No One's Buying the 787-10. Here's Why...

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@cobyexplanes 8 ай бұрын

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@BobbyGeneric145 8 ай бұрын

I use Factor as a crewmember... The dinners are great but the breakfasts are terrible.

@zephyr_00 8 ай бұрын

There wasn't proper research put into this work. The B787-10 isn't lacking in sales. From EIS to date, the B787-10 has gained more orders than the B787-8. Sales of the B787-8 has been close to nothing since 2011. This was intentional by Boeing, preferring to sell the larger B787-9 than the smaller one. Coming to the B787-10ER/HGW, The B787-10 is MTOW limited and not fuel limited as perceived by media. The current B787-10 shares the same MTOW and fuel tank as the B787-9. At 254t, the B787-10 will only be able to load up around 60-65t of fuel (at MZFW), that's about 35-40t less than max fuel. It will be like 80-85t of fuel (to get Boeing brochure range of 11,910km), that's still 15-20t left. Soo adding extra fuel tank just removes valuable cargo space for Airlines with out achieving anything. The MTOW increase of 6t will only enable it fill existing tanks more. Unlike the B787-10, it's less of an issue for the B787-9. At the same 6t increase, it should enable it carry the same payload for longer and/or carry even more payload for the same distance. Adding more fuel tanks to anything doesn't always solve the issue. The A321 has an almost identical issue with the B787-10 and Airbus has been able to experiment with different configurations to deliver 8,000km+ range.

@zephyr_00 8 ай бұрын

NOTE: Airbus have been steadily increasing the MTOW and range of the A350 without adding any extra fuel tanks. The increase is just to have more allowance for the existing tanks.

@11Tits 8 ай бұрын

wait isnt factor literally hello fresh?

@zephyr_00 8 ай бұрын

@badpuppy3 8 ай бұрын

I'm definitely not buying one.

@whyamievenhere1334 8 ай бұрын

I am

@Flightsimmovies 8 ай бұрын

yep, me too

@KensoranAV 8 ай бұрын

I won’t unless they make a -10ER

@delta_cosmic 8 ай бұрын

let's be honest, who's gonna ?

@PVT_P0TAT0 8 ай бұрын

I can on but one so long as it’s in 1:100 scale because that’s the only one I can afford

@raffykock5545 8 ай бұрын

I think they are banking on the 777-8 to actually take longer ranges and larger capacity so that the dreamliner remains for relatively thin transpacific missions

@JimBronson 8 ай бұрын

Shrinks never work, I don't think it will this time either. The A350 will still be more efficient for this market segment, Boeing would have to make the -8 a lot cheaper than the A350-1000 for it to work, due to the reduction in capital acquisition costs. The 777-9 has a chance because it is larger than any A350 variant. Airbus has tried to shoehorn in 10 across to the -1000 to try to match it, but no airline has purchased the 10 abreast option.

@PixelVibe42 8 ай бұрын

My friend flies 787's. I hadn't realised that airlines are planning for 787 crew to fly the 777x as that's a better match. So basically they are treating the 777x as a 787 - meaning the 777x won't automatically be flown by existing 772/773 crew. So the 777x is becoming the 787-10, if that makes sense.

@Phallas-vo9nc 8 ай бұрын

Was gonna say. Isn’t the 787-10 and the new 777 kinda overlapping in market share?? Seems like they serve the same purpose now that the engines are so efficient that long range is the norm

@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 8 ай бұрын

@@PixelVibe42what? That makes no sense. The 772/773 is the same type rating as the 777X. So those crews will fly both.

@allanwico6314 8 ай бұрын

They kept the 787-10 that way to prop up and protect 777-8's market share. But alas I think Airbus has Boeing in checkmate as its shooting 2 birds with 1 stone which is the A350 😢

@abdelkadermehiz9407 8 ай бұрын

787 was originally made for medium capacity long haul category, it's a replacement for 767, which comes mainly in a330 type of service, I know it's not enough to slightly change it, but not many airlines even need to fly ultra longer routes, even Qantas, Singapore Airlines and Air New Zealand already bet on the 787 and bought dozens of it, i see that -10 little upgrade gonna be a smash hit for average carriers who don't need to fly ultra long

@rod_at_adelaide5766 8 ай бұрын

Qantas is using the 787 for Perth to London non stop flight but from 2026 will be using A350's

@abdelkadermehiz9407 8 ай бұрын

@@rod_at_adelaide5766 yeah but they have 14 787-9's and bought more 6 of the -9 and 6 of the -10 models, so in the bit shorter routes they're depending on lighter airframe of 787, also a350-1000ULR will be used mostly to Sydney as I heard

@rod_at_adelaide5766 8 ай бұрын

ok thanks for the info mate, where are they flying their 14 787-9's to? just curious@@abdelkadermehiz9407

@etjh0071 8 ай бұрын

Singapore Airlines** and they don't use the 787 for long haul flights. They use the A350, A380 and B777 just because they're more economical. They' have attempted to use the 787 for medium haul flights within Asia but they're selling their 787s to low-cost carriers, so safe to say it doesn't work out for full-service carriers.

@abdelkadermehiz9407 8 ай бұрын

@@etjh0071 yeah thank you, I know by the way yes, that is what I said read again, it's not for ultra long flights, only like a330 for some carriers they often use it for medium and sometimes for long haul, and average sized carriers like EgyptAir and Royal Air Maroc and Gulf Air use it as their long haul aircraft cuz they don't need to fly ultra long, so it's fitted to that type of service, how many times do i need to explain to someone in comments?!

@mcpr5971 8 ай бұрын

Thats really cool that you scored an interview with a Boeing VP! Congratulations, love seeing independent journalists grow and displace the cable-tv bobbleheads.

@tomrogers9467 6 ай бұрын

Did he explain why they had the whistleblower killed?

@prysmatic 6 ай бұрын

old boeing: quality and long-term thinking new boeing: money and short-term thinking

@tonywillans7556 5 ай бұрын

So it would seem. Boeing has lost its advantage in the market through quality control and design issues, that reveal a different culture than used to characterise Boeing aircraft.

@mate5571 3 ай бұрын

@@tonywillans7556Welcome to late-stage capitalism

@Mike-jv8bv 3 ай бұрын

@@mate5571 late stage capitalism is a myth and lie. this is corporatism.

@adybsiddiquee 8 ай бұрын

The -10 is an excellent sub-12h jet (similar to the A330-300), and (as much of an Airbus fan I am), beats the A359 & matches the A35K on a per seat mile basis on an identical config setup for a 6-7 hour mission. One big issue with the 78J is that on missions with decent pax & cargo, it refuses to trim the aircraft until the last 30T of fuel or so, thanks to its wing. So at high weights; it's constantly needing to decide to not trim, fly lower at higher airspeed, or fly at a high mach. Airbus had foresight to play around with the chord of the wing structure without affecting commonality too much. This is shown in the A359 & A35K, and also between A330s & A340s (and trim tanks on them too). Boeing sunk 50 billion USD into a wing that has little accommodation for modification without decimating commonality and requiring a whole array of re-certification and $$$ Boeing needs to forget about getting a significant pricing premium of the 78J over the 789, and sell it how it's supposed to be sold; a medium haul jet for sub-5000nm flights right up against the A339 and A359R

@justinkong6906 8 ай бұрын

Refuses to trim the aircraft until the last 30T of fuel? Sorry I've never heard about this, if you have time, do elaborate!

@JimBronson 8 ай бұрын

Best reply to this video. Boeing also needs to get their act together on the quality control issues.

@gavcom4060 Ай бұрын

Please explain the trimming part

@rais1953 8 ай бұрын

So let me see if I understand this. The 787-10 had the potential to be a powerful competitor to the A350 but penny-pinching bean counters wanted to save money so they denied it the ability to compete on an equal basis. Right? Because cutting corners to save money always works, right?

@soulquesthealingmusic2307 8 ай бұрын

Don't tell that to the idiots pushing Boeing in the comments. They get offended.

@burleystinnett9094 8 ай бұрын

The sales of the 787 far outpaces that of the A350 2 to 1!

@soulquesthealingmusic2307 8 ай бұрын

@@burleystinnett9094 Sure. Until the fires start, and the cheap parts make them fall out of the sky. Obviously, you have no background in Engineering or Safety culture. 'merica!

@soulquesthealingmusic2307 8 ай бұрын

@@burleystinnett9094 Blah, blah, blah. you sound like a Boeing executive, all sales, no safety.

@adybsiddiquee 8 ай бұрын

They blew 50 billion on the jet. They will likely not recoup their investment. Modifying the wing adds another 10+ billion in costs to the program. The original sin was Boeing engineers not envisaging growth or shrink of the wing to meet different demands.

@ecoRfan 8 ай бұрын

I’ve been on a 787-10 and it’s a solid and efficient people hauler. But limited range and long runway requirements are a minus. I wouldn’t call it a failure as it can still do a 12 hour flight. It probably won’t “take off” in sales until more 777-200/ER’s are retired.

@steinwaldmadchen 8 ай бұрын

But 777 are better replaced by A350 if the cargo demand and / or flight length is high enough. 787 is efficient but falls short on payload range.

@mandandi 8 ай бұрын

True, but by then the 787J will be competing with the A359! So, only airlines the truly require it will buy it, otherwise they will go for the A359, like JAL did to replace their aging 777s. This is a similar tale with the A330s replacement in the future, likely airlines will choose the 787 over the A330neo.

@AA-ks7bo 8 ай бұрын

i know this feedback will prolly go unheard, but you'd do well to include payload-range charts instead of just blanket range figures, it would paint a much fuller picture. thoertically, an airline wants to carry 320 pax (110kg combined pax, luggage, and seat weight) + 5 tons of belly freight. if you are to consult the 787-10's payload-range chart, you'd realize it would only be able to fly about 9800km (5300nm) carrying that much, while an A350-900 NPS would carry the same payload 13000km (7000nm). in other words, Boeing would have to do significantly more than small improvements to get the 787-10 on par with the A350-900.

@steinwaldmadchen 8 ай бұрын

After all it's a trade off. A350-900 is more expensive and has a significantly larger wing for its purpose, but not everyone need this.

@AA-ks7bo 8 ай бұрын

@@steinwaldmadchen The real trade off is fuel efficiency. studies found the 787-10 to be considerably more fuel efficient than the A359 (smaller wings aren't such a bad thing after all), but then airbus can offer much deeper discounts since they broke even on the A350 long ago, while it remains unclear if boeing will ever break even on the 787 program.

@steinwaldmadchen 8 ай бұрын

@@AA-ks7bo In terms of trip cost 787-10 and A350-900 is actually neck in neck. They have very similar in weight and technology. 787-10 stands out by having a longer fuselage. As long as it can carry the extra passengers and cargo, its unit cost is lower. Meanwhile A350 is more optimised on longer routes, thus carrying more payload further. So even United crossed the Pacific with 787-10, it is not the best way to use it.

@oadka 8 ай бұрын

Excellent point!

@oadka 8 ай бұрын

@@steinwaldmadchen as an economy passenger I would much rather take the A350's roomy 18.3" seat width any day over the 787's cramped 17".

@victormendoza5819 5 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, Boeing is not anymore a respectable company. Airbus is doing much better at every single segment. Boeing needs a new culture asap.

@Elitescientist-s3p 13 күн бұрын

Maybe Boeing 797 may change Boeings production and being more successful. And also maybe Boeing 797 can make more orders and flights unlike 787-10, this may make Boeing actually beat airbus or smth idk.

@survivalSC 2 күн бұрын

Boeing needs to move to more non union states. This way they can reward a worker that does great work and fire anyone that’s not at the top of getting work done perfectly

@Zafir89 7 ай бұрын

The problem with Boeing is they’re more worried about quantity than quality and making their planes cheaper, and Airbus on the other hand makes sure they’re building top quality stuff, which is why they’re winning.

@soccerguy2433 8 ай бұрын

9:14 its not about reinforcement of the struts and gear assembly. Its about tire area... distribution of that weight among more tires spread it out over a larger area. The limit is tires. Not the gear.

@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 8 ай бұрын

It’s the gear. 🤦🏻‍♂️

@marcmcreynolds2827 8 ай бұрын

I don't know what weight margin if any there might be in the struts (the long-lead item when upgrading gear components), but "footprint" often becomes a problem when an airframer looks to go higher and higher on MTOW. Regardless of how strong the gear structure and tires are, a pavement can only take so much. It won't fail outright, but accumulates fatigue damage and so limits are placed on the stress an airliner gear can impose. Those limits aren't as simple as just tire pressure/load, but that's a decent proxy for what's involved. A great example was the DC-10 vs the L-1011. The 10 was designed from the beginning to eventually take a dual center main landing gear, while the 1011 was not. Douglas sold plenty of long-range 10s as a result, while Lockheed was stuck with shortening the fuselage + jacking up tire pressure (of tires with more capacity than the standard 1011 one) to the most that airport authorities would allow. It still wasn't competitive with the DC-10-30 for long high-density routes, but at least it gave them a product to offer for that segment.

@lzh4950 6 ай бұрын

The longer the aircraft the higher the risk of tailstrike too when taking off, without a landing gear redesign

@NayNay-i9z 8 ай бұрын

They like the practice of cost cutting and PROFITS OVER SAFETY

@alamadre2 8 ай бұрын

I concur

@nickolliver3021 8 ай бұрын

so that is why no one is buying the 787-10?

@alvinloh9068 8 ай бұрын

@@nickolliver3021 cause the 787 nightmare crackliner is a flop - cracking so badly LMFAAOOOOO a fail next to Airbus.

@nickolliver3021 8 ай бұрын

@@alvinloh9068 haha you sure are a stalker of mine. The a350 crackliner is a total flop cracking so badly 6 other airlines experienced the same issue LMFAOOO a fail of airbus for sure LMFAOOOO

@alvinloh9068 8 ай бұрын

@@nickolliver3021 Nobody stalks you and cause you're crying all over the internet, darling! Shame shame Nicky, Copying others like what you usually do best - a lapdog is the best you could ever do. Yeah, we've seen Nick Oliver, useless lapdog as always, with his triggered Boeing fanboyism crying, biting his fingers in this channel as the years go on. He won't even believe what Boeing issues they are experiencing (and it is apparent to the world OMFG when Boeing wings are cracking inside out, the fuselage and paints peeling off, collapsed landing gear, misaligned structures and most importantly, MCAS leading to two tragic crack incidents in aviation history. Logic, explosions, combustible... it doesn't matter Boeing, the trash ticks them all, and Nicky is all pro-Boeing and anti-Airbus. Anything he says is not worth even mentioning whatsoever! What a sad clown! No authority will believe a word Nicky says, as he's merely a public joke not worth mentioning staning for Boeing for no reason, probably a sad clunky 7-year-old white knight wannabe. Nicky, the sad Barbie, is here telling everyone Boeing is always the perfect one without any faults, well at least he is delusional enough to accuse whatever Boeing's downfalls, fallacies and debacles had something to do with Airbus due to his pitiful insecurity and enviousness on Airbus's continual successes. If the dogshit 737 max were going to crash tomorrow and the public wouldn't be surprised anyway, he would still think Boeing remains in good quality, yikes.

@vietkhoa5916 8 ай бұрын

My country flag carrier Vietnam airline currently has 4 78X in their fleet and plan to receive 2 more this year. However they only use 78X for domestic and some 5 hrs flight to north east asia

@IsraelJacobson-mt2vj 6 ай бұрын

I refuse to buy one, even though I’ve been spammed with special discounts, sidewalk sales, and factory blowouts, I must say no

@flyontop 8 ай бұрын

It seems that Boeing’s Management Team sucks and it prides itself on making ALL THE WRONG DECISIONS (reason #4) and while this is going on their credibility with their customers and potential customers keeps on eroding (reason #5 and perhaps the most important).

@RealGaryGibson 8 ай бұрын

But they're really good at DEI hiring!

@flyontop 8 ай бұрын

@@RealGaryGibson😂😂😂 but at least now you’ll be flying on a “moral high ground” built aircraft

@nickolliver3021 8 ай бұрын

@@flyontop What has the fact that the 787-10 isnt getting orders got to do with Boeings management team sucks? their credibility with customers and potential customers is not eroding! The 787 program is doing really well now

@flyontop 8 ай бұрын

If the 737 program or the quality of the later 747-8 models vs the 400 or the Air Force’s 76 Frankentanken fiasco, or perhaps the CTK joke of a program that Boeing has with the tools left inside aircraft then I really don’t know. But if you feel that they are doing great it is your opinion. Only on future sales is where we will get the real answers. Let’s start by asking United.

@greybuckleton 8 ай бұрын

I think you might have missed one of the main issues of a larger fuselage and same wing. The wing loading is increased above the ideal drag values, making the wing ultimately less efficient. The 777-300 has this same issue.

@ressljs 8 ай бұрын

Please don't encourage Boeing to slap together a quick fix design to compete with Airbus. We know how that story ends.

@nickolliver3021 8 ай бұрын

What quick fix are you thinking of to slap together to compete with airbus?

@ressljs 8 ай бұрын

@@nickolliver3021 I don't know, if they can't fit the extra gas in the wings, maybe they could squeeze it into the tail and secretly install Super-MCAS to rebalance the jet.

@nickolliver3021 8 ай бұрын

@@ressljs the 787 doesn't need mcas at all! Are you insane or just trying to make stuff up because the 737 has mcas?

@ressljs 8 ай бұрын

@@nickolliver3021 I thought it would have been clear my last post was a joke. I was proposing the most absurd way they could try to fit more fuel onto the jet.

@nickolliver3021 8 ай бұрын

@@ressljs I can't tell a joke from a comment on KZbin

@SRT-fv6wr 8 ай бұрын

Do we get a why the A350 1 isn't selling as well?? Considering they both sold almost exactly the same numbers, around 270 each.

@cobyexplanes 8 ай бұрын

I've already covered this in other videos, so might not warrant its own breakdown. But long story short, the -300ER is still a fairly young family and most airlines aren't ready to retire them (yet). That should start changing in the very near term - EVA, JAL, even Emirates are all now looking at the plane as a replacement for the 777

@isthatso5616 8 ай бұрын

@cobyexplanes👌

@AEMoreira81 6 ай бұрын

@@cobyexplanes -- Japan Airlines just started putting the A350 as a 777 replacement into service. The delay was caused by product supply chains. JAL is now going in heavy on Airbus, when its A350 order was its first ever Airbus order.

@lzh4950 6 ай бұрын

@@AEMoreira81 Yup I read that JAL was traditionally a loyal Boeing customer (like ANA) as quite a number of Boeing's suppliers are Japanese too e.g. lithium-ion batteries by GS Yuaza, fueslage & wings by Mitsubishi & Kawasaki

@dinbee4611 8 ай бұрын

If the 787-10 is cheaper in development and operating cost but only lacks travel distance compared to the competition, that can actually be resolved easily as long as the operating cost is much lower than other aircrafts of the same passenger capacity by tweaking the system. I usually travel from MNL-LAX (also MLA-SFO alternatively) and back but I noticed on the return, we would usually take a short stop in Guam for refueling before continuing to MNL. (This was with the B-747 plane) The MNL-LAX route did not need refueling and so it was a direct flight but after some research I found out it was due to the help of the eastern jet stream phenomenon as it helped boost the flight from a strong tailwind, but not so on the reverse flight as planes fly against the stream. Only once did we have a direct flight from LAX-MNL and it was found to be due to the flight being only about half full or so, thereby lighter in weight. So the tweak here is just to incur more refueling stops (no need for passenger offloading). However one issue which was not covered extensively of why sales of this model was not going well is probably due to Boeing's credibility which has faltered lately, in lieu of the many defects of their planes encountered and also crashes partly due to their erroneous design/poor computer programming, etc.

@saschaganser9671 8 ай бұрын

It`s always funny if a non expert is talking about airplanes. Issue is usually not fuel capacity but MTOW. It`s also not about range that much, but about payload - range and in field performance. The Ten might be one of these planes that just got a little stretched too far, thus it has excellent economics. Still, airlines find great use for it. SIA uses their Tens for inner Asia missions with great success, flying high demand missions with a large economy class. United flys theirs across the Atlantic, great plane for these 6-8 hour missions if you don`t need to carry much cargo. Qantas will use the Ten to fly their routes to Asia. Etihad has great use for their plane, having multiple favorable missions to Europe that are ideal for the Ten, despite having hot & high issues. The competition the Ten faces is underrated. Her smaller sibling is a strong competitor that can fly almost every thinkable route and is perfectly sized as the 250-280 Pax plane. The A359 is the same size and delivers a stronger performance with more capabilities. It has sold 1000 units and is a fantastic plane. People underestimate how good A359 and B789 work for airlines. And, a bit forgotten, if you need a WB for shorter routes, the A339 can come cheap and is available. Also, don`t forget that many orders still can be changed. As air travel grows over time and airlines need more capacity, with many families orders shifted to the stretched versions. Overall, i don`t think the Ten is doing bad. It`s a great airplane if you need to fly above 300 pax on 4-8h missions and there are plenty of routes out there. A little bit more wing, a little bit more thrust, a little bit more range, and you have made an already attractive airplane even better.

@rel6438 8 ай бұрын

so the a350-1000 has 5 more orders then the 787-10 what’s your point again, you don’t like boeing aircraft I get it 😮, but then again there are 453 777x orders so why don’t you say you airlines really don’t like the A350-1000

@TJEyre 5 ай бұрын

Those two aren’t direct competitors, the A350-1000 was developed to compete and replace the 777-300ER. Can’t compare your example.

@rel6438 5 ай бұрын

@@TJEyre I agree you cannot compare the two aircraft A350-1000. but airbus made this one aircraft to compete with two different aircraft types and that’s a fact

@beagle7622 8 ай бұрын

266 orders out of 1909. I would hardly call that a failure. With the current rate of orders coming in & the number of planes being delivered. I doubt whether Boeing are worried.

@deannelson9565 8 ай бұрын

Especially when you factor in the -8 came out 2011 and the dash 9 came out in 2014 where as the -10 didn't come out till 2018. When you look at it the -8 is the under performing bird.

@lzh4950 6 ай бұрын

@@deannelson9565 The 789 not only could fly more passengers but also didn't have much shorter range than the 788, but the latter probably already offers enough capacity for LCCs due to their higher-density seat layout e.g. Scoot's 788s seat 326 pax while ZipAir's ones seat 288 (the latter are second-hand from Japan Airlines I remember)

@Choosewiselyeye 3 ай бұрын

@@lzh4950compare that to the a350 over 1002 orders 😂

@skbenergy 8 ай бұрын

I live in the Caribbean where we see the 777-200 from British Airways know those birds have some age on them and they will eventually retire them but I always wondered what will they send in place.

@TomNyon 7 ай бұрын

brings back memories of flying to antigua on a 744 with virgin atlantic. Seems like its a a333 doing that job now.

@dennisthebrony2022 8 ай бұрын

Also, why did Boeing build 787-10 to compete with the A350-900, instead of building a smaller 777-7X to compete with the A350-900, since the 777 has more range than the 787-10? They could've use the 777-200 airframe to create an even smaller 777X, the -7?

@mandandi 8 ай бұрын

True, but the aluminum would have faced stiff competition against the plastic. The same goes for the A330-neo against 787. No competition.

@Kiskaloo 8 ай бұрын

Shrinks have poor economics. A 777-7 would be far heavier than an A350-900 and burn more fuel because of it. It is why Airbus cancelled the A350-800 shrink and instead updated the A330 family with new engines.

@charleshammer2928 8 ай бұрын

Why didn't Boeing upgrade the 757 with new wings and more efficient engines, new interior etc. etc call it the 757 Max to compete with the A321 neo? Why? Because it's run by idiots.

@Jabid21 8 ай бұрын

I believe a smaller 777X will not be as cost efficient in operations as an a350-900 or 787-10 would be and it probably wouldn’t have had enough sales numbers to justify creating the variant. Although the 777X would have a higher MTOW rating and have engines powerful enough for places with high altitude airports or hot desert climate like the middle-east.

@tdmexe 8 ай бұрын

That would be cool, but the 777-8X already suffers from airframe optimization problem (wing & engine being too big). Also, it would give Airbus an even longer headstart. The 777-7X would take even longer to enter the market, and by that time, the A350 would already take over the market (787-10's problem, but way worse).

@lymancopps5957 8 ай бұрын

Typical Macdonald Douglas playbook: Recycle old planes instead of a clean sheet design.

@soulquesthealingmusic2307 8 ай бұрын

Bandaids, Duct Tape and loose bolts. That is Boeing today. A shitty company that needs to go out of business.

@pialelek 7 ай бұрын

Airlines that have committed to the A350 will not introduce 787-10s to their fleet

@nghiatruong3457 8 ай бұрын

I like the A350 and 787 by its nose, cockpit's windows design. This design makes the plane look smaller than actual size itself.

@burakozc3079 6 ай бұрын

3- People afraid of boeing.

@11bravo57 6 ай бұрын

Im a proud owner of the 787. Im quite happy with it. I travel it non stop. Then my wife calls me for dinner and I shut down the simulator.

@dennisthebrony2022 8 ай бұрын

The 787-10 is more of a 777-200 NON-ER Replacement than the 777-200ER.

@zephyr_00 8 ай бұрын

NOTE: Airbus have been steadily increasing the MTOW and range of the A350 without adding any extra fuel tanks. The increase is just to have more allowance for the existing tanks.

@cptalpdeniz 6 ай бұрын

This is the actual reason. Better analysis on the situation.

@Roboseal2 8 ай бұрын

3:04 Id like to note that united plans on keeping those planes for another 5-7 years despite already being about 30 years old.

@FrancisFjordCupola 8 ай бұрын

"Sort out some production issues" is an entire euphemism. Truth is the 787 was never designed to reach the 787-10 version in any optimized fashion, thus it falls by the wayside. In the meantime Boeing continues tweaking bad designs. The 737 MAX? Murder machine. The 777X? Vaporware. Boeing thinks itself smart. A smart Boeing would have continued to develop airplanes instead.

@keeganyocum3300 8 ай бұрын

Wile you never question Techno Jesus’s vaporware.

@marcmcreynolds2827 8 ай бұрын

"737 MAX? Murder machine" At a rate of one crash per 900,000+ flights, not a very efficient one.

@Phat737 6 ай бұрын

Boeing’s entire commercial aviation division is a failure. Instead of building great products, they became a bank and their product line will fade into the sunset

@devanarayananj1291 8 ай бұрын

Can't say that -10 is a failure. A330neo is supposed to be the 787 competitor not the A350. The -10 alone is outselling 330neo series

@zoutezoen 8 ай бұрын

Either you’re a big Boeing fan or ignorant. The A330neo competes with the B787-8 and -9. There was no -10 when the neo program was made. How can it compete with a non existent plane?

@edluv84 8 ай бұрын

@@zoutezoen so how can the dash 10 compete head to head with the 350? cause they aren't the same. the 777 and 350 are competitors. duh

@zoutezoen 8 ай бұрын

@@edluv84 do the math

@edluv84 8 ай бұрын

@@zoutezoen no, you do the math. apples vs oranges.

@samedwards6683 8 ай бұрын

Thanks so much for creating and sharing this informative and timely video. Great job. Keep it up.

@memfan7417 8 ай бұрын

Just wanna say that I absolutely love your videos! I'm not in the aviation industry at all, but I've always been an aviation fan, and you're videos really provides a great window. Thanks so much for making these videos!

@spiderrico1853 6 ай бұрын

I flew the 787-10 couple months ago to Tokyo. Great plane!

@AudiophileTubes 6 ай бұрын

If it's BOEING, i'm not GOEING!

@sebastiannewburn 2 ай бұрын

I’ve gone on Boeing my entire life

@zephyr_00 8 ай бұрын

@davis6123 8 ай бұрын

Once the 777 and A330 replacement cycle gets into full swing the 787-10 is going to do great. It’s just not its time yet.

@BarkingLondon 8 ай бұрын

No, it’s too little too late imo.

@jpazinho 8 ай бұрын

I think all Boeing's decision in the last 15 years give you an answer to your last question - shortsighted...

@angelarch5352 6 ай бұрын

12:23 when you showed the picture of the Boeing door, I was expecting it to explode off the plane.. like usual

@Southafricaa330 3 ай бұрын

Name 5 times that has happened on a Boeing 787

@GooglePlusPages 18 күн бұрын

Boeing emplanements run about a million pax PER DAY worldwide and go from point A to point B in safety and comfort. Be fair.

@maegenyoungs2591 8 ай бұрын

Part of the problem is all the different models, they need to bang out one before they start another, when you jump around, it creates a lot of problems we have seen 😊

@rod_at_adelaide5766 8 ай бұрын

With the sentiment regarding Boeing build quality at the moment I think Airbus needs to think about doubling the the A350 production schedule! I'm flying JAL 787 8/9 SYD to LHR in May and looking forward to my first flight on the 787.

@Rasscasse 8 ай бұрын

Airbus is now planning to bring the A350 program build from an average of five aircraft per month in 2022, to nine in 2025, an 80% increase. Even the relatively slow-selling A330neo will see growth from three aircraft per month to 4

@htownsend3284 6 ай бұрын

Your first flight on any BOEING commercial aircraft...might just be your last!!! When the people who build the airplane say, in no uncertain terms, they wouldn't dare fly on one of those planes...that ought to tell you something!!

@emmans05 6 ай бұрын

If its BOEING, I won't be flying!

@christopherjared1277 8 ай бұрын

... it sounds good to say an ER version of the v10 would be a transpacific plane. However, the most profitable routes in the world are transatlantic, for which the current range of v10 is fine. And the 787 does a great job at replacing the aging 767s. Airlines like United and Air Canada need twin aisle planes to service both profitable heavy routes within North America, and transatlantic at the same time. At the moment, v9 and 300ERS work for transpacific just fine. ... What Boeing needs to "fix" is getting the 777X out the door.

@steinwaldmadchen 8 ай бұрын

Even 789 fall short in payload when compares to 772, while A350 is actually slightly better than similar sized 777s. Therefore many airlines in Asia, especially with strong cargo demand, prefer A350 over 787 as their workhorse. Cathay for example has zero 787s, while in SIA 787 are exclusively regional. It doesn't mean 787 is bad, but it's better suit for lightly loaded flights. btw Asian carriers are more willing to invest in new aircraft, as the routes are more demanding, fuel saving is more significant, while competition is fierce. For example, majority of early 77Ws delivered before 2010 are to Asian or Middle East carriers, while 744 has largely faded out from their Transpacific fleets in the 2010s. 20 years is considered old here.

@christopherjared1277 8 ай бұрын

...You make a very good point. Cargo capacity (and ease of loading and unloading) is more important in Asia than elsewhere. In North America, it is all about the business traveler. tourists demand such low fares, they get what they get, and they complain but won't pay more. ...However with freight, Boeing has to get the 777X out the door. It is the future for freight and long haul PAX travel. Thus the Emirates 777X order. ... On fleet age, you are correct. But I would like to note the large outstanding orders by North American carriers. Both for twin and single aisle planes. The age problem was really a corporate merger problem, and that is finally being sorted out.@@steinwaldmadchen

@steinwaldmadchen 8 ай бұрын

@@christopherjared1277 I doubt 777X still have the cargo advantage right now. 777-9 is still physically bigger, but its higher MTOW is not enough to compensate its much higher OEW, let alone fuel burn. 777X's delay has given Airbus plenty of time to improve its offerings. I don't think TATL operators have the urge to replace aircraft that often. After all, LAX-SVO is a mere 12h flights, while for the same time you can't reach anywhere beyond PVG from YVR. In fact for shorter TATL routes often it's cheaper to fly A330CEO and burn more fuel than buying any new aircraft, A330NEO included.

@christopherjared1277 8 ай бұрын

... I was thinking that the majority of volume for Asian airfreight was within Asia, no? Moving around parts and pieces towards final assembly? If that is the case, the MTOW would not come into play, not that much fuel is needed. ... Regarding aircraft age. United Airlines has orders for 150 x 787s, plus options for another 100. Before covid, Air Canada had initiated a merger with Air Transat, thus to put the fleets together, it made sense for AC to purchase used A330s from SIA. But that merger is off, and AC is instead seeking fleet commonality, and recently ordered 20 of v10s. Both United and Air Canada will be flying all variants of 787.@@steinwaldmadchen

@steinwaldmadchen 8 ай бұрын

@@christopherjared1277 A lot of them are TPAC, for example Cathay Pacific used to ship quite a lot of iPhones from CGO to US via its HKG hub. Remember Asia has been the manufacturing powerhouse. While N. American carriers do make big orders, they have some really old fleet to be replaced. United for example has 763s and 772s at 28 and 24.2 years on average respectively, which both are even less efficient than A330CEO. For reference JAL's 77Ws are already at the way out, despite the oldest is barely at 20.8 years. ME3 and SIA are famous for ditching aircraft early as well. Flight length determinds how significant the fuel savings can outweight acqusition cost.

@lucreciomacuacua661 8 ай бұрын

The issues raised are really important to think about! But the point is that Boeing are not willing to make the 787-10 a 777 competitor. Or at least is still a dilemma if they want to fill the sales gap to the A350-1000…

@paulgerard5413 3 ай бұрын

How are you increasing range on the dash 10? Well, we’re leaving parts off and leaving nuts and bolts off to save weight and increase range.

@Secretlyanothername 8 ай бұрын

It's worth noting that the JFK-AKL route for the 787 has been plagued with problems. A strong headwind is all that's needed to force AirNZ to need a fuel stop halfway across the Pacific.

@AEMoreira81 6 ай бұрын

Eventually, there will be a Code C plane with only 227 seats. Qantas flies the same route with a 236-seat B789.

@Blank00 Ай бұрын

What they need to do is to reconfigure their planes with less sets. That’s how Singapore Airlines is able to send A350ULRs from Singapore all the way to EWR

@hakingoye2335 7 ай бұрын

Damn I was about to buy one. Thanks for the heads up, will buy the A350-900.

@makanakachiturumani5278 8 ай бұрын

Anyone who started watching him now it's an everyday thing?

@LordShadow593 8 ай бұрын

1 major factor is not being addressed (again). How much market will a redesigned 787-10ER capture for appr. 1000 more nmi in range? And how much would that cost A 787-10ER would need better engines, a new wing, better landing gear and redesigned fuel tanks to compete with the A350-900. Modifications that are not cheap.

@steinwaldmadchen 8 ай бұрын

It seems like they can squeeze 6t higher MTOW, and translate into a 400-ish nm range increase. That's it.

@ivanviera4773 8 ай бұрын

@@steinwaldmadchen Yeah it seems like an ER version would need more substantial modifications. With the HGW versions it looks like they are increasing fuel capacity of the existing tanks since they did not fill it up to the max.

@steinwaldmadchen 8 ай бұрын

@@ivanviera4773 787 is limited by its MTOW. As it roughly burns around 5.4~5.8t/h of fuel, 6t can at best translate into 1 hour further. A350 can significantly outperforms 787 because it has a sigificantly higher wing area and MTOW, while its gears are designed to spread the load better. But those are too much for -9, the best selling variant of 787.

@steinwaldmadchen 8 ай бұрын

@@ivanviera4773 787 is weight limited. It burns 5.4~5.8t/h, so 6t increase translate to at most 1h flight time. Of course with more substantial changes it can go further, but that would be overkill for smaller variants. An excess aircraft is not efficient, A350-800 or MAX7 are good examples.

@baadnewz017 8 ай бұрын

The 787 is a great aircraft, and better than the A350 in several ways. However, we must remember that the 787 is not the direct competitor for the A350. Boeing is betting that the 777x will be the number one selling aircraft for their wide-body jets.

@johniii8147 8 ай бұрын

No they are not betting that at all. would be an unrealistic goal given its size

@justsh01 3 ай бұрын

Darn it. Was just about to place an order for a dozen 787 through door dash. There goes my day!

@Ayden2008 8 ай бұрын

*they should make a 787-10ER* He covered that in a separate video

@kylecampbell1444 8 ай бұрын

Reports were a couple years ago that they were making a -9LR and a -10ER. The -9 would of had the same range as the A350XLR

@steinwaldmadchen 8 ай бұрын

@@kylecampbell1444 Do note that 359's MTOW has already grown from 275t in 2014 to 283t right now (which is more than the 6t gain of 787 IGW0, as well as having a much more long haul optimised design. It would be good enough for many airlines, but not taking away the crown from A350.

@chrismckellar9350 8 ай бұрын

Boeing Commercial doesn't have the money or time to work a Boeing 787-10ER dues to the the B737MAX fiasco. By the time Boeing does work on -10ER variant, Airbus will have the A350-1000lr version being develop from the A350-1000 'extend range' as purchase by Qantas for Project Sunrise.

@joechang8696 8 ай бұрын

in theory, two planes with equal passenger floor space/capacity differing in max range, the one with lower range should also have lower empty weight. even though it cannot handle the longer route, a lower weight should mean better economics for intermediate range. but in actuality, the 787-10 and A350-900 have similar OEW. so perhaps Boeing goofed on 787-10. Boeing also goofed on 777-X because the metal fuselage is heavier than the all composite 350. Meaning it is neither optimized for ultra long range or best intermediate fuel economy.

@fighter5583 8 ай бұрын

They went with metal because it's too expensive to make a body of that size all composite. As a plane being marketed for a 747 replacement, I doubt they could make it work. Efficiency for its size it would've been, but airlines like cheaper aircraft.

@ndlben7129 8 ай бұрын

Oh well, the 787-10 didn't sell better than the A350-1000?

@talesfromunderthemoon 8 ай бұрын

… while A350-1000 is reaping its renaissance season.

@ivanviera4773 8 ай бұрын

This enhance 787-10 its more like a HGW variant than an ER version.

@mandandi 8 ай бұрын

Yeah, and it will be interesting to see how airlines replace their 777-ERs in the coming years. That's when the A350-1000 sales might really take off.

@ivanviera4773 8 ай бұрын

@@mandandi Yeah many of the 777-300's out there still young so no doubt the A350-1000 sales will pick up when retirement of those 777-300 begins.

@ndlben7129 5 ай бұрын

@@ivanviera4773 XD!!! having vocations of a messiah coming to earth makes le laugh. Looks like the Airbus Fanboys don't know that more 787-10s have been sold than A350-1000s. As for the 777-9 with 450 sales, You are pathetic but funny!

@Marsalien100 7 ай бұрын

It's kind of shameful that they think they can call it a "new plane" when in fact it shares 80% of the same parts as the older models. That doesn't make it a new plane. That makes it a copy and what we know about copies is they're usually worse than the original.

@SRT-fv6wr 8 ай бұрын

A330 neo laughing on the sidelines.Thought it was the closest competitor to the -10..😊

@vinniebagofdonuts6643 8 ай бұрын

SRT is correct here👍 787 as a replacement for 767, which directly competes with the Airbus A330 classes. That’s the real money comparison.

@anhminho6115 8 ай бұрын

A330neo is the closest conpetitor to the B787-8 and B787-8. However, they’re just too slight conpetitors

@bobdobalina838 8 ай бұрын

Boeing redesign something that doesn't work? Yeah right i'm sure they'll get the 737 team on that right away 😅

@Bobadillak100 8 ай бұрын

There is already a 787-10ER, it is call 777X, the 350 never was a competition for the 787, it was for the 777, in fact airbus is working on an airplane to compete in that specific segmen.

@zoutezoen 8 ай бұрын

For a long time coming that 777X you’re referring to, the 777-8 only exists on paper, with a big question mark will it ever materialize

@d8889 8 ай бұрын

Airlines are facing a new issue: passengers do not want to flight on 787s and 737s MAX. I wouldn't be surprised if even other versions sales would drop in the future. Boeing killed the golden eggs goose by itself.

@Kiskaloo 8 ай бұрын

The 787-9 replaced a significant number of 777-200 and 777-200ERs as the cabin lengths are almost identical so it was a "plug-in replacement" for many airlines. There are a not-insignificant number of 777-300ERs in operation today that are used for their capacity, not their range, and I believe the 787-10 should sell fairly well into that market as it is lighter than the A350-1000 and much lighter than the 777X.

@steinwaldmadchen 8 ай бұрын

Depending on payload requirement. A350-900 can carry 10t more payload than 787-10 beyond 5000nm, or fly 1300nm further with the same payload. It is slightly smaller than 787-10 and more expensive, but the payload-range advantage is enough to pay off on longer routes.

@andrewyoung3299 8 ай бұрын

I know United replaced their 200ERs with the 787-9s on the Sydney - Los Angeles & Sydney - San Francisco routes. Heck, even United fly from the major Australian east coast cities to Los Angeles & San Francisco using the 787-9s!

@steinwaldmadchen 8 ай бұрын

@@andrewyoung3299 For some airlines 787 may work, but still doesn't change the fact that A350 is the better lifter. On SIN-SFO for example United often has to block 1-2 rows of seats on its 257-seat 789s in winter, while SIA's 253-seat 359 can always with all seats filled plus some cargo. On SIN-LAX United decided the payload restriction is too severe for 789 to be profitable, while SIA flies up to twice daily with the same 253 seat 359.

@Kevin-sl2yw 8 ай бұрын

B787-10 competes with the A350-900 in terms of capacity. A350-1000 competes with the B777-300ER. The B787-10 is better suited for dense routes under 7-8 hours for its lower weight but loses out on flexibility and range of the A350-900, which can also be reconfigured as ultra long range (ULR).

@JimBronson 8 ай бұрын

Say what @kiskaloo? I can't see the 7810 replacing the 77W on that many routes. These will mostly go A350-1000 unless Boeing pulls a rabbit out of it's hat on the 777X efficiency.

@openbabel Ай бұрын

The max program will be scrapped so there is plenty of capacity to relaunch an updated 757 and 787 with a new uniform cockpit design. These planes are seemly still certified across the world as flyable for the time being. Boeing is on life support from the American taxpayer. This will finish soon due to international trade rules. Boeing is sinking through incompetent management and toxic culture. It will get smaller and smaller until it takes the hard decisions to compete or go bust. An appointment of yet another failed USA CEO instead of a European or UK CEO devoid of the politics and toxic culture which has killed this company.

@bringbackmd7579 8 ай бұрын

1700 total 787 sales...!!! Hmm 🤔. Last i checked ,was well over 1900 .

@cobyexplanes 8 ай бұрын

Haha I wrote this script a few months back then Boeing went out and killed it at the Dubai Airshow. My bad

@isthatso5616 8 ай бұрын

@@cobyexplanesnahhh.!!

@zephyr_00 8 ай бұрын

@MarcPagan 8 ай бұрын

As a pilot, that only thing I can say is? Oy vey /dios mio Boeing. Who dropped the ball? Competitive, customer needs, and customer desires research are something one learns in Marketing 101.

@Sithvulcan76 5 ай бұрын

For a step child variant, 258 orders actually seems pretty good. The 787-10 is doing better than most. Usually, the step child variant is an aircraft line doesn't get more than 60 orders.

@delta_cosmic 8 ай бұрын

At least it's selling better then the A330neo. So it could be worse.

@globetrotter7778 8 ай бұрын

My thoughts exactly. If he thinks that the 787-10 isn't selling, he should check out the A330-800.

@steinwaldmadchen 8 ай бұрын

@@globetrotter7778 He already discussed before why A330NEO is not selling, and why Airbus still decided to go ahead.

@cvt-4u267 8 ай бұрын

@@globetrotter7778lol😂😂

@goldgamercommenting2990 5 ай бұрын

I prefer the 787-8 and 787-9 These guys are fancy looking aircraft that also surprisingly enough, made the A350 possible But if you want to make a long distance flight now days…. Use both

@CDM1957 4 ай бұрын

I thought this video was going to be a good one. Unfortunately, approximately a minute and a half into it, we see a commercial imbedded in the video. That's when I stop watching ANY video. Those of us who are premium members pay to avoid commercials between videos. So KZbin simply allows or enables commercials to be inserted DURING the videos. Seems a little dishonest. A LINK to a commercial or provider merchandise is different in that it allows the viewer chooses to watch it. That's acceptable. I don't do commercials and hope others will follow my lead on this.

@Vicstarz26 8 ай бұрын

They're quite a few airlines who have ordered the 787-10 and more will most likely be ordered this year.

@Thesmellofrain-h6o 8 ай бұрын

COBY IS SO NEGATIVE. The787-10 is not a failure! It is a little early to say that the 787-10 is a failure. This coming from an Airbus fan.

@Kirovets7011 6 ай бұрын

First of all, Boeing needs to change their policy entirely!! That means: Quality FIRST and money SECOND. As long as they don't change that, Boeing will be troublesome. Period.

@PokoTheDinosaur 8 ай бұрын

Boeing: $$$ > Safety Airbus: Safety > $$$

@sokolum Ай бұрын

AIRBUS 350-1000 has more to offer and certified. The 777-10 still not certified and further delayed.

@AuX79 8 ай бұрын

here i am hoping the 787-10 will succeed soon

@enigmaticcruz2483 6 ай бұрын

Why would any airliner choose the 787-10 over the upcoming 777-8/9? Especially if they're planning on replacing their aging 777s.

@mandtgrant 8 ай бұрын

Lose the base line in the background. Pretty annoying

@gavcom4060 5 ай бұрын

I bet you complain about the noise of a car passing by your house

@user-ko4pe9yd4e 4 ай бұрын

When I look for flight now, I look for airlines and flights that are not using Boeing planes. They lost my trust.

@soccerguy2433 8 ай бұрын

5:27 is no one talking about that transition between the 777 & a350? 😮

@FernGullyandtheLastKlumous 8 ай бұрын

The 787-10 is a pleasure to fly in, it has the best characteristics of the line.

@Perich29 8 ай бұрын

I love the 787.

@coyotelong4349 8 ай бұрын

Gee, I can’t imagine why nobody’s interested After all, Boeing has a Sterling safety and reliability reputation in recent years, and certainly nobody thinks they’re putting profits ahead of making quality aircraft

@bradhaughton6698 8 ай бұрын

I love how the dog just comes up and, like, can I get one, please😊.

@ryu0016 5 ай бұрын

When there is a cheaper, better, and more reliable A359 or A35k available, who will take the risk again on the newly developing 787-10ER？

@Calebs_Aviation 8 ай бұрын

I’d still buy one! I love the 787-10 the most beautiful variant although I still think the 777-8 will do a great job replacing the 777-300ER & maybe Boeing should even downsize to a 777-7 to replace the 777-200ER truly! 😊

@steinwaldmadchen 8 ай бұрын

A350-1000 can basically do almost all 777-8 can do at a significantly better trip cost, while 777-9 can carry more than -8 with minimal extra cost. 777-8 as a passenger plane is dead on arrival.

@mkazharies2121 8 ай бұрын

well... i think you forgot 1 biggest reason yet... "The Boeing MCAS Scandals" that lost trust by everyone. from passenger to even boeing engineers itself!

@Dreamweaver787 8 ай бұрын

Airlines are buying the -10 just not in the numbers of the -9, also as Boeing has launched the -10IGW and once figures are in for it's performance this will sell pretty well, it's no fail as the title suggests but give it a few years and it will be a good seller. And to me if Boeing are banking on the 77-8 to cover the payload and range but we all know it's a plane which will not sell, spend the money on the 787 -11 with a new bigger wing and wing box, upgrade the landing gear to a triple bogie set, and increase engine thrust and it will be a success to covering the whole medium to long range aircraft with fleet commonalty to existing 787 airlines.