Masterleaf(ST) vs Senna(Z) - Tournament Crater - Kane's Wrath

We're back on Tournament Crater for a GDI match-up of Steel Talons vs ZOCOM featuring Masterleaf vs Senna!
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[@ooopretty7596]

I firmly believe that Masterleaf is the truest example of a public servant the Kane's Wrath community has. Not only has he sunk countless hours into creating amazing mods, but he pushes the boundaries of the game constantly whether it's in the way he plays with goofy MRT moves or the way he turns his minimaps dark blue for better contrast. He has directly caused the resurgence of rig use. He's impacted the meta more times than anyone but Bikerush, and if we're being honest with ourselves, perhaps even more. And Sybert you're in that category too. It's so good to have you back casting. You bring an energy to the game that no FPvod can do. Kudos to you both. Hope Babybert is well!

[@antiseth3964]

Gotta give the MVP to Wifeybert for taking over on Babybert duties while he’s casting. Goals.

[@ooopretty7596]

@@antiseth3964 Indeed! Props to Wifeybert!

[@MadcatMashupMayhem]

whoa masterleaf make mods?

[@dreadlock17]

Couldn't agree more

[@christopherpremer9686]

@@MadcatMashupMayhem yes he pretty much engineered the entire patch that is played competitively and has made texture packs and HD packs

[@the7thsection]

Imagine being a musclehead dude high on weird green crystals sitting in an APC with said APC also being loaded in a cargo plane effortlessly wielding his huge-ass minigun to shred those tiny tanks on the ground True gigachad experience, thank you Masterleaf

[@Ser_Matticus]

It’s like a superior if makeshift in origin venom craft, it’s fast, it self repairs, and shreds both air and ground targets

[@ClanDarkassasins]

That engineer is still sitting there till this day.

[@Dorda098]

Still there in 2022. IDK How he went back in time, though

[@GrommiD]

Still there, in 2023, till the end.

[@vza0001]

Masterleaf 1v1 games are always fun. He is always experimenting with new ideas and we love to see his experiments. Mutant MRTs? Sure. Why not! :D

[@ooopretty7596]

Not only are they self-healing, but they act as a much faster version of the rig repairing everything they run by AND they shoot up and down! There's nothing they can't do!

[@BikeRush]

Leaf getting to grab hes tib spike for most of the game not sure what's worse leaf forgetting or senna taking almost all game to kill it 🤣

[@dontreadmyusername6787]

And still couldn't get it in the end lmao

[@Glioper]

Masterleaf's engineer: "I have been kneeling for THIRTY MINUTES"

[@KR1EGL3R]

The tib spike situation is the prime example of _why does the GDI arms their combat engineers with Tactical Lunchbox_ :D

[@GamingSpoiler]

Please cast your vote for the play of the game: 1- Them Ox Transports. 2- Them Hammerheads. 3- That one engineer.

[@OneSybert]

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[@kasper7574]

I would love to see a game where somone spamms out mutants vs a giant infantry army.

[@Hatlins]

That engineer deserves a Service Medal for his patience 😅

[@darkcyter]

Shoutout to that one engineer who lived a peaceful life at that unclaimed tib spike, my man probably found the meaning of life and the mystery of the universe sitting there

[@blitzer25blitz62]

13:58 "OH MY GOSH WE'VE ALMOST LOST OUR HEADS" me also shocked that Hammerhead just woosh🤣🤣 best commentary

[@spartainjeffer]

damn I was rooting for masterleaf that whole time. I really wanted to see heroic mutant marauder MRT's take the win.

[@Software2TF2]

Of all the games you've casted, I don't understand how this one has just 20k views. This was an amazing spectacle!

[@milovince9794]

im not sure what makes me smile more, baby bert or old bert saying choppy choppy blades

[@gamesandthoughts2388]

If anything, I would want to be that engineer. Just sitting there in front of the tibspike, thinking about things, maybe even hoping for your crazyas# commander who is making fly mutants in f ing MRTs across the battlefield to lose just for you to go and find a new hire. Being grateful for that most of the combat is happening literally behind and away from you. Hell, maybe even go and see if Kane is hiring. I mean, Nod are crazy too, but they are not fly-mutants-across-battlefield crazy. And they have some sick looking green head engineers with a robotic hand in their midsts. It would be great to get to know each other and maybe even hang out and chill, you know what I am saying?

[@riproaringanus]

Well, Kane is crazy enough to do that. I mean, the line about the Marked of Kane are walking around living normal lives waiting to be activated is pretty terrifying 😳

[@gamesandthoughts2388]

@@riproaringanus Well, at least Nod have some sisters(commando) in the brotherhood :) And as a combat engineer I could show her my "pistol" :)

[@Bloodlyshiva]

@@riproaringanus You'd think they'd notice they don't age.

[@riproaringanus]

@@Bloodlyshiva depends on when they gave themselves to cybernetics though. Kane does disappear for long periods between the wars so they may only have been changed a year or so before this war starts

[@Thiccoman]

those airborne mutants were such a great tactic, it definitely paid off! I wonder why it's not used more often :D

[@OneSybert]

Too expensive and you have to be really careful with everything to make it worth it.

[@Ser_Matticus]

I loved the makeshift hammerheads with the Ox transports

[@pyrosauria7444]

That combat engineer was on lunch break, hence why it didn’t capture the Tib spike.

[@sammadden5540]

Glad the GDI union came through with the bigger lunch breaks

[@peterpeterson4800]

Zocom should have gotten something like a specter for artillery, but with big sonic grenades and without the stealth of course.

[@azzythechristianfurry]

Sonic Shell Predators, maybe? MARV has them. I feel like the lack of artillery is a good balance for ZOCOM, but their armor outside of air is lacking severely

[@Kane_NOD]

LEAF. SPIKE.

[@ordinaryhuman5645]

might have won that game, but won our hearts.

[@davekavanagh7599]

I definitely should stop reading comments before I finish the video

[@ordinaryhuman5645]

@@davekavanagh7599 I know that feel. I updated the comment a bit.

[@NiiRubra]

The funny thing is that one can still imply who those are, simply by knowing who they are.

[@ordinaryhuman5645]

@@NiiRubra Really, it's more about the journey than the destination.

[@derkatwork33]

Dang. Look at the graph of resources. That miss on the tib spike capture really has a big impact over a long game.

[@lmabacus3489]

That only accounted for a small portion. If he had captured it and held it for the entire game he would've gotten 500+(29*60)*10 = 17900 credits, but he ended up 83,562 credits behind at the end. It was the tiberium harvesting that made the difference; at the 9-minute mark you can see that Senna had harvested an entire field worth of tiberium more than Leaf. Also, after the halfway point of the game Leaf completely neglected to harvest the blue tib.

[@testingphaze4853]

@@lmabacus3489 But still, that one simple mistake made Leaf miss out on 17900 credits. That is more than enough to fuel an army and a couple of one clicks that could change the course of the game

[@Dodo-ck5tq]

I love the commentry on these games hey 👍👍👍

[@jarrettosburn8879]

Sybert you're such a great commenter. Love to hear it!

[@dreadlock17]

Mutants inside flying MRTs are funny af 😂

[@randomargument972]

I feel like MRT's can even repair my life.

[@harrylee9289]

those MRT got me giggle though out the play.

[@dukedase7]

Lmao I never knew you could shoot out of the transport jets. Damn. I used to play this game pretty competitively too, back in 2008, anyway lol

[@riproaringanus]

Am I right in thinking that the armoury replenishes the squad size after casualties?

[@randomargument972]

13:59 when a fly goes near your eye

[@azzythechristianfurry]

Am I the only one who feels like ST should have Mutants in the Barracks by default? It’s so weird to me (even like 15 years later lol) that ST decided to mount a barracks on everything and then… remove their heavy hitting infantry. Like… I still say give them various Zone Troopers, maybe. Rifleman Rocket Squad Combat Engineer Zone Grenadier (think- Zone Raiders with fully automatic grenade launchers, but not sonic grenades) >Barracks Zone Troopers Zone Gunners (Zone Troopers with some crazy laser minigun or just Mutants for simplicity) Anyway, rant kinda got off topic there lol. The Mutants were great to see here

[@Bomx17]

I had already seen this very fun game so it was more of a reaction video watching this

[@lmabacus404]

Same here, but seeing the whole map just makes it clear how phenomenally ahead Senna was in eco, even discounting the missed spike capture

[@FizzleFX]

10:30 WAT?! flying APCs can fire down and repair another too?!! ........................ *rubs eyes* .......... whenever i think i've seen it all.......... this game is nuts!

[@xiyalocan8535]

Masterleaf was enjoying the nonsense a bit too much, he gave away a Marv.

[@lmabacus404]

In pretty much the same place and manner as Dirty Dutch against Leaf in the last Tournament Crater game, also against ZOCOM

[@Kane_NOD]

Happens to nonsense-enjoyers way too often.

[@phoenixyo9987]

I wanna do the MRV mutant transport orca strads, I feel like he actually needed more of those lol. If he had like 6-8 of them he could probably almost instant delete any unit he chances on.

[@LurkerEternal]

8:45 the bikerush freudian slip lmao what a legend

[@freespaceace1]

Pour one out for the engineer at that tib spike.

[@rapidpigz8238]

Masterleaf is a madman

[@squishymusic9723]

Airborne MRT's are amazing, should be combo'd with hammerheads Also Zoneraider Behemoths would be unstoppable!!

[@Empiro3]

I think Masterleaf would have won if he'd taken the Tib spike. There were a few moments in the game where just an extra unit or two would have made all the difference.

[@davekavanagh7599]

Muties are also anti air too aren't they?? How are they at it? How would a squad compare to say an APC?

[@Mantorok12]

I think they're pretty comparable to an APC. What's really cool about mutants is they recover health in tiberium, and they don't lose squad members until the whole squad reaches 0 HP. So they can operate at 100% until they die. If Masterleaf committed more to the flying mutant harassment (and of course if he had an economy), it could have been real nasty.

[@lmabacus404]

Just did some testing, and mutant marauders in 1.02+ R16 are way better than a basic APC at anti-air (though 1.02+ only gives a 10% damage improvement, so they were very strong already). In fact, mutants have the same DPS against stationary aircraft as _AP Ammo APCs._ However, when the aircraft is in motion the mutants take longer to track the aircraft, so that they take 10 seconds to kill a circling firehawk versus 8 for AP Ammo APCs. But when they're garrisoned they don't need to physically turn to aim anymore, so they go back to being equal to AP Ammo APCs.

[@ViolenVaymire]

This is no where near the Masterleaf I remember, I wonder what happened. I get he's not taking most of these games seriously but even in the last tournaments he's been performing so poorly, in comparison to the guy who could confidently fight and win against Bikerushownz.

[@lmabacus3489]

He's more about experimenting with different strategies these days, and barely using certain units/strategies that he considers to be too boring, like firehawks and multi MCVs. I imagine that if you're in that mindset then it can be difficult to transition back to more optimal strategies in tournament play.

[@13g0man]

On one hand, we have Masterleaf. On the other hand, we have his latest Victim.

[@QueenDaenerysTargaryen]

Perhaps 🔥🔥🐉💥🐲💥🐲

[@kathydina3646]

I've seen it only once before, but the apc gunships are a very interesting and possibly viable tactic. Although very unconventional.

[@NiiRubra]

The Ox MRT strategy is pretty good, I think the biggest flaw with it is that Steel Talons doesn't have anything special to put in their MRTs (although I'm beginning to look at the Combat Engineers differently. No I'm serious), but if you got a mutant hovel around, that can make this strat work wonders. They are fast, highly mobile, can be geared up with various different weapons and can self-repair, much like the Humvees and Ambulances from C&C Generals, and they can adapt to changing situations: if the enemy is going heavy on AA, the Ox transports can land so that the MRTs can take the AA out, if the enemy brings in specialized AT units, the MRTs can unload to let the passengers take them out, only to then load them up again and move out. There isn't an easy answer to it, because you need mixed forces to kill them, and they can always take off again and run away, to continue to poke at soft spots and hit you where your forces aren't.

[@kathydina3646]

@@NiiRubra Never even thought of using the transports in that way, mainly used orcas or hammerheads for that purpose. The idea of a agile, hard hitting, self repairing unit kinda changes the game, at least to me. Might make use of it in the future. Thanks for the input.

[@lmabacus3489]

MRT+Mutants+Ox cost 1500, the same as a hammerhead (and only 1400 in 1.03). The Ox has the same armor and speed as a hammerhead, and has slightly better shroud clearing range (but mutants have worse attack range). Can't find any info on mutant dps, and of course hammerheads can get AP ammo (and ceramic armor if ZOCOM), but mutants do have the advantage of being cheaper and thus leveling up faster, as well as being anti-air. Probably the biggest issue is simply the hassle of sending each mutant team into the MRTs. Do Ox MRTs repair aircraft as well? I wonder if mixing some AP Ammo hammerheads into the mix can help with the damage output.

[@NiiRubra]

@@lmabacus3489 The MRTs notably repair the Ox craft carrying them _and_ other Ox craft nearby, so yeah, they could. They even repair buildings! As long as there is no urgency, you can park these by a building and let them do it for you, for free. Underrated little guys.

[@lmabacus404]

@@NiiRubra Oh yeah, I forgot :D I did just testing and it looks like basic hammerheads have about 25% more DPS than the mutants, and AP Ammo Hammerheads have 100% more DPS, so mixing them together seems like it could work.

[@lelieutenant7386]

18:00 what is the strengh of zocom?

[@lmabacus3489]

They have the best aircraft out of all the factions if used properly. But since Zorcas and zone raiders in hammerheads don't have precise targeting against moving units, it requires good micro to get the best out of them, so it's not a faction for beginners.

[@fadlirobby7149]

When logic is over than 90000

[@Yuwteck5037]

8:44 Man Sybert really missed BikeRush huh...

[@jireh7931]

Tiberium wars is different to kane's wrath?

[@PetersaberHD]

KW has many more units, 6 subfactions, some new one-clicks and balance changes,

[@jireh7931]

An expansion then. Thanks for answering. I haven't even played this game but I love watching rts

[@PetersaberHD]

@@jireh7931 it's a proper expansion, with a new game mode and a full campaign

[@Mantorok12]

You say ZOCOM is poor at the late game, but what's wrong with a ZOCOM marv, or zoneheads?

[@OneSybert]

It can still be a good faction, but lack of ground artillery and no railguns can be a big problem in ending the game. Zone Raiders are great, but expensive and don't really replace juggernauts. It's just a faction that requires a different play-style and has certain weaknesses that can be exploited.

[@lmabacus3489]

Without artillery, ZOCOM has major issues dealing with base pushes. Looking at the last two Leaf ZOCOM games, he managed to stop one base push with an epic commando snipe, and barely held off Space on Mountain Pass despite a major eco advantage only because Space forgot to build Specters to complement his base push.

[@Mantorok12]

@@lmabacus3489 speaking of, leaf could have certainly memed a commando to the legs of those behemoths. But that's a lot of money he didn't have.

[@kathydina3646]

Wait, mutant marauders can rank up?

[@OneSybert]

Yep, they always have there's just no graphical change in the default game.

[@kathydina3646]

@@OneSybert Thanks for clearing it up. It's quite nice getting to know new things about the game.

[@user-ys7to5kq1t]

Z has an advantage of aircrafts and ST has an advantage of tanks. but this game is tanks of Z VS aircrafts of ST

[@OneSybert]

That's a good way of putting it.

[@ghosterdude]

i've seen this game before... not complaining tho.

[@zounoaa9689]

comment for the algo

[@randomargument972]

28:51 You gotta be joking.... xD

[@hazwan149]

14:00 14:36 XDDD

[@randomargument972]

29 minutes, uncapped Tib Spike, $17400 lost

[@OneSybert]

Could have made the difference.

[@555_Kochi_STi]

Dang. Too bad the captions are set to Vietnamese.

[@lelieutenant7386]

let's go Senna!!! beat him!!

[@commmander64]

I never see a talon win oof

[@lars_vegas]

Mutantleaf✌️

[@krrsantan6775]

As expected, masterqueef loses again.

[@OneSybert]

“As expected”? lol Looking forward to the bo7 between you two.

[@NodsFrend1]

хня какая то. у меня ремонтные дроны не летают рядом с БТР, они отстают