit against tech giants for it google, microsoft, apple, tesla etc they just bury it because their platforms can

[@tompeled6193]

There's Blackbird mine in Idaho which we can reopen.

[@casualsuede]

Solid state batteries is the future, not a reformulation of lithium based batteries. They don't have the heat problem, they recharge in minutes, they are more cold resistant and are cheaper to build.

[@alandoherty5804]

If this were true, the incentive would overwhelmingly be to use them. Pretty much by implication of them not being used there will be a reason why: can't scale outside lab, too expensive, too dangerous, too variant to environmental conditions, not enough lifespan to name a few. Maybe that will change, but I've been hearing solid state batteries are production ready for years.

[@ThexXxXxOLOxXxXx]

@@alandoherty5804 China: we finally have a monopoly on cobalt! US and allies: hmm we have concluded Cobolt is dangerous for the environment, as of today.

[@lukecheuk]

China is also the largest maker of LFP batteries Bud & Catl) in the world so what's your point lol!

[@charliemaybe]

it is basically a trio of things. pick two and that is it. you get range, price, and safety. pick two and you have a battery. since car battery fires are something that doesn't look great for publicity and range is a huge selling factor, this is why we currently use cobalt

[@lordwellmeta8071]

Thanks you. Your clear explanation puts the two available options very simply.

[@johnpetit7863]

The BYD blade battery is cobalt free and the safest battery by far. Only battery to pass the nail through test. Also very good in extreme heat and cold.

[@TWUMKWAME5]

This documentary is well made, lam really impressed.

[@pendarshahbazi4613]

Amazing report! Thank you so much.

[@br1mf]

Magnis Technologies already have developed a battery with no Cobalt or Nickel that are very competitive, safe and they secured a non-China supply chain. 40% of the NY Gigafactory already completed.

[@Top5AutoRepairs]

This video is great 👍 👌

[@chitwnhood]

13:10 dude is rockin' that 240p!

[@meawwow]

So wonderful to see 2 Indians in both the competing companies. India and US ties are increasing be it cultural, economic or political. It might turn into a great partnership like the Anglo-American ties since WW1.

[@WellBattle6]

The relationship will be strengthened by the US as long as India’s federal government doesn’t become super-right wing nationalist. If the US perceives India to become a threat to “democracy” as much as China they will incentivize companies to move everything again.

[@TheOneAboveAllx]

@@WellBattle6 Do you realise that usa itself is a "right wing" country from the worlds perspective no matter which party is in power? The issue isn't in being right wing actually being left wing will be more of a problem as the government would interfere too much with the private enterprises, the real issue is in being authoratirian which is a diffrent political dimension!

[@meawwow]

@@WellBattle6 i mean there were rioters in Capitol hill less that a year ago. Also our right wing i was more socialist than the Democratic party(or Bernie Sanders) in US, because we were literally a socialist country till 1991, we still are very much socialist with American standards. Right wing is a necessity in India for free business environment. India is so socialist that people protest against privatization and for nationalisation of companies 😂😂

[@ChiSa123]

@@WellBattle6 It won't be "super-right wing". That is an exaggeration and fear mongering of either vested interest extreme left or in some cases "anti-India" organisations. The Prime Minister of India has the highest average approval rating of 70%. That is the highest of all the world leaders. (Source: Morning Consult - Political Intelligence).

[@the80386]

you called out the term 'super right wing' as an exaggeration and fear mongering, yet used the terms 'extreme left' and 'anti-india' yourself without a hint of irony!

[@CharlesLukoba]

This is really good production CNBC!

[@techcafe0]

@4:15 you got Anode and Cathode mixed up; the Anode is positive (+) terminal of the battery, and Cathode negative (-)

[@geofry40]

It depends if the battery is charging or discharging. On discharge the negative electrode is the anode, but on charging the negative electrode is the cathode. For this reason saying positive or negative electrode to refer to the different parts is more accurate. But in the field, people generally mean the negative electrode(graphite) when they say anode, and positive electrode(NMC) when they say cathode.

[@mrmuranga]

Another great short informative piece from CNBC....👏

[@FeldwebelWolfenstool]

...there's plenty of Cobalt in Canada, but the First World end-users want to keep paying Third World prices for the stuff...

[@mwbgaming28]

If you call $800/kwh third world prices...

[@SportNut1]

Cause the Americans only want to get material cheaply from those countries that they can harass. Look at what they did to the middle east when they rely on oil and is now completely pulled out in a few mouths once the EV switch is in full motion. I am sure we would be in big trouble if Cobalt only exist in Canada and they can't get away from it

[@mwbgaming28]

@@SportNut1 my point is, you day end users want to pay 3rd world prices for things, yet the batteries produced from 3rd world Labor cost around $800/kWh for the end user to buy (despite the manufacturing price being about 30% of that)

[@NextGHaHaHa]

@@mwbgaming28 800$ for the entire battery pack 800$ per kwh would mean the model s battery has 80000$ of cobalt in it...

[@mwbgaming28]

@@NextGHaHaHa for me to go online and purchase lithium cells, the calculated cost of the cells is around $800/kWh (meaning I pay $800 for 1kwh of cells)

[@ericcarabetta1161]

I'm now going to spend the next several hours going down the fascinating rabbit hole of battery chemistry, this documentary gave me just enough of a tasty taste and now I want more.

[@buildmotosykletist1987]

Don't forget a ball of wool ;-)

[@jsgsmile]

By the way: we have now magnet and copper free motors, too.

[@fredsalter1915]

We can replace the copper that's used in electric motors with tuna meat!

[@davidwalker2144]

none have found the "cure for death" or " locust causing farmine" COBALT FREE Electrical vehicles not even government Grant's? We are so backward in kindaholic God help 😢

[@deathgun3110]

Mahle has rare earth free motors in their portfolio, but copper is still in use.

[@pargevkarapetyan2251]

Greate news ,geting read of cobalt making batterys👌👍

[@larslysdahl4586]

Great documentary. Although it is not up to date on LFP. There are decent range evs from Tesla and BYD with lfp batteries today. Also, often a lot of the energy density lost at the cell level is gained at the pack level, thus lfp and nickel based have almost the same energy density in a pack. Also lfp allows for 100% state of charge daily which improves your practical range, not having to plan ahead like you do with nickel based batteries, where daily charge is recommended at 80%. Also lfp costs are at $60/kwh today compared to nmc at 100.

[@radomirbossev1300]

They had a small comment about that right at the end of the video. But BYD is so slept on... They are so well vertically integrated, even better than Tesla, making their own batteries and chips. I saw they were on track to become the 2nd largest battery manufacturer just behind CATL. And that blade battery they have looks really good. I expect them to become one of the powerhouses to come out of China and flood EU markets. With the pace they are growing I'm pretty sure they will be a big part of the reason legacy OEMs go out of business this decade.

[@gregvanpaassen]

@@radomirbossev1300 Agree...although some of BYD's key patents are due to expire next year, apparently.

[@mauricioweber8879]

Good in depth options in the future!

[@shadfletcher6815]

If your shocked by child labor for cobalt,look up child labor for chocolate,I could be wrong but I've heard it was just as bad or worse

[@kitemanmusic]

Well it can't be worse. Cocoa pods grow on trees, so harvesting is much cleaner than digging in wet soil. Not defending slavery.

[@johnwang9914]

Or for coffee. There are countless products whose production is morally questionable including the clothes you wear.

[@A_Shihtzu]

Cheaper, less terrible on the environment, less held hostage by China……

[@buildmotosykletist1987]

@Josh... : see my other comment about Hydrogen fuel cells.

[@ambessashield9360]

China produce everything you own. You’re brainwashed by western media & propaganda.

[@112313]

"less held hostage by china"...? you mean america is not holding china hostage by blacklisting their companies? hmm....weird standard.

[@buildmotosykletist1987]

@@112313 : All US companies are blacklisted by the CCP. No foreign countries can even list.

[@buildmotosykletist1987]

@@ambessashield9360 : Except all the produce the CCP desperately need that's produced in Australia, Argentina, etc, etc.

[@nicholasthon973]

Good thing Tesla is switching to LFP (no cobalt) and uses low cobalt NCA.

[@4literv6]

Shh can't having people know the truth now. Doesn't fit the narrative. 😀

[@freethinker424]

Is that why their cars catch on fire sometimes?

[@4literv6]

@@freethinker424 see 209,000+privately owned vehicle fires in the us alone per the nhsta and ntsb 2020 statistics. Got any comments on those by chance? Yeah I didn't think so. 😏

[@LSnium]

Good thing ill continue driving gas cars.

[@visceral_investing]

@@4literv6 lol that 209k is spread across all the manufacturers across the US. maybe look at the % per cars sold for each manufacturer instead

[@joelado]

Right off the bat, batteries without cobalt such as lithium iron phosphate (also called LiPO4 or LFP) batteries are less prone to fires, in other words much safer than those that contain it. Secondly, Tesla's Standard Range Plus Model 3s and its Model Y Standard Range vehicles sold in the U.S. use LFP batteries. Ford is building a battery factory in the U.S. that will make exclusively LFP batteries for all its EVs opening very soon. So the industry is going cobalt free very soon. LFP batteries are again safer, less prone to fires and the kicker is much, much cheaper than those batteries that contain cobalt. The downside of the batteries is that they are less energy dense at this point than those that contain cobalt, so you tend not to see them in the companies longer range vehicles, at this time. Advancements are being made in battery chemistry and vehicle efficiency that will, shortly, bring us much longer ranging cobalt free batteries. The future is looking brighter and brighter.

[@thetrainhopper8992]

This issue with electric cars is the need for lithium. Even if each cell only needs 7 milligrams of lithium, that still ads up to millions of smartphones worth of batteries. And smartphones are way more useful in the grand scheme of things than 1 car. And we don't have the capacity to mine enough lithium. The answer is less cars, not more.

[@edwardbyard6540]

We don’t really mine lithium. We extract it from brine. Also, there is a lot of lithium in seawater. That can be extracted, but not cost effectively right now. That time will come, though. Lithium carbonate can also be reclaimed.

[@georgeb5262]

@@edwardbyard6540 But LiCO3 isn't exactly good for the environment.

[@KhamusSolo]

I for one am glad that Train hopper& friends are smarter than everyone else! They seen a problem and then provided an answer JUST LIKE THAT. Holy smokes... What else of the worlds problems can these guys solve I wonder?!

[@mrd9421]

Thumbs up CNBC! Very informative documentary.

[@gerards.5514]

No. The electrolyte does not conduct electricity. When that happens, it's called a short and a fire breaks out. The electrolyte permits ionic transport (the lithium ions). Electricity is conducted through wires connecting the anode to the cathode, with your electronics or motor in between.

[@Blindjager]

I don't have the time right now to tell you how wrong you are. Let me know if you want papers proving you wrong, a simple google search would do the same.

[@Subwolfer7564]

@@Blindjager Bring on the papers Oh right and the "simple google search" brought me this en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery "A lithium-ion battery or Li-ion battery is a type of rechargeable battery in which lithium ions move from the negative electrode through an electrolyte to the positive electrode during discharge, and back when charging. Li-ion batteries use an intercalated lithium compound as the material at the positive electrode and typically graphite at the negative electrode. " first link in google, and first sentence on the document.

[@TS-ij9cz]

Ions, a charged particle, being transported, is technically what? That’s right, an electric current. (AKA - electricity). Oh yeah, whatever happened to conservation of current? Magically, a battery has no current running through the electrolyte between anode and cathode, yet the circuit connected to said anode and cathode does?

[@TS-ij9cz]

@@Subwolfer7564 do you even know what you are talking about?

[@Subwolfer7564]

@@TS-ij9cz Im literally an electrical technician. A battery does not act the same as a plain wire, if it did, batteries would be useless.

[@kneekoo]

Quality stuff from CNBC. Impressive. :)

[@starvictory7079]

Northvolt in Sweden will mine and make EV batteries as well as recycling.

[@WOOF95]

The anode is the positively charged end of the battery and the cathode is the negatively charged end of the battery.

[@billsmith5109]

Good job dogsplaining.

[@okunrin3]

Shout out to Chibueze, my homeboy and professor of molecular engineering. Well done Baba. 9ja no dey carry last. #Proud.

[@mancavestudios8955]

Just a friendly reminder that EV's are a small part in the pursuit of ecological sustainability! Changing our city's zoning code to allow for density and mixed use are important aspects for reducing car dependency.

[@anshumanpurohit6335]

Cobalt and Nickel free solid state battery are the future of EV industries. Cobalt and Nickel also contaminates the environment after e-waste.

[@bobspizza7444]

Platinum is used in solid state batteries. Do some research on how little platinum we have. No way we have enough to power all those batteries. They have used graphene but the energy production is 30% less and battery life is as well

[@rhishitvasinghraghuvanshi7513]

@4:15 The anode is +ve and cathode is -ve end of the battery

[@elysium76]

Kudos to the modern day alchemist

[@GamerbyDesign]

There is no alchemy going on here only chemistry.

[@EddieKMusic]

@@GamerbyDesign Wrong. Alchemists at tesla taste different chemicals to determine the best composition for the batteries.

[@elysium76]

@@GamerbyDesign you must be fun at parties

[@GamerbyDesign]

@@EddieKMusic They taste them huh?

[@knowledgepower839]

Again a indian origin 🇮🇳 entrepreneur Sanjiv malhotra helping US to compete with china🇨🇳

[@niriap9780]

Arumugam was also an Indian

[@richardwainwright507]

Investment in US battery production is great. Anything to reduce our dependence on China is good.

[@honkhonk8009]

true. we gotta put money on automation if we even hope to compete with china.

[@arnowisp6244]

Should do a trade war on Seeds China buys. That can cripple them.

[@natgenesis5038]

@@honkhonk8009that’s suicidal idea which means everything will be automated

[@dinner85]

Great presenter. Thank you.

[@Alexiscruz-er2jo]

I love these videos so informative

[@abhiraj.sharma]

It's crazy how even after being just 1% of the total population, Indians are almost always present in every successful thing. Motivates me daily.

[@thetaomega7816]

1 billion out of 8 billion is not 1%^^

[@abhiraj.sharma]

@@thetaomega7816 Doesn't matter. If given good opportunity in education, most of them succeed in life. Context is related to us population.

[@Kirnotsarg]

A sequel of 'Blood Diamond' could be in the making, titled 'Blood Cobalt'.

[@silasdietrich7464]

One of my favorite movies the main actors were phenomenal

[@user-kz3db9zw5z]

HemaCobalt

[@tombaja4.9]

Don't forget the EMF Radiation. Now add a phone and go through a radar trap. Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz DING

[@arnowisp6244]

Just go with the catch-all 'Blood Minerals'.

[@Neojhun]

@@tombaja4.9 That makes no sense. The amount of EMF these device make even a EVs is problematically tiny. Thus why we have Reception problems and connectivity issues. The signal is soo weak it's easy to be blocked. BEVs have to conform to insane EMF requirement to this point it has not interfere with AM Radio Recievers. The EMF Noise output is insanely small and way safer than harmless.

[@florenciovela7570]

great show I've ordered the S dual motor fsd while my tri motor fsd cybertruck gets here and I have lots of SOLAR power and battery backup system to charge them both at home 🏡 😀

[@Tresla]

While it will likely bring the cost of batteries down, I bet the price of the Tesla Model 3 will stay the same. They've seen that no matter how high they raise their prices, people still want them.

[@Simon-dm8zv]

Exactly. Demand is not the problem :D

[@harsimranbansal5355]

Since tesla now has a run rate of 1 million units, they have achieved a lot of the cost reductions due to scale, the other EV makers haven’t so this will help them more to make EVs at a profit.

[@rolando2700]

It will help margins for a cheaper model

[@unition2226]

might work well for combining with recycling technologies to eventually render the materials inert or seperated.

[@MM-np4md]

What's the difference caused by removing cobalt if nickel, manganese and iron are all mined metals as well?

[@danielcarroll3358]

To get a pound/kg of cobalt you have to dig up a lot more stuff than you have to for a pound/kg of the other metals.

[@Simon-dm8zv]

And less complex to mine and less rare

[@Mathis218337]

Because unlike oil, it’s mined once and recycled.

[@linmal2242]

Well you can't have modern tech or a modern life at all without mining.! You volunteering to go back to living in a cave?

[@MM-np4md]

@@danielcarroll3358 thanks for the input, I appreciate it 🤝

[@mr88cet]

Another advantage of LFP is that they can be routinely charged to full, discharged to zero, and stored at high charge with very little degradation. NMC and Lithium-Polymer batteries should not be charged completely full nor discharged to empty, and should not maintain high charge for long times. Their charge levels are trickier to manage than LFP, in short. However, LFP batteries must not be kept at low-charge for long.

[@evukelectricvehicles]

No mention of BYD' s market-leading, cobalt-free Blade batteries which were designed with recyclablity as a top priority. China has also finally persuaded Western carmakers including Tesla to shift from li-ion to lithium iron phosphate - Tesla Model 3's powered by LiFePo still have a longer range than most of its competitors like VW, Nissan(Leaf), GM(Bolt) etc etc Paul G(Editor: EVUK since...1999)

[@justicedemocrat9357]

No, they definitely mentioned BYD and LFPs.

[@juz882010]

great for us Aussies, Chine buying even more Iron ore from us... prices going through the roof soon.

[@Liz-tu8nf]

Great explanation. Thanks!

[@INICK84]

Hello, if you are reading this, keep going. You will succeed!!! I believe in you! Have a great day!

[@caseyford3368]

Run Nano threading throughout the whole structure of EVs to turn them into a big battery that lasts for a very long time. Have a direct connect to the axle of EVs to super charge them. No more plugging in.

[@keemankeelam1660]

we used to call this evolution now everything must be praised. faster cheaper better.

[@yjk5430]

Evolution for a battery? LOL

[@diaconoamon]

So the question is What is the best ETFs for invest LIT or BATT? Maybe BATT in long

[@Karim-ik5ij]

More of a reason to not buy an EV right now. Wait 3 to 5 years, you'll get more bang for your buck as tech will improve dramatically.

[@afqt80]

Even today, total cost of ownership for EVs is lower than internal combustion engine cars.

[@FKS1994]

You can say that for every vehicle out right now. There will always be a technological gap with newer models.

[@brunellecooper]

If that's how people thought then technology would never advance because nobody would buy it when its first released, there are still excellent quality EVs out right now

[@johnwang9914]

All the more reason to require standardizations of the battery form factor so the batteries can be replaced. Besides, if the range is sufficient for your daily commute plus a reserve then recharging overnight or while you work is sufficient, there really is no need for high capacities and the concurrent stability problems. For the infrequent long trips, range extenders such as battery trailers are possible and you can always rent a conventional car. If people will just get over their range anxiety though once a serious concern but are now just irrational, then the batteries wouldn't be such a problem. The right for third parties to inexpensively rejuvenate the battery packs rather than have them proprietary is more important then this mindless search for greater range.

[@Karim-ik5ij]

You missed the point. This is an innovation. Tech improves rapidly for for the first 10 years. Yes there is always new improvements w combustion engines but we have reached significant slowing compared to 80 years ago.

[@aardvarkansaw]

Great info. I am curious about the relevance of the various battery form factors to these new chemistries-cylindrical, pouch, etc

[@42luke93]

For a moment I thought this was about GM 😂

[@kurtisengle6256]

Iron Phosphate is great. Almost fireproof. Non-toxic. Recyclable. Lasts an incredible number of charges. BUT. How about a carbon anode, carbon cathode battery? Carbon is even cheaper than Iron. It's made from burnt cotton. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_carbon_battery "As an electrolyte, the cell uses one or more lithium salts in an aprotic organic solvent. These remain unspecified, but as an example in a patent, the group uses a system consisting of lithium hexafluorophosphate (LiPF 6) as the salt, and ethylene carbonate (EC) and dimethyl carbonate (DMC), mixed in a 1:2 volume ratio, as solvent." Basically, the Lithium and Flourophospate go in opposite directions to their opposing carbon corners on discharge, and return to the electrolyte to join up on recharge.

[@Con_Bondo]

Sunrise Mine in Australia 🌅 Asx: SRL largest Cobat mine outside of Africa. 100% powered by renewable energy. Lowest cost mining. Refined on site. Look it up 👌💯 CNBC should do a piece on it and interview Robert Friedland about it.

[@downstream0114]

Regardless of individual sources, increased demand for the metal will translate to more mining in Africa.

[@Con_Bondo]

@@downstream0114 of course it will. But not as much as you think. Most big corps will move to "ethically" and "environmentally " friendly source cobalt. Mainly the chinese pushing the DRC not so much the western in the future.

[@mwanikimwaniki6801]

@@downstream0114 and more suffering for the locals.

[@jaityrone6306]

Cobalt is the new gold

[@Dayanto]

When Tesla mentions "high nickel", they're talking about their new cobalt-free nickel-based chemistry, not NCA. They also have a cobalt-free nickel-manganese chemistry with a lower fraction of nickel.

[@jonathanpalmquist4894]

I don’t think they’ve ever said that the current nickel is totally cobalt free, just that they’ve reduced it a lot and are working on reducing it further, down to nothing, eventually.

[@Simon-dm8zv]

@@jonathanpalmquist4894 Correct. Tesla never claimed the new cells to be cobalt free.

[@benjaminnead8557]

Tesla's "new" cobalt-free chemistry is, in fact, an evolution of classic LFP (Lithium Iron Phosphate, LiFePO4, etc.,) which has been around for many years. The cells are made by the Chinese firm, CATL, who is the largest battery manufacturer ofn the planet. More on it here . . . kzbin.info/www/bejne/fJW9fWuIe5innqs

[@Simon-dm8zv]

@@benjaminnead8557 Yes, those are for the lower range vehicles.

[@benjaminnead8557]

@@Simon-dm8zv Well, yes and no. The previous iteration of the Standard Range Model 3 with NCA cells has only about 10 miles more range per charge than the equivalent LFP-equipped vehicle. Also, LFP packs can be charged to a higher capacity without danger of damaging the cells and the packs are longer life overall. So, it could be argued that the LFP Model 3s are are superior in terms of range and longevity under real world operating conditions when compared to the NCA ones.

[@maramarsu8204]

What are the realistic time lines for these techs to be in cars that you can buy? Like the solid state stuff?

[@TopVillain]

Africa should be the richest continent on earth with its rare earth mining but what’s going on

[@589supra]

Devalued currency. Wait until one world currency comes out creating a level playing field

[@DogeMultiverse]

tesla is leading the charge to EV cars

[@MrVaticanRag]

China has almost eliminated Cobalt from the batteries- they lead the world in switching to LiFeP batteries.

[@bogganalseryd2324]

Northvolt in Sweden has succeed in 100% recycling of lithium ion batteries

[@skillfulpeople]

American Manganese in Canada has it too

[@bogganalseryd2324]

@@skillfulpeople cool, batteries have gone down in price 89% the last year. This bodes well for the future

[@airgunningyup]

seems to me , whether were going electric , gas, natural gas, hydrogen it wont really matter.. People will suffer in poor countries , and lots of pollution will be created.

[@Simon-dm8zv]

Emissions of EVs are far lower.

[@user-lz3sv5sw9u]

If we all switched to EVs, overall amount of greenhouse gases would only go down by about 12% because our power plants, factories, and agriculture still make up 70% of greenhouse gas emissions.

[@alexsiemers7898]

@@user-lz3sv5sw9u chances are, the money spent on making tech like EVs viable is making renewables and energy storage more viable too

[@airgunningyup]

@@Simon-dm8zv its always the ramp up that needs to be examined...but agreed obviously

[@user-lz3sv5sw9u]

@@alexsiemers7898 Switching to clean, reliable energy is a necessity if we're already gonna be switching to EVs. On top of that, I think investing more into carbon capture technologies is also another important step since fossil fuels will continue to be burnt for decades to come.

[@charleslloyd4253]

Cobalt in lithium batteries help stabilize the batteries so to keep them from shorting out and exploding. But safety in automobiles is no longer a major concern. When people verses profit. People lose.

[@robmarkovitch]

Laptops and cell phones have cobalt batteries. Also, Tesla is using LFP in all standard range vehicles and phasing out cobalt altogether.

[@kbram7363]

These videos are amazing

[@davidbeppler3032]

Nickel is the problem. Why is the news 10 years behind the real information? Cobalt is affecting Cell phone batteries, not EV batteries. lmao Tesla used 2000 tonnes of cobalt in 2020 to produce 500,000 cars. That is about 8lbs per car. The battery pack weights 1060lbs. Both GM and Ford used more Cobalt in that same year to produce 20% as many BEVs.

[@xavierzacheriah6038]

Money

[@jameswest4819]

Cobalt is present in large quantities on the ocean floor in the Cook Islands.

[@DrMDodd]

Electrons flow from Cathode(-ve) to anode (+ve)

[@DrMDodd]

@Alter Kater my point was that the video said the oposite

[@CobaltLobster]

I hate that stupid abbreviation of adding ve to (+) (-). I'm not sure when it started but it's been since I was trained on electronics 20 years ago. The ve adds nothing.

[@adrianmcgivern3281]

Excellent service

[@regolith1350]

It was an excellent video until we got to the very end and that guy makes an absurd statement about how “we can’t afford for renewable energy to leave anyone behind.” This is an absurd statement because EVERY change, EVERY revolution in history has been lumpy and asymmetrical. People get left behind with every single change. There are still lots of people who don’t have vehicles of any kind or even electricity. Are we supposed to wait for these people before starting the EV Revolution? There are still lots of people living in poverty. Are we supposed to wait for them to become rich before transitioning to renewables? This “no one must be left behind” is a perfect sample of the kind of nonsense people vomit out because it sounds good or it makes themselves look noble and heroic but is actually absurd nonsense.

[@jworganizationisdestroying8398]

AMC squeeze this year 🌙🚀🚀

[@nolanabell703]

Long TSLA since 2019

[@Simon-dm8zv]

Me too 😀

[@a40anda47]

Me three 🚘

[@MrEugeneleo]

very informative!!