*** Coarse & Match Fishing TV *** Matrix Submerged Episode 1

[@josvandermaat3464]

Thanks for the great footage! Bit surprised by the fishingmethod however. Its obvious that a longer hooklength makes no sense if you leave the feeder where it lands. Here in Holland we learn to straithen the hooklength by simply reeling the cagefeeder in a bit (releasing the grounbait simultaneously). Only a methodfeeder is left where it lands. Using long hooklengths ( sometimes up to 150 cm!) this way is the only method to catch some fish on natural venues in wintertime.

[@adriannicholas5480]

a mate of mine - calculates the night before, how long his chosen mix breaks down from cage- before straightening and moving the feeder. However, different reels have different length of line per turn with some faster retrieve models requiring only a half or even qtr. turn to keep the hookbait amongst the exited feed and avoid pulling it too far forward.

[@robchevalley8960]

I just made almost exactly the same points in the post I just put on the comments to the video. Then I read yours and you was of the same opinion which reinforced my belief that I had a valid point. You being from Holland. I'm of the opinion that the Dutch have. a good grounding in still water ledger tactics . Nice one my friend !

[@leeprice7810]

Wow . Thanks for opening my eyes .

[@davechisholm6313]

Makes me feel better. When people say dnot move the feeder. Looks to me you HAVE to move it every time.to drag the hook bait to the feed. Plus straightens the hook link

[@thunderinthenight13]

Mind. Blown. For too long the carpy side of fishing has had access to this kind of information and have forged ahead with different rig components and dynamics. About time the match/coarse side got a chance to catch up. I can see some pretty interesting opportunities for things to change considerably. More of this please. I've always wanted to see whats going on in those far island margins at the end of the pole...

[@johnmelling1693]

Amazing to see the myth and legends of fishing being proved otherwise... Excellent footage

Very cool this place Congratulations beautiful Video. Hugs and good fishing! here from *Brazil!* 👍🎣🐟🐠😊

[@stevenabraham2796]

Absolutely brilliant vid Rob and Jamie certainly making me think my tactics through I agree with some of the other comments that strightening out would be an answer somthing I normaly wouldnt do...It would have beeen great to have seen that filmed I.. would be mixing the Ground bait wetter than normal and packing the feeder harder in the hope that it would stay in the feeder for the short journey

[@KevRoulson]

Fantastic video matrix I’ve always wondered how my hook baits landed now I know cheers

[@robertcoombs7419]

Keep these coming, a great insight to how it all happens underwater. Keep up the good work!

[@paulkerry69]

Great to see that old boy match was right when he told me to never fish a hooklink longer then 15cm on a still water. R.i.p. Aubrey Wainwright you was right

[@davidjessop6867]

Great video what an eye opener always thought using longer hook lengths kept it well away from the feeder looking forward to seeing the next lot of footage cheers Jamie

[@ryanogden5895]

Would be nice to see what a 4 or 6 inch hooklength is like. And would it be better or worse for bite indication, or would it just tangle up?

[@schoetersfrank]

thanks jamie this is a great video, so you see how it is under water, thanks for this important information. greetings Frank;)

[@danielchapman4031]

Great job love it Having a hook length land closer to feeder the better it has only the length of hook link to move 1m straight out is allowing fish to move 2m likewise with a 50cm it will be 1m if laid straight out What I out undertow that will clearly help to straighten you hooklink /push it away but sometimes not in the direction you want thanks keep it up matrix/rob Hugh’s

[@jamespeet2407]

that was unreal lads, ahead of the rest of the pack here! awesome

[@johnbambury3380]

Normally you don’t move a method feeder because bait is on top of it but when you use a paternoster style feeder either free running or fixed it’s usually going to pay to move feeder the length of hooklink to straighten hooklink and pull bait over emptied feeder

[@garygormley3842]

Cracking video very interesting to see how far you can move the bait before it's detected. Be good to see one with fly fishing ie fishing under the bung

[@davidtannock7894]

Brilliant video thanks Lots to think about

[@garysetch]

Thanks Jamie and Rob for a great video. I’ve been fishing for specimen roach in recent winters using helicopter / bolt rigs with a short hook length, would love to see how this presentation looks! Cheers Gary S

[@stephengeoghegan-doughty.5870]

50 years of wrong thinking "WOW' thanks Rob and Jamie.

[@adriannicholas5480]

Great vid - i'm thinking perhaps the FIPS 50 cm minimum h/l actually greatly handicaps catches- unless catching on drop. Perhaps its time for them to reconsider the 50cm rule?

[@lucas8352]

I don't know lads ;-) there's some things better left unknown ;-) my little bubble of blissfully thinking my rig is perfect every time has been well and truly popped. These underwater videos are really interesting, would love to see how fish react on camera to the various hook links. Lets get one of those sessions captured on camera fishing for Bream / Skimmers, now that'd be something else. Thanks for the video

[@igorcordas651]

More...pls,more of this..!!!

[@vladimirtemnyalov7059]

Great video! Spot on!

[@seatboxboy]

Hi Jamie maybe a twizzled loop at top of hooklength may kick the hooklength further away?

[@trevoror8668]

And that's where very deap hooked skims come from and the longer the hook line the worse this problem no one wants to admit to gets and hence my personal problem with the 50cm hook line

[@1975mycomputer]

Really great video. Food for thought. I wonder how a long hooklink would react to shot on the line when it descends. Please do more as i love videos like this guys

[@AnglingGuru]

What if you had wings on the feeder like a paper plane would it glide down rather than falling vertical pulling the hook length away further , I fish on the London docks where its between 18ft and 30ft deep we use long hook lengths to catch on the drop.

[@loganferguson3695]

Wat a vid good job matrix

[@postman622]

Really interesting footage, how to solve the problem is still a bit of a mystery

[@easyfishing1936]

Hi there guys well that’s a few myths exploded! I think where the rules allow I will try to keep to my helicopter rigs with very short hooklengths as it does seem to work very well. But let’s see some more of this as I think there are some very valuable lessons we can all learn and no doubt some more myths to explode! It was interesting that one comment stated that fish shy away from the feeder but I’m not sure about that one as I fish some crystal clear waters with very short 2 inch hooklengths and catch a lot of fish, and what about the success of the method feeder!! Regards Bill

[@EpiXxKilleurR]

Awesome video, yet would it be the same on a medium/fast flowing river or on big lakes with big underflows? Do you think the flow would kick the hooklenght away itself? Keep on this kind of vids its really nice!

[@robchevalley8960]

I'm very surprised that he was leaving the feeder where it settled. I was always taught to pull my hook bait back into my feed once given time for the feeder to empty thus placing the hook in amongst the loose feed and to straighten the rig incase incase it had landed in a way not optimal for best presentation. Also I was told to try to use a paternoster setup on a still water whenever possible as it would give best bite indication. Although I must admit never being able to test and compare variations with each other in a controlled way as seen in this video. Interesting and eye opening video all the same, nice one !

[@chrisbaldwin2954]

Fantastic footage guys, I'm sure lots of anglers will be altering there feeder set ups after watching. Is there any chance you could do some underwater footage on a river?

[@jamesatkinsfishing]

Very very good video and serprising wot happends to are hook baits 🤔🤔

[@stevenhurst9899]

Just a thought .... Why not use a helicopter rig with say an 6” hook link with the bead set around 15”-20” from the feeder , this takes away doubt about where your hookbait lands from your feeder & gives the fish less chance to move the hookbait before registering on the tip ?

[@strengthcoachlondon]

Unfortunately, FIPS rules state that the minimum length a hooklength can be is 50cm. But would definitely use a heli rig for non match conditions if fishery rules allowed it.

[@stevenhurst9899]

Dan Thomas I appreciate that but as part of the experiment they shortened the hook length to 30 cm and also tried a fixed paternoster, neither of which are allowed under CIPS rules . Just think it would be nice to see how effective a different rig would behave

[@robertwren8878]

Steven hurst.most match rules state that the feeder or bomb must be free running so helicopter rigs can't be used I'm afraid.👍

[@johnfryer3149]

Would really like to see helicopter rigs and method feeders as a comparison to running rigs. After watching how far fish can move before any registration of a bite in almost any direction how this distance would change on heli and method. Would presume the shorter the link the more bites would be seen to be strikable. If possible showing how fish react to such a short link so close to feeder.

[@martincox3946]

I wonder if any undertow would make a difference to straightening out the hook length?? may as well just fish a hybrid/method feeder, very interesting video all the same, well done both

[@robertbeaver3867]

I wonder if putting some shot on the hook length would take out some of the momentum as it swings in towards the feeder. Helping it fall straighter.

[@majmat]

No nothing will work unless the bait weighs more than the feeder using rigs he's used here.

[@MrDaSoNe2009]

Would the head wind not put a slight tow under the water pushing your light bait towards your feeder , so fishing with the wind over your back would be a greater chance of it pushing slightly further away ? Awesome video lads 👍🏻

[@strengthcoachlondon]

Tow often moves in the opposite direction to the wind. If the surface water pushes away from you, the layers underneath will push back towards you.

[@cerbere674]

Hello ! Many thanks for this footage, it is really an eye opener. I guess all anglers have dreamed having the possibility to see what happens underneath the surface. Honestly I was quite shocked by the proximity of the bait with the feeder at each cast but wasn't surprised by the "delay" in the detection, for me using a long hooklength is only relevant when you try to catch fishes more up to the surface. Since I don't do competitions, I will trim down all by hooklength in the future ;) Please do more videos like these, I can't wait to see the results. Perhaps could you try the same thing with match fishing for example, like when you use sliders, you put usually your whole hooklength on the bottom, so perhaps is the bite detection also delayed ? I wanted to use the opportunity to thank specially Jamie Harrison, I like to watch his personal channel and it is always interesting to watch even in the rare cases he doesn't get a bite ;) Matrix is a really good quality brand, keep up the good work, guys :D Thanks again from a French angler.

[@ifishmatrix]

Fred NIESS thank you for your kind words

[@dominicthompson96]

Would love to see what the difference would be on a river ??

[@strengthcoachlondon]

From this it's clear to see why a method is a better method, shorter hooklength means quicker bite detection. I don't want to think about how many fish have picked up and dropped my hook bait without me ever seeing it because of slack line.

[@strengthcoachlondon]

Well done captain obvious, I'm well aware that a damaged maggot was from a fish but I'd rather bring a fish back from striking a bite I can see than get a damaged bait come back from a bite I didn't see.

[@johnblunn5613]

Brilliant Footage! Eye opener in fact! I like many of us thought the hook length kicked out once it hit the clip, and settled away some distance from the feeder. This has changed My views completely, and now thinking maybe to wind in a little once feeder has settled, would this quicken the bite detection? Well Done Chaps for a very informative video. please take it to the next level and repeat process in moving water.

[@ifishmatrix]

john blunn we spoke about it after the filming and pulling the feeder to straighten the rig out us certainly something we’ll be doing in future

[@annesparks2091]

Matrix Fishing the hook length will kick out when you hit the clip but then the weight of the feeder will pull it down and the hook length being lighter will inevitably straighten vertically above the feeder. Once the feeder lands the hook link will free fall almost vertical and that is why I think it lands at almost the same distance no matter how long the hook length is.

[@JeffOrtega33]

Great informative video did you attempt fluorocarbon at all

[@robertcourt8593]

Can't say I'm surprised about any of the outcomes really. Having seen a lot of the carp underwater stuff ive been taught that you need a stiff link and a light hookbait to kick the hooklink out. The amount of movement before a bite is pretty obvious and is why helicopter rigs and method feeders are so effective. I'd be more interested in seeing how the bait reacts from different feeders and how much bait we actually put in to how much we think we're putting in. Good video though, matrix!

[@filthebeats]

Great video but a heavy worm was never going to change the result. Would have liked to see how floating maggots creating a critically balanced hook behaved in regards to our feeling it kicked out. Or at least time it takes for them to hit the deck between .13 mon0 and .21fluorocarbon.

[@del69raptorking]

I used to wonder how the hell my hooklink managed to get tied in a knot with my bomb/feeder as i just let my rig just plummet to the bottom (reminds me off the cable in the The Abyss film) , so now i'll be tightening up on the last second or so (depending on depth) just to get a pendulum effect to pull my bomb away from my falling hook-bait...

[@azendi43]

Would have been ace to see how.20 or .22 fluorocarbon reacts, and how different feeders release the ground bait. Also different groundbait ie with crushed hemp in etc. It’s no wonder your maggot is smashed and you’ve never seen an indication. Great video and very thought provoking.

[@ifishmatrix]

azendi43 we will be looking how feeders release and ways of feeding in the next episode

[@WoolavyLeeWilliams]

Fluorocarbon hooklengths, would they be more suitable for kicking the hookbait away from the feeder? in turn aiding bite detection? Worth a look perhaps? Similar to combi type links when carp fishing I suppose.

[@ifishmatrix]

lee williams it would have to be extremely thick to be stiff enough, and so probably reduce the amount of bites.

[@diaconescutiberiu7535]

I'm also interested in the fluorocarbon question along with it's dimensions. Also i saw Jamie didn't use any heavy particles (worms, dead maggots). Do you think adding few grams to the feeder would have made a noticeable difference.

[@ifishmatrix]

Diaconescu Tiberiu we did try a heavier and lighter feeder and it didn’t alter any of the results. The hook bait still landed close to the feeder.

[@majmat]

The deeper the venue the closer your hook lands to the feeder and there's no point in the groundbait/feed being in the feeder so i do wind a few turns to move the feeder away from the hook and this puts you right on your groundbait.

[@bromyarda]

It looked to me that the bait followed the ark down with the feeder, then when the feeder hit the bottom, the bait free fall down the last bit alone. And fell the few inches away.

[@stephenmonaghan5766]

Would love to know the product idea

[@kieronabbott6682]

So what's the new product going to be and when is it going to be up on you tube

[@ifishmatrix]

Kieron Abbott very early stages so might be a year away yet.

[@chrisdoan3254]

@@ifishmatrix any news on this new product

[@andrewpegg1050]

Any chance of doing the same thing with the method feeder

[@leafysfishing]

Striking into the hits like its a 30lb carp 😂 could've took it easy! Lol

[@tonyjenks271]

What about short hook lengths. Not long hook lenghts

[@millerslanding2310]

Dang!

[@djsimonrossprice9400]

Helicopter rig. 15 cm sorted