How EVs Are Shaking The Car Parts Supplier Industry

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Companies that make parts for internal combustion engines are facing a harsh future. Revenues for ICE cars, and fuel and exhaust systems are all expected to decline 44% through 2027. Meanwhile, for electric drivetrains and batteries or fuel cells, revenues are expected to rise 245%, according to a 2023 Deloitte Automotive Supplier Study. While the parts themselves are changing, the pie is also shrinking. An internal combustion powertrain has about 2,000 parts. EV powertrains have about 20, sometimes less. Automakers are also finding ways to more efficiently manufacture parts through methods like giga casting, pioneered by Tesla. There are thousands of parts in cars that come from companies all over the world, a whole branching supply chain of firms each dependent on the success of the others. Many of those companies are small, family owned firms, but even the large, publicly traded suppliers such as Bosch, Denso, Magna and ZF could be in trouble. The question is, will EVs kill the thousands of auto suppliers or can they find ways to pivot, consolidate or somehow stay in business?
Chapters:
00:00 - Introduction
01:52 - The shift to EVs
05:55 - Lower demand
10:19 - Volatile times
11:42 - Industry pivots
Produced by: Robert Ferris
Editor: Darren Geeter
Senior Managing Producer: Tala Hadavi
Graphics: Jason Reginato, Andrea Schmitz
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How EVs Are Shaking The Car Parts Supplier Industry

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@kiaranr
@kiaranr 10 ай бұрын
I'm not even a big fan of electric cars. But the fact that they have FAR fewer parts is perhaps their biggest advantage. We should be engineering for simplicity and robustness. Values that the auto industry chucked out the window decades ago.
@bjelinski1
@bjelinski1 10 ай бұрын
EVs are cheaper in Norway than ICE (air pollution kills so you have to contribute to the health system with higher taxes on ICE, simple), and it costs me 10x less to charge than to buy gas. + a lot less maintenance, sure. no brainer. The USA just don't charge for air pollution, they will soon feel the consequences, with a few days of 122F per year, and maybe a month over 104F.
@vhateverlie
@vhateverlie 10 ай бұрын
Far fewer parts yet they're the most prone to failure machines in the industry. It's unbelievable that they're less reliable than combustion their counterparts. Junk, I hope they figure it out.
@keithwisdom1663
@keithwisdom1663 10 ай бұрын
Not a fan when cars will one day be all electric or some other source other than gas and eventually cars will be flying but you are not a fan of airplane? The market determines the way things are going to be Fans are for sports
@davefitzpatrick4841
@davefitzpatrick4841 10 ай бұрын
They are just from a physics perspective more efficient with energy !
@davefitzpatrick4841
@davefitzpatrick4841 10 ай бұрын
@@user-ix5pi5nm5p there are third party garages across the globe who deal in fixing these cars ( including Tesla's ) and market forces dictate as there are fewer and fewer Ice cars more garages will move over to the servicing and fixing of EVs bringing down the price of repairs. Often when there are issues with batteries it's 1-2 cells , they can be replaced, the same goes for drive motors etc .
@ronch550
@ronch550 10 ай бұрын
I'm reminded of the quartz crisis that turned the Swiss watch industry upsidedown. Many car makers and suppliers will bite the dust, no doubt.
@rexe3139
@rexe3139 10 ай бұрын
@@geocam2 You think chemical engineering and electrical engineering is easier to mechanical?
@KTPurdy
@KTPurdy 10 ай бұрын
The end of the video does a really good job demonstrating how difficult it is to get into new markets.
@nathanmiddleton1478
@nathanmiddleton1478 10 ай бұрын
Yeah, I felt this video was less about the EV market and more about how everyone else needs to re-think their company position a changing market. Especially when you need to pivot and may not be familiar with that sector, or may be creating a whole new sector that no one is in.
@weifengmao
@weifengmao 10 ай бұрын
Bureaucracy. That's the Nemesis of innovation.
@KTPurdy
@KTPurdy 10 ай бұрын
@@weifengmao the challenges exist in private industries as well. It is about relationships and safe decisions.
@samuxan
@samuxan 10 ай бұрын
The difference between a threat and an opportunity is how fast the company can adapt to change. Small companies have the advantage here if they lose the fear of changing and embrace this technology.
@martiruda
@martiruda 10 ай бұрын
we need clinical psychologists helping students from the very early days of their careers to help them overcome those mental struggles
@bobroberts2371
@bobroberts2371 10 ай бұрын
I guess you missed the part where driveline parts content will drop from 2,000 parts to 20 in an EV. This will shrink the number of suppliers dramatically,you just can't have 2,000 suppliers battling for 20 parts.
@billcichoke2534
@billcichoke2534 10 ай бұрын
Cute. If repairs aren't possible, then that means the used car market goes bust. That means EVs, which are being obsoleted like touchscreen phones ALREADY, will pile up as people try to keep current. No one will want the USED EVs, since they won't be supported. This doesn't sound like an opportunity. This sounds like yet another ill thought out agenda with no idea of consequences.
@BlazingShackles
@BlazingShackles 10 ай бұрын
he doesnt get it. the auto parts industry will virtually disappear. There will no longer be brick-n-mortar retail auto parts stores.@@bobroberts2371
@MoDa87
@MoDa87 10 ай бұрын
@@bobroberts2371Welcome to capitalism. This is the efficiency of the market. The consumers are the winners.
@Nunya1721
@Nunya1721 10 ай бұрын
We should never stop innovation for the sake of a few companies' survival. These companies need to innovate and adapt alongside the industry if they want to survive, as has always been the case throughout humanity.
@bryanjoachim5655
@bryanjoachim5655 10 ай бұрын
No kidding?! And all those plant workers, mechanics, etc., well, they can just go ahead and innovate themselves a new career or business, right? What about the older folks in their 50's and 60's who've been "innovated" into new industries for the past 30 years because of government edicts. Kinda sounds like, "Let 'em eat cake". Again Why innovate when the government can arbitrarily shut your business down? With all the respect and politeness I can muster, you folks have no idea what they're doing and will be the ruin of us.
@andrewchatterton8594
@andrewchatterton8594 10 ай бұрын
@@bryanjoachim5655sad but that’s the way it always has been and the way it always will be. Do you think society is just gonna stop changing? 🤷‍♂️
@replica1052
@replica1052 10 ай бұрын
@@bryanjoachim5655 there is a billion cars in need of batteries - work aplenty (all dealers should sell solar charging solutions )
@Vlperine
@Vlperine 10 ай бұрын
@@bryanjoachim5655 So you suggest to stop innovating just so nothing changes to businesses? The very fabric of a business is to serve customers - not other way around
@nathanmiddleton1478
@nathanmiddleton1478 10 ай бұрын
Did you not watch the whole video? That's exactly what part of the point was, and it ended with the point that adapting, even with good ideas, isn't easy. Like the CEO of Storch said, "Budgets are made for tires, not for new equipment." So they have a great idea that lowers the cost of tire blowouts, but since the budgets aren't designed to be flexible to support innovative and adaptable companies they don't "win". Really, the problem is recognizing good innovation and rewarding it.
@souravjaiswal-jr4bj
@souravjaiswal-jr4bj 10 ай бұрын
What happened to whalers, horse buggy, film roll camera and feature phone manufacturers?
@dannmarceau9743
@dannmarceau9743 10 ай бұрын
They learned to adapt, or they didn't, e.g., Studebaker and Fischer Body/Standard Wagon Works.
@magallon643
@magallon643 10 ай бұрын
Don't forget Blockbuster,Hollywood video,Nokia,Kodak,Sbc Pacific Bell,and Blackberry.
@dentatusdentatus1592
@dentatusdentatus1592 10 ай бұрын
Don't forget Dodo bird leash manufacturers.
@compaqdeskpro5770
@compaqdeskpro5770 10 ай бұрын
Don't forget about Japan, Central Park, private horse owners, Fuji Film, and Kyocera.
@josephfisher426
@josephfisher426 10 ай бұрын
They were all killed by advancements that were an order of magnitude (at least) more efficient. Switching from ICE to EV is a one-for-one exchange in terms of the labor done... it is made advantageous by tax-type incentives, but we don't yet know how the electricity market will settle out. Also, the incompetents running the power company just spent about 24 hours reminding me why I wouldn't count on an EV unless I had my own, rather robust solar system...
@nickyg7421
@nickyg7421 10 ай бұрын
My aunt just bought and EV and it's amazing. No gas, no oil change, none of the standard maintenance in a gas car. Battery is good for 100,000 miles. My next car I hope is an EV
@thezfamily989
@thezfamily989 10 ай бұрын
It won't last ... battery are like phones that only have certain years. People I know had tesla only last 10 years and to buy a new battery it cost $15,000-$20,000. Cars like Honda or Toyota or old school ford outlast this ev cars
@elmohead
@elmohead 10 ай бұрын
​@@thezfamily989Chinese ev taxis often reach 1,000,000 KMs and battery degradation is only about 15%.
@thewatcher5822
@thewatcher5822 10 ай бұрын
@@thezfamily989 Car batteries are nothing like Phone batteries. EV's come with a sophisticated energy management system, which phones do not. Modern EV batteries will outlive the car, as long as they are looked after.
@PazLeBon
@PazLeBon 10 ай бұрын
@@thewatcher5822 not really, some phones have mangemnt sytems too nowadays :)
@natej6671
@natej6671 10 ай бұрын
@@thezfamily989 ICE vehices have batteries too and in the space of 10 years you'll likely be spending money on spark plugs, filters, batteries, transmissions & engine maintenance, tune ups, oil changes, the list goes on. If someone had to spend 20k in 10 years to buy another battery that equates to 2k a year or about $166 a month ... far cheaper than an ICE car.
@MicahBratt
@MicahBratt 10 ай бұрын
I love the idea of a simple magnet which cleans up the roads. Simple and effective!
@syproful
@syproful 10 ай бұрын
And really, Storch has nor to fear. Active magnet systems are a niche combining electrical and mechanical fabrication. I wish them luck,they will do good.
@darelljohnson5696
@darelljohnson5696 10 ай бұрын
I certainly don’t advocate for insensitivity towards one’s making a living, but a part of this conversation is how this industry negatively impacts the vehicle consumer who pays the equivalent of the cost of the vehicle in repairs due to the complex engine design and the economy of faulty parts that need to be constantly replaced. I don’t think an industry, for the sake of commerce, should exist at the expense of a the consumer. There are definitely problems created so that they can be temporarily resolved at the motorists expense. So I’m just saying there’s more than just a loss of jobs at play. Some people spend half the incomes the length of their lives on shelter and transportation alone.
@MichaelWashingtonAE
@MichaelWashingtonAE 10 ай бұрын
That is exactly what I have been going through with the Chevy Cobalt... What a $$$ pit GM. I just want to get back into my 1992 Honda for a few years before I step into a Tesla. I'll NEVER buy a GM or Ford made car again ever.
@RosscoAW
@RosscoAW 10 ай бұрын
"I don’t think an industry, for the sake of commerce, should exist at the expense of a the consumer." Bruh, that's literally the point of capitalism, unironically. What are you even talking about; pretending a variant of capitalism exists that's somehow good, righteous, and just? My guy, you identified the problem already -- under capitalism, with fiduciary duty rendering Board Directors personally legally liable for any decision that doesn't result in the maximum profit for the company, it is quite literally impossible for any industry to not be predicated on existing solely for the sake of commerce at the expense of consumers (and it's employees, an important distinction you left out). To be clear, I'm not ridiculing you or your comment, but highlighting the logical inconsistency and how to carry your true statement to it's logical conclusion: capitalism itself is the problem, for it exists to ensure profit maximization, period, end discussion, and therefore all consumers and employees are the source of profit in all situations (except where you can substitute it with slavery, as in the American prison-industrial complex, where slavery of prisoners is entrenched in the US constitution because #WhyTheFuckNot #MURICA). Capitalism is the problem you've identified. The whole problem, and the root problem. The solution, therefore, should be obvious: economic democracy, not economic authoritarianism (which is what corporations are). Workplace democracy, co-operatives, employee ownership, unionization, etc. Those are, at least, the solutions to the current problem, and the only appropriate solutions; everything else is distractions invented by the bourgeois state to pacify the complacent, ignorantly complicit masses and to prevent them from achieving class consciousness.
@andrerodriguez7603
@andrerodriguez7603 10 ай бұрын
Don’t forget the other middle man involved here. The dealership, which costs the consumers an arm and a leg to maintain their new cars. I’ve owned a 2018 Tesla model 3 for 5 years. Has 45K mileage, maintenance has been the 12V battery, left and right control arm ball joints, hvac filter. Nothing else, that it. Oh, everything replaced under warranty with no charge. Oh,they also replaced the right rear lens, got moisture in it. Replaced under warranty also. Most work done at my home. I’ll definitely buy another Tesla in two years when my warranty runs out.
@magnasquids7864
@magnasquids7864 10 ай бұрын
​@@RosscoAWDo you have an example of that solution?
@ronblack7870
@ronblack7870 10 ай бұрын
@@RosscoAW confiscation like you speak is not the answer. it leads to stagnation.
@RS-uh7rz
@RS-uh7rz 10 ай бұрын
In Storch, you picked a very interesting small business to concentrate on, with an insightful and well-spoken executive -
@YoushaAhmad
@YoushaAhmad 10 ай бұрын
I like how this company is exploring new opportunities. A business that doesn't adapt or innovate is a business that is in decline. Also, like the ideas of the magnet sweepers, good for the environment for the waterways and good for car tyres. I would like to see both being used where I live.
@buildmotosykletist1987
@buildmotosykletist1987 5 ай бұрын
So you want the tyre repair business to fail, costing jobs and livelihoods. (nudge, wink, wink).
@dlewis8405
@dlewis8405 10 ай бұрын
A business does not necessarily have to be passed down to the next generation. Most people work for about 30 or 40 years. So the owner can retire, sell the business or wind it down, and give support to their kids to train for the jobs of the present.
@JunkSock
@JunkSock 10 ай бұрын
Just learn to code bro!!!!
@keithwisdom1663
@keithwisdom1663 10 ай бұрын
​@@JunkSockyou gotta follow gifts and passions.... Accountant engineer stem online selling products stock trading real estate ETC a lot more than coding
@chiquita683
@chiquita683 10 ай бұрын
Yes the auto industry was created making cars people wanted to own, now it makes EVs. Its unlikely to continue and doesnt need to
@InclusiveOrange
@InclusiveOrange 10 ай бұрын
Easy right? Corporations get bailed out by the government for failing or “slowing down” but the small business owner has to “keep up with the times” or “explore new industries” when lobbyists and special interests position the market. This logic doesn’t apply on a global scale. Key word: Liberty
@davefroman4700
@davefroman4700 10 ай бұрын
Sure. But what about the millions of workers in those industries who are just struggling to get by as it is?
@sgardi2
@sgardi2 10 ай бұрын
I purchased a chevy volt years ago and traded it when the warranty ran out. A replacement battery is 25K as they stopped making them. Thats insane!
@keaganscott5956
@keaganscott5956 10 ай бұрын
Very interesting.... I'm a commercial automotive fabricator and I'm actually excited to see where EV takes the industry.... at my company I make all the xxx replacement parts for trucks. But if the industry starts to shift you need to shift with it and invest in the necessary equipment to meet the product's and demand. Like I understand that EV is the future but we will always have diesel trucks.... just because the drive train is electric, doesn't mean the bumper brackets change...
@josephherrera6656
@josephherrera6656 10 ай бұрын
​@@geocam2 not anytime soon. Semi trucks are different from cars. Cars haul people, semis haul products ranging from a few thousand pounds to 80k pounds. Then there is the terrain they travel on too. That's a lot of battery power you are going to need there and it also needs to be as efficient as desiel and needs to be able to charge the batteries in minutes not hours, as time is money.
@ronblack7870
@ronblack7870 10 ай бұрын
@@josephherrera6656 it's going to be significantly cheaper to run an electric truck because fuel is expensive and diesel is no more than 40% efficient vs electric at 90+% . so it will mean more time charging but MONEY is the driving force. eventually there will be electric trucks that run autonomously on the highways pull in to the terminal . then the load get separated and delivered locally by drivers.
@HairyNumbNuts
@HairyNumbNuts 10 ай бұрын
@@josephherrera6656 Sorry, but you're way out of date. Electric heavy vehicles are on the roads and multiplying. A lot of people are investing and researching. They didn't exist 10 years ago, they're on the road now, and they will be much better in 10 more years and completely dominant. There are companies like one in Australia that do battery swaps for fleet vehicles - 50 ton trucks, too - and the battery swap is about three times faster than the typical 10-15 minute fueling time for a big diesel rig. And that's today - tomorrow there will be more and better options.
@PazLeBon
@PazLeBon 10 ай бұрын
@@josephherrera6656 batteries hate weight and heat too so 10m range in texas lol
@shirishag75able
@shirishag75able 10 ай бұрын
@@PazLeBon You need to check out the semi-solid batteries being made by CATL. Condensed batteries. They are gonna use it for aviation. And that is today, as shared by people who knows about tomorrow.
@ennz2798
@ennz2798 10 ай бұрын
Who wants to deal with transmission issues and random bills all the time...
@ImpreccablePony
@ImpreccablePony 10 ай бұрын
Workshops, car manufacturers, and second-hand parts dealers, that's who! Customers? Welp, who ever thinks of those guys...
@Eric-yr4pt
@Eric-yr4pt 10 ай бұрын
Who wants to pay for gas and oil all the time...
@Tron-Jockey
@Tron-Jockey 10 ай бұрын
EV's will have much less maintenance and much lower cost-to-own over their lifetime. Just look under the hood. Electric motors have essentially one moving part. None of the hundreds of points of wear-n-tear or failure that Gasoline vehicles have. None of the extreme heat and vibration that prematurely degrades everything under the hood (hoses, belts, wiring, sensors, gaskets, seals). EV's have no need for serpentine belts or associated pumps, pulleys, bushings or bearings. No alternator, mechanical water pump or high temperature, high pressure engine cooling system needed. No starter motor needed. No coil packs or ignition control modules. No fuel injectors, fuel pressure regulators, fuel pumps, or fuel injection control modules. No transmission or power steering pump, so no oils or filters. No exhaust system, O2 sensors or catalytic converters. And now with the latest batteries are lasting over 1500 full charge cycles (over 3000 for the new LMFP chemistry being used by Ford and Tesla), an EV with just 250 miles of range per charge cycle, after 1500 charge cycles, will have FAR outlived the typical gasoline engine. Do the math.
@kevinwright4088
@kevinwright4088 10 ай бұрын
A good new manual hybrid technology would do good work for a young person.
@mustg4891
@mustg4891 10 ай бұрын
​@@Tron-Jockeyelectric car fanboy
@teardowndan5364
@teardowndan5364 9 ай бұрын
An EV power train has 1000+ parts too: the battery pack has 100-250 cells, each cell needs a BMS wire, then you have all of the cooling, structural, safety and other stuff on top. The fixed reduction gearbox and differential between the electric motor and half-shafts is easily 20+ parts in itself. The motor inverter is hundreds of parts too between the power FETs, their drivers, support components, mounting hardware, etc. You are only trading mechanical complexity for electrical complexity. Total non-trivial parts (not breaking down bearings to individual balls or PCBs down to SMD resistors and capacitors) count are likely similar.
@JamieStLouis-tu9ml
@JamieStLouis-tu9ml 7 ай бұрын
This is one of the more intelligent contents I have seen one here by far.
@computron5824
@computron5824 5 ай бұрын
Yes, it's funny how no one else mentioned this.
@alberto211393
@alberto211393 9 ай бұрын
If anything this suggests that EVs should be far cheaper to manufacture, once they have better economy of scale. Logically removing suppliers, middlemen and labour out of the equation yields cheaper product. Excited to see what the industry will look like in 10 years!
@joshuawrubel9758
@joshuawrubel9758 10 ай бұрын
I don't wish a downfall of any of these types of companies, but as a potential owner of a car, I will much rather have the car with 20 components in the drivetrain than the car with 2,000.
@PazLeBon
@PazLeBon 10 ай бұрын
cool. go spend 50k
@HighlordFrancis
@HighlordFrancis 10 ай бұрын
@@PazLeBon lol u mad? 😆
@zoobrizz
@zoobrizz 10 ай бұрын
I have no desire to purchase an AV Anxiety Vehicle.
@zoobrizz
@zoobrizz 10 ай бұрын
@@HighlordFrancis. No. He has common sense
@joshuawrubel9758
@joshuawrubel9758 10 ай бұрын
@@PazLeBon You mean on a gas vehicle? Because the average new vehicle price in the United States is currently about $47,000, and that's with Electric Vehicles only making up about 6-9% of new vehicle purchases, so the bulk of the volume making up this $47k average is gas or hybrid vehicles (the latter of which have even more drivetrain components). I did, in fact, buy a $50k EV myself a year ago and have been pretty happy with the car so far. EVs don't work for every person's driving habits and living situation, but mine has worked out well for me.
@dxd42
@dxd42 10 ай бұрын
Here in Brazil one huge sell point for any car is if the parts are fabricated locally, no one here in Brazil wants to buy a car from a company that dont have a local manufacturing and parts supply due to the dolar being more expansive with time, import a specific part can be VERY expansive. In other hand because the cost of production in Brazil being much lower, specially with workforce and electricity, the parts fabricated here are much more affordable with the same quality levels as US and Europe.
@edscr87
@edscr87 10 ай бұрын
Brazil has ridiculously high taxes for imports goods.
@dxd42
@dxd42 9 ай бұрын
@@phillipbanes5484 Sorry, European Union.
@Leafbinder
@Leafbinder 10 ай бұрын
Just imagine that, Less parts to break down and have to repair, Just remember that the next time your transmission starts to go out. or you blow a head gasket or heater core.
@JasonB808
@JasonB808 10 ай бұрын
The reason why hospitals didn’t reach back for those magnetic dust filters is because hospitals already use HEPA filter in their AC. 😅 The road magnet seems like a good idea but I don’t think it will be as effective as a normal road sweeper that works on all sorts of debris and not just metal. 😅
@3321far
@3321far 10 ай бұрын
There is still tons of opportunities. The final drives still can be tweaked, you can add 2 or 3 speed transmissions to improve the top end speed, limited slip transfers to improve handling, etc. If you are a hot rodder you won't get as greasy or have hundreds of parts lying around your work shop.
@vishnu2699
@vishnu2699 10 ай бұрын
10 years of quality driving, acceleration is better than trash ICE.
@Rhaman68
@Rhaman68 3 ай бұрын
Yes, there “ARE opportunities.” Thanks.
@mistergoodcitizen9914
@mistergoodcitizen9914 2 ай бұрын
Hahahaha hot rodders won’t buy EVs.
@DougiePlaysSoccer
@DougiePlaysSoccer 10 ай бұрын
It’s tough pill to swallow. But this is a necessary movement if we want to see a positive change in out climate. Businesses should adapt and evolve if they want to see their companies thrive. I hope videos like this won’t deter folks from supporting the EV revolution.
@PazLeBon
@PazLeBon 10 ай бұрын
how the fook are millions o people iwth no money and a 5k car gonna buy an ev? they arent!
@wemakecookie
@wemakecookie 10 ай бұрын
​@@PazLeBonMillions are already buying EVs. The prices are and will continue to come down as the technology scales up.
@nelsond5361
@nelsond5361 10 ай бұрын
I have been asking myself this question for a while now. Thanks guys
@jplabrecque6708
@jplabrecque6708 10 ай бұрын
The fact that is, with tesla going full integration, other OEM will be forced to follow, leaving suppliers behind. There will always be suppliers, just about 1/20 will make the transition
@ronblack7870
@ronblack7870 10 ай бұрын
tesla also has tons of suppliers.
@jplabrecque6708
@jplabrecque6708 10 ай бұрын
@@ronblack7870 yes, but not near as many as other car makers, and shrinking all the time. As tesla switches to 48v , almost all parts will be made in house, eliminating even more suppliers. Most tesla suppliers are small components, not finished parts. For example, tesla makes their own side mirrors, buying components for the mirrors, while gm, Ford, etc. Just buy the finished mirror.
@vlhc4642
@vlhc4642 10 ай бұрын
@@jplabrecque6708 More than half of all Tesla are now made in China, your "in-house" just means made in China using parts from Chinese suppliers
@joaquimbarbosa896
@joaquimbarbosa896 10 ай бұрын
Lets say one of them becomes the TSMC of car parts, in that case they would survive, as 100% integration is next to impossible
@bltzcstrnx
@bltzcstrnx 10 ай бұрын
@@vlhc4642 made in China in their own factory. Shanghai Gigafactory is one of the largest ones owned by Tesla. So it's still somewhat in-house.
@GianLombardo
@GianLombardo 10 ай бұрын
The difference in parts between ic and ev is that those "20" parts they mention split into a million more parts on the inside. This is worrying on the aftermarket because if there is no competition OEM manufacturers can charge whatever they want for those parts. The cost of the parts also plays a big role. Not the same when 300 parts of an ic vehicle equals 3 times less on the cost of 1 part for the ev. Ive been a long time in the auto industry. Lack of competition is never good for the end user. The way government is forcing the change is not good and that is being completely neutral. Theres a lot of issues that dont have an answer and at the end of the day is the consumer the one whos going to pay the price.
@johnbee7729
@johnbee7729 10 ай бұрын
I like these videos as they are quite informative. What detracts from it is the deep dive in to one single business from all those impacted.
@adrianmonk4440
@adrianmonk4440 10 ай бұрын
The business school, Text Book, in-depth example is useful. When talking with ANYONE, their point of view & some of their emotions will ALWAYS come across. Try to FIX a wife (spouse).
@theotheleo6830
@theotheleo6830 10 ай бұрын
That rolling magnet won't pick up nonferrous debris that are both hazardous to tires and drivers. So the road crew would have to have another road sweeping truck follow the magnet truck, which makes the magnet roller superfluous.
@nickg2561
@nickg2561 10 ай бұрын
Most nails and screws are iron. I would bet 90 percent of tire punctures are magnetic items.
@ShotGunner5609
@ShotGunner5609 10 ай бұрын
You are right. But in my slightly over 1 million miles of driving, 80% + of tire replacements were from puncures from metal objects like bolts and nails. Way more bolts than you'd believe too. Like 4 inch long ones.
@theotheleo6830
@theotheleo6830 10 ай бұрын
@@nickg2561 A sweeper truck can take care of nails, screws, and all of the rest.
@kingofrivia1248
@kingofrivia1248 10 ай бұрын
We can nont stagnate. Germany is a great example it was building the worlds best solar arrays and wind turbines and the german government decided to subsidize coal and to discourage building solar factories, and now they decide to finally go green and they have to import EVERYTHING while they could have millions of jobs exporting solar and wind parts. Instead we still have people working jobs in highly subsidized coal….its so stupid
@Sacto1654
@Sacto1654 10 ай бұрын
The two issues are getting EV drive motors and *ESPECIALLY* battery packs. That's why Tesla ended up building their own battery packs to get a steady supply of them.
@joeearley3351
@joeearley3351 10 ай бұрын
Tesla will not survive when you have less expensive choices
@creaper120
@creaper120 10 ай бұрын
Interesting prediction. Whats your reasoning? Tesla has a big following almost cult like such as Apple. I do think they will lose marketshare but most other manufacturer are struggling with their EV shares currently.
@pranaym3859
@pranaym3859 10 ай бұрын
​@@joeearley3351​​I don't think, anyone can undercut the price of Tesla. Even if someone made it, it'll have super high markups just like Maverick. Only few are capable of achieving lower price than Tesla like BYD, Nio but they're from China, and it is impossible for them to enter NA. As much as I don't like Musk, Model 3 is the only car that I can get in a month or two without paying outrageous price.
@benpeterson7530
@benpeterson7530 10 ай бұрын
@@creaper120 I'll say I am not sure what will happen with Tesla long term. I see challenges and advantages for them. Some of the advantages are their current market share, and with that comes brand loyalty. Their technology is in my perception the current best (especially the driver aids, and how fast their cars are). Some disadvantages that I perceive are things like their manufacturing prowess (I don't think they have quality like Toyota, and that is comparing Tesla's EV to Toyota's IC cars, with a Toyota EV, it is almost for sure going to be ultra reliable). I believe their stock price is overvalued. Last time I checked their market cap is more than Toyota. That doesn't make sense to me, but I don't know everything haha. If that were to correct to where I would think it should be, I'd think they would lose a lot of RND money. Their cars are expensive. I feel not as many will justify the purchase price for Tesla when there are options for 60-70% price for a similar product. There is also a possibility that those that will buy one, already have, and won't need a new one for at least a few years. Most of their disadvantages could be overcome. They seem to be expanding production, and perhaps with that quality improves, and costs and therefore price goes down.
@creaper120
@creaper120 10 ай бұрын
@@benpeterson7530 A couple things to note, I have a M3 so I may be biased. 😵 But I am actually quite impressed with the build quality currently. I think there are issues but most of the build quality concerns have been addressed. My biggest issue with the car is honestly the performance tires being stretched for the wheels and the lack of cladding(typical of most cars). I do think the stock price is over valued. That hinges on some stuff that is beyond me. (like FSD which I did not buy mostly due to the price) I think the price is key expecially in a market like we are currently in. When the average person is able to put up the money for an EV they will do so. I think the prices will go down with innovation and supply chain increases. Also the EV car should outlast an ICE car for the money according to my research but that's just my research and there might exist bias.
@peterbland7227
@peterbland7227 10 ай бұрын
I suspect the same will be true for independent car repair shops.
@companymen42
@companymen42 10 ай бұрын
About the precious metal issue, I think the number is like 99% of the precious metals can be recovered from the batteries. Old EV batteries can be recycled into solar energy storage batteries. In my experience, I’ve never had range anxiety because of the frequent availability of destination chargers. The price of EVs is still a major issue and so is charging time, but just like the adoption of solid state drives, the price will come down over time and the technology will improve.
@KingSobieski
@KingSobieski 10 ай бұрын
There's actually no way to recover the metals from a battery. The metals are combined and then later, in teslas case, they use spray foam inside the battery pack. Good luck getting all those metals separated again.
@fetB
@fetB 10 ай бұрын
@@KingSobieski Tesla foam things is pretty bad, indeed. Otherwise it wouldnt be a big problem. I dunno about 99% but its pretty high. Thing is, there arent nearly enough old batteries to even attempt to make recycling economically. The oldest original teslas are barely 10yrs old and those batteries can still be used in back up storage.
@Shmancyfancy536
@Shmancyfancy536 5 ай бұрын
Range anxiety is just paranoid delusions.
@datianlongan5567
@datianlongan5567 10 ай бұрын
Our industry will endure, adapt, and then thrive again. It always has. Life changes daily. Only Death stands still.
@beyondfossil
@beyondfossil 10 ай бұрын
💯
@pratikbhaumik2748
@pratikbhaumik2748 10 ай бұрын
Change or die as simple as that.
@zoobrizz
@zoobrizz 10 ай бұрын
Karen
@darthvader4209
@darthvader4209 10 ай бұрын
Giving the example of solar panel manufacturers in USA who were shuttered is a wrong comparison. These firms were shuttered not due to low demand; they closed bcos they were not price competitive
@zoobrizz
@zoobrizz 10 ай бұрын
I have no desire to purchase an AV Anxiety Vehicle.
@protovack
@protovack 10 ай бұрын
If parts suppliers didn't re-tool to make EV parts, then they ignored the entire past 10 years of geopolitics and technology advances. If you are in charge of a large business and you ignored those things for ten years, should you really be running a business? This same issue is playing out in EU and Japan, and its exactly the same everywhere. The businesses that chose to adapt and change are thriving, those that buried their head in the sand are going to go out of business.
@hardyvonwinterstein5445
@hardyvonwinterstein5445 10 ай бұрын
Very solid analysis. In the case of Storch, I would change to militairy business. These strong magnets can be really useful in a minefield or booby trapped area.
@marknc9616
@marknc9616 3 ай бұрын
Look back near the turn of the Nineteenth Century. Horses, wagons, and carriages were the norm. In those days, when someone would have car trouble, a common response was, "Get a horse."
@kaderferhat2495
@kaderferhat2495 10 ай бұрын
Show a politician how he can line his pockets and he’ll make your product mandatory
@MikeyCarter1974
@MikeyCarter1974 10 ай бұрын
Very old problem. Watch a video on the history of the people who used to carve out blocks of ice from frozen lakes for ice boxes. If they still existed they'd be getting hit from all sides right now.
@zoobrizz
@zoobrizz 10 ай бұрын
I have no desire to purchase an AV Anxiety Vehicle.
@MikeyCarter1974
@MikeyCarter1974 10 ай бұрын
@@zoobrizz I'll bite... why anxiety vehicle?
@satriojumeneng7055
@satriojumeneng7055 10 ай бұрын
As a customer of combustion engine cars, I have been fooled by mechanics almost the entire of my life. I do hope the EV cars are much more human in terms of how mechanics treat their customers.
@GeneralChangOfDanang
@GeneralChangOfDanang 10 ай бұрын
That would be nice, unfortunately it will be even uglier. Electric cars are extremely locked down and many have multiple subscription models attached to them. It won't be the mechanic screwing you, it will be coming directly from the car company this time.
@jaxvoice718
@jaxvoice718 10 ай бұрын
​@@GeneralChangOfDanang They definitely will try where they got the chance. Which is why pro-competition regulations are crucial. Anti-competitive patterns and behaviours must be struck down.
@Slipher26
@Slipher26 10 ай бұрын
My wife and I own 2 EVs, so far after 2 year, we’ve only done tire rotations. We have 40,000 miles on one car and 16,000 on the other. It has saved us a lot of money especially is fuel cost. My whole family seems to be transitioning. Change will be hard for many, but innovating is a must for any society. I hope that some of these companies understand and adapt as quickly as they can.
@bingosunnoon9341
@bingosunnoon9341 10 ай бұрын
The same battery I charge two thousand dollars for are being sold for six thousand dollars by mechanics who learned that fleecing the customer was the key to profitability.
@BigBodyPresence
@BigBodyPresence 10 ай бұрын
45k km on my EV in less than a year and I havent had to go to a mechanic or dealer once sooo…
@aceroadholder2185
@aceroadholder2185 7 ай бұрын
They forgot to mention that generally EVs are not reparable. That's why insurance companies write off EVs as total losses for what would otherwise be a minor accident. Insurance premiums are starting to reflect this. In the UK rates have more than tripled for EVs. As far as the brave new EV world, EV sales have stalled at about 8% of new car sales. Not exactly a ringing endorsement. The government hanging a $7,000 porkchop on the door handle needs to be tripled to foist these cars on the public.
@waywardgeologist2520
@waywardgeologist2520 10 ай бұрын
The price point for ev to ice being on par will happen around 2025, and the demand for all those replacement parts will drop. Horrible economics for suppliers but great economics for consumers with reduced cost of ownership.
@hoffrun
@hoffrun 10 ай бұрын
I think the USA for valid reasons will be the last territory to adopt EVs. As the rest of the world is solidly driving EVs , the US will slowly adopt and lose the ability to be a supply chain player with EVs.
@LionheartLivin
@LionheartLivin 10 ай бұрын
Last? I mean after China and Europe makes sense, but like after Kazakhstan? After Mongolia? After Uruguay? After Ghana?
@00_UU
@00_UU 10 ай бұрын
@@LionheartLivinhe is right. EV growth in China is explosive and when EV prices will get extremely low Kazakhstan and Ghana will import all of their new cars from China (EV cars that is).
@vlhc4642
@vlhc4642 10 ай бұрын
@@LionheartLivin China just overtook Japan to became the world's largest auto exporter, and they aren't selling their cars to USA
@steveperyer4850
@steveperyer4850 10 ай бұрын
EV will not stop the car parts market, especially with as many fuel driven vehicles in the world. Eventually the market will switch some but batteries, braces wheels, and many electrical sensors will still be needed, as well as tires and wheels, shocks, and struts etc. 😊
@lelnin
@lelnin 10 ай бұрын
Most border states will be fine. They will go to Mexico for auto parts.
@darthvader4209
@darthvader4209 10 ай бұрын
It’s the engine and drivetrain related manufacturers that will be adversely affected
@samueladitya1729
@samueladitya1729 10 ай бұрын
EVs are heavier, so the suspension systems should wear faster
@wemakecookie
@wemakecookie 10 ай бұрын
​@@samueladitya1729They probably won't be heavier for too much longer. The batteries are getting better and lighter.
@kevinpolito1529
@kevinpolito1529 10 ай бұрын
Just like the lightbulb industry shook up the oil-lamp industry. Just like electronics put legions of telephone operators out of work.
@zoobrizz
@zoobrizz 10 ай бұрын
Hilarious 🤡
@mikeybroski3686
@mikeybroski3686 10 ай бұрын
@@zoobrizzThe first stage is denial.
@whatever_12
@whatever_12 10 ай бұрын
That road debris magnet is awesome.. They could try reaching out to road sweeper manufacturer
@NCXDesigns
@NCXDesigns 10 ай бұрын
Perfect example of what people gain from owning an EV. Less maintenance less overall cost of maintaining it. In a combustion engine vehicle, best comparison is when we went from steam locomotives to diesel electric locomotives. A steam locomotive was very high maintenance and while it was best for its time it was phased out by cheaper and less maintenance required locomotives. With each transition we perfect technology and cars are no different.
@justinjones6810
@justinjones6810 10 ай бұрын
If I were that first company I would start figuring out how to make magnets for the ev engines to diversify the products they offer
@compaqdeskpro5770
@compaqdeskpro5770 10 ай бұрын
That seemed too obvious to not mention, magnetism is the core of an electric motor. If he's vetting Chinese suppliers, perhaps they don't want him doing that.
@johndionisio9192
@johndionisio9192 10 ай бұрын
They are metal fabricators, not a refinery, that's an entirely new business that needs a lot of capital and a cheap source of raw material which is china, if he is just going to import his raw material from china makes magnet then ship it back to china for assembly, I don't know how would they compete with byd
@paulburton8264
@paulburton8264 10 ай бұрын
These stupid governments had better get a clue. A lot of people are going to be out of work, and very, very unhappy. Plus way less taxes
@Shane-zl9ry
@Shane-zl9ry 10 ай бұрын
I own two EV’s… I’m never going back. 🤘🏼😎⚡️
@WildReefer
@WildReefer 10 ай бұрын
EV motors still need magnets, and some newer designs even need permanent magnets like the older motor designs used, only modified for increased efficiency. A company like Storch may be perfectly positioned to exploit that if they are smart. That said, the feeling is that the entire automotive maintenance industry, such as local garages that survive on replacing broken parts and servicing ICE vehicles, are being kept on life support artificially. Case in point being the fact that EV's require a lot less maintenance than ICE vehicles because there are fewer physical components to break in the drivetrain. A good example would be the one-pedal driving mode in EV's that uses the engine to slow the vehicle instead of the brakes. This means that your disks and pads are going to last a lot longer than they did in ICE vehicles. It also makes them less important as a safety measure, as they are gradually consigned to becoming an emergency backup system for motor braking. This and many other aspects of EV's are going to make visits to the garage less frequent - but, critically, we are seeing manufacturers requiring that their EV's be serviced as regularly as ICE vehicles - when in truth in most cases these EV's only really need to be serviced once every two or three years. Often the "service" is basically checking the tires condition and wear, fluid levels and brakes. It feels like the auto industry is trying to keep traditional garages alive at the customers expense. Even if the overall amount of flaws in a vehicle remains unchanged, the actual type of flaws will change, as more and more often we will see most of the issues being software issues that will be resolved via over the air updates, and fewer physical issues, increasingly. What will we be left with? After market 3rd party upgrades and customisations, and body shops that will probably use 3D printing to produce replacement panels on the spot. I think that mechanics as we knew them are a dying breed unless they adapt to the new tech swiftly.
@connclissmann6514
@connclissmann6514 10 ай бұрын
Find new products for EVs, find new non-vehicular customers or shrink. We all just have to stop burning stuff.
@robertpalmer3166
@robertpalmer3166 10 ай бұрын
EVs require the burning of stuff.
@connclissmann6514
@connclissmann6514 10 ай бұрын
@@robertpalmer3166 Far less stuff than in the life of an ICE car. Batteries can be recycled at end of life; petrol and diesel can't.
@GeorgeChuy
@GeorgeChuy 10 ай бұрын
I could still well recollect a catchword called 'invisible champions', most of which are in Germany and sit in the supply chains of ICE. Most unfortunate for them, if ICE is gone, they will all gone. Though I am not in any sense related to them, but I could well feel their pressure imposed by EV.
@lapprentice
@lapprentice 10 ай бұрын
Technology advancement is not a threat. The incumbent has to adapt or die. These companies will eventually consolidate to survive. It has always been that way historically when a industry shrunk... I don't know why it is even "different" this time.
@ocampbell1954
@ocampbell1954 10 ай бұрын
You've got evolve or end up like those coalmining and assembly line states crying about old industries.
@dannmarceau9743
@dannmarceau9743 10 ай бұрын
Absolutely.
@lelnin
@lelnin 10 ай бұрын
They will just move to Mexico.
@GeneralChangOfDanang
@GeneralChangOfDanang 10 ай бұрын
Yeah, it's going to be exciting when we enter WW3 with no manufacturing capacity.
@mikafiltenborg7572
@mikafiltenborg7572 10 ай бұрын
‼️⚠️Tesla model Y will be the most sold carmodel on planet Earth in year 2023 and year 2024 😊
@EireSaber
@EireSaber 10 ай бұрын
Do you know where model 3 is on that scale?
@zilverzero
@zilverzero 10 ай бұрын
EV powertrains have way more than 20 parts... motors are less complex than engines. Batteries are more complex than fuel tanks. With the increase of technology that comes from electric mobility, more parts will be needed for other platforms (going from parts for combustion cars to EV, eletric airplanes, etc.)
@frankcoffey
@frankcoffey 6 ай бұрын
The parts to make a gas car are going to get really expensive. Great report by the way this show quickly delivers the major issues.
@Danny-fs1hk
@Danny-fs1hk 10 ай бұрын
I love these CNBC business topic videos
@davefroman4700
@davefroman4700 10 ай бұрын
Declining economies of scale have crushed every incumbent business model in history that has been hit with a technology disruption. The entire fossil fuel based infrastructure will implode over the next few years.
@floydphillipsco
@floydphillipsco 10 ай бұрын
"budgets are made [to deal with problems, not to solve them]" That statement describes America perfectly...
@kabysummit5801
@kabysummit5801 10 ай бұрын
The status quo and the cutting edge are having a dance. Two pronged going forward. A little like capital vs. Bau.
@garoo1980
@garoo1980 10 ай бұрын
This is fine but obviously aimed at the exclusively American audience. Worldwide gas car sales are down 20% and EV sales are taking up most of that slack. The US isn't there yet but it's worth noting
@DavidJao
@DavidJao 10 ай бұрын
The video refers to the EV transition as a "problem". I do not agree that replacing 2000-part internal combustion engines with 20-part electric drivetrains is a problem. I call that progress.
@anonymoususer1824
@anonymoususer1824 10 ай бұрын
And how do you suppose millions of people charge their cars on the current grid system lol. Good luck with that. And batteries are made from mining which is done using fosil fuels.
@LionheartLivin
@LionheartLivin 10 ай бұрын
@@anonymoususer1824 Hi! As time goes on older apartment dwellings will install EV chargers, many have already started and new dwellings are and will continue to have more legislation to build with EV chargers and often solar. Only thing that matters with regards to mining is overall where is the smaller impact, fossil fuels or EVs. A bit silly to think it isn't fossil fuels, it's in the name.
@DavidJao
@DavidJao 10 ай бұрын
@@anonymoususer1824 Thank you for parroting false myths #5 and #8 about electric vehicles. Here's the true facts. Even if every single car in the country magically transformed into an EV overnight, electric vehicles charge at night, and the total electric demand of all these hypothetical vehicles would be only 1/6th of the current daytime peak, well within the capabilities of the existing grid even with zero upgrades. Mining: yes, mining uses fossil fuels, but much less of it. A single electric vehicle needs 63kg of lithium over its entire lifespan as a vehicle. A single gasoline vehicle needs 10000kg of gasoline over its entire lifespan as a vehicle. Pretty obviously, mining 63kg of lithium uses less fossil fuels than mining 10000kg of crude oil. It takes more fossil fuels to mine the oil used for gasoline vehicles than to mine the materials used for a battery. It takes more fossil fuels to refine the oil for a gasoline vehicle into gasoline than to mine the materials used for a battery. It takes more fossil fuels to operate the tanker trucks needed to bring that gasoline to your gas station than to mine the materials needed for a battery. **I am not even including the gasoline itself which is burned to propel the vehicle!** This is just the fossil fuels needed to get that gasoline into your tank.
@madboyreadynow28
@madboyreadynow28 10 ай бұрын
It’s time to change. This was a trend that started about 12 years ago when Elon started Tesla. Although there was no large market for EV parts. These companies had time to make the transition to begin the process to use their money to build new plants and to learn and study about EVs and the parts needed for those cars, trucks, trains and so on. Everything today that requires a human to operate will eventually be automated. These companies have had time to transition and prepare. I work for a software company. We’re moving from a web base platform to a cloud base platform. My company told us about this back in 2014. We’re going live in 2024. Those who didn’t prepare will be laid off. Those of us who took it serious will stay and continue. American companies feel entitled and this is a problem that will eventually hurt our jobs market and economy. These companies have had more then enough time to change course.
@cobaltblue1975
@cobaltblue1975 10 ай бұрын
Imagine how the entire horse and buggy industry was turned upside down once the car became mainstream.
@T0198
@T0198 7 ай бұрын
It's all marketing, at least half of the car is the same. You need disc brakes, pads, calipers, brake lines, abs pump and brake fuild which requires maintenance, all the suspension parts, bushings, arms wishbones, springs, and shocks. Transmission shafts, differentials, hand brake. All steering parts, steering rack, inner/outer rod, air conditioning/heating, cooling system, all interior parts, windows mechanism, door locks, etc. So, 20 parts? The car has a lot of parts and most are the same you only replace the engine and Transmission, even the 12v battery is there.
@javionriley8739
@javionriley8739 10 ай бұрын
Yeap! Gas engine/car 2000 parts Electric car: 20 parts Each part represents a job/manufacturer!! Do the math
@LordLoMR2
@LordLoMR2 10 ай бұрын
The best part about EVs is they don’t rust out as easily. My tesla was bought new in the Midwest and went through 3 winters there. Only thing that started rusting was strangely the wheel studs. 😂 Wife’s gas suv on the other hand, engine mounts, exhaust, suspension, and parts of the frame rusting out. 😢
@thirdstar9255
@thirdstar9255 10 ай бұрын
you belong in jail, not on the roads.
@ShiningSakura
@ShiningSakura 10 ай бұрын
If it ever floods though, especially sea water...... your tesla is toast for good. No saving it from that damage and eventual consuming electrical fire.
@LordLoMR2
@LordLoMR2 9 ай бұрын
@@ShiningSakura any car is toast when exposed to sea water. You’ll have salt rusting the frames from the inside out. 😂
@ShiningSakura
@ShiningSakura 9 ай бұрын
@@LordLoMR2 Of course any car will get rusted out with salt water given enough water. Cars don't do well in a bath level of water, I'm talking low level floods. Should have specified that, my bad. Ever heard of cable gate? Its an issue with electric cars. One shouldn't have to coat cables or pay extra to sleeve them in an attempt to protect them from corrosion from regular use or replacement for $6000 or more depending on the car.
@briancoreas1147
@briancoreas1147 10 ай бұрын
The secondary market will maintain the combustion engine vehicles when the OEM makers cut back.
@LionheartLivin
@LionheartLivin 10 ай бұрын
true!!!;)
@MooreDoing
@MooreDoing 10 ай бұрын
I like that Storch is doing. Good company.
@Michael7477
@Michael7477 10 ай бұрын
20 parts in an electric vehicle powertrain ??? 😂😂😂 There goes all the credibility this video may have had.
@InclusiveOrange
@InclusiveOrange 10 ай бұрын
This all seems like a premature victory lab for the EV movement. I’ll buy and install my “ICE” parts many times over before I go Landfill diving for Nickel, Cobalt, etc when EVs inevitably and ironically become non-renewable.
@jonathanf.9395
@jonathanf.9395 10 ай бұрын
Yaaaawwwwwwnnnnnnnn
@LionheartLivin
@LionheartLivin 10 ай бұрын
That's DEFINITELY GONNA HAPPEN!!!!
@darbkavon
@darbkavon 10 ай бұрын
It’s already happening though!! EVs (or rather compelling ones like Teslas) will continue to disrupt big time
@mackenziegray2090
@mackenziegray2090 10 ай бұрын
What are people suppose to do when their job requires traveling with emergency calls and your car battery is dead?
@vitolu6727
@vitolu6727 10 ай бұрын
In China, EVs contributed 20% of new car sales in the first half of this year, with PHEVs contributed 10%. Today, Chinese automakers are only developing internal combustion engines for PHEVs, believing that by doing so they can extend the life of the industry and buy them enough time to convert to EVs.
@Chad_Max
@Chad_Max 10 ай бұрын
Everything will be fine. Very few countries are wealthy enough to transition to EVs b/c its expensive. Most of the world will still be dependent on ICEs well into the future. The car companies will just have diversified products depending on the market...
@jkardez4794
@jkardez4794 10 ай бұрын
Have you seen the cost of the latest ev models ?
@MichaelWashingtonAE
@MichaelWashingtonAE 10 ай бұрын
So you really have not been paying attention to the cars currently being produced and sold in China, India and Thailand. $12,000 to $22,000 cars are an actual thing
@00_UU
@00_UU 10 ай бұрын
You have no idea. GM SAIC already sells 5,000 dollar EV cars in China. Cadillac Lyriq costs 10k less in China just to follow the competition. We are being fed “EVs are expensive” koolaid by greedy companies here in the US, but inflated prices and corrupt monopolies controlling the market is business as usual in the US of A.
@LouisDuran
@LouisDuran 10 ай бұрын
I love hearing this story. ICE motors are more complicated, need more repairs, noisy, dirty and polluting and way, way less efficient. The fact that new engine development has slowed down so much in 8 years is great news. Can't wait until I don't need to hear ICE motors and breathe their pollution.
@petesmitt
@petesmitt 10 ай бұрын
I've just rebuilt my 80's ICE vehicle, so it will go another forty years; there are plenty of people like me, that will continue to drive ICE vehicles for a long time yet and it will be a long time before diesel heavy vehicles are taken off the roads, so I suspect you will be dead before ICE vehicles are no longer around..
@Simon-dm8zv
@Simon-dm8zv 10 ай бұрын
@@petesmitt Yes, they will be around for a pretty much long time, but the numbers will be very low.
@SamHarrisonMusic
@SamHarrisonMusic 10 ай бұрын
this is nuts that a magnet supplier is what they picked. There's magnets in 99% of motors.
@marcussver620
@marcussver620 10 ай бұрын
In Western countries, the scarcity of raw materials is the reason why their cars are more expensive compared to china, which enjoys lower costs due to its control over the supply chain of rare earth elements and many ppl from china can afford it or they can sell their cars to developing(some developed) countries in a affordable prices.
@dertythegrower
@dertythegrower 10 ай бұрын
no.. and no they cannot any longer in the east either.. lack of jobs, i listen to people who live and factory work there
@awsomeboy360
@awsomeboy360 10 ай бұрын
One of the reasons why China has been investing in various African nations where many of those raw material lies.
@lostboy8084
@lostboy8084 10 ай бұрын
Wrong the reason why vehicles are more expensive at least in America is a law that prevents the manufacturing cheaper is automobile dealer.
@connclissmann6514
@connclissmann6514 10 ай бұрын
There are no rare metal minerals in EV batteries.
@jkardez4794
@jkardez4794 10 ай бұрын
China simply screws their workers
@madboyreadynow28
@madboyreadynow28 10 ай бұрын
What people needs to understand about EVs is we are still in the early days of EVs. Similar to the model T or the iPhone when phones went to touch screen. We can look at the past to see how much of a difference these 2 important products have changed over the years. It will be the same with EVs. Today the average range is 300 miles. In 5 years it will be 800. The technology will change over time to improve EVs. There is a manufacturer already installing solar panels on the roof of the car. This will help to power small things in the car. We should be patient to understand EVs are the future. They’re not going anywhere. They will become affordable and better over time. What we have today is amazing so think of what the future of EVs will be in 10 years.
@gui577b
@gui577b 10 ай бұрын
Once upon a time, there was an industry of people who would come knock on your door or shoot a small pebble at your window at a certain time to wake you up for work. They were called "knocker-uppers." The invention of a reliable alarm clock eventually put all of them out of work. There aren't droves of unemployed knocker-uppers walking the streets nowadays. This is what I think when there are sob stories about industries being disrupted by new technology. If you're not willing to be flexible as a highly specialized company or trade worker you will have a bad time in a free-market society.
@jmonsted
@jmonsted 10 ай бұрын
If you've hitched your wagon to a dead horse, don't be surprised if you're going nowhere. Surprisingly, electric motors often have a bunch of magnets in them...
@Ultrajamz
@Ultrajamz 10 ай бұрын
A little misleading to say EVs have few parts. They are just preassembled into larger units visible from the consimer side. Also on “moving parts”, its a bit misleading yet again, because each individual electrical component itself is a point of failure, transistors, capacitors, etc. You see it in some ICE cars with low miles, they still have issues when they get older often related to electronics problems.
@methos-ey9nf
@methos-ey9nf 10 ай бұрын
Agree it's misleading to see EVs have few parts (how many individual cells in a Tesla?). However, I think comparing moving parts is NOT misleading. Moving parts have a set of specific failure modes that are not shared with electronics. It's fair to compare apples to apples. So EVs do in fact have a lot less moving parts, but the next question is how many electronic parts do they have? Comparing electronics from ICE to EV would be fair.
@StefanoFinocchiaro
@StefanoFinocchiaro 10 ай бұрын
@@methos-ey9nf A cell count as a single component from manufacturer standpoint
@Tron-Jockey
@Tron-Jockey 10 ай бұрын
LOL, absolute nonsense. EV's will have much less maintenance and much lower cost-to-own over their lifetime. Just look under the hood. Electric motors have essentially one moving part. None of the hundreds of points of wear-n-tear or failure that Gasoline vehicles have. None of the extreme heat and vibration that prematurely degrades everything under the hood (hoses, belts, wiring, sensors, gaskets, seals). EV's have no need for serpentine belts or associated pumps, pulleys, bushings or bearings. No alternator, mechanical water pump or high temperature, high pressure engine cooling system needed. No starter motor needed. No coil packs or ignition control modules. No fuel injectors, fuel pressure regulators, fuel pumps, or fuel injection control modules. No transmission or power steering pump, so no oils or filters. No exhaust system, O2 sensors or catalytic converters. Latest batteries are designed to last over 1500 full charge cycles (over 3000 for the new LMFP chemistry being used by Ford and Tesla). An EV with only 250 miles of range per charge cycle, after just 1000 charge cycles, will have outlived the typical gasoline engine. A 30 mpg gasoline vehicle will need over 8,500 gallons of gas to reach 250,000 miles. At $3.50/gallon that's nearly $30k for fuel alone, not to mention all the oil changes, FAR more frequent brake jobs, at least two alternator and water pump replacements, at least two timing belt replacements or one timing chain/timing gear replacement, at least one transmission rebuild, at least two sets of pan and valve cover gaskets, a rear engine oil seal replacement, one head gasket replacement, multiple O2 sensors and multiple dealer trips to extinguish the "Check Engine" light. And possibly hundreds of hours wasted sitting in customer lounges waiting for all this work, and after 250,000 miles at least one complete rebuild of your gas engine. You'll need over $50k just to keep that gasoline vehicle on the road ($60k if done by a dealer). And I'm to be worried that after 15-20 years and 300,000 miles I "may" need a new $8k to $15k battery? Get real......
@Ultrajamz
@Ultrajamz 10 ай бұрын
@@Tron-Jockey I said misleading I didn’t say EVs will necessarily be worse. They are making it seem like EVs will be godly… all you have to do is look at Mac repair videos and existing Tesla repair problems people have where things that “should” be simple repairs are not because things are monolithic, so there are “fewer parts” but the parts are complex and when they fail are very expensive.
@Ultrajamz
@Ultrajamz 10 ай бұрын
@@methos-ey9nf so do electronics, on/off cycles, thermal cycles, etc…
@ronch550
@ronch550 10 ай бұрын
I need a magnet to attract pretty chicks. I wanna be a chick magnet. Can Storch give me that?
@andrewlee88
@andrewlee88 10 ай бұрын
I normally don't go out of my way to say good things about American auto engineering *cough* bailouts *cough* , but the creative innovation @ Storch clearly show they aren't throwing in the towel and just resting on their laurels...
@Rhaman68
@Rhaman68 10 ай бұрын
It’s enjoyable to see how this piece outlines the reasons to go electric as to transportation. The main one as to manufacturing is simplicity. Secondary ones deal with less resources needed. No doubt, this transition is going to take decades. A 2009 report about Tesla’s effort to create out of nothing the magical Model S. Still, Tesla took 3 years to reales it’s first run of S while the article pointed out that Ford and GM were “hit on the trail.” A laughable statement as GM and Ford created no EVs until 2018 (GM Bolt) and 2021 (Ford Mach E). Meanwhile, as people will want gas cars, repair, rebuild, upgrade shops shall guarantee combustion engines shall be around.
@lurkingarachnid7475
@lurkingarachnid7475 10 ай бұрын
People aren't that dumb
@FactsAboutTheWorld.
@FactsAboutTheWorld. 10 ай бұрын
Yes its a lot of parts in a combustion engine, but if something fails, its cheaper and easier to fix. If an EV fails its toast, and you have to replace the entire thing, which can cost as much as the car itself, so which is better?
@ocampbell1954
@ocampbell1954 10 ай бұрын
where the hell did you get this information? lol
@andrewleno591
@andrewleno591 10 ай бұрын
That's correct, especially with batteries. If it has a problem you have to replace it. Another problem is that they are prone to damages/integrity of the car body... if car was in some incident and the main frame was twisted or deformed, it could affect the battery. But replacement of the battery will not help, that car is for scrap....
@sjneow
@sjneow 10 ай бұрын
You dont need to replace the entire thing, there are already 3rd party workshop that figure out how to replace only a small part of the battery, eventually we will get to the same expertise with EV that we spent decades to learn in ICEs
@lelnin
@lelnin 10 ай бұрын
​@@ocampbell1954google Chevy volt battery life and battery replacement
@aware2action
@aware2action 10 ай бұрын
Also, most batteries have warranty in the 100k+ miles or 8 years. With ICE cars, with diligent maintenance , things start breaking down after 100k+ miles. There are EVs on road with excess of 500k miles, with minimum repairs. Just some 💭
@jakekidd6431
@jakekidd6431 10 ай бұрын
This is a problem in regards to right to repair. I fear well be looking at be held hostage by manufacturers and pay outrageous rates.
@jesuschrist8
@jesuschrist8 10 ай бұрын
The underwater magnet's market are those that have dropped their phones in bodies of water.
@BYTES305
@BYTES305 10 ай бұрын
Electric vehicles are being pushed for 1 and only 1 reason, full controll of you once you are inside that electric big golf cart they can shut you down any time anywhere lock your car self drive it back
@ocampbell1954
@ocampbell1954 10 ай бұрын
Tin foil hat.
@lelnin
@lelnin 10 ай бұрын
​@@ocampbell1954use Google. Tesla opens the cars to help repo workers
@MicrophonicFool
@MicrophonicFool 10 ай бұрын
Generally speaking, the budget wall he was talking about are built into large companies. An Operating Budget like replacing tires was established over many years or decades. Capital budgets seldom allow paying for anything except new projects, and in some industries CANNOT be used for what would be consider Operating. All of this even with the knowledge that some Capital could be spent to save large amounts of money in Operating over longer periods of time.
@Jolly-Green-Steve
@Jolly-Green-Steve 10 ай бұрын
The ICE vehicle via it's need for consistent and costly repairs has been a vampire on the pockets of the common man for far too long. Time for it to go the way of the dodo.
@blablabla1185
@blablabla1185 5 ай бұрын
I'm an owner of an EV (VW ID4). What I see is a tremendous part shortage for the EVs. Any repair would cost several months just waiting for the parts, as mentioned by other owners.
@trevorsutherland5263
@trevorsutherland5263 10 ай бұрын
100 years ago BEV's were 30% of the US car market and they lost out to gas cars. If these things are still around (and able to stand on their own economically) in 2043 I'll be a believer. Until then...
@wt3447
@wt3447 10 ай бұрын
Name one honest auto repair company. This business needs fundamental reform to clean out the bad apples.
@ThomasNgo
@ThomasNgo 10 ай бұрын
I really appreciate Storch’s innovation. Not sure a DOT would have any use for one of those big magnets, though. Oregon DOT routinely sweeps the interstate freeways here.
@dannydaw59
@dannydaw59 10 ай бұрын
Magnets don't pick up plastic or rubber, rocks or dirt. That's the problem with it.
@dionysusnow
@dionysusnow 10 ай бұрын
@@dannydaw59 No, just metal that punctures your tyers
@jasonb6570
@jasonb6570 10 ай бұрын
@@dionysusnow Right, while sweepers get the metal that punctures tires, in addition to all the plastic, rubber, and rocks.
@dannydaw59
@dannydaw59 10 ай бұрын
Is that an electromagnet or a normal magnet that picks up metal from the road? That would be labor intensive to clean off the pieces if it's a normal magnet.
@DunnickFayuro
@DunnickFayuro 10 ай бұрын
"Budgets are made to replace tires, not to buy stuff that reduce the need for tire replacement". There. So many things go wrong in this world because of this type of thinking.
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