Held Hostage in Dead by Daylight

[@ximid5938]

last time i was held hostage i developed stockholm syndrome and married my captor

[@Seohn7193]

Dang, I hate when that happens.

[@FinestFantasyVI]

Was it a Knight? At least the Knight looks nice

[@yohan4027]

R u stil happy 🥺

[@thebluhu2096]

Congratulations🎉

[@Gods-Cleansing-Flame]

🎉🎊

[@BMXERSTEVIE]

I think the issue is just The Game as a map. It's small and fairly easy to find/hold a 3 gen. Generators can also end up being in pretty dangerous rooms which makes a 3 gen even stronger.

[@red_wheelbarrow641]

100% a map design issue. One the map "The Game" you can consistenly hit "static blast" on survivors because the map is so small that is hard to avoid his terror radius and thus his power. There isn't any other map that allows such coverage.

[@SpineChylz]

@@red_wheelbarrow641 Midwich and dead dog has left the chat

[@DrakoWulf]

@@SpineChylz At least Saloon has multiple gens up on second stories and the best hiding plants in the game, but it is otherwise a killer-sided map.

[@REsoleSurvivor1000]

I've always disliked The Game whether it was playing survivor or killer. I definitely think this 3-gen is amplified on a map like that and some killers have little to no effort traversing it therefore making that experience even worse.

[@DeputyFish]

nope. singularity held me captive on cowshed. wasnt a 3 gen. they just have to much information theres no cooldown. he can have like 10? with the one addon. theres no possible to way to EMP them all. and his cooldown is non existant so he just goes and places more if you destroy them. @@red_wheelbarrow641 EMP's should remove the cameras. not just disable them.

[@foulrot]

You gotta love how he almost immediately jumped to "he's streamsniping". Why do streamers put their ttv in their username if they are just gonna cry streamsnipe everytime things don't go their way?

[@Sachiko_Zeingor]

Entitlement (comes with playing as survivor) and the lack of self-reflection. "I did not do a mistake, obviously it was the game's/killer's/connection's/housecat from the janitor's fault"

[@dains6623]

right? I was thinking the same thing lol just don't put ttv in your name if you don't want to be stream sniped.

[@Tristen-Clan]

@foulrot are you saying that all TTV streamers are bad or no, and don't say no because your typing is saying that ttv streamers should not be around.

[@Tristen-Clan]

​@@Sachiko_Zeingor don't think about defending @foulrot unless you don't want ttv streamers to be around, because if there was nome one side of certain be over powered as well the killer certain perks or so over powered , also don't eve act like or fake it.

[@puppo3895]

​@@Sachiko_Zeingorthe guy literally plays 100p singularity.....

[@Oculusinfinium]

I think dude was 100% right, and that could've been done with any killer on that map. The game is very small, so it's not hard to hold a 3 gen. I really do wish people didn't just jump to saying someone is cheating though. The speed boost thing is a bug that has been around for a while. His friend was more correct in saying dude is a POS.

[@Warriorsoul101]

You can literally get 2 gens on top of eachother. It's as bad as the 2 gens that spawn in the main hall on rpd.

[@Atalas5]

at least the RPD gens are a modest distance, even if they are still closer than most gens on other maps. But Game is just painful at times.@@Warriorsoul101

[@hiriasbloodweaver8593]

I don't think there is inherently something wrong with playing like this, it's just a playstyle. I mean you could say the same thing about a nurse main that goes instantly for a 4 slug with 0 hooks. It's about the same amount of fun for the survivors. If you criticize killers for "boring" playstyles, you may as well criticizing survivors who light 4 gens at 1:47. It's the same amount of fun from a killer perspective. Why single out this hard 3-gen playstyle when other equally unfun things like instant slugging or 4 gens rushed before 2:00 are much, MUCH more common?

[@d0nv3rgasarenoso91]

​@@hiriasbloodweaver8593 it's a playstyle that abuses dbds horrible rng, it's like watching old dbd survivors loop killers on infinites and claim "it's just a playstyle" no, ur abusing the horrible map design, it's like when skermz swf bullied a Bubba for 40 minutes on house of pain with infinite head ons and locker saves, it's not just a playstyle ur abusing the rng in a party game

[@gantref9202]

​@@d0nv3rgasarenoso91 the difference in this is they aren't bullying, they are trying to win. Their win con is just pretty boring. If this Killer is given the opportunity to down and hook they are, they aren't just gonna throw the game for it. Don't get me wrong, I don't think having this in the game is healthy, but I just don't know of a good solution outside of completely reworking the game.

[@SpookySkeletonGang]

This is a core game design issue, not a singularity issue. Bhvr needs to address 3 gens as a whole for this to be fixed.

[@asideofsalt.6645]

@@renulence7247 ew no

[@zasqueas]

@@renulence7247 This just wouldn’t work, it’d either be too strong, abused, or otherwise useless. Buffing survivors wouldn’t be the solution and should never be the solution.

[@oswk9]

Deja vu

[@El_chara]

Changing the gen spawn logic is the first thing that comes in my mind tbh

[@AaronScotz]

@@renulence7247 That doesn't fix the issue. It creates new ones. Then you'll just have teams who hide for 15 minutes before slamming gens with their genrush builds. Best way to fix the issue is fix the fucking gen spawns on all the maps.

[@realtf2yan]

as a killer and survivor player this is very sad to see

[@thesfnb.5786]

As a killer player this is traumatizing to see. Who tf has the patience for this?

[@dumblenutz5561]

​​@@thesfnb.5786No clue. I used to play pre rework merchant and not even i could go on for a long time when the survivors eventually 3 genned themselves. At some point i just gave up and commited to a chase knowing i would lose the final gen.

[@zachreed9836]

You know, it's very unfortunate and sad to see this game in such a really bad State. This game favors survivors and anytime. Killers play how what they want it to send. But when survivors do it, it's okay.

[@RedMentalHM66]

I wasted my 20 minute He is just crying classic Survivor rule book 😂 next rule no three gen. DBD community is childish

[@sherwinfortuin1495]

I'm not surprised, the majority of the dbd player base is toxic Both killers and survivors

[@empiyrr2133]

I think this is being blown way out of proportion it’s a combination of things which don’t work when you’re not on a map like Gideon’s

[@ThedreadrogueYT]

And there’s also the part of this kind of game being pretty rare. It’s extremely unlikely for this guy to encounter this exact player again.

[@brangwynthedarkestdeity1210]

You can also do this with Cenobite, and Cenobite doesn't need to actually look for the box, but the players do. Adding something like a 4th gen for them to get that moves.

[@gantref9202]

It's a tough problem, add a 4th gen and the Killer id basically screwed at that point, might as well just reduce the number of gens needed to open the gates to 4 if your gonna do that.

[@DeputyFish]

just add a 4th gen that opens back up after a certain amount of time. like 20 minutes since almost no matches other than PoS player matches last that long. @@gantref9202

[@Crispy_DAWG]

Yeah Cenobite is brutal. When the box is active and you run double slowdown on lament configuration. Even on Mother’s Dwelling I knocked everyone out in like 11 minutes.

[@brangwynthedarkestdeity1210]

@@Crispy_DAWG and they can't do gens, because chains are irritatingly accurate if your not moving doing a gen. With other perks you can make it pure suffering... Which actually fits the character.

[@spy19244]

"This guy is the reason killers get Nerfed" lmao I agree with what coconut said if you can do it on every killer its not a killer issue its just a gameplay problem. Also no hate to cammy but its obvious he was getting so stressed that they just started blaming anything that could be the reason why they were losing, "their stream sniping" "hes cheating " "hes a sweat trying to make killers get nerfed"

[@nsreturn1365]

when survs dont get out in 5 min they start to develop cloucoma. ...

[@DeputyFish]

20 minute*@@nsreturn1365 thats how much most of us want a match to last. maybe less its ridiculous to play a quick dbd game then be stuck there for an hour

[@Baby-Blue-102]

as a killer main who's played solo que, there are some pretty shitty killers out there. and given a perfect game doesnt exist, the dev's can't do anything about it. any change they make will just lead players to exploit the next big thing, or the strongest things. its a PLAYER, issue. not a gameplay issue. I would make the polite and respectful argument a gameplay issue when somethings easy, intuitive, and very obviously unhealthy for the game. this playstyle after the death of the skull merchant seems unhealthy, but FAR less easy/Intuitive. the amount you have to mathematically do on average as shown in the video is absurd. people have to go OUT of their way to do it on a superlative scale. it shouldn't even be a question on wether its a map or gameplay or dev issue. coconut even implies at the end of the video that we have the power as the players to decide how we play untill its essentially impossible to play that way anymore. TLDR: the devs are doing their best, but no game is perfect and people are going to exploit no matter what you do. the gameplay isn't to blame, its the player going so far to exploit it.

[@YouLoseGoodDay]

3 gens aren't really a problem. Just a strategy. Personally I play just to fuck around so I never and I mean never run gen regression perks because they're so boring. But if people wanna play like this it's fine. It's a survivor issue. Don't 3 gen yourself. Why should behavior nerf something that the survivors put themselves in 9/10 most 3 gens are caused by survivors not thinking about what gens they do. Not alot of killers run 3 gens builds.

[@PumKat666]

​@@nsreturn1365there is literally no reason for a match to go on for 59 minutes straight

[@zkillyatt1738]

The Game has been a map that 3gen camping has been a horrible problem forever, I mean you can stand in the center of the map and your terror radius would reach the whole area! It’s a really small map and gens are usually going to spawn really close together-

[@ThedreadrogueYT]

Some maps are like that

[@dains6623]

there's always some wild shit happening in this community lol

[@jims7773]

It's not even a community it's a cesspool lol

[@rodneywear7501]

I love this game. But for the most part the community is so toxic, I just ignore everything,and do me.

[@Crispy_DAWG]

Yeah the TTV was annoyingly entitled, but the Singularity also has no life spending almost an hour for one win.

[@Red_XIII_]

@@Crispy_DAWGI mean the killer is doing their job and playing obj to get hooks you can't blame him especially when they knew they 3 gend themselves and still continued to pump the wrong gens to me it's a case of a killer being patient while the survivors burn themselves out trying to figure out how to combat the singularity which eventually turned into surv side complaining about the killer understanding that chases aren't the best idea because they'll take you away from the gens they failed to realize they were so close

[@totallynotgay553]

​@Red_XIII_ "doing their job". my guy it took nearly an hour for them to get a 3k lmao. defending this playstyle is ridiculous lol

[@MihaiDurus]

This is totally a design issue. They should increase the minimum distance between 2 gens can spawn or even better... add a new mechanic that can counter it. I read this suggestion some time ago and it was brilliant: adding an item in the basement chest when there are 3 generators left (they called it the monkey paw), where a survivor can switch a completed generator with one of the other 3, but that survivor will be exposed for the rest of the trial and the killer will be notified that this item was used.

[@puma263]

Well I mean I don't think the singularity was cheating but I would have figured you would have used the players exact build with 4 slowdown perks and you managed a 30 minute match with really no slowdown at all so it is highly rational for it to be done.

[@M_pres]

Yeah I wasent even cheating lol I’m console

[@the-annoyinator]

huh@@M_pres

[@C3lticlord]

@@M_pres are you the bloke? seemed fine to me

[@DoctorCrescentMoon]

Guess it was actually programmed to harm the crew

[@denshev9333]

Bro 😂

[@starnt4389]

Law 1: the crew require plasma to live

[@gatinhopretolp]

Coconut's dramatic Obama-ish narration style is hilarious.

[@ryannem1216]

It's so fucking annoying and fake.

[@maxdoesdrumskinda4049]

Loving these documentary-style videos, very entertaining.

[@thelastgamer1]

They were using 4 slow down perks with the singularity’s power tho you didn’t use any of those slow downs. I mean I guess the killer with no slow down is fine but old skull merchant was very stoppable without slow down but with slow down she was more trouble to win against then it was worth with zero effort as the killer.

[@peyches00majickmanshin2]

yea he didn't even do it right. It is pretty simple to pick the right perks.

[@inkpudding2498]

Fuckin love the chess playstyle, truly one of the moments of all time. "He's streamsniping" lmaooooo

[@daviddavidson7747]

Every single survivor team I've ever seen stream this game either whines when they lose or BM's when they win. This game fosters the weakest mental community I swear.

[@GrogMcFrog]

No, people don't acknowledge the mental fortitude it takes to keep doing this for both sides

[@JayImmortalTV]

Precisely, people aren't exactly considering that the coordinated SWF and a killer holding for so long is exceptionally competitive play and requires a lot of experience and good follow-through calls on both sides.

[@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN]

I am trash but I won most of my games as 3 gen SM. Haven’t really tried it with other killers but might get the singularity now 😂

[@InfInityNoir]

That was precisely the issue with skull merchant, 3-genning with her was easy as fuck, the game basically played itself, most other killers can't do it as easily and for so long unless they get exceptional map rng or send themselves to saloon

[@Natsukashii-Records]

@@InfInityNoir I call bullshit, I have had an easy time 3-genning as cenobite, legion, dredge, nurse and blight(not that they need to), sadako, pig, trapper, and any killer that has map mobility or secondary objectives and especially in small maps. I also mainly play survivor cause I don't play too much DBD as is and when I do I play with a friend, so no, in no way is this a unique issue to one or two killers nor is it 'easy' to pull off as one SMALL mistake, one chase that might last 20 seconds longer, one gen you might forget to rotate to, and you lose. This NEEDS skill on the killer's side, and while it might be easier than say being good at chases, it needs a different kind of skill all together. It's not against the rules, it doesn't 'hold the game hostage' as you are free to die whenever and give up, and it is a viable tactic. People whining about 3-genning and go full meta perks SWF are just as disgusting if not more so than those killers.

[@InfInityNoir]

@@Natsukashii-Records harder =/= hard, also why is it always the people that barely play killer (and therefore play against babies whenever they actually do) that keep saying killer is super easy ? If you want to actually know try playing killer only for like a week to a month and then either you are actually good at the game and it still feels pretty easy or you are a normal player, should start to get players of a similar skill bracket and actually start to struggle and get the point

[@MisterRagdoll]

I don't think that killer cheated or streamsniped. They also weren't held hostage, just let killer hook you if you want to leave. Every single time killer did something they didn't like they complained and every time killer failed at doing something they insulted him. This is perfect example of entitled players that are making DBD worse

[@xhappybunnyx]

it really feels like a dog who's perpetually 1cm away from catching it's own tail... spends all the energy chasing it without ever realizing it's chasing itself lmao

[@nostalyss4682]

The situation was definitely managable. They needed more split gen pressure. Grouping on gens especially in a 3 gen situation is never a good idea. I've been 3 genned by Singularity a few times and it usually worked out and we got 3 to 4 people out. I do agree that 3 gens are a problem in the game but not nearly as much as they used to be since CoB and Overcharge got nerfed

[@arstulex]

Are you suggesting that they should have... adapted their strategy?!? *That's heresy in this game's community, son!* Everyone knows that the real answer is to bitch and whine whenever somebody uses a strategy you don't like. Bonus points if you make things personal by throwing shade at them too!

[@Keyourasa]

@@arstulex i know ur joking but i do want to point out they had a random and ontop of that the strategy for countering this playstyle is ALOT more advanced than being able to 3 gen from the killer side as its basically just no commit anything. the skill discrepancy imo already indicates an issue

[@arstulex]

@@Keyourasa Sure, but ultimately that is a problem with the game's design, not this particular player. There is no sense at all in personally attacking players for simply using a strategy the game allows them to, yet all too often that is exactly what happens. People should blame the devs for designing the game that way and take their issues up with them instead.

[@Keyourasa]

@arstulex i agree with u to a degree but also i understand that while ur in the game itself u dont really think of the big picture and just kinda want to shit on the killer for playing super lame. Yea they for sure should have adapted the strat a bit more. But my point was is that its alot harder for the surv side to do that than the killer side of the 3 gen imo But yea people do end up kinda shitting on people that play like tbis when it is a game issue but in the heat of the moment i think alot of us would.do the same

[@eem2wavy133]

⁠@@arstulexdamn even the other dude disagrees with your shitty take lol

[@GormSiggurdson]

He sounds like he's used to rioting when he doesn't get his way.

[@C3lticlord]

yeah just a whiny baby

[@plsdontbanmeagainyoulibtards]

he's definitely been in a few antifa forums.

[@shawngonzales8235]

Please stfu your the type to never say there wrong like at least don't lie saying this when you on God don't care but being held in a game over 30 min is ridiculous even for Dbd

[@someoneusedtobeknown2645]

69th like lesgoooo

[@GoldSrc1198]

I don't think I ever played a game with more weird arbitrary non written rules then DBD.

[@user-ru2ib8eq6x]

Oh be fucking realistic. Some ways of playing are obviously just to grief everyone.

[@xalisae]

@@user-ru2ib8eq6x You mean like the streamer's build with head-on and flashbang?

[@haven6455]

just it's been happening forever man, every killer has to follow the survivor rulebook; allegedly.

[@atespeach5672]

@@user-ru2ib8eq6x Wahhh wahhh lol Let's be mature, if people weren't trying so hard to win in a non-competitive game these would just be rare, maybe even novel (entertaining) one off things

[@Red_XIII_]

@@user-ru2ib8eq6xtheres no right way to play killer as long as you get hooks you did your job they shouldn't be judged just because half the surv base are a bunch of crybabies who bitch and moan about the simplest things because it's not “fun” to them it's like when you get a bully swf and they don't get to do their bullying because you killed the one person they had dedicated to be cannon fodder for saves I've had many situations where I stopped a bully swf just for them to kill themselves on hook or force me to put them on hook so then can leave without doing last experience I had the whole set tried it shit talk me even though I got the 4k because they got too altruistic and I capitilized on their mistakes

[@lucasstark2150]

It's like I'm on grade school again. ''No Timmy you can't play that way!'' Looking in as an outsider, what a fascinating community dbd encourages.

[@regulargoat7259]

It really do be like that, but as someone who does play, it is so easy to just not play like an asshole. Games are about having fun, and if I can maximize everyone’s fun by going for someone else for like 30 seconds to make the game seem a little closer than it actually is, I don’t see why this singularity couldn’t have left his 3 gen and started pursuing people once the 30 min mark happened. I had a 3 gen as huntress once, held it to the 30 minute mark, and then let one of the 3 remaining survivors lead me on a chase for half a gen. Boom, I get a 3k (I almost always let one person leave) and people get the heart-pounding fun of actually being pursued

[@GoldSrc1198]

The vod shows them doing 2 gens right next to each other while the random is in a chase/unhooked. Then the random starters to do a gen while the SWF run around the map and heal. streamer get in a chase and the random finishes a gen near the 2 that were already done. that 3 gen might have been capitalized on by the singularity but they did it to themselves.

[@DeoNone69]

you can't stop a 3 gen if the killer defends it from the start, which is literally what this guy did. no matter what these survs would've done to prevent it, they still would have to fight through this 3 gen, at any moment, because this PoS of a plater specializes in the most toxic broken abusable strategies.

[@notknownlogic4161]

@@DeoNone69not very bright are you. those survivors were more toxic than the killer in that game. you try to hold any kind of moral highground and you are wrong. its a playstyle you dont like, so you call him a "PoS of a plater" (get your spelling right please its not that hard.) and yes you can stop a 3 gen even if the killer starts out this way. you probably dont care what non-survivor mains have to say because youre probably part of the toxic side of the community. I felt sorry enough for you to leave this reply. good day sir, and good riddance.

[@zamba136]

"Wah wah, he has a 3 gen win strategy. Wah wah" Reminds me of how people act when playing against permission/fatigue decks in a card-game. Also reminds me of league players when you don't surrender at 15 minutes when they are done playing. Such players deserve to be held in hour-long games

[@PumKat666]

This comment really shows your mentality when playing games

[@zamba136]

@@PumKat666 yes, it does. I play control decks without clear win conditions in card games. I never surrender in league, and all other forms of communication are turned off. And i often enjoy the "long game" strategies in competative games that allow me to outlast my opponents. I play tanks and healers in games with classes, with the motto, "if you can't hurt me, i do infinite damage" I litterally derive fun in multiplayer video games by slowly draining the fun from other players, and i choose such strategies from the beginning of the game. And the best part is that you don't know you're queued up with me until it's too late. >:}

[@PumKat666]

@@zamba136 bro is devious💀💀💀

[@mr.youtube4723]

​@@zamba136honestly while playing like this is vaild, because you're using the tools provided. You have to take in to consideration that most people dont enjoy that. I don't think that that way og playing should 100% be removed but it does need to be tonned down. Like the new 3 gen system, while you can do it still eventually you can only buy a set amount of time

[@krypticmdmn2676]

When Singularity came out i pointed this problem out after realizing this was possible on dead dawgs saloon, if there is an area you can see 3 gens through a pod or multiple, you can stay using pod view whilst strategically placing singularity somewhere close by, watch and just infect for teleport or jump back to singularity.

[@DeputyFish]

yep i said the same thing. i dont know how it took people this long ive been held captured a few times already on cowshed had one that lasted like 50 minutes we actually managed one person out.

[@Sythine]

Some guy did this as Singularity on Deaddawg while I was in a 3 man swf. If everyone is a good player, it's really easy to 4 out but it just takes a long time and you all have to play really safe. One person basically sits on the EMP machine the whole time churning them out while the other pressures the gen without being hit. As long as your callouts are good, he won't be able to TP and you'll slowly fix the gens, even with mistakes.

[@DeputyFish]

yep just need a 4 man SWF to vs a killer thats great design lol@@Sythine

[@Sythine]

@@DeputyFish I'm saying it's beatable. And it wasn't a 4 man swf, it was a 3 man. The random was one of the better performers and only made one mistake without comms while my actual swf mates made multiple even with call outs. Just 4 solo queue juicers can do it if they can be bothered with the effort.

[@DeputyFish]

except they really cant. unless the singularity plays badly. the survivors wont have enough info to go off of. that you get in a 3-4 man or even a 2 man@@Sythine

[@PsyCoCinematics]

I don't mean to be negative, but the accusations from the lizard in that clip are outstanding. Coconut had to very politely avoid saying "Skill issue" but the ending stats show it: if you are will to do things 100s of times, and if four fully healed survivors, in direct communication with one another, might I add, cannot find a way to have at least 2 touch a generator, I dunno what to say. A full SWF jumping to conclusions of 'must be cheating!' Surprise, surprise. "When I 3 gen, I at least chase people!" So we're policing how people play games now? Nice to see the ol' reliable 'survivor's handbook' meme alive and well. For a guy to p100 any killer to not have the concept of how 3 gens work and how they fall apart...boggled. For all the irony of the phrase: you didn't pressure gens enough.

[@Chaooo]

Exactly. That was the critical issue I held against the reptile streamer the entire time; it got to the point where he started sounding like your typical entitled survivor main. "We dug ourselves in a hole, BHVR please punish the killers and let me win all my games!! He's not playing in accordance with MY ethical rules!" It's that kind of thinking that seriously ruined the game for me early on in its lifecycle and why I had quit playing the game. Yeah, 3-genning is an issue about core game design, that's not even surprising since this is BHVR we're talking about, but I've held 3-gens back in the day with Billy because of how shit the map design was (and still is for most maps), and - mind you - this was before you could kick generators to regress them.

[@Devilhand21]

The stats shown were on a map that was very open and he wasn't using full slow down build like the singularity. The Game is a very enclosed map that is also very small, making it really easy to move from gen to gen. So the singularity didn't even need to teleport if he was just watching the pods, and if he did teleport, it was an added bonus. Also, the killer dropped chase as soon as he could to protect the gens and not stray too far from them, kicking and chasing the swf away. Also, the cheating accusation came when the speed boost from getting hit didn't happen, which was a bug apparently. People can play however they want, but the singularity was intentionally playing like a POS just because he could, the killer was already focusing on protecting the 3 gen at the very start and had barely gone above ground to chase. In the end, they were decently pressuring the gens until one of them died, but the map was the biggest issue here as it's just too small and any killer can do this.

[@PsyCoCinematics]

​@@Devilhand21The players knew what he was doing and let it happen anyway. Any m1 killer could have done what he did. Clearly, we need to nerf pig. Did the Singularity have a different build? Aye. Did Coconut thoroughly test things out? No. But I didn't upload it, so you'll have to ask him for more details as to why. End of the day, the devs said they are going to 'address' 3-gens next month or so, so no matter what we say killers are gonna get nerfed and that's that.

[@Devilhand21]

@@PsyCoCinematics How are you supposed to stop a random who doesn't know a damn thing of what is going on? Answer, you can't. And yeah, killers are going to get nerfed because 3 gen holds are going to be stopped. In the end, it is what it is.

[@PsyCoCinematics]

@@Devilhand21 ​ 'The Trapper placed a trap down, then I stepped in it. I think that's really unfair because it takes away my agency and disrespects my time invested.' Dbd will continue to get what it deserves until the devs put in a solo queue only and/or ranked mode, but till then it is what it is. Have a good night.

[@jeremiahharrington2380]

This guy is a little melodramatic

[@xalisae]

A little?

[@SubKnight151]

found the 3 gen killer!

[@danielorlovaquinn]

​@@SubKnight151autistic people really need less internet access

[@specky4153]

​@danielorlovaquinn how would you know this guy's autistic? He's got a point. That streamer was complaining and whining so much that game.

[@notknownlogic4161]

@@danielorlovaquinn agreed lol

[@xSNACKERx]

the 3 gen is counterable but no one brings gen perks or tool boxes, everyone brings mft hope lithe and dead hard with a flashlight or medkit cause they want to pretend to be ayrun

[@boiiiiiii5741]

Exactly and Cries later, these are the same survivor who doesn't know shit about game only knows how to complain and cry about how strong killer is.

[@RenShinomiya121]

People want to be the next mlg survivor shitting on killer mains like how Noob3 used to do. Clicking on the flashlights everytime they dropped a pallet. Dead Hard, and DSing killers even though they nerfed DS.

[@eem2wavy133]

This is just a braindead take. Yes 3 gens is counterable is you know exactly what type of killer your going against problem is you don’t know if your going against a 3 gen knight or a speedy wesker that can get downs like no tommorow.

[@pwn3ronetwothree]

I swear small streamers only stream so that they can cry "HE'S STREAMSNIPING ME!!!!"

[@ehaydon3491]

What i feel the survivors should have done was have one person working on each gen and then have the fourth hiding nearby. When the singularity looks through bio pods, they will only see 1 person working on the gen. When that person is chased away and the gen kicked, the hidden survivor would work on that gen. Since the singularity doesn’t know there was a second person, they won’t check that gen for a short while, it would still be slow, but you could eventually break the 3 gen. Obviously this doesn’t solve the over arching problem, but in this specific instance i think it might have worked. The killer didn’t have surveillance or no where to hide, so they wouldn’t know of the second survivor.

[@boopbop3587]

this is spot on

[@Synfralidro]

Anyone who actually plays killer knows that holding a 3 gen isn't fun, it's basically what the devs have morphed the game to being. If you play "fair", according to how the survivors want you to play, you get smoked, game after game. It's not fun playing Killer...

[@nhgamer98]

As a Hux enjoyed, I've had many matches that naturally turned into 3gens. And almost all of them end in my favor. While it can be hard for the survs, it's still very winnable. But on maps like the game or RPD, it feels like I can never lose. But that being said, any killer can 3gen. Especially with those perks.

[@MagicNash89]

Thats a lot of survivor entitlment in those dialogs, even if the guy talking plays killer🤣If he just said "it's annoying to play against" and ended it there it would be a solid argument. But he probably knows there are so many more things annoying in this game🤣

[@Devilhand21]

I mean, it's pretty understandable as to why he sounds entitled and there's nothing more annoying than pretty much getting your game held hostage as there was little to no advancement in the game state. To put it into a reasonable perspective, you're playing a game that is meant to take 10-15 minutes usually with a fair amount of hooks and gens getting done and the killer here was trying to run the game to time out since the very start. He barely ever took chase and only focused on the gens getting guarded over everything else. The only time I have played like this is when I was out of options and could only defend the three gen left behind. It isn't fun to do and it isn't fun to play against either. This is one of the most annoying things to deal with by far on this map as it is super small and you can easily start a 3 gen as any killer.

[@travismadison6552]

its not entitlement, its a busted play style. Its not fun to go against and shouldnt be possible. Sigularuty and Knights do that on that Game and RPD. Holding the game til the clock runs out is crazy and its crazy for you to think thats ok

[@Devilhand21]

@@travismadison6552 I nearly held a game hostage for an hour by accident because I was gen rushed and I couldn't hook anyone, so I was just trying to do a three gen hold on fractured with knight because I was hoping one of the survivors would mess up and I eventually gave up on the hold and tried to get at least a kill. It's not that fun to do either, and for a guy to do this intentionally for an hour is just wrong.

[@NoahFence736]

That’s not entitlement. He has every right to be upset

[@Jackywhaler]

Cammy bullied my perkless trapper on springwood after sending me there, this must be the universe's way of balancing itself lmao 4 team SWF sent to springwood and they tbag and taunt a trapper. Feelsbadman.

[@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN]

Proof or it didn’t happen

[@haven6455]

perkless by choice or? sorry to hear that though if true.

[@PsyCoCinematics]

@@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN They immediately jumped to 'stream sniping me!' 'hacking!' so it's highly likely. I've not played that group, but literally have footage of going against another group of streamers who were toxic as all get out, who did the exact same thing. They showed up with flashlights and the wiggle out fast, drop a pallet while on shoulders, and 'while carrying a survivor, the bar fills faster' combo on. Checked to see if they were live after our match, lo n' behold each and everyone one was cussing me out during the match and claimed I not only teleported, but sniped. No, they just lost at trying to make my game a living hell. Ironically it was my first match on Ghostface I ever spent BP on him as was trying to get adept. Went back to earlier in their matches and turns out they did the bully thing routinely, made a Nurse d/c the match before, and was heavily badmouthing the killer before that because they apparently went against him in the past and they, paraphrasing a quote "bullied him that match, and I bully him every match I see him in". So, yeah, I fully believe a guy crying cheating, sniping, teleporting would be in a group that would throw their weight around when they get the chance. Dude honestly thought he could only lose to a guy that was breaking the game and sent it to coconut to find a loophole so his favorite character won't get nerfed. Not saying he's a bad guy or anything, but I've seen tons of matches were the killer is new or struggling and the guy clearly looks to be having a rough time, and THAT is when the survivors turn and start bagging and flashlight spamming. Blood is in the water, they take advantage. Then killer gets ticked, finds a nasty build aaand turns other survivors toxic and the cycle continues.

[@M_pres]

Don’t worry I tortured him for u in that game haha I was the singularity

[@Amaroq64]

So in other words the effeminate crybaby streamer in this video had it coming?

[@Spearced]

"Our magical girl wands." A gamer of culture too, I see.

[@puppo3895]

Idk how Coconut has the most brain-dead fanbase when he himself is a pretty decent guy. Love how so many of y'all can't comprehend that forcing a 3gen from the start isn't healthy for the game.

[@1wakuralain]

It's an inherent curse of the game itself. You cannot get rid of it because it's defined as optimal play for many killers. There's literally no way to play DBD and also not have this playstyle incentivized by people who want to win. The only real solution is not to play. "Spreading pressure" is not a real strategy for most of the roster.

[@puppo3895]

​​@@1wakuralaini honestly feel that adding conditions like having to hook people would make those gen regression perks more manageable. (And the game reaching the hour mark just boots everyone from the game)

[@StopWhiningManguideCultists]

Hm..and forcing infinites and unwinnable games ain't healthy either

[@puppo3895]

​​@@StopWhiningManguideCultistsinfinites haven't been in the game for a while,and please, describe an unwinnable game that's on par with forcing a 3gen until the game kills the 4 survivors off

[@skall4131]

​@@puppo3895What would you do to get rid of 3 gens play style?

[@Bingus2000]

This is the only game I've ever seen with so many "unwritten rules". It's crazy how many players cry and complain when people use a strategy they don't like.

[@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN]

the game developers have even come out to say this isn’t how it’s meant to be played and they are looking to fix it, that’s why they changed SM and will Be making changes to this “strategy” in 2024. Basically bring gen regression perks, sit and watch the 3 gens that are right next to each other and that’s that.

[@The-Doctor6969]

people rly think "don't hold game hostage" = unwritten rule?

[@RatKingTerry]

@@The-Doctor6969 not letting survivors win= holding game hostage?

[@blunestinredintel]

@@RatKingTerry letting the game go on for an hour = not letting survivors win?

[@Berelore]

"he's not taking chase and downing people" also "Brittany and Riley are on death hook" ...

[@C3lticlord]

this lizard guy is a whiny cry baby, what else is the killer supposed to do?

[@gregorybaker9110]

honestly the fear really resonates with me cause i loved skull merchant cause it gave me lots of fun stealth control almost feeling like an alt version of pig for me, but the playstyle nerffed and ruined everything i loved about her kit making it feel like i wasted my time even trying to learn something other than my main

[@Sachiko_Zeingor]

Dude the new SM seems even stronger to me. Lots of stealth, lots of speed-up, making survivors broken and hindered AND damaging them without even touching them. How is she in any way weaker? Her drones can still be placed right next to gens as well. It was all around a buff. The only buff I support is her chase music as it went from unbearable to bad

[@Warriorsoul101]

SM is so much better. I started maining her cus her drones now crush Made For This users. Shame it's gonna counter her now lol

[@Sachiko_Zeingor]

@@Warriorsoul101Not gonna lie, that was smart thinking. Thankfully, with the new nerf to MFT, you don't have to stoop so low and play her ever again

[@dumblenutz5561]

​@@Sachiko_ZeingorNow you should instead play her because she's fun. You get alot of zoomies and free info. The only real reason someone wouldn't wanna play her now is bias. Seeing as people haven't moved on yet...

[@NotAnElf]

She's much better now, heck, she wasn't "nerfed" in a traditional sense, she was reworked, balanced. Though I must say, I've been running more chase perks on her and the speed you can get her up to us nutty, I remember stacking enough haste to keep pace with survs using sprint burst.

[@HelloQro]

my dude here sweating his heart out with his com friends "oh no, he isn't letting us win", such entitlement

[@C3lticlord]

yeah the amount of shit the killer had to do vs the survivors

[@bloodchomps1610]

What did the killer do that was bad? Survivors can’t expect to win every game it was just bad luck get used it, it’s simply part of the game

[@nathanuriel1689]

You should do it with the exact same perks

[@foxphor3598]

Say that you're an unliked loser without telling me you're an unliked loser That guy:

[@addison_v_ertisement1678]

"He's STrEaM sNIPING! HE'S CHEaTIiNG!"

[@Flintosta]

I played against this streamer a while back. He already had Singularity to P100 a couple weeks after the release. Super wholesome dude, and he was 100% in the right. This isn't a Singularity issue, it's something that can be done with any killer depending on the RNG of the map.

[@abathurx9500]

I would probs argue the "wholesome" point because his "apology" he issued team eternal felt like a back-hander disguised as a hand shake how he said survivors while the survivors had to resort to "Cheap and boring Strategies" they still beat him fair and square. I dont buy it for one second. This man is poison for the DBD community, and I genuinely believe that. He single-handedly got SM nerfed, and is looking set to put the singularity in the same position, despite the roadmap saying otherwise.

[@LucolanYT]

@@abathurx9500 He was talking about the streamer streaming survivor in the video. They're the one with p100 Hux, not the chess player.

[@abathurx9500]

@@LucolanYT well fair enough, but my comment was aimed at the dick who held eternal for 50 minutes

[@halfcutonion6342]

Wholesome my ass, he immediately started crying about stream sniping, and called the killer bad for swinging at a window fake.

[@YOUCOMEOUTYOURSHITISGONE]

​@@halfcutonion6342 I think just about everyone would get a little bit tilted if a killer dragged a game out for almost an HOUR.

[@ghallib]

if a was a survivor in the game i would hate what his doing but com on guys we all agree that this was a really cool match to watch and sees whos gonna win

[@M_pres]

Exactlyyy

[@narc692]

This could be countered by just split gen-ning and not running too far away from the gen after getting chased away so you can tap it or distract him on one gen long enough

[@caydencoyle5513]

Exactly. 3 genning is 100% an issue but running off to heal every time someone gets hit is why this group wasn’t able to get the gens done

[@100TenaciousD]

​@@caydencoyle5513oh so they should't have healed and went back to the gen to be insta down? Got it thanks😊

[@asuraofwrath]

this three gen was held at the start of the match and thus they couldn't break it early even if they started the game doing those gens

[@onyxcitaro2012]

Yeah, the way that killer player was camping a three-gen from the start and specifically using hooks in the radius to gain kills, unless he started slugging healing at every opp was all they could do to try. The EMPs need to be buffed for scenarios like this as that's really the main way to counter someone who obviously has no life (otherwise how would they find that kind of match enjoyable and fun). The only way you could try and force the 3-gen to end early is a 4-SWF, and have all of you running Deja Vu. That way, the DV bonus can be split across all three gens, even with a singularity using the Pods. One person per gen with DV and maybe other perks for Gen Speed, etc. is the best way to counter this. DV may have seemed broken when it was first buffed but it really helps situations like this. Oh and if the killer isn't chasing you beyond a certain point, you can probably use Self-care safely while they go back to kick the gen you were just chased from, giving a teammate time to get more DV progress on a different gen. Stick close and hope, avoiding hooks and healing. The killer will eventually lose that 3-Gen if you pressure it enough at the beginning. But getting randos to coop with that would ofc make it harder to do

[@mr.youtube4723]

​@100TenaciousD No, they should have to at least switch up their approach and apply pressure. They could have afford going down maybe, but even with this they probably would still all die

[@MikeyBoiYah]

One of the saddest things about getting into dbd content recently is how rampant the entitlement is in this soft community. If these people watched a single QuietKills video they would turn to dust on the spot

[@Lpettro]

Typical complaint factory. Good video.

[@FortyBattletoad]

oh no killers guarding a three gen the horror.

[@caigecorgiat690]

Unpopular opinion, 3 gens are very counterable but most people don't pay attention. Tired of people acting like the killers absolutely HAVE to play in a way that allows survivors to use even less brain cells for a win, while killers are constantly being given new perks and metas to deal with

[@Devilhand21]

Depends on the map. The Game is impossible to break a 3 gen on if the killer is 100% committed to only protecting those 3 gens and running full slow down. Not all killers play like this, but on this map in specific, it's easy to do this with any and all killers, especially if they have movement options.

[@eem2wavy133]

So are survivors wtf? And with sfws maybe? But solo queue which is the majority of the player base 3 gens is almost impossible without any coordination. ( also depends on the killer and perks)

[@Devilhand21]

@Slukke Did you not see what the singularity was doing? Do you not know what the singularity was doing? Because the singularity was intentionally not going for hooks and was going for time out, which instantly kills survivors, and had nearly succeeded at accomplishing this. Maybe if this was a very well coordinated 4man swf that knew right off the bat, then this 3gen chain could be broken, but it would be a very hard task regardless. And if it wasn't almost impossible to break, why did we get an update to prevent 3gens anymore?

[@infiniteregress8032]

Survivors aren't having fun oh no I'm so sad about that

[@VoldKira]

I've never heard so many survivors moans before in my life. They don't have any problem with doing all gens at 4 minutes, but god forbid a killer can hold 3 gens for more than 20 minutes or they "riot".

[@AlexanderC80]

But a 3-gen for 20 minutes is a serious problem though

[@KingDarkHacks]

bro thinks holding 3 gens for 20 mins is fun 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@theystolemypancake]

I knowwwwwwwwwww, it's so annoying! both complain too much!

[@notknownlogic4161]

agreed. survivors are so used to getting what they want i really like seeing a long 3 gen like this.

[@messatine]

Found the killer main! What's your Reddit account buddy?

[@Midnight_x_Sin]

Loving the facial hair 💪🏻 no wonder you were ghost for a bit, had to grow it out

[@LastKnown800]

The killer can play how ever he wants. This is the result of a dev team the constantly finds a way to nerf one side into the ground over and over and a game community that accepts its as normal or even thinks that this is how its suppose to be.

[@AaronScotz]

And if a killer plays like this, then he's just a POS. No one has fun when you play like that. Not even the killer has fun. People who play for 3 gens just want everyone to suffer.

[@LastKnown800]

@@AaronScotz incorrect. Winning is fun. Loosing is not fun. Why should the killer suffer for survivors enjoyment? Thats one of the terrible flaws of DBD and a reason TCM is far better.

[@DrJesus-st9rk]

@@AaronScotz i absolutely have fun doing it what are you on?

[@AaronScotz]

@@DrJesus-st9rk I have more fun losing 10 min games than winning a 1 hour game. The majority of the community all agree with me.

[@AaronScotz]

@@LastKnown800 TCM is just as flawed, my guy.

[@you.findbitches6054]

I main singularity and playing on the game is always so fun for me because if the survivors screw up and give me a 3 gen (i never intentionally set up 3 gens because i know its annoying to go against) then i basically always win. Singularity does have an advantage on 3 gens because you can be in two places at once much easier so usually i end up feeling bad at around 15 minutes and just let the survs go.

[@AaronScotz]

Never feel bad for them. They wouldn't feel the same for you.

[@mint5438]

​@@AaronScotzThis ^ A sad chunk of survivors feel zero remorse popping 3 gens in no time at all.

[@quinntrbl]

​@mint5438 Exactly. I'll never forget them abusing Boon circle of healing, and neither should anyone else. That era was absolute pain.

[@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN]

Most don’t know where the gens are and work them as they come across it so screw up wouldn’t be the right word I’d say. Some knight try to 3 gen me but he made a big mistake that day cause I was on my cheese account 😂

[@AaronScotz]

@@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN So you admit to cheating? Then you're worse than the knight.

[@vortexventamy]

I actually had a singularity do almost the exact same thing on The Game. It was really hard and eventually two of my survivor buddys gave up, and eventually the killer gave up at let us do the last gen! It is extremely hard to break a good 3 gen on a singularity with overcharged, call of brine, eruption, and whatever fourth gen perk they put on. Note this was I think BEFORE the decrease in biopod time (when it was like a minute long)

[@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN]

I use to have oppression as a perk when I did 3 gen skull merchant 😂

[@PumKat666]

​@@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN literally no one cares bot

[@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN]

@@PumKat666 I see you mad, must’ve lost against many 3 gen sm lmao

[@PumKat666]

@@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN if I was mad it'd be obvious, but literally no one cares💀 You are quite literally the "Hex: Mommy Milkers" 2.0 lmao

[@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN]

@@PumKat666 you’re not mad and no one cares but yet you had to comment and respond back to me. If you not mad and don’t care then leave my comment alone 🤡🥴🤣.

[@raccoon.legion]

What I dont get is why when a survivor swf gen rushes you in 3 minutes flat it is just a "skill issue" as they commonly say, but when a killer does a protection job without fault for 59 minutes straight and keeps a level head doing so it is wrong and toxic. If survivors gen rushing is just "how they win" then defending gens is how the killer wins as it comes down to ones mental determination and the initiator will win 9/10 times, survivors hate when killers have a 2% chance of fun nowadays I swear.

[@AaronScotz]

2% chance of fun? Holding games hostage for an hour isn't fun for either side. It's just petty. Yes, gen rushing sucks, but getting held in a game for an hour should NEVER be a thing.

[@Charlotte4Short]

Blud thinks holding 3 gens from the start of the game is fun 💀

[@notknownlogic4161]

@@Charlotte4Shortit is fun. you just arent smart enough to see it the same way.

[@blunestinredintel]

they.... they gen rushed in 3 minutes flat because he was holding a 3-gen from the very start.

[@raccoon.legion]

@@blunestinredintel and they got punished for it, by being morons and just going "unga bunga do gen fast ruin killers day" they screwed themselves over and it was deserved

[@v-vj3042]

If you are playing 3gen singularity against 4survivors you cant commit to chase. If you go after pre running survivor it takes 10-15sec to catch up you hit him he runs across the map it takes another 10-15sec to down him then you have to travel back to the gens because your biopod is destroyed and it takes 20seconds to go back to the gen. 15+10+20=55seconds so the gen is already 95% done from the start and survivors will just tank one hit to avoid surge/eruption and commit the gen to adrenaline pop. So yes you have to play your cards right. Committing to a chase is not an option. You have to catch injured survivors offguard to get eruption and surge value or inflict broken as much to make gens regress very fast with call of brine and overcharge. Also you have to make good biopod setup to emps to force them to use those and then they need to wait 110seconds to get another emp in certain location. Its like FNAF and playing cards with your perks and add ons

[@That_0ne_Dev]

A P100 singularity. Man that takes commitment right there

[@watertommyz]

I mean, the game is being held hostage by survivors who just don't want to lose. Take the L, and the match is over. Killer is allowed to go for wins. Minimizing gen distance is a legit strat. If survivors don't want to risk doing gens, that's as much on them as the killer.

[@boiiiiiii5741]

These guys only know how to cry on twitter about how strong killer is instead of learning how to play.

[@asadaduf]

They never split pressure to other gens, they never *not* healed and risked doing gens instead, and whenever someone got chased, 2 survivors also chased to take hits. And they expected to win easily.

[@yobson]

that killer is a 3 gen king tbh, legend

[@M_pres]

Thank you my guy it was me lol

[@spaghettisploitation1029]

​@@M_pres Haters gonna hate!

[@UnstableAlpaca]

Sometimes the players just arent good enough to figure out how to win. Thats just how it is...

[@Baby-Blue-102]

I love the ending to this. it REALLY pins this less on the game mechanics and more on the player. is it possible in the game? certainly. mathematically anyway. but just like that player, they have to be willing to do ALL that. If someones willing to go that far waste that much time, and do that much mathematically there IS no solution; its already far from optimal to be doing and Mathematically difficult to Acheive. the problem isn't the singularity, the problem is that the player will go any length to hold others hostage and fufill that playstyle. we need to spread that message a bit more. as a killer main i've played solo survivor and there's not many nice killers I've seen. and before the anti-camp update i saw a LOT of camping as well. people are just finding ways to play the game in the least fun, most universally subjectivley agreed upon boring way, and really ruining other's fun. and while their fun isn't your responsability, you should really be kind to your fellow players, or just not play multiplayer games. multiplayer games aren't meant to breed the sort of degenerate competitiveness that makes people want to hold others hostage and prevent them from having fun in their game for an hour. i will be legitimatley suprised if one person can name a game that breeds this type of toxic mentality and behavior (besides yugioh and other card games, as i've heard running the clock is genuine arguments in tournaments and whatnot.) TLDR: love that coconut leaves the conclusion in OUR hands. are we willing to do ALL that just to use that fundamentally unhealthy playstyle? if your Answer is yes, you are mathematically a bad person XD

[@escapethematrix4204]

Every 10 minutes with no gens being fully repaired, the entity shuffles the gen locations. Easy fix.

[@SalaAl2024]

That would be amazing. They need to change the game mode if not addin a new one. This would be one of the poasible changes to a better outcome.

[@PaksinDanacog]

Bring this comment to the top guys

[@boxcar_s8132]

I would make it 20 since if no gens were done by then it would be a true hostage situation and most DBD games are only 10 minutes

[@Darksage5555]

The thing is that the game is supposed to get more killer sides the longer the game goes. Survivors have limited resources that they slowly run out of.

[@AaronScotz]

Too complicated for BHVR to implement. This is BHVR we're talking about. A better fix would be to just fix gen spawns as a whole. Even if they can't fix gen spawns, the least they can do is make the gen speed faster at 1 gen remaining if all the gens are within close proximity to each other (Basically base kit Deja Vu for 1 gen remaining).

[@polus134]

Turtle guy cried all game

[@Paramore_your_Decode]

He's right

[@robertmcrae908]

Soooo did he use flashbang at all?

[@ebonysoldier]

its amazing how they didn't listen to the strategy to break the 3 gen proceed to troll and then complained because they got trolled back. "Waah boring playstyle!" Its insane how much power survivors have that the second they get push back they complain. Pure insanity.

[@zachreed9836]

This is one of the problems with dead by daylight anytime, killers get value out of perks and play The Way they want. Survivors complain despite the fact that survivors always run the most broken perks in the game. They never change anything up..

[@StopWhiningManguideCultists]

I know, I get so many build variety playing against killers,I love all builds for reasons but playing killer is annoying.

[@RillistChris]

3 gen is a viable strategy, as survivor you should see it happening way before the last gen and do something about it (especially as a SWF). Its not nearly as bad as camping and tunneling or even slugging. Which are all mandatory if you play competitively, or you will get rolled by good survivors. Sure some maps are worse than others and make it hard to do something about it, but not every game can be a win. Sometimes things are not in your favor, welcome to life. At least coco got some content out of it I guess.

[@Devilhand21]

It is viable, but really annoying regardless. And the swf already saw it happening and wanted to stop it, and it was the random that didn't and messed it up. Camping, slugging and tunneling can be annoying too, but there are perks set up to prevent this from happening. There isn't much of a way to counter a really good three gen. Sure, not every game can be a win or goes in our favor. That is a part of life, but it doesn't mean we have to like it.

[@Rickard4199]

Every streamer is always crying about "streamsnipers" STOP PUT TTV in your name if you don't want people to watch you! Omfg.

[@jasonp7423]

Survivors jumping to conclusion again. DBD community never disappoints.

[@viserus_]

everything else aside, a survivor can hold the game hostage too

[@Wolfsong27FlyHalfFullHeart]

So survivors can just gen rush no penalty but a killer can’t three gen? Bloody hell this is why I don’t do swf games anymore this game just breeds a toxic mindset

[@Sachiko_Zeingor]

Average survivor mindset. "Of course we can bring (old( Dead Hard, 4 BNPs/syringes, use the strongest perks and add-ons but the killer is only allowed to use predator, beast of prey and territorial instinct with no add-ons!" I know I am exagerating here but it feels like that sometimes. My brother is a survivor main, I am a killer main. WHen I play with him I gotta remind him why killers sometimes tunnel, slug and bring really strong perks and add-ons

[@Redexe69]

The problem with allowing killers to three gen is that as you saw it can literally force the server to shut down after an hour (granted the killer was trying to be a POS and hold it for an hour) so I think there needs to be a change for both sides so that three gens aren’t unbearable to go against and in the first 30 seconds two gens don’t immediately pop

[@lillipton8838]

There's no such thing as gen rushing (unless you're referring to a 4 man swf bringing 4 toolboxes with gen perks) and the reason why 3 gening is unhealthy is because the game can go on for an hour untill the servers shut down

[@slippery2322]

I often genrush with just me and one other person on coms and i only have about 300 hours into dbd. I do enjoy killer more and play it for fun rather than wasting time and winning in a sluggish way because that gives me nothing so I agree with the 3 gen issue with certain perks and maps but lets not pretend gen rushing isnt an issue that almost any killer will face while going vs a swf. 2 or 4.@@lillipton8838

[@Sachiko_Zeingor]

@@lillipton8838Of course gen-rush is a thing, but it is part of the game. If I play killer and survivors did 3 gens within the first 2 minutes of the game I either must tunnel or try to 3 gen to have a chance of winning again. That is by game design

[@napkinbanana]

It's crazy that people resort to complaining about every single thing. it's a game and just might have gameplay issues at times

[@AGlassofOJ]

the hell are you talking about bro. this is genuinely valid criticism and there's nothing wrong with having a problem with matches taking up to an hour to complete. seems like the only person who just wants to complain about everything is you

[@Knuffeldraak]

I mean, a better question here is to ask; was it a hostage taking situation... Or just an endless tug of war of neither side wanting to give in?

[@AaronScotz]

Any killer who plays that way has intent of holding the survivors hostage. No one does that shit just to win. They do it to be an asshole.

[@FinestFantasyVI]

It was hostage holding. I can tell you as a killer main that even I see that as pure hostage holding. Killers who aint douches wanna actually play and hook people. They wanna win chases, not abandon them to stay still and guard gens like that.

[@Knuffeldraak]

@@AaronScotz Except how do you know they "intend of holding hostage"? Not going for a play that will give you 1 single kill, for a literal loss on all other 3, is not being an asshole, that's just literal normal risk assessment. In literally any kind of context; "Take 1, let 3 go" is a horrible trade to make, DBD is no different, so it baffles me why you (generally, not personally) urge to seek malice into that. You're quite literally mandating killers to play risky, because the alternative of being careful is an immoral way to play.

[@AaronScotz]

@@Knuffeldraak The game was NEVER designed around 3 genning. it's literally an exploit that has existed since the dawn of this game. Anyone who plays to defend the gens forever is either a POS who wants everyone to die of boredom, or they're just a person doing a winstreak (Winstreaks are boring btw).

[@Knuffeldraak]

@@FinestFantasyVI Bro, the gaslighting there is real. There is no "one way to play", playing reckless and completely mindless about your enemy's objectives, absolutely is not the only way play. It may be YOUR preferable way to play as or against, but the literal fact Zone Control killers exist, hat all killers can destroy/regress generator progress, and that lots of perks exist that destroys (not just hinders/delays) survivor objective progress, completely defeats the point that "chase, down, hook, repeat" is the only way to play you try to advocate there. The whole "Brutality" scoring event of the killer is CENTRIC around Survivor Objective Denial.

[@wrayth3951]

I dunno. This doesnt seem as bad as its being made out to be. I mean I get that people hate 3 gen strategy, but it is what it is. It requires some luck, too. And as a killer, you have to play very specifically.

[@Timothee_Chalamet_CMBYN]

Not really. Just equip the gen regression perks and identify the 3 gens and make sure no one touches those. I use to 3 gen with SM and never lost, I’ll do it here and there with knight but I got bored with it

[@The_Wrath_of_god]

streamer survivor with bully perk cry ? Oh no! anyway....

[@KateWick1997]

Oh no the killer actually being able to have some control over the match, what a tragedy.

[@WalkMrJ]

This is how you deal with a SWF. What's wrong?!

[@M_pres]

Frrr

[@BlaiddTheHalfWolf]

There's nothing wrong with playing with friends, tunneling or three gens just bc someone is playing with there friends is toxic

[@s-k-i-t-e4388]

​@@BlaiddTheHalfWolfyou are right nothing is wrong with playing with your friends. The problem is the killer is alone so It becomes difficult, and they use strategies like 3 gens. It's not toxic the killer just wants to stand a chance

[@BlaiddTheHalfWolf]

@@s-k-i-t-e4388 tunneling isn't fair for the survivors

[@devinsmith8444]

​@@BlaiddTheHalfWolfAnd anything that's advantageous for the survivor isn't fair to the killer. That's how a game works. That's like hopping on CoD and expecting people to care about what's fair and what isn't. Literally nobody cares, and nobody should care.

[@axinmortal]

this is completely counterable tho it requires sync and commitment from the team. I noticed at least 1 mistake but HUGE mistake that survivors did from the bits you showed on the match, that is, every survivor needs to choose 1 gen and tunnel it but the mistake i saw a few times is that they gave free hits on the singularity. Whenever he watches with a non-functional cam and stops watching, YOU NEED TO LEAVE ASAP to a safe loop or hide in the vicinity, not even close to the gen, but hopefully on your vision, singularity kicks it and you go back inmediately, if this keeps going, 1 gen WILL fall but its exclusively about not giving him free hits. 1 hit is just not worth to leave a gen on 30% instead of 28%

[@kylaia3155]

No one's being held hostage since you can just leave the game.

[@mochi_1070]

ull get a penalty

[@slippery2322]

pretty sure id take the 10 or 20 min penalty over a 59 minute chance of just me getting hatch@@mochi_1070

[@napalm6927]

@@mochi_1070 still not hostage, they can leave the game or just die

[@AaronScotz]

And then what happens if you're forced to DC several games in a row? Now you have a long penalty so it's no different from being held hostage. And a lot of killers who play like this, won't hook you, so you can't just die on hook.@@napalm6927

[@addison_v_ertisement1678]

​@@mochi_1070Use the time out as an opportunity to touch some grass.

[@HunterPrimal]

putting ttv in your name and then shouting streamsniping is like putting a 100,000 dollar bounty on your head and then complaining about people trying to kill you

[@StandFany]

Youre so wrong.

[@HunterPrimal]

@@StandFany explain why?

[@qwota4344]

That’s like saying if you livestream yourself taking a test, you are asking for other test takers to copy your answers. But you miss the fact what they are doing isn’t allowed, so even if it’s asking for it it’s against the rules so why should they have to worry about it?

[@rachelyoung8401]

@@qwota4344they phrased their comment wrong but people put ttv in their name just so they can call streamsniping

[@HunterPrimal]

@@qwota4344 i can see your point about the test however the whole point to put "ttv" in your name is to promote your channel, so if the opponents in the game watch your channel you cannot really complain as they have simply done what you wanted them to.

[@yaboi4530]

Survivors when the objective is to do gens and the killer wont let them: He's holding me hostage!!!

[@wnuczek1892]

Skull merchant main spotted.

[@yaboi4530]

@@wnuczek1892 Nope, never touched her. Trapper main here, and proud of it.

[@Shikafau]

Can't really nerf something that ends up being a player choice desicion. Sure its annoying that this can happen on maps like the Game with a Killer fully intending on abusing it. The problem is that its a low chance of being able to be done and trying to balance it out ruins other aspects. Can't make the maps bigger or you get Garden of Joys, sometimes its the survivors fault for doing incorrect gens and they should get punished for doing so. All you can do it touch on the smallest of things to possibly help lessen the chances, but nothing will be able to stop someone from playing how they want if the game allows creativity in choice.

[@negentropyagent7337]

finally! someone who actually uses its brain

[@HeyHax]

I like his go to excuses was "Stream snipe" and "he's hacking". Streamers like him probably have ttv on their name and cry when the game doesn't go there way.

[@alu00087]

couldn't agree more

[@FinestFantasyVI]

I had a scenario like that too, which I only saw as playback after the streamers stream ended. I was a Trickster on Haddonfield. Saw someone on Darkness Revealed. Turned out it was the streamer. I zoom over there as fast as my 4.4 killer legs can get me and they gone. I randomly go to look in a locker. Lo and behold they're there. After the match they were like "Oooooh Darkness Revealed... MAYBE"

[@asadaduf]

"Omg he is so bad he swings at every window fake" While he is the one who never touched any other gen and just pushes one gen (which clearly doesn't work)

[@vegetaroronoa2660]

I’m sorry hate me if you will but I hate that survivors act like they are being held hostage when they can force objectives faster than a killer can defend or just stop purposely taking safe loops at some point you have to apply some risk

[@vegetaroronoa2660]

Seriously go back and rewatch they spend like 25 of those thirty minutes just complaining all one full go with one hook stage each no one touches gens and Milne goes to get emps like if they spread gens with emps what is a camping hux which is by far his worst playstyle to do

[@germansausage7310]

I was playing Hag the other day and this Video reminded me of that. Ruin, Thrilling Tremores, Thrill of the hunt and Unrelenting. Survivor map offering to Meatplant. Got gen rushed all 4 on the bottom side. 3 gens upstairs. 2 in the main room and one in a side room. My 2 Totems were basicly only 1 room apart also upstairs. Trapped everything with the addon Shakle and Grandma's heart. I played that game out for 35 minutes. They never got my ruin and never got the last gen done. I got into that 3 gen with 0 hooks. Went out of it with 12.

[@Yulgars]

No disrespect but omg, survivor mains when the killer does ANYTHING they'll complain

[@SalaAl2024]

Amzing video! Loved it. Nice productiin and writing. Got me hooked til the end.

[@CoconutRTS]

Danke! I've been doing my best to improve my editing. I'm glad you enjoyed it

[@Some_Idiot_Online]

i actually see this done with demogorgon very often. when i get a singularity they never do this and it's a fun game win or lose. i think it was a combination of map, gen spawns, perks and the killer all mixed together in just the right way for sheer stupidity. i dont think it's a problem with singularity because nurse could do this. or blight.. or demo or anyone with a movement ability really on that map. as for solutions, i wonder if adding another generator spawn would help as there could be 1 person on each gen. you could also have the entity just straight up move 1 of the generators far away on the last gen. generators could use a new mechanic around them anyway. i also think a buff to remaining survivors healing and or gen speed when someone dies would help here and against tunnelling to keep survivors in the match if a game seems hopeless. the hatch could also automatically spawn in after 20 minutes or 25 as a method of escape. the killer could close it, starting the exit gates. if the hatch spawns closed you could have a key chest in the basement be a thing after the 25 minutes so there's something else to do besides be locked on gens.

[@UncleDaniel]

i was waiting for the plot twist of coconut being the killer

[@Runicks]

The game is survivor sideded, In comp they really nerf survivors so the killer has a chance to, and they still lose mostly .

[@joeschmoe6516]

"Let me put TTV in my name and then whine about how people streamsnipe my basic playstyle."

[@Dragonbro91_]

So survivors match against a strong player, lose cry and call hacks.

[@puppo3895]

The loli pfp is a giveaway for the lack of braincells.

[@ThedreadrogueYT]

The likelihood that you will encounter that singularity ever again is ridiculously low.

[@TripLikeIDo86]

“they’re stream sniping” as they strategize on comms lol and if there are two or more ttvs you know they’re cos streaming and strategizing. i go after ANYBODY with ttv in their name first out of principle

[@tigerprincess1109]

I understand that a killer holding a 3 gen is annoying but that’s no reason to accuse him of stream sniping. He’s a p100 Sigularity main. By now he should know how this killer works and how he’s able to hold down a 3 gen so successfully. I actually comment this killer for holding it down like this. The longest 3 gen I held was with Artist but that only took me 20 minutes because the survivors were relentless and that was their downfall. I wish I could get a Singularity in any of my matches again. I find him to be a great killer that isn’t played enough. All I hear from this TTV is excuses.

[@M_pres]

Exactly dude I wasent even stream sniping

[@tigerprincess1109]

@@M_pres were you the Singularity in that match?