Coding apps with English

[@isaacdiko3215]

"It's probably trained on my own code" 😅 crazy flex

[@clarkio]

It's likely your code has been used to train on it as well! AI/LLM tools are gobbling up everything!!! 😅

[@JonNiola]

I don't look at this stuff as replacing developers, but rather giving us some tools to make us more productive. Using an LLM to scaffold up a rough app idea and then fleshing it out by hand would still be faster than writing everything from the ground up in most cases.

[@WesBos]

agree, the baseline has changed

[@ReimaginedFairyTales]

v1 won't replace developers...but v10?

[@wex99]

Instead of coding in the future, you will just be a code tweaker, tweaking the code generated by AI. Just like a car manufacture worker. Bye bye nice salaries.

[@SimGunther]

​@@wex99If for anything, the salaries will stay mostly where they are right now. Ever since most of the major players got on maintenance mode on top of remote work in low cost cities, those "nice salaries" already disappeared.

[@SV-tc8cu]

Yes pretty much developers will go the way horse carriage creators. Replaced by robots.

[@loganwenzel1615]

This is a refreshing perspective compared to the other developers on youtube who are confident we cant be replaced. Ppl love to follow people who will say things that make them feel better. Best just face reality

[@steve-adams]

This is really cool to see. I'm still not convinced it'll replace experienced developers, but it'll absolutely augment the way we work. One thing I don't yet have a grasp of is how new people enter the industry without being woefully unaware of how anything works. If you can coerce and AI into making an app work, you might not touch code very often at all. This will likely lead to a TON of work for people like me to do, but it might not be very fun work to do. And really, can there be a future where a generation of devs skip a huge amount of learning and depend on AIs to cover their gaps? I think there will be... I just can't imagine quite what that industry looks like.

[@Dangler774]

Only time will tell, but you can learn by doing really fast if you dont just copy blindly what the l gives you

[@NewYork81983]

As a developer who is terrible with the design side of things, this is amazing. Not to trivialize designers either since there is a lot of complexity there as well, but getting a baseline for a project within minutes, just from a design perspective with color schemes and layout, is going to very much improve that initial phase of figuring out how to execute on an idea and get something going. Since that is something I always struggle with on personal projects to just get past the foundational stuff such as how to present content and just get to working on the functional implementation

[@johnne86sd]

I’m really excited about these AI tools! As an everyday guy juggling a busy family life, I don’t see myself becoming a master coder anytime soon. Coding and tech will always be a fun side hobby for me. But with AI tools like these, I can learn faster and prototype ideas that I’d never have the time to develop from scratch! Let’s be real, folks like me aren’t here to compete with professional coders or those with computer science degrees. We’re just average people looking to dive into the world of tech for a little fun and creativity. I can totally envision a future where everyday users create simple micro web apps to share or sell, paving the way for new platforms beyond Google Play and the App Store. It’s an exciting time to explore tech, and I can’t wait to see where it all leads!

[@karamfd]

I tried using Vercel V0 after watching your video. I built an English-Arabic dictionary with auto-complete, which is pretty amazing. It took a few tries for the auto-complete to work and the tool even suggested putting a limit to 5 results for better performance. I'm pretty impressed with it to say the least. Thank you for making this video, Wes.

[@furycorp]

Its still only ever as good as what you can pull up on GitHub search, which is ultimately the training data its regurgitating.

[@nickwoodward819]

v0 is garbage

[@FuturePulse_nl]

The thing is, apps need ongoing maintenance, not just a one-time build. An LLM can spin up a full-stack app with Flask and Vue, but when something breaks, you're left guessing-or relying on the LLM to fix it, which doesn't always work. And even if it does, tomorrow might bring another bug, and you're back to hoping the LLM can keep your site running. Will LLMs improve and streamline this process? Sure. But frameworks change fast (often with poor documentation), or they go obsolete altogether, so that React app your LLM whipped up today might not run smoothly a year from now. My recommendation for people who don't know webdev: If you're using AI to build something, tell it to keep things as close to vanilla as it can (at least until AGI takes over and we all become plumbers).

[@nickwoodward819]

LLMs aren't becoming agi

[@megasticky8968]

@@nickwoodward819 he did not say that but AGI will become true

[@aibiztoolz]

most of AI code builders or LLMs can fix any bugs dude

[@nickwoodward819]

@@megasticky8968 *citation needed. The current hyped about AGI is LLM based.

[@r34ct4]

​@@aibiztoolzyeah it's amazing how you see these comments that are already basically obsolete because the commenter is a few days behind on the tech. We're screwed

[@adamdrake39]

Its a fancy boilerplate generator. At the end of the day you will reach a point where you want to do something AI just won't understand. This stuff always seems to break down in the details. But it outputs code so at that point the devs can take over and make it a proper app.

[@r34ct4]

The first generation sets up a boilerplate, but you can iterate on it with prompts for very specific non-boilerplate features. Have you actually tried it yourself?

[@threeone6012]

AI inevitably gets into trouble. For that reason a person has to know how to code to produce the desired outcome. However, it's a pretty cool productivity tool.

[@HikaruAkitsuki]

That's why this AI code generators can not be used lightly by complete amateur. You must be at least CS student or IT student level to know how to use this tool. So basically it will gonna be a toy for an existing or newcomers in programming. But the threat is if a low level skill programming rely too much on this tool, they will never gain usable skill or can't even complete programming by themselves if the tool is gone.

[@r34ct4]

​@@HikaruAkitsukiI doubt the tools will disappear unless there's some sort of technology apocalypse and in that case we are all farming anyway

[@defdac]

As a professional programmer since 1999 one thing AI will definitely do is leave the sceptics in the dust wondering what the hell happened to their career. All the rest of us received the unlimited cheat code making us faster - not just production wise but the areas of how fast we learn, find bugs, refactor legacy systems, asking endless questions about the magic stuff we've always taken for granted. The learning and understanding of new and legacy code is exponential to say the least.

[@defdac]

The sceptics that lost their thirst and curiosity ages ago will cling to their old ways of working and meticulously non-IDE-crafted Lisp paranthesis-galore like a red stapler.

[@SV-tc8cu]

In 1900, it did not matter how amazing you were as blacksmith. All of them were made redundant.every single one.

[@defdac]

@@SV-tc8cu wizards still flourishing though!

[@o_glethorpe]

I hate the way tech chanels headlines this ai videos, making developers more anxious in exchange for a click bait. And now you are one of then.

[@Henrique01010]

oh we are cooked, baked, grilled even

[@neil0618]

One thing you need to custom and then the whole project starts getting messy 😂

[@WesBos]

Shhh that’s how we’re gonna make our money 😀

[@r34ct4]

Can you give an example? genuinely curious, because I've promoted pretty custom things, and this is the worst it's ever gonna be. ​@@WesBos

[@yutoriotsu8848]

It’s just generating customized boilerplate code through natural language, which doesn’t differentiate the product. The factor that distinguishes products doesn’t lie in boilerplate code.

[@r34ct4]

Can you give an example of a "factor"? Also, it's not just boilerplate.

[@darayve]

Hi awesome video! May I ask what font are you using for code on the browser? Like the font of your developer tools code

[@andrewmcbride88]

great vid man. thanks for sharing. these AI tools are going to enable a lot of people to do a lot of things. exciting.

[@sven-o]

Just another boilerplate tool, doesn't look interesting to me...

[@r34ct4]

This won't age well.

[@sven-o]

@learntoplumb I am actually securely employed for the next years per contract, but you do you

[@MrJfergs]

The idea that this is not going to impact the numbers of new hires in tech is naive.

[@ufufu001]

i'm trying so hard not to be a doomer but it's exhausting

[@mermaidcodes]

this is terrifying ! we are indeed cooked

[@Morgan_Davis]

AI is going to weed out the so-so coders who will move onto some other career. Decent developers are not threatened by this but recognize it as just another tool that makes you an even better programmer.

[@SV-tc8cu]

Economy of scale and progress made all blacksmiths obsolete, so so and good ones. Developers will go the same route very soon

[@StevenAkinyemi]

Lol. All devs going the same route.

[@Morgan_Davis]

I’m not surprised by these responses. I’ve been writing code since the early 80s and have not gotten swept into the web framework-du-jour mess because I keep up with the native platform capabilities (iow, “low level” coding, just like we have been doing since the 80s). That’s a huge advantage, and when you add AI tooling to that kind of background, then the few developers left will have some super powers. AI alone will not create applications for the future - it will merely augment and accelerate it. Devs will not go away.

[@jeffersonchukwuka7377]

V0 has a link at the top right which you copy and Install the project directly which also installs shadcn and all the deps 13:13

[@MasoodSadri]

Hi Wes. What's your opinion? Is there a chance that these stuff replace us as a developer?

[@rad2658]

If you're hobbyist then yes. If you're a professional developer who has worked in enterprise then you probably know the answer

[@FuturePulse_nl]

He sorta answered that at the end of the video.

[@ikusoru]

FUD master Wes Bos

[@MrCloudTel]

@Wes are you still releasing new courses ?

[@HikaruAkitsuki]

I gonna considered drag and drop and no code app builder is the real treath than AI code generator. Because ordinary people are still scared of the code. But in other part, it gonna produced more programmers and web developers than WordPress wannabes

[@joostschuur]

Seems kinda fishy

[@edenassos]

"Seems kinda fishy" the sort of comment someone makes when their brain is empty.

[@joostschuur]

@@edenassos Or when the desktop background in the video had fish in it.

[@asherdotjs]

So I should apply at McDonald's now

[@WesBos]

you want to be the dev who can use these tools. Imagine what you can make if the baseline is free + instant

[@trappedcat3615]

McDonald's is getting AI too. Cleaning toilets is where it's it. I used to do it full times. It's one of those jobs AI robots probably won't do. Too invasive. 😅

[@freeottis]

yes, we are getting replaced this time, surely

[@shadowcodr]

Yo literally can't download from Bolt and they force you to run it on their hosting. That's their whole business model. Only way to get it local is to copy and paste the contents of each file locally yourself and recreate all the files manually.

[@lih4553]

which llm model are they all running on?

[@pritamadakofficial]

Most of them are using Claude 3.5 latest

[@WesBos]

You can choose between several of the big ones. I used Claude here

[@mirjalol_shamsiddinov]

Wes Bos are you working on any course?

[@WesBos]

yes, very soon 👀

[@12pseudonym]

@@WesBoswhy?

[@katimaboy]

@@12pseudonym why not?

[@12pseudonym]

Why say we 'are we cooked', then make courses which will be redundant, as people can code in plain English.

[@someonewhowantedtobeahero3206]

It’s a very bad time to be studying CS. The brainless CEOs will see this and keep only the experienced devs. And then we will eventually run out of the experienced devs as they retire and there won't be anyone to take their place.

[@SV-tc8cu]

It is a progress, harsh reality is development is dying profession. Get out while you can retrain.

[@wrends]

it cannot solve real life problems!

[@edenassos]

It can solve more problems than you.

[@wrends]

@edenassos wrong

[@bluffcitytri]

Where do you get these sick backgrounds Wes?

[@WesBos]

Midjourney with the -tile flag. I have a little app on github called tile buddy that scales and tiles and then exports to png

[@Mylordkaz]

not really sure what is the target audience, no programmers ? not convince, programming it's not just line of code, still need to handle lot of things. or programmers ? well... I still like my job and writing code... this sound boring to me, having to use this kind of tools...

[@Gwin132]

Should i still learn how to code???... Wtf man

[@Snickerv12]

😂 it’s garbage

[@mirjalol_shamsiddinov]

Damn coding changes in future so much

[@pookiepats]

This is so misguided. Yea let’s pay Vercel to go hoist some boilerplate SaaS off github instead of just doing it ourselves lol “baseline changing” my arse. It isn’t creating anything new and if you lack the skills to git clone something and stand it up I hate to break it to ya but these tools do zero for you most of all.

[@WesBos]

Nah you are missing the entire point

[@pookiepats]

@ no offense but your opinion is compromised considering you sell courses to the ecosystem, in your world over hyped technologies are good for business.

[@edenassos]

You're definitely broke and it shows.

[@ikusoru]

​@@pookiepats 100%. People should be weary of the Web Dev influencers.