Cockpit Audio SAM Shootdown of RF-4C, Callsign Dodge 1

[@patticallihan8515]

My husband was a F4 fighter pilot. Was shot down . Captured spent over two years in a tiger cage. Finally went to Hanoi Hilton after two years. Came back still had nightmares even though he made it to the rank of Col. Went back in when the Gulf war was on. Died after Six months of September 11th. I am very proud of him. R.i.P hun. I miss you dearly.

[@allgood6760]

Salute and respect to your husband from NZ 🇳🇿

[@michaelgrey7854]

Greatful for his service.

[@6412mars]

God rest him..my condolences ma'am 🙏

[@NiSiochainGanSaoirse]

God bless you and your family patti.

[@jamescagle464]

If I were in a cage overseas, I would think of my wife and family every day. You were the light at the end of his tunnel. Thank you, and God bless. Jim C (F-4C/D 1980-1985)

[@jdolson2]

I had seventeen years and well over 3K flight hours, many of them very short (1 hr.) DACT hops in all USN models (B, N, J & S) of the F-4, including three combat cruises to the Gulf of Tonkin during the VN War. I truly loved that bird. Among many other "adventures" I had over there, It brought me home after taking a triple A hit on the far (west) side of Hanoi while leading a MiGCAP in the Fall of '72. It took out the starboard engine, knocked out the generator's supervisory panel and caused a fuel leak that required sending a tanker A-7 out to meet me when I got "feet wet" off the coast. After a half-flap, single engine approach and trap aboard the USS Midway, that bird never flew again. It was stripped of spare parts, craned ashore at NAS Cubi Point in the P.I. at the end of that line period and used for training the air station's crash and rescue crew in firefighting. A sad end to a great warbird, but I have to admit I was very glad to have a "spare" engine to get me back to the ship that day. 'Outlaw' out.

[@465marko]

So, you ruined a multi-million dollar aircraft...is what you're saying? totalled?

[@strangerhorse5209]

Yeah, he ruined it by flying combat missions in the service of the USA. He could have died and or been shot down deep into enemy territory and only told one story of many close calls. That aircraft was well used for it's purpose and flown by a brave airman who has more combat flying time than you ever even went to school. Now hear that, and move out of you mom's basement and get a life.

[@strangerhorse5209]

Thank you Sir. That was a good horse. I'm happy you made it back and are still here : )

[@arbellfriday6613]

Jokes are supposed to be funny. Yours wasn't. Perhaps you should learn to be more funny?

[@strangerhorse5209]

Arbell Friday Mr. Joker marko had a humor fail. Not likely he'll learn anything new, but he could learn some respect...

[@stevehostetler2118]

My Dad was an F4 WSO with the USAF 435th & 335th TFSs during Vietnam. I've got several cassettes he recorded during combat missions. Pretty intense stuff. Fortunately he made it back safely. LOVE the F4.

[@danpetkunas538]

+Steve Hostetler At Udorn?

[@stevehostetler2118]

He was at Ubon.

[@danpetkunas538]

We shared the same airspace. At flew out of Udorn in '72.

[@stevehostetler2118]

The last combat slides I can find that he took was January of 1971. I Think he finished his tour by 1972, but I'm certain, from looking at some of his Nav charts that you were covering the same territory. Much Respect Sir. I lost my dad in 2014. I wish I had gotten him to tell me more about his time there.

[@rkaussner]

+Steve Hostetler - My older brother's best friend CPT William Phelps was a WSO on a F4E during the Vietnam war. Bill was a truly great guy who was killed in action (along with his pilot) on November 23rd, 1971 on a mission they were flying over Laos when hit by a SAM. Their remains were never found, and his mother was devastated forever since Bill was her only son. If you're curious as to what he looked like, feel free to see his photo, etc. here: www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=60791492. He was twenty four years old when he died.

[@johnwright3228]

My brother flew 186 missions over NVN, shot down twice, both times got picked up, a wk of R&R and back to it! He went on to fly SAC KC135's! He had 32 medals and was interned at Arlington, Capt. Lynn P. Wright . . . my brother, my friend, my HERO! RIP

[@JamesCBiles]

Hi John - just seen this. Sorry to hear about your brother . He was my room mate in Udorn but we lost contact. I left several months before Lynn. Would like to hear about what he did after he left. Thanks hanks

[@greasyflight6609]

Unreal

[@ufolost1443]

My dad was a photographer/navigator on an RF-4 during nam. Was shot down, but luckily recovered.

[@rickhall7703]

Dylan Coombs, was he out of Tan Son Nhut? I was there in Recon shop in 70-71.

[@ufolost1443]

@@rickhall7703 I dont know, he was always secretive about locations of bases etc. He passed away two degades ago, his name was George, same last name.

[@Defender78]

Dylan, did your Dad’s pilot eject as well?

[@dustinmartin3056]

God bless your dad and all the heros on here. And thank you for your service.

[@StevieMoore]

Wow! Incredible audio. I'd like to take a moment to just examine the ability of these aviators to keep their cool under such pressure. Amazing.

[@J_JetClips]

To make it perfectly clear to anyone watching this video...the pilot of Dodge 2 (NOT FOX 2) was killed in action. His remains( his BONES) sat out in the jungle for at least a decade until they were repatriated and identified in 1987. This man was only 27 years old.

[@bumcheese1981]

Flying Dutchman WoT/WoWs Gameplay TV. Seriously find the nearest guy thats fought in any war, preferably a a survivor from WW2. So i can see a guy thats twice your age kick your ass.

[@bumcheese1981]

Flying Dutchman WoT/WoWs Gameplay TV. i rest my case

[@Ushuc]

Flying Dutchman WoT/WoWs Gameplay TV. The only war you've seen is your video games you punk.... When you have a chance, pick up my trash- and this time be on time you worthless trash picker!

[@tlself011]

Flying Dutchman WoT/WoWs Gameplay TV. Next time you get your pansy a$$ in a tight situation, not being plowed by your gay friend, think about who you're gonna call....and then forget about it....you stupid fuck.

[@PanzerChicken69]

The guy died doing 1000mph, flying jets over Asia.. do you really think he would have cared? All I said was "so?" I sure as hell wouldnt, but thats just good ol me. Now all of you read back your comments and tell me if your patriotism isnt just a veil to attack anyone you dont understand and you feel threatened by? Im not afraid, he sure as hell wasnt.. Your just a bumch of clowns with a keyboard and a set of slogans, trying to be something your not. Its allright, but Im just saying. No big deal for either him or me.

[@charlesparker7663]

My Dad flew the F4E in Vietnam Nam from 68 -69 out of Udorn with the Triple Nickle Squadron. Thank God he came home and was able to live a full life until 2011. His stories were amazing.

[@TheAow4321]

This shit can definitely get to you man, like when the downed WSO asked where "Alpha" was and the pilot responded saying he didnt see a chute, I could just feel the downed WSO slouching back and just saying to himself "shit...."

[@Wolfkin18]

Pretty much yeah... These crews, the good ones, become family so it's not a team member that is down, most of the times it's your best friend. It is what it is.

[@hitopsful]

My heart dropped when the WSO asked if they saw the pilots chute, they told him no and he didn't even bother acknowledging the radio

[@greasyflight6609]

@@hitopsful Lucky he got out...shit you cannot even talk about...for years

[@dontroutman8232]

Both my dad and my uncle flew F-4's in Vietnam. My uncle got shot down too, but thanks to the guys in Search & Rescue, he made it out of the jungle after a day or 2. Pop managed to dodge the AA in his RF-4C.

[@scotthilton4450]

Yes, DODGE 4a. It is something I will remember for the rest of my life. Thank you for your recognition. At the time there were not many people who gave a hoot about the sacrificed we made. Losing a good friend took a lot out of me. Thanks again.

[@sweetthang12892]

Hello, my father flew the F4 and Vietnam. I'm recording his story and would very much like to include a small audio strip of this video. Do you happen to know who might be able to give me permission for that?

[@sweetthang12892]

Hi Scott, I would very much like to interview you for a recording I'm making. It would only take a few minutes. Please let me know either way at [e-mail]

[@scotthilton4450]

I was a fighter pilot with a total of 479 combat missions on two tours. Today my daughter is an Air Force fighter pilot.

[@richardpluim4426]

While the war was going on and the north were flying their mig's. The Americans were flying their planes and the Russians were perfecting their missiles. Today the Russian missile system is second to none in the world. They took their time and tweaked it to perfection.

[@sidv4615]

which plane?

[@CaptainMartinWalker]

@@richardpluim4426 come again?

[@ChiekoGamers]

BS

[@Defender78]

​@@sidv4615richardpluim or whatever his name is, You can tell he's a stolen valor type who makes up stories, he so vague about his time in the service and then just says that his daughter is a fighter pilot, doesn't mention the branch or what kind of plane or anything, I'm sure With lies like that Who knows what else he's done in his life, I'm sure he's the office and Neighborhood weirdo

[@scotthilton4450]

He was releases in March, 1973. It still makes my blood run cold forty years later. Dodge 03 spotted the SAM but none of us saw the second SAM. Considering the early morning hour, haze and sun light we couldn't even see the telltale red smoke from the launch.

[@giavarderpc4157]

I'm come from Viet Nam. War is a disater and horrible! I love the look of F4 phantom. I have moddeling 1:72 F4S. Love it anyway. War is over and we not forget it! All of always welcome in my country. Peace.

[@brandspro]

Hoàng Gia, my father was a Phantom pilot who died in your country 50 years ago. I just returned from my first trip there, where amongst other things, I landed on the runway that he took off from on his last mission at Cam Rahn. The friendliness and warmth of the people that I met in Vietnam, north to south, have helped start the healing for me. Thank you.

[@rjs1jd]

We shouldn't have fought you Vietnamese sweet poeple! I've seen so much war documentaries and we all concluded we shouldn't have been there in the first place! Love from USA .... Corpus Christi Texas!

[@rjs1jd]

Peace my brother from another mother!

[@PhantomMark]

Respect to both sides who fought and died in this war, it was needless...

[@rjs1jd]

Thx bro we're all brothers and sisters! RIGHT?

[@guylr7390]

My cousin was an RF-4C pilot and flew 100 missions over North Vietnam then was an instructor at Shaw AFB.

[@slick4401]

4:12 "Now where is Alpha?" So sad.

[@fazsum41]

The description say his remains were discovered in the 80s but i wonder where he is berried

[@bastogne315]

What's sad about it?

[@nicksmth33]

Adolf Galand their person on radio who is bravo is the co pilot who sits in the second seat. he asked if they saw “alpha” his pilot and probably his friend. and the pilots over head reply saying they didn’t see a shoot. i mean he probabaly was heart broken

[@ALSNewsNow]

@@bastogne315 That you weren't in the front

[@nextworld491]

@@bastogne315 You're an asshole. And you're missing an 'L'.

[@livvidd]

I find the F4 one of the most beautiful aircraft to ever have flown. Its always been my favorite jet:)

[@dashielllockhart6082]

+livvidd it's a nice aricraft, too bad it didn't have a proper gun for dogfights

[@livvidd]

It was best suited for long range air to air engagements, ground attack, reconnaissance. Also a big part of its legacy are the pilots or rather the squadrons that flew it. Those were some notorious crews haha. Lastly, The fact the f4 isnt a fly by wire aircraft makes it quite nostalgic imho.

[@FirstLast-nj9ob]

It had a 20 mm gun pod added to the center-line, although not it originally equipped.

[@anthonyhussey3997]

+livvidd Has to be the BAE Lightning for me. Way ahead of its time.

[@jude_the_apostle]

+livvidd mig 21

[@davidrobinson7062]

Jesus christ..imagine what that Poor WSO felt when he heard that....

[@Muglosx]

+David Robinson Yeah... Hearing that they didn't see a second chute. There was a sad pause :(

[@zes7215]

wrg

[@kohlrak]

@Brian Yeager yeah, you can't hold that against someone. When shit hits the fan, people react differently than simply "what was panned." Look at a spider, decide you're going to squish it with your bare finger. Now try to do so, you'll find that the moment that thing moves see how quickly you plan falls apart. Now, a SAM is a rocket that explodes and fires metal shards at you (doesn't blow up on your airplane like people normally think) called "splashes." If you're caught in the splash, you're likely 10,000 feet in the air in a metal box that you might not be able to eject from if it damages your seat, or it might put you in an uncontrollable dive that you can't eject from since your plane will hit you when you do, and maybe the metal will end up coming through the glass or the sides and hitting you, and you know that it's unlikely that any of these deaths will be instant. Say you did live, but then who knows what the NVA will do to you once they find you. Not only are you told stories that aren't true to help dehumanize them so it's easier to pull the trigger on them, but you've also heard stories of your comrades shooting women and children, and the guy that finds you might've been a relative. This is no spider, and all of this, as well as the people and family you're leaving behind, is going through your mind for 2 to 10 seconds while you're waiting for the second element (3 and 4) to tell you when to "break." Now imagine that feeling, and what you would do when you hear the word "break." I see why your father held no ill-will towards his wingman, and it wasn't just from growing up together.

[@cripplehawk]

Capt Roger Ernest Behnfeldt was Dodge 2A (Pilot) and Captain Tamotsu Shingaki was Dodge 2B (WSO). This happened on August 19, 1972. Captain Tamotsu Shingaki was captured by the NVA but was released in March 29th, 1973. Capt Roger Ernest Behnfeldt was declared MIA for 15 years until his remains were recovered in 1987. This Dodge group were doing some sort of Recon flight. NOTE: As someone else said this group is called Dodge....Fox indicates that a missile is launch . E.G. If Dodge 3 launches a sidewinder. He would say something like "Dodge 3 Fox 2!" or simply "Fox 2"

[@stoneyj50]

Can't thank you enough for your details on this tragic event. I have scoured the internet to try and find out more. Where did you get this info? I am going to use it to update the description and thank you once again.

[@cripplehawk]

www.ejection-history.org.uk/project/pow/pow_s.htm Note Tamotsu Shingaki was promoted to Major and here www.pownetwork.org/bios/s/s205.htm

[@karlpolifka1094]

This whole thing is a bit confused. I was in the 14th TRS along with Behnfeldt and Shingaki. They were involved in an early morning weather check. They took a head-on SA-2 detonation (500# warhead) that obliterated the aircraft and Behnfeldt but Shingaki manged to punch out. The exact same situation happened about 3 months later. We later learned that the "special" ECM pod we carried -- since we usually flew single ship sorties -- highlighted the RF-4 in a formation with F-4. Thanks a lot!!

[@danastewart3091]

Karl Polifka aa

[@billfish6244]

Amazing that with a direct hit to the front of the aircraft that the WSO was able to eject at all. Sad loss of the pilot . He probably never knew what hit him

[@larrysmith1568]

I was an air traffic controller (radar approach control) at Ubon, Thailand in 1967. Col. Robin Olds and Col. Chappie James was wing commander and deputy wing commander respectively. I talked them up and down many times. As flights would return we would take note of number coming back. We would often relay info to the tactical operations center (TOC). Heartbreaking to tell them when a flight came back without full compliment. I loved the F4, still do. It was a boy dog aircraft.

[@maopmc]

Im from Thailand ,my dad was an Thai Army officer intellegence under cover fighting with communist in Thailand ,thank you for your service and selfless sir.

[@jonnycomfort8907]

Thanks for your service--so you might recall Operation Bolo--2 January 1967. Col. Olds put F-4's up acting like F-105s on a strike. The decoy worked, and the Triple Nickel took out about half the MiG-21s that the North Vietnamese had in that one day.

[@larrysmith1568]

@@jonnycomfort8907 actually I arrived at Ubon in Feb 67. Bolo was in Jan 67.

[@jonnycomfort8907]

@@larrysmith1568 Bolo is my favorite Robin Olds story...that and the moustache thumbing his nose at USAF regs...

[@danieljohnson5726]

Two friends in my sub-division flew in Vietnam. One flew the F-105 Weasel (JP) & the other the F-4 LTC John ( forgot last name). John (Capt?) was shot down over N.Vietnam. His WSO was picked up that day. John said he spent a sleepless night, with the VC walking by him, until being picked up the next day. He said he was lucky to be rescued. Even though he was shot down, he always gave credit to JP, a Weasel Pilot, saying being a Thud Driver was the most dangerous flying job in Nam. JP has since passed and John moved. God Bless these men who had the courage to face the daily dangers they did. R.I.P. Dodge 1.

[@scotthilton4450]

This was a weather reconnaissance mission launched out of Udorn RTAFB call sign DODGE on 19 AUG 72 and was made up of two F-4Ds, one F-4E and one RF-4C. The voice recording came from Dodge 03. Dodge 02, the RF-4C was shot down. The pilot of Dodge 03 Capt. Roger E. Behnfeldt was killed in action. Roger was a very close friend and fellow Ohioan. The WSO, Capt. Hatchigawa (spelling) ejected and was captured. I just wanted to make sure the facts were accurate. I know because I was there. I flew the

[@rl64rl]

The WSO was captured: Major Tamotsu Shingaki. He was repatriated 29 Mar 73, and passed away 25 Feb 09

[@dickyfisher9249]

Thanks for this. My Uncle Maj. Ken Fisher was Shot down in Nam 11/7/67. He got hit with a 37mike mike. Spent 5ys in POW Camp. I always wondered what it sounded like. P.S. He went back in took out a sam radar site an the 37mm. That got him before they bailed out. He flew 246 missions. Over the DMZ.

[@wmwardwell]

Dicky Fisher ....my cousin also flew F-4s over there. Came back and ended up as commandant at Miramar. We thank Them all for their service to America !!!

[@manavjotsarkaria3668]

Respect to your uncle sir!

[@lbbradley55]

We lost my Uncle Coley Leon Andrews. But he was Crew Chief on HUEY. 173rd Casper Aviation Platoon. 173rd Arbn. K.I.A. 12/19/66 he Volonterd for 2 tours 7or8 yrs in. 173rd was Westmoreland's personal Fire Brigade. He was given Dev. Papers on Porch as his welcome home. So he Volonterd for 2 tours. Killed 6 WKS later. They wanted to Bury him on Xmas day. We Buried him day after. 1966 his Commander has a site you can look him up. Just Google name. Coley Leon Andrews. What a waste. Miss him

[@lbbradley55]

Thank all of you who Served & WELCOME HOME SOLDIER

[@AllhailtheUS]

#RESPECT Thank you.

[@iCatchLupin]

For anyone wondering why they're panting and grunting so hard, it's the stress of G-forces making them do it. They actually can't control it.

[@iCatchLupin]

ThisFish888 . Uh, that's not how that works. They're using oxygen masks. You try not to make noises when you're pulling 3+ Gs and you feel like you weigh 600 pounds.

[@justaperson9155]

ThisFish888 You are very stupid, I'm not sure where you got your teaching degree but I hope it is illegal for you to teach in any developed country. The pilots are in an air tight pressurised cockpit with a fixed oxygen regulator, how on this good earth would thin air have an effect on them, obviously they aren't exposed to air at those altitudes or they'd bloody freeze to death or have their heads ripped off from the air resistance, never mind the oxygen. It is the g-forces pulling their body in every which way and constricting their breathing that causes them to gasp. As JC Denton said, you try making a sudden change in direction at 650+ mph and see how you feel. I cannot believe I had to justify that to an adult human. Please do us a favour and don't comment again and give your teaching degree to someone who doesn't have an IQ of 4. If you are just trolling (and I very much hope you are) then well played. If not please follow through with the above instructions.

[@iCatchLupin]

LeRenaissanceMAN Just fold a G-suit up and put it around his neck and then overpressurize it.

[@iCatchLupin]

ThisFish888 You're a teacher? What, for first grade? I know your type. You're the kind of moron teacher who sabotages the curiosity of young minds and damps the spirits of the kids who are smarter than you are by quoting incorrect facts at them when they're really the ones who have it right. Maybe you should brush up on the content of whatever you're arguing about when you're not dealing with people who wipe their nose on their shirtsleeves. As LeRenaissanceMan said, fighter aircraft cockpits are pressurized and sealed from the outside environment, and like I said, they breathe from an oxygen mask supplied by tanks carried by the aircraft anyway just in case pressurization fails due to damage or malfunction. They're grunting because they're subjecting themselves to G-forces that make them feel like they're 600 pounds, not because they can't get thick enough air.

[@iCatchLupin]

ThisFish888 Oh, cool, you're dropping the pretense of being an intellectual and just trolling now. Cool.

[@joseguevara8995]

Wow. Great visuals. Really helped put the audio together. I liked the refueling at the end.

[@mikewhite8926]

Interesting that the Lat/Long coordinates that the Dodge WSO called out that day (August 19, 1972) were over 200 miles away (in Laos) from the crash site NE of Hanoi (near Kep). The INS (Inertial Nav System) was often off, but not that much. He called out 21.11 (degrees North by) 102.32 (degrees East). The area near Kep NE of Hanoi has a longitude of about 106.31 degrees East. I suspect in all the excitement he mis-read his INS readout. (Not blaming him, though)

[@greasyflight6609]

War stories

[@mikewhitepe]

@@greasyflight6609 Huh?

[@greasyflight6609]

@@mikewhitepe Real war stories

[@l2rmfgcc]

I was scheduled to fly with Roger the day he was a shot down, but could't because of crew rest requirements from a longer-than-expected flight the day before. .. Tamotsu took my place. The video is NOT of Roger and Tamotsu's flight, but the audio appears to be recorded from one of the other F4s in Roger's flight. It was common for F4s (armed) to escort unarmed RF-4Cs when the flight was to an area subject to Mig activity. When we (crew members at the 14TRS at Udorn RTAFB) heard that Roger had been shot down we got immediate intel feed back that there was only one chute (probably from the F-4 fighter escorts). From the audio there are two distinct audio ejection sounds. The first I believe was from the immediate ejection sequence (ejection activated when the seat travels up the ejection seat rail) and the second is manually activated by and from Tamotsu's hand held radio located in his survival vest. It's physically accessible when you're still in the chute (on your descent) or after you've landed. I never knew this audio of Roger's shoot down was available until this morning, but many back seaters (WSOs from RF-4Cs and F4s) carried tape recorders for the intel gathered from the SAM radar initial tracking and the SAM launches. Thank you for whoever put this on the net. gary

[@stoneyj50]

Gary Crowder Thanks Gary for the bogey dope. I copied this audio in 1975 from a vet friend but worked from scratch to understand all the elements and ad sufficient video for context. I was an F-4 WSO but got diverted to the Cold War staredown in Germany after the Paris Peace Accords were signed. We learned a lot from the Vietnam Vets but at a very costly price. Cheers. Scott “Stoney” Jackson 73-93.

[@upyr1]

The downed F-4 was an RF-4C the GIB was Tamatsu Shingaki who spend about a year in the Hannoi Hilton

[@samuelparker9882]

Sean patrick Maiorca I CAN'T EVEN FATHOM what is going through the pilots mind when this happens. NOR DO I WISH OR WANT TO!!! Then to watch your cover/friends have to leave you there knowing that THEY ABSOLUTELY DON'T WANT TO... my goodness!! Wars, we can and should be able to do without them in this day and age!!

[@EW-sr5bl]

Stoney, I've enjoyed all of your videos. Great to see bits and pieces of Cope Thunder still out there. I miss the work and the friendships. I will always remember those times.

[@stoneyj50]

Thanks man

[@robertwalton7307]

God Bless,may he still hold him in the palm of his hand.

[@larrysmith1568]

I was stationed at Ubon Thailand in 1967. The auto call signs usually flew out of there. Ford, Nash, Dodge, Olds, Buick are just a few that I recall. It was quite a show to see them depart. It was a sheer joy and relief to know they all came back.

[@MapleSephiroth]

Wow man! You are a living piece of history! It would be amazing if you could share with us your tapes. It is truly a remarkable honor to learn about your stories through this comment page alone. Thank you sir, for your service, and sincere condolences for your friend Roger.

[@MikeLitoriss69]

That moment of silence after the pilot tells the WSO of Dodge 2 that he didn’t see another chute is heartbreaking

[@JamesinAZ]

Incredible. I read somewhere that when the SA2 fires, intially its not to hard to spot, but when tyhe booster falls off, then its much more difficult to locate. Hearing Fox 2-B asking where his pilot is heartbreaking, man. Thank you for sharing, Sir.

[@rogeliogonzalez5293]

In a word: intense.

[@wellend89]

like having sex while camping... it's fucking in tents.

[@svdagoat7972]

Lt.Col. Tony Marshall one of the few black F4 fighter pilots he was shot down and was a POW his story is amazing !

[@sean70729]

most brutish beautiful jet ever flown

[@stoneyj50]

I like that description. I often describe it as menacing.

[@sean70729]

+Scott Jackson indeed it looks like a warplane and it's so LOUD

[@SKYLANDBAK]

Lt. wreck - Not the greatest of aircraft ever designed...Apparently the handling characteristics at low speeds were terrible & according to the testimony one pilot who flew them - "They should never have been released into service until the design of a stable airframe was secured".....

[@AllhailtheUS]

My favorite fighter, ever...just the geometry...looks menacing. I understand they were a handful to fly...but damn they good doing it!

[@taktischesgenie331]

@@SKYLANDBAK nO nEeD tO bE a NeRd

[@Shahranim]

Very good videos from an old aviator. I love visiting your channel frequently. Please keep up.

[@picardmadeoff1068]

Scott Hilton and all vets thanks for your service! My father flew 105s out Korat and Takhli in 70 and 71 so your sacrifice means so much to me.

[@Nghilifa]

Glad to get clarification on that one, and thank you for your service sir!

[@towedarray7217]

By far the most intense one of these I've ever seen.

[@aldopeer]

@Scott Hilton: First of all; my deepest respect for the courage of all those (air)men, during that god-awful war. It's chilly and scary to hear the tape and it took me 60 seconds after I was totally captured by this event. I could almost 'feel' the panic and stress. In Holland, where I'm from, the Vietnam war was frowned upon. During that time I was a crew-chief on the F-104G Starfighter. We got a visit from a PWO, 'Thud'-driver.The stories he told us, made us silent for a while. Respect, sir!

[@rafaelquintana8816]

No milk run flying over North Vietnam during the war... Needed gut's. Respect.

[@scottouellette9411]

Should have nuked them and the war would have been over immediately. Soviet Union and China wouldn't have done shit. Shock and Awe. Missed opportunity.

[@bobtis]

@@scottouellette9411 Bingo they couldn't feed themselves. A line 2 blocks long to get a loaf of bread. LBJ coward turned tail and ran. Bastard.

[@lonl123]

The heavy breathing isn't only fear and excitement, gents are pulling a shit ton of G's.

[@thewisewolf768]

Thank you for your service Alpha, you will be missed.

[@Slowmotion1225]

I can't get this audio out of my head. Jesus, I can't fathom this.

[@pncombies]

I met both of them My dad served with 8th from 10/66-7/67. They SHOULD make a movie and center it around Bolo.

[@35usaf]

thank you for your service, you are a true hero, sir.

[@arttafil6792]

As a former F4 pilot these videos hit home hard. :(

[@sdcoinshooter]

As a former Hornet Pilot this video hits hard.

[@arttafil6792]

Paulous, what squadron were you with?

[@sdcoinshooter]

Art Tafil VFA-97 Warhawks

[@arttafil6792]

Paulous, Semper-Fi mate. For me it was VMFA 542 bengals and VMFA 323 Death Rattlers.

[@arttafil6792]

Paulous, I got to fly the friendly skies up north in Vietnam, 66, 67 and 68.

[@GlideYNRG]

Quiet chilling to. Listen to. Greatest respect to those that have and still are serving. Am in the middle of reading First in, Last out. Brings the gravity of what was being dealt with back then. Thank you for posting.

[@robertjensen1048]

3:08 they mark his position as "2112 10232" . I added decimels, and it appears that this is in the far north of Laos. Hmmmmm, interesting. Looks like this mission was on one of those then-secret missions in Laos.

[@willb8684]

you got the wrong map it hard to tell but its not in laos i think it just north of the gulf of tonkin on the coast....they dont call the letters out just the digets...you can get google earth to use mgrs and mess with it.....

[@pizzafrenzyman]

US aircraft routinely flew over Laos from bases in Thailand.

[@kohlrak]

@@willb8684 could be bulls as well.

[@merstrand]

Respect to you sir mr.Hilton , and lots of respct to the guys on the recording.

[@dickyfisher9249]

I just want too say i really love my bro vets. out there. i was out in the street homeless. i own a harley now. got there on my own. No help from no one. i servrd. 4th. id. sniper.

[@465marko]

bikes are cool, but finding shelter is probably more important bro

[@Judyiack]

That's great. Nice video. One of the best.

[@matt67524]

Thank you vets.

[@dividednations44]

fuck the vets

[@fishyfishy3140]

dividednations44 why

[@13ECHO20]

@@dividednations44 You are a sad individual....

[@aliceakosota797]

@@13ECHO20 thank God for VC

[@13ECHO20]

@@aliceakosota797 suuuuure....

[@michaeledlin9995]

If you are wondering where a lot of Vietnam veterans are go check at the VA. I'm a veteran from later on but these men were not treated right then and are not now. The VA has not changed a damn bit. They are the second place for a veteran to risk their life.

[@ArcherAC3]

Oh, their callsign is FOX so..., haha, at first I thought he was firing a missile.

[@Cg23sailor]

Their call sign is not Fox, It's Dodge. Narrator got it wrong and even acknowledges this in the lead in.

[@ArcherAC3]

Cg23sailor Oh, wow. After you said it I could only listen to it again as "Dodge", I have no idea how I was hearing "Fox" before haha. It's amazing how our brain trusts on what we're reading and make we think it was another word.

[@Cg23sailor]

It does sound a bit like Fox due to the radio distortion but once you know what it is supposed to be... Yeah.. It's Dodge.

[@MrBen527]

Crazy! How nerve racking!

[@jeffk3037]

Pretty intense stuff, cant imagine what that downed pilot is going through knowing an extraction is unlikely. Full respect for these guys!

[@Lieslbigdog]

That's my brother in the pic at 3:00!!!

[@GeorgeWashington76]

Really?

[@ShopeeMarketteam]

Don't reply if you're lying

[@42STUKA]

Thanks for posting. Lest we forget. God bless them then and now. All of our courageous men and women in our armed forces. I wish the powers that be would make this required viewing in grade school, and let the kids' questions roll. They'd make the right call, no matter who was teaching.

[@GJPrimus]

I'm just thinking why would Fox 1,2 be a call sign. That would get confusing when firing A/A missiles.

[@11000sundevil]

I wonder myself. confused also. x-top gun 1975

[@lupahole]

the guy doing the subtitles got it wrong. the flights callsighn was "dodge".

[@11000sundevil]

thanks

[@Russellsagecline]

Everyone is correct;. It is DODGE 2 Alpha and 2 Bravo. "Fox" is the phonetic letter for the abbreviation of "Firing", therefore it is never used as a main elemental call-sign. Great audio, my friend. Thanks!

[@geraldrembert8321]

My favorite jet fighters is the F-86 Sabre Jet and the F-4 Phantom. Beautiful planes.

[@WeBeYachting]

Nice video mate, thumbs up. Cheers from the IGY Simpson Bay Marina, Sint Maarten in the Caribbean.

[@mpeters220]

"Hey Steve, can you get me out?"

[@chris-sf5uy]

Thanks for posting

[@Theairman716]

Tough to listen to, bless us all.

[@scotthilton4450]

That was a rough day for me. Watching a good friend get shot down. I have a few other tapes from Linebacker II. One is a tail gunner who goes over the edge, and one I flew where 38 SAMs were fired at the bomber strike force. And one with a British journalist on a Hong Kong ship at Haiphong during a raid.

[@PkPk-pk4lt]

Thanks to all you guy ! Viet Nam 1969 to 70

[@uncelsminor]

Thank you for clearing that up Mike. Fab jet

[@DrForrester87]

That's got to be one the shittiest feelings in the world.

[@scotthilton4450]

The booster stage gave off red smoke which did help identifying SAMs as they left the launcher. Once the booster burned out the sustainer was not all that hard to see. Remember, there were usually eight pairs of eyeball looking like mad for anything moving against the green jungle. More times than not when a hit occurred it was not seeing the missile. As it was that day. I can still see it clearly 40 Years later. God be with you, Roger.

[@uncelsminor]

I'm confused as I'm sure there were 2 chutes.

[@SkyhawkDriver]

What do you mean?

[@pjsjrchannel6396]

The video is not from this incident.

[@465marko]

Yep, it got shot twice so two shoots

[@pukibob]

Some video showing two chutes was from a crash in Philippines in 1987. Pilots survived.

[@dickfitzwelliner2807]

Did you not see the writing in the beginning that said the video isnt from the incident? Nor the f4 crews saying 1 chute quite a few times?

[@alienhuman]

Thanks for the post.

[@brianharrison7854]

To all the Vietnam vets out there welcome home and thanks for your service

[@bullhead900]

@@chrisdeanjames2898 Piss off.

[@bastogne315]

5 million Vietnamese died in that war and they didn't die by suicide.

[@steveowens913]

I worked on f4's for the U.S. Navy. They were a bitch to work on. But hey, when stuff is capable at flying twice the speed of sound upside down and sideways, that's what it takes! So, I loved em. I continue to get around fighter jets whenever I can. The thrill lasts forever. 🙂

[@themajesticmagnificent386]

Incredible audio..God Bless them

[@bushjared89]

I hav chills! These guys were so brave its unreal! Makes me laugh at what we see as important now days. These r true heroes

[@scotthilton4450]

Yes, he was released in March '73.

[@mariosdamoulianos9350]

Quite dramatic. The SA-2 Guideline missiles had a very powerful warhead, about 150Kg if I remember well. Even the rugged F-4 would be torn to pieces by it.

[@soldat2501]

The Soviets didn't mess around. They knew their tech was vulnerable to our countermeasures so they built their missiles to be "good enough" and put a massive warhead on it. The shockwave alone would be enough, then the shrapnel. We lost too many planes in Vietnam to a supposed third rate military power. The Soviets got to fine tune their weaponry with very little risk to themselves.

[@USAFRet92]

I served at Udorn (Aug 73-Jun 74) I was in the 432nd AMS/ECM shop. It was our equipment they were talking about when they said strobe and transmit.

[@JustifyJustin]

Is it just me that wonders why they were circling the downed pilot in an active SAM area? I mean I'm all for leave no man behind and all that, but the odds of you becoming a statistic when your wingman just got hit is pretty high...

[@terranceperkins9656]

JustifyJustin Because that aircraft is now on scene commander until a Sandy or Jolly Green gets there.

[@bigjeremy1989]

My pops was a WSO in Linebacker II. Capt. Curt Coombs. He was at George learning ACM tactics from none other than John Madden of the Tripple Nickel. My dad was good friends with Doc Pettit when they were stationed at Luke in 74. Saw both of them at a reunion recently. Madden remembered my dad because he had to "pink" him for breaking altitude when he positioned Telescope Peak right in between Madden and himself. Or as he put it, "You tried to scrape me off on Telescope Peak."

[@ronrush11]

If you're going to war, there is only one rule; use everything you have to totally overwhelm the enemy and win Total capitulation ASAP!!!🇺🇸⚓️

[@adventuressurvivalinthailand]

Yeah, that's the way you're a real hero

[@badguy1481]

If THAT had been done in 1962 instead of 1972..there would have been NO "War in Vietnam". DISGRACEFUL!

[@hoozleup]

I think the video is just stock footage, they only had cockpit audio from this sortie. Quite chilling though.

[@verdinegrochakal]

muy bueno! nosotros tenemos un audio parecido. " Misión del 25 de mayo" A4B Skyhawk

[@tacan2336]

Is a photo montage, the scene of the 1.12 minute flight low 4 F4 is in Spain, in the Royal Bardenas. The audio is correct

[@drkskyes]

And the bail out with two chutes is over Philippine Islands during a Cope Thunder exercise. I know the pilot. He retired as USMC colonel. Both were fine after the ejection.

[@brndesk]

That was really hairy to listen to.

[@larricusrefrigeratedtransp2465]

That beeping noise is a distress call to head quarters , and before each flight they give u a call signal to verify who u are jus in case you were to be shot down during the Mission , and the NVA would get those radios from dead or captured pilots , and use the Distress call to get a rescue team out there jus to shoot them down or ambush them

[@coontree14]

My cousin flew F4

[@kristen0420]

Some of those videos were mine. The four ship fly by, the afterburner at dusk and a couple for. I flew in the 480th TFS Warhawks (Red Section) from Jan 82 - Jan 86. Fly by was at Bardenas Range in Spain. The afterburner was on a night flight. Rich Anderson

[@stoneyj50]

kristen0420 Hi Rich. I was 480th 76-78. Spent a week at Bardenas as RCO. Great tour and squadron.

[@michaelfrench3396]

The tension of the warble. Then "Fox 2's hit! Bailout! Bailout! Bailout!" 🤮🤮🤮 To see your friends eat it and know that it wasn't you by twenty feet.

[@hexnut_furry]

im so sorry to hear this happened , missiles can be really crazy

[@yuzbasivolkan86]

Why you were in vietnam?

[@MrChickennugget360]

keep the commies from taking over South Vietnam.

[@465marko]

keep the enemies from taking over murica

[@ernestsabatino826]

Damn!!!!! I was stationed at takli afb ,recovery on the flight line. From dec 65 to January 67. Saw every take off flight and returns. Had to pick up a few out of the trees that made back to base. Can't believe it's been that long ago. 19 then 76 now. California vet.

[@ernestsabatino826]

Was just over the hill from that base!!!

[@greasyflight6609]

Thank you...

[@40hours56]

Send the sandies and a wild weasels

[@stopthatimmediately]

@stoneyj50 ah, thanks. i've also been trying to find more about rhwr mechanization for this era. so, in other words, thanks for uploading this :)

[@fa-50ph57]

So now where are the nerds who say Soviet weaponry is crap?

[@DrForrester87]

+FA-50 PH Soviet equipment was as a rule generally less sophisticated than western counterparts. But, it say it was crap would be in error.

[@trevorpollo]

Soviet weapons are crap with the exception of the AK-47 which is still crap in all regards except reliability. Western small arms (especially modern Western small arms) will outperform an AK or AK style weapon in most stats. Western heavy weaponry has always been superior to the Soviet equivalents. Need proof? Go look at all the combat statistics when Western weapons went against Soviet weapons. F-4s had a higher K/D than any soviet made Mig during Vietnam. Hell, Western warplanes in general have always had a better K/D than their Soviet counterparts. Western armor has always had better K/D than soviet armor. Just ask the Israelis about that. A lucky shot doesn't equal good. I also find it funny that you would stand up for Soviet tech when you obviously love the FA-50. Which in case you didn't know, was developed with a lot of Western tech including General Electric engines.

[@DrForrester87]

+Cyberphobe is that Dot from Animaniacs?

[@fa-50ph57]

+Jdh87 Soviet Weaponry is not crap.. it just happens that they are behind vs US in development stage which is historically proven. When the F-4 came out.. the Soviets were still developing the MiG-23 that will rival it F-4 came out in 1960.. the MiG-29 came 10 years later In 1980s.. the Soviets were behind the US by at least 5 to 10 years in tech development and was further aggravated with the collapse of the Soviet Union. The F-16 came out in the end of 70s.. the MiG-29 came out in 1984 and was still electronically inferior vs the F-16.. though vastly superior in Close range combat

[@bcubed72]

If Soviet fighters and tactics were so crap, why was Red Flag necessary? Everything I've heard is the F4's A/A ratio was 1:1 at best before changes were made.

[@anthonystewart5131]

For all of you in the armed forces I want to thank you All and to those on here who have someone close to you that are serving and have served thank you very much!

[@tanyard]

2 chutes at 2:16 white, either side of the screen...

[@comandosespeciales]

The video says that only audio is real, images are added to fit more the situation, but have no relation at all.

[@DRF1001]

Yea - They both cleared .

[@lonecrapshooter67]

Down Range Film No, that is just decorative video put on the audio (audio is real, only audio is real). I posted a memorial to the brave pilot that was KIA.

[@mikecorey8370]

That wasn't actual footage of the event. That was stated in the beginning. One made it, one didn't.

[@Deffa234]

Would you mind sharing them? It's a real history nowadays. And thanks for your comments, of course!