Europeans cannot afford to stay out of China relationship, analyst says

Philippe Le Corre, senior fellow at the Asia Society Policy Institute's Center for China Analysis, discusses German Chancellor Olaf Scholz's China visit.

[@keffinsg]

Because Scholz knows that it was the US that bombed Nordstream 2

[@PolakInHolland]

Good. Nordstream paid for Putin to stay in power and re-arm the Russian military.

[@mengreat6982]

We don't know because none of them in EU has the guts to reveal it, I think US has issued ultimatum to them

[@alanwu5788]

😊

[@miltonlai4850]

Dare he say that

[@alanwu5788]

don't say is better

[@ltribley]

It’s time for EU countries to begin exerting their sovereignty from the EU and US. The US is determined to keep Germany deindustrialized, down.

[@finestrellacaustica]

EU countries alone Vs US and China (+India in a few years time, probably) will just we swallowed by interests of other powers. Either the EU fully integrates or europe will be completely irrelevant and powerless in the future.

[@PolakInHolland]

Laughable. Germany has caused its own problems by pushing insane 'Green' policies and opening its doors to the third world.

[@mengreat6982]

Can't as long there are Ursula and baerbock around

[@zaharijaafar8311]

Shameless Scholz

[@lance8080]

Communist China’s fault 🇨🇳

[@siewkonsum7291]

Whichever country stays out of the huge Chinese market will surely lose out. 😊

[@NGE0001]

they stayed out for thousands of years and prospered.....maybe rethink your economic frame :P

[@jin_asap]

@@NGE0001 no they did not. The Qing dynasty was 1/3 of world GDP, before the Opium war. Many european travelers described the chinese market/economy as the most sophisticated and advanced in the world. The whole world wanted to trade with China. Even the US sailed halfway across the globe to trade. Many historians agree that this was when globalisation first started.

[@NGE0001]

considering the pop difference at the time that is not surprising but from a tech and per GDP perspective I am correct. Of coruse you bring up that war, very telling @@jin_asap

[@obinnaezealah2465]

@@NGE0001 The difference is that unlike the China of the past, China today is an industrial power and is completely embedded in the global economic system. If the west want to handicap itself the others will benefit.

[@liesterminator153]

​@@NGE0001 dude study history don't embarrass urself with ur ignorance

[@francojustthat156]

andddd, Germany still uses Huawei by the way, despite the American tantrums🤣

[@fredfrond6148]

Many countries were being pressured to exit Hauwei because of secret back doors into the system that China had . Then these countries found out that the USA had the same back doors they were railing about and said the us is paying too why spend the money for the more expensive equipment.

[@Go4Broke247]

And UK has the slowest Internet without 5G Huawei. Lol

[@user-mn5is8ub5y]

Immature Sunak decides for his Master , more than his Master

[@clarissagafoor5222]

@@user-mn5is8ub5y it would seem that way wouldn`t it?

[@jerrellholder8382]

Remember Obama was spying on Merkel since then Germany suspicious of USA

[@BabaYaga826]

While Western & India Media kept saying China economy is collapsing. 🤣

[@cheval63sg]

but it's true. Chinese economy has been collapsing for 30 years and continues to collapse...

[@realnapster1522]

Evergrande? 😂

[@vegamoonlight]

​@@cheval63sg😂😂😂😂😂😂 Your clowns always tell you that and then you believe it. What does that make you?

[@sihksahmir5635]

@@realnapster1522 it's a company not China

[@agamliandy7843]

​@cheval63sg if they're collapsing while still have better growth than the US, then what should we say about the US? Buried??

[@dachochiyo3992]

mind your own bussiness America

[@SPECIALTRADER1]

Too late. Britain is coming with us whether she likes it or not!!😮😢

[@h02ctn]

As a hegemon everything falls under Americas bussiness.

[@SPECIALTRADER1]

@@h02ctn That's why we are falling. When you don't take care of your middle class and your infrastructure is crumbling. That means you're worried about the wrong things in the world.

[@h02ctn]

@@SPECIALTRADER1 Agreed. It is a bi-partisan corruption scheme.

[@lance8080]

Ban COVID CCP imports 🇨🇳

[@user-qp4di2dr6h]

These politicians are a fxcking joke! Meanwhile, German businesses continue to invest and build plants in China. Germany is upsetting both its trading and energy partners all at the same time.😂

[@SPECIALTRADER1]

They are now stuck... Just like all of Europe

[@peterg0]

They have to obey american boss's order,but they are hungry,they need food 🤣

[@peachychoc7905]

LOL! Thanks to Uncle Sam, German’s energy cost has sky rocketed to 4 or 5 times since the pipeline xpl0sion making domestic manufacturing unprofitable

[@monipenny408]

Thanks to U$UK stirring the pot, creating the illusionary bogeymen!

[@amunra5330]

Trade will benefit both the EU and China. Stop being a stooge of US foreign policy

[@CattleFarmer667]

If EU companies keep moving to China then trade is not benefiting EU.

[@lance8080]

Ban CCP stolen technology and crappy made imports 🇨🇳

[@whitemoon5752]

Why the Americans want European to be out of China. Can the Americans mind their own business for the change please.

[@DG-hw8it]

Should EU exit the western hemisphere? 😂

[@308_Negra_Arroyo_Lane]

Italy has been begging to trade with China lately.

[@SPECIALTRADER1]

That's Europe in general

[@sihksahmir5635]

it's true?

[@MetaView7]

@@sihksahmir5635 Maloni will be visiting China next.

[@ragnarokws2670]

@@sihksahmir5635 Nobody goes india tho.

[@308_Negra_Arroyo_Lane]

@@MetaView7 He wants to persuade China to put their BYD battery plant in Italy instead of Spain. Which they certainly would have done, if Italy were still in the BRI.

[@MLJclassics]

It’s like telling your neighbor to prevent his kids studying hard, because your own kid underperforms.

[@jjsamuelgunn1136]

not only that. they tell publishers and libraries not to provide books to the neighbor's kid so they can't study.

[@happymelon7129]

✊Free Germany from U$A ✊ Germany should be a Sovereign state. A sovereign state is a state that has the highest authority over a territory. International law defines sovereign states as having a permanent population, defined territory, a government not under another, and the capacity to interact with other sovereign states. It is also commonly understood that a sovereign state is independent. France Macron: You are only vassal state if someone else allows to establish military bases in your territory.

[@Cellpeg]

Germany comes back begging, Italy next.

[@kevinl7173]

Italy is anti-China and Asians, I don't think they will take it back

[@georgewilder7423]

Italy cancels BRI there on the declining US empire instructions and now crawling back to resurrect trading....some people just don't understand embarrassment do they?😮

[@h02ctn]

The US knows what's best for Germany. That is why Nord Stream 1 & 2 is no more.

[@jjsamuelgunn1136]

Daddy knows best 😄

[@amenemhurt8817]

No one is surprised by Mr. Scholz move. He's just trying to protect Germany's interests - that's all!

[@kevinl7173]

too late right now, China wants to decouple this time, Europe has to pay more for everything

[@MetaView7]

He was greeted by the vice mayor at the airport. That tells you something.

[@user-um7tw6kx4r6]

@@MetaView7 The same shabby treatment that EU and USA have been meting out to African countries. They only send the VP to command Africans to accept LGBT, they never want to do business deals. They're going to pay for their petty behaviour at this rate. Throwing away China and disrespecting Africa in favour of India is not working out, and that's why they're running back to China.

[@evechristmas5248]

​@@MetaView7but he step a red carpet,while yellen not.😂😂

[@ronnie5329]

Neither can the US

[@MetaView7]

Exactly !

[@happymelon7129]

% of the cars produced are exported. Germany: 75% South Korea: 70% Japan: 50% China: 15% U$ : China has overcapacity.😅

[@theinfralink6598]

Why would Europeans want to decouple with China anyway?

[@johnnyq4260]

Are there sovereign countries in Europe even?

[@mengreat6982]

Hungary and Serbia ( Slovakia new PM has start to change too )

[@frankm6218]

No.

[@user-mx8fh1ve5x]

Russia

[@SagittarianArrows]

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz is in China on an official visit, his second trip to the country since taking office in 2021. Scholz has arrived in Shanghai, the second stop on his three-day tour.

[@peterchin6759]

It is not because China being "overcapacity", rather, It is more of a case of EU "under-performing".

[@h02ctn]

Blowing up the NS pipelines didn''t help the preformance either.

[@peterg0]

American movie,iphone,military weapons,debts,funding wars,tesla,chips,macdonald,disneyLand,satellites,corruption....etc etc the world calls it overcapacity

[@manimalworks7424]

German economy is built on 2 legs: cheap Russian gas and big Chinese market. 1 leg was crippled already by someone, Germany cannot afford to lose the other leg.

[@evechristmas5248]

in fact,china also use Russia gas.

[@manimalworks7424]

@@evechristmas5248 indeed. China won’t cripple itself though.

[@fahmad7194]

You need more sensible chaps like this

[@oneplanetearth]

Those countries that wants to stay out Please STAY OUT. Dont just Talk Tough on China ✌✌✌

[@k54dhKJFGiht]

Germany is helpless to make its own stuff anymore.

[@SPECIALTRADER1]

It would not be cost effective for companies.

[@MetaView7]

without NordStream, no, it is helpless.

[@k54dhKJFGiht]

Germans don't get it. This is not about money anymore. Money was a nice-to-have concern.

[@willengel2458]

it's probably difficult for German viewers to fathom why their brave leader leading a delegation of CEOs to visit China their trusted reporter insinuated was going to collapse. and is the same for US reporters.

[@lkhxlt7689]

If EU country make stupid decisions base on hear say, or perception of fear, then will they intelligence enough to make good decision on cooperation on economy., or keep insist on being a lapdog of Uncle Sam...!!!! 😊😊😊

[@alanwu5788]

there are 50000 USA soldiers stationed in Germany

[@RasvonKoo]

It's amazing to just look at the GDP growth of USA vs Europe in the past 30 years😂

[@monipenny408]

ground rocketing!

[@k.k.c8670]

He got heatstroke, among many other shocks, during his India trip.He realizes we are talking chalk and cheese

[@alanwu5788]

food and drinking 😅

[@jojje3000-1]

We in the EU cannot help the US with its domestic economic problems, this will end in a recession for all parties. And a recession where US money printing already are at full speed.

[@MetaView7]

Europeans could stay out of China relationship if the Americans had not implemented the Buy American Rule.

[@makuohua3071]

Nobody like to miss a day meals from China , No matters its EU or U.S. or U.K. or Australia, even Philippines lol😂❤🎉. Just a Tv Walk and eat meals in China this is 21st Centuries lifestyle of Everyone. Please give Big Hands lol😂🎉❤.

[@brianhong301]

Complaining CN is selling too cheap into US? CN companies have been screwed down to lowest prices by these large US international COs operating in CN, ie Apple that paid CN only $8 of a total cost of $200 ! CCP is now considering imposing tariff levies on ALL exports to US including EVs. It is better for CN to keep the tariffs. US imports had gone up despite its levies on CN imports.

[@joerudnik9290]

It’s strange, Americans and Europeans lived without China quite well before the ‘80’s. 😊

[@khairulhelmihashim2510]

there were cheap imports coming from Japan, Taiwan, HK, and other small South East Asian countries then.

[@skydragon23101979]

You could go back to the 80s without internet, iphone and others. You could just freeze yourself in the 80s timeline.

[@tat3179]

Strange that people forgot how well they lived when China's participated in the global economy from the 1990s to 2010s. When people can afford garageful of cheap affordable stuff.

[@echozhao3124]

trade not fight

[@keqin5980]

Where is Annalena Baerbock this time? Is she in India🤣

[@keirenle]

Got food poisoning so she was busy in the ladies room unfortunately

[@sydca5365]

If having a good relationship with China is against Germany's interest, it makes sense for Germany to call China out. The otherwise couldn't make any sense, particularly in a long run. Germany is not the one who is competing with China for world No1 economy.

[@Lee.Hsien-Yung]

Germany is increasingly weak and unable to produce its own domestic needs

[@JD-yz4kr]

Not with expensive energy costs, and not with decoupling from non-western markets. So much for trading only with nations that share European values.

[@eddiewong9272]

China 🇨🇳 don’t have major conflict with most of the EU countries, cooperation is essential among all.

[@dariomendoza191]

the WORLD flows better TOGETHER!!

[@hengongchua6250]

That Palki of Firstpost will ask "how about 1nd!a ?"

[@shaqisumari304]

Trade should be free and fair, no unfair treatment,

[@tancolvis5240]

thump is only for his own business not for the good of usa citizens

[@Heartadia]

china exports price deflation. usa exports wage deflation see the difference?

[@gunsumwong3948]

EU will never work by insisting a joint unified front towards superpowers. Germany does over 250 billion Euro trade with China so it cares about trade relationship. Yet there are little economies like Lithuania that has zero trade with China but on getting sweeteners from the US would openly operate an anti-China policy in the EU. It even wants the EU toi adopt Lithuania policy as the EU foreign policy. Russian cheap energy is another key issue that EU cannot be united. Countries like Hungary cannot afford to do without Russia cheap energy and is accepted as an exception while other EU countries would rather tank their own economies with energy cost 3 to 4 times higher by not using Russian cheap energy. While the EU are disagreeing on sanctioning Russia the US is buying uranium from Russia as nothing has happened. This idealogoly game is the biggest joke in modern history and proves there can be extremely stupid people in the EU leadership.

[@samtat5873]

Unless EU leaders wish their people have to paying high Gas, Oil, Foods. If they decide not to have relationship with China instead still keep continue deeper fall in to their boss 🙄. Just hope EU leaders should be smart enough and care much their people eat well and live well 🙏. To be honest there's nothing else much better to cooperation and work together with China for better brighter future. This way everyone are sure win win.

[@SPECIALTRADER1]

The European genetics will not allow us to be peaceful.

[@Channel-rs2lf]

China has a huge market! The US is trying to block the development of China but never wants to give up the Chinese market.

[@Tom-mo2dr]

Germany is not in BRICS , they have chosen their side , let them eat cake.

[@geodive5542]

Nice. Pretty much what I want.

[@joshcyz]

Europe and China started trade thousands years ago. Silk, Tea, Porcelain. Spain sent Columbus to find China for trade, because the land route was blocked. This is how strong the trading partnership is between Europe and China. USA you are new in the room.

[@aon10003]

So you cant afford to break with someone who is slowly strangeling you?

[@keirenle]

Germany should act like a sovereign country and looking after their own interests. China is the market that Germany could not afford to lose right now. To ensure that Germany remain competitive, they need a cheap stable source of energy. They still have not found it yet. It should be their priority. Not throw mud at their best customer.

[@patrickgz]

did anyone realize his first visit in china was to an university? and what was the first unscripted question from a student there?

[@grldandsn8546]

Everyone is begging china 😢

[@jjsamuelgunn1136]

The same people who said China's economy is tanking is going there to ask them buy their stuff.

[@donkeykong516]

Tell us something we don’t already know

[@sportsonwheelss]

why did German went alone to China? Is Germany not a sovereign nation?

[@LoveLove-jg9ol]

???

[@giovannibaggio180]

250 billion$ per year?

[@naszadynastia]

Look at goods at Castorama, Media Markt, Leroy.....?..

[@asiaone999]

yes , but the von der Leyen lady hasnt stop yapping till now.... maybe she understands the trade economy more... thanks gentlemen.

[@nemesiszz]

Next what chinese car manufacturing in Germany?

[@robhappe2705]

Scholz being alone says enough. Trump will wash Scholz ears.

[@soothsayer2406]

HAAHA ahahahah a haha

[@SPECIALTRADER1]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@keqin5980]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@MH-pz8wf]

Don't stay out then. Double down your own risk just like with Russia. It seems to be a blindspot in the German business and political and maybe people culture to do so. It might be just inevitably fateful.

[@directxxxx71]

China is 10× of Russia, smart as*

[@tat3179]

Germany is better off having a relationship with Russia than withyou people. For one, they get to keep their factories instead of having you people (and China) steal them off them. Or paying protection fees to your MIC to buy overpriced ineffective weapons to "protect themselves" and pay to the nose for your LNG.

[@yummytummy88]

The national interest of US is definitely not the national interest of Germany. We can push and threaten China on the interest of US companies but US won't do the same for Germany. Despite the rhetoric by the EU president on China this and China that, Some EU countries needs to take care of themselves...first.

[@lorycotiga4231]

Ti sbagli...tutto al contrario.. Germania ,fino a poco fa,era il cervello di Europa, il paese più potente economicamente finanziario...con grandissima economia,veramente ricca....che stava dietro solo agli USA....Perché?...perche aveva i rapporti di cooperazione comerciali con Russia, come principale fornitore di risorse energetice, gas,petrolio, altre risorse naturale,cereale prodotti pet agricoltura, metale......TUTTO A BASSO PREZZO.....e poi, con la Cina,...per altre risorse,manufatti, energia verde, e altri prodotti molto competitivi...sempre A BASSO PREZZO......e ,la Germania se avese continuato in questi ritmi veloci di sviluppo, tra qualche anno superava anche USA.....SE.....A tal proposito gli USA si sono accorti di questo...perche il commercio con loro ,tra di loro era molto basso ,dovuto i prezzi MOLTO ALTI ,per i loro prodotti.....ciò, significa CONCORRENZA...sappiamo tutti che agli USA Non piace concorrenza...cioè,che nessuno può competere con loro,perché i più forti...ma questo, secondo loro....Come fare sottomettere la Germania?...hanno pensato loro..Come..non una cosa facile,anche per non far capire la loro intenzione a nessuno.....la pianificazione di questo parte dal lontano 2014,quando si sono intromessi in Ucraina,la sottomessa subito ai supi ordini,stavolta col intenzione di avvicinarsi alla Russia, cercare un conflitto,per distruggere il suo nemico storico....ma non direttamente loro,per non farsi vedere,ma per mano di altro,appunto Ucraina,che già caduta nel tranello USA,anche con la scusa di conflitto interno ucraineano......Questi 2 obbiettivi dovevano essere raggiunti......Finora...uno solo e raggiunto completamente.....cioè, ha distrutto Germania economicamente e finanziario...facendogli obbligare di rompere la cooperazione comerciale con la Russia e Cina,cosi desindustrializare del paese,e forzando la Germania di comprare tuttii bisogni da USA A PREZZI TRIPLICATI,SE NON DI PIÙ......poi,nella stessa trappola e caduta tutta l'Europa ...nelle stesse condizioni imposte da SUA....Finale,la Germania si è suicidata da solo...Come l'Europa, d'altronde......

[@kazegarasu4704]

Lies ! It's the oligarchs who are unable to decouple from China business relationship ... Self sustainability is still achievable , just not in the big city .

[@moreless2690]

Realizing uncomfortable truths in life can be painful. The EU must swallow their pride. Kissinger said Uncle Sam has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests. It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal.

[@Jen-xg3iq]

Germany and China have no conflicts, they should keep trading and benefit each other.

[@pengzhang5081]

有冲突 因为 德国天天人权

[@realnapster1522]

Don’t feed the CCP monster.

[@hugevincent1522]

now Gsabotage

[@souria1671]

Il fait un marche-arrière après les dégâts économiques 😮😮A la fin, il va lui rester que les voitures 🚘🚙 à vendre 😂😂 mais fabriquées en Chine 🇨🇳 avec l’énergie Russe 🇷🇺 bon marché. 😂😂 Je ne comprends plus rien avec ses politiciens 😮😮

[@Lee.Hsien-Yung]

It is time for the EU to take a stand and not want to be controlled by the US. Moreover, the EU's relationship with China is mutually beneficial because China, the world's superpower, really needs China, said Martin Jacques is an English scholar

[@h02ctn]

America slapped Germanys face with Nord Stream and the whole World saw. Germany pretended nothing happened.

[@djoys7738]

Visible example of Double standards. No Human rights, No rule based system, regular expansionism,ethnicclencing, genocides, stealing tech...All are no more crimes, provided you are rich. Great values, indeed.

[@sunnywu2464]

What you say is just American anti-China propaganda persuading other countries staying away from China and using only American products.

[@davesmithe1875]

You are so right. The US should be brought to the International Justice Court in the Hague for all the crimes that they have committed against all the countries and humanity in general.

[@zeissiez]

Comparison 1: • AVERAGE number of bombs dropped by America EVERYDAY in foreign lands since the turn of the millennium = 46 • TOTAL number of bombs dropped by China in foreign lands in the last 40 YEARS = 0 Comparison 2: • Number of American military bases outside its territory = 750 • Number of Chinese military bases outside its territory = 1 (in Djibouti for UN mission) Comparison 3: • Distance from Chinese military base to America = 10,000 km • Distance from American military base to China = 0 km (Taiwan is within China) Comparison 4: • In 2020, after pulling out of a 20-year occupation in Afghanistan, America confiscated Afghanistan’s 7 Billion dollar foreign reserves, leaving Afghanistan in desperate short of basic necessities. • In the autumn of 2020, China poured in humanitarian aids to Afghanistan to help Afghans weather the coming winter. Comparison 5: • On 3 Jan 2020, General Qasem Soleimani of Iran, was killed in a drone strike by America, while heading to Baghdad in order to engage in diplomatic discussions aimed to reduce hostility between Iran and Saudi. • On 10th Mar 2023, brokered by China, long time rivals Saudi and Iran reestablished diplomatic ties, marking a new beginning of the two biggest Shia and Sunni countries, bringing peace to the Muslim World in the Middle East. Comparison 6: • The US, with help from Norway, blew up Nord Stream pipelines in the Baltic Sea. German firm Energie Baden-Wuerttemberg signed up gas from America Venture Global LNG for 20 years at the cost 4x of Russian gas. • After Nord Stream pipelines were blown, Scholz led a huge contingent of CEOs from big companies like BASF and Siemens to discuss with China on setting up factories in China, as energy cost in Germany soared, that’s the only way these companies could survive. Comparison 7: • Laos holds a world record: the most bombed country in the world. 7.7 million tons of explosives were dropped in Laos, by more than 580,000 air missions by the US Airforce on Laos between 1964 and 1973 during the Vietnam War. That’s more than three times the amount of bombs dropped in all theaters of World War II. There are still 80 million bomblets that never went off remain live, buried over 35% of land area of Laos. A staggering 270 million bomblets were dropped in a country with a population of 2.5 million, to carpet a huge buffer zone to prevent weaponries to reach Vietnam. By 1975, 1/10th of Laos population was killed, 1/5th of the population wounded. • Today Laos has a high speed rail system more advanced than American’s, built by China after removing the unexploded bomblets. Laos, Syria, Afghanistan, where America destroyed, China goes to build. “China threat” is real. China brings immense embarrassment to the US ruling class. P/S: you see protests everywhere against the genocide in Gaza. But why no protests against China? Because only you believed it.

[@user-le8sn3xn2i]

The question is, will investors trust China not on whether governments want to engage with China. They have lost trust. Trust once losted is very difficult to regain.

[@robhappe2705]

Germany has maneuvered itself in an impossible position

[@LoveLove-jg9ol]

Do not worry in 10 years they are fine again.

[@vgtgffbhd]

Germany runs directly into the trap

[@HaitingHZZhang]

Germany is already in the trap setup by the US, now it is looking for a way out.

[@h02ctn]

Why you care. Are you a Modi fan?

[@technoviking4131]

Business with China is a slow poison for the buyer. Germany’s economic stance towards Russia and China have intrinsic parallels - decoupling is the only way to deal with autocracies.

[@HaitingHZZhang]

Germany is poisoned already, now it is looking for Chinese medicine to recover.

[@slavakotelnikov2440]

Germans are misled about their freedom of choice in the electoral process and their sovereignty. Merkel was the last one whose policy was independent from the US influence. Today Germany is is just a vassal state catering to the US interest. So it is debatable which option is better "sovereign autocracy", following its own interest, or rigged democracy, following external agenda and bringing no profit to voters.

[@agamliandy7843]

Knowing that Germany is a vassal state of the US, don't you think their political leader would've been decoupling with China alrd if there's really a possibility? The EU can't decouple from China, even the US can't.

[@georgewilder7423]

Good luck with that bullshit!

[@technoviking4131]

@@georgewilder7423 oh hi CCP

[@CO8848_2]

Yes they can. If they stay with China, Mercedes and BMW will be Chinese soon.

[@theinfralink6598]

No China has its own brands. They will not overpay for legacy auto brands.

[@CO8848_2]

@@theinfralink6598 Man, you people are dense. They will buy BMW and own it as a subsidiary.

[@ragnarokws2670]

@@CO8848_2 Why chinese would want mercedes and BMW? those are outdated car brands lol

[@CO8848_2]

@@ragnarokws2670 LOL, outdated? Have you been to China? Clearly you idiots have no idea

[@williamwongkimping3998]

Busybody KAREN WarMonger AMURDERCA should mind their own business.