Cody Bellinger TRADED To The New York Yankees | 936

[@christianrestori1731]

“We used to call that depth” is an all time quote from Trevor😂😂

[@illmerica322]

This show really helps my baseball withdrawals thanks guys

[@timlett99]

I think that conversation towards the end about pitchers was very insightful. I was a pitcher for about 6 years when I was younger and ended up giving it up because I was 12 throwing as hard as I could on a consistent basis and still not meeting margins. Thankfully I found myself in a league that wasn’t super serious about travel ball and all that and focus more on just having fun and I’ll be honest that was the most fun in all the years of playing and I think we need to get back to that backyard kinda feel at least with kids. There’s absolutely no reason a 12 year old needs to be throwing upwards of 60, 70 mph consistently

[@j66gv]

Bellinger was like the Cubs 7th best position player. He was their highest paid player. He's also a lefty while PCA/Tucker/Busch are all lefties. He wasn't going to play and he didn't fit the roster. Nico was 2nd in NL in fWAR among 2B he's not moving anywhere. The Cubs freed up a ton of money to better optimize their roster.

[@emophase2224]

Finally another Cubs fan with more than 6 brain cells

[@SoloModelosComoBarea]

no fukk Sherlock you just discovered that teams have their own reasons to make trades. You should be working at NASA

[@AztecRay]

Dude had 2 cracked ribs. Former gold glove and mvp. So wtf you talking about

[@TheLastCol]

Tbf, there were talks about Nico getting traded. Now that Belli is gone though, that isn't happening. They should sign a starter and another high-leverage arm for the bullpen.

[@theStacyJames]

Yankees dodged a Soto bullet and got Belli. L.A fan here. You're gonna LOVE his outfield defense and his bat still has timely pop. Good for NYY

[@markbogle4784]

delusion

[@AbleAnderson]

I'm a lifelong Yankees fan and I'm 100% lukewarm on this pickup. He's just completely mediocre to me at this point. He hasn't been 2019 Bellinger in a long time, he's very average now

[@theStacyJames]

​​@@AbleAnderson I'll put it this way. He'll NEVER drop a routine fly ball. And he'll NEVER strike out for an entire playoff series. And he doesn't cost 678 million or whatever dollars.

[@samuelray5965]

As a cubs fan, Belli’s defense didn’t take much of any of a step back, he just got PCAed. Almost any outfielder looks sub par when compared to PCA. The kids defense is incredible.

[@13tsted]

Trevs comment about the numbers of pitchers per game is interesting. I've recently been watching Jimmy and Jake's watching baseball series where they watch from about the 7th inning on in a ws game and the amount of pitchers per inning is staggering. Once that starter came out they would use a guy per out

[@michaeldonovan802]

Florida State has become a lot more academically focused in recent years, and it’s actually a top 10 public university now. The irony is that they are also known as a big party school so they have had to raise academic requirements a lot because of how many people want to go there for the party scene. This is coming from an FSU graduate.

[@shaylarz]

Just here for the puppy

[@Zo3yX]

How long until we get a puppy episode, with noodle and palmer

[@suzannesmith5269]

Same. I’m audio only 99% of the time

[@shaylarz]

@@Zo3yX virtual playdate. I’m here for it.

[@daniboy262]

The injury analysis in this episode was TOP TOP TOP. More of this please!

[@wunnaflo8374]

I miss BBD’s cute face in the bottom corner 😭😭

[@pinverarity]

Was there an explanation?

[@theMLBfan]

​@@pinverarityNo explanation needed. It's a growing company and his producing experience was needed on some of their other shows. 🤷‍♂️

[@minutemenhunter]

i think 6 man rotations have to be the new norm and expand the rosters for and extra pitcher and an extra spot for either pitcher or position player

[@TheTEN24]

That sugano signing will be a good one. Insane he got less money than montas lol. Always enjoy the eps boys brings my mood up. The pitching convo is so true I remember in highschool they only took guys with arm talent compared to guys like myself who threw slower but controlled the strike zone more

[@caseyquinn9282]

Trevor, they sell a spray you can spray on your wires that makes them taste bad so your dog won’t chew on them.

[@samuelkirz]

Jake, I am looking for a new house in the spring. Can you come to Vancouver and help me isolate the ones to bid on? The market is very competitive here, I could use your expertise.

[@kenshiSR]

It’s Sugano, not Shugano fyi

[@ShrexyGuy]

My only lady dog was a mini pit named Roxy. She was Foxy. Miss my lil chonk ❤

[@mak10123]

Runs per game have stayed relatively constant even through the rule changes. Not as high as the steroid era but not much lower. Ks are going up but runs are still scoring. Why are we so convinced that this style of pitching is objectively more effective? The solution is in front of our faces. Organizations start paying for innings not Ks and velo/spin. The incentive for them is that there are more guys who can eat innings out there and stay healthy and it will still win you games. Then kids see that getting outs is how you get payed so they aren’t all trying to throw 100 when their bodies can’t. Let the guys who can do it do it while the others find their own way. Hard and wild vs soft and precise has always been a thing in baseball. Algorithms have completely deleted our peripheral understanding of the game and it’s limiting the type of talent we get to see.

[@acelm8437]

I was surprised to learn that Kershaw and Arrieta were regularly pitching 7+ innings even in the mid-2010s. And scoring was lower than it is now. The need for multiple relievers is completely offsetting any benefits of throwing harder.

[@richard_nj]

​@@acelm8437Yes, you still had starters going deep, but the early to mid 2010s is exactly the time when teams started accurately quantifying stuff and going out to look for it. Run scoring dropped to lower levels than even today because hitters needed time to adjust and less offense friendly rules and balls were in place. That's it.

[@richard_nj]

I think you're speaking some wisdom there at the end, but I'm not sure about a couple of your arguments... First of all scoring is indeed considerably lower than in the steroid era. At the height of it, teams scored 0.75 more R/G than they did in 2024. That's a lot in a sport where scoring hasn't deviated by more than about 1.1 in half a century. I'd give you that it hasn't plummeted to a ridiculously low level, but surely that's the result of all the other things going on at the Major League level in the last half decade+. You mentioned rule changes, and how R/G has remained kinda consistent through them. Correct me if I'm missing something here, but how can that indicate anything other than the pitching getting better? Because they've all been Offense friendly, from bigger bases to the pitch clock to the sticky stuff ban. And then there are other developments that also helped scoring remain at a higher level. It's not a secret that the balls started getting juiced in the late 2010s, when they dialed that back by a lot in the first half of 2022, Offense was non-existent compared to the 2019 peak. Something that's not often mentioned in this context: the strike zone is getting called more accurately than ever before, which hurts pitching, it used to be bigger, especially on the outside corner, making it tougher to nibble with mediocre stuff today. And lastly, analytics, biomechanics etc. of course also help the hitters. They have more optimized swings and more knowledge of tendencies and pitch shapes and what the strategically optimal goal for the AB should be and all the rest of it. They're overall better equipped to do their job. With all of this in mind, I don't see how it wouldn't be clear that this current style of pitching is more effective. It just has to be.

[@mak10123]

@ more effective at what though? Striking guys out or preventing runs? Cause homers are up and while that .75 looks nice this year last year it was half that difference and we’re talking about juiced balls steroid era. I get that the rules help the offense but is it that much of an impact when teams haven’t built to abuse the rules yet? We still got three outcomes kings and teams haven’t seen the impact of stolen bases as something worth investing in…somehow. These pitchers are (exaggerating) pitching in a close your eyes and swing for the fences era and they are just tryna juice it in there faster than the swing. I hear you on all the metrics and numbers helping hitters. They help pitchers too. And humans learn. But only if we let them. The numbers say it’s not statistically worth it to let a guy go a third time through the lineup. But how do those numbers factor in the way the guy is hurling that day or how the swings look? Or how much pressure less than 6 innings puts on the rest of your staff over 162? The numbers are lost tryna quantify things that are too riddled with human elements. It’s clear to see as well. And I’m not saying pitchers aren’t insane now. They are. 105 is a real number we might see any given night. But is that the right kinda insane that we need to win baseball games? Or is it just statistically the most safe and projectable with our scary new tech era?

[@richard_nj]

@mak10123 More effective at run prevention. That's all I've talked about in my first reply to you. Again, they just have to be or else teams would be scoring a lot more. Homers are up because hitters are more actively trying to hit them because that's the best way to score runs against pitching that's not gonna allow you to string hits together often. And no, the difference was not half that in 2023, but yeah, scoring jumped up a good bit. Bigger bases, disengagement limit, shift ban, pitch clock and, less impactful, but still something pitchers had to come to grips with, pitch com were all introduced that year. Pitching and defense needed one year to adjust and then scoring went right back down to the level it was before the changes. And we're talking about modern offenses that are way more optimized than in the steroid era. I also don't see any merit in arguing that the rules haven't helped offense that much. Stolen Bases went up by 40+% and the success rate is higher than at any point in MLB history since CS was kept as a stat. That's significant, don't you think? And in response to the last few things you brought up: I'm not making the point that the numbers alone should dictate every situation, and in fact, that's not what's happening, or that all potential knowledge has been gathered and this style of pitching is absolutely optimal and that nothing else could come close. I'm saying that this style of pitching is better at run prevention than what was happening before and that we know that it is.

[@asdfaeou]

Love the analysis of the analysis. Always fun.

[@ibekingape]

I'm curious if that pitching I jury story touches on foreign leagues like the one in Japan and Korea. I've tried to read up on these and so far it seems their training is more constant and intense but i haven't found a decent report comparing the injuries

[@BigC_4K2424]

Almost had Jake spitting out the coffee 🤣 dynamic duo

[@mikemcavoy7097]

The players union could maybe argue a mandatory day after two consecutive days of usage. I think expanding rosters so every bullpen can have an "innings eater" makes sense too.

[@Zo3yX]

23:57 no no no trev Who is playing first.

[@CRM1299]

Velo is everything man. I played D1, lefty pitcher. Sat upper 8s got into low 90s. Never had a chance at a deep pro ball run and I knew it from the start. Velo velo velo. And honestly I get it, it makes hitting that much harder and those guys are just better

[@tinkutocqueville]

kyle hendricks. he's fallen off the last few years, but he had a heck of a career throwing those speeds but with command and finesse.

[@CRM1299]

@ yeah true, but he was such an outlier. Command was insane. He probably was the last of the Greg Maddux types we’ll ever see imo

[@tinkutocqueville]

@@CRM1299 possibly, sadly. i hope he finds some vintage form with the Angels. it was a treat to watch him in Chicago, though.

[@AbleAnderson]

If baseball implemented a velo cap of 90 to spare more elite arms of injury, could you have made it in that hypothetical world?

[@CRM1299]

@ hahah maybe hypothetically. But competition would still be very stiff

[@munki1228]

Idk if they even read comments but 3 solutions. They’re not great but it’s a start (i think, correct me if I’m wrong): First & foremost is mandate guaranteed contracts for relievers BEFORE spring training. Eliminates performing to get a spot Second would be a max velo. If you go over a certain velo, automatic ball (not a great solution but again just a solution nonetheless) Expanding rosters is great but then the competition would just be for the newly added roster spots anyways.

[@kickpuncher1892]

I didnt realize this was a talkin yanks episode.

[@ayydubs987]

jake doesn’t have enough outlets to talk yanks apparently

[@wylelias]

As a cubs fan, I'm excited for Shaw to come up. Bringing in 3B, means Nico may be gone possibly.

[@yetigonecrazy]

Where BBD?

[@bigpictureguys8415]

Owls without feathers are horrifying aliens

[@theinternkevin]

This may be the weed talking but my favorite bird of prey is actually a bird of paradise plant

[@ellazarren3514]

I expected nothing less than Trevor having an incredibly beautiful puppy

[@wp689]

One of my favorite episodes all year.

[@JTBun]

Y’all should have on Eric Cressey, Director of Player Health and Peformance for the Yankees, to talk about pitchers. He does podcasts frequently

[@DannyCastroo]

the bots beat me

[@joetoscano6376]

“Welcome to Talkin’ Owl”

[@AbleAnderson]

As a Yankees fan, am I supposed to be excited about the pure mediocrity that is gonna come with Bellinger? People are acting like we just got Soto part 2 or something. Bellinger is a totally average player

[@sonnymarsh2260]

Nolan Arenado is one of my favorite players in the league. It’s a shame he isn’t staying with the Cardinals. As an STL fan, not happy to see him leave. Wish they’d mend things and not part ways. Arenado is one of the best to do it at third base.

[@kingave9721]

lol no matter how we slice it up we would take Soto back instantly if we could

[@christopherclayton7345]

I never thought I'd hear an Ernest Hemingway-Old Man and the Sea reference out of Jake, I wonder if he knew it was an Ernest Hemingway reference 🤣🤣

[@herbpalindrome]

Jed Hoyer's first move as president was to non-tender Kyle Schwarber. His biggest move has been to go after a manager. This is all on brand for the Jed Hoyer era.

[@rexter_6106]

That puppy is adorable

[@Matt-mc1rp]

As a Cubs fan, reallocating the money to bullpen arms would be great but the lineup needs homers. Like Alonso at first and dropping 40 bombs would be huge.

[@jeffrubalcava1633]

Heck yeah shouting out Coopet Kupp! Go Rams!

[@veritasinvicta8128]

Why isn't Jazz moving to second? That's so obvious. We were talking Jazz as Gleyber's replacement at the end of the season.

[@jamesvecchio5918]

Go the opposite direction of Trev, make it much harder to do transactions and have less pitchers + if you go on the IL, you're out a mandatory 50+ days. This would change team incentive to always be max effort from the team perspective, and they'd encourage pitchers to not always be max effort

[@jamesvecchio5918]

You could also do something like a 3rd roster beyond the 26 man roster and the 40 man roster, designate "X" (say 30 total) amount of pitchers, preseason, who are MLB eligible. Anyone who isn't on this preseason list cannot play on a big league roster, period. Teams will need to get their higher level pitchers to learn how to pitch beyond max effort.

[@Toneloc1818]

Cody's dad used to play for the Yankees. Cody's wife used to play with the current Yankee Giancarlo.

[@leam89]

Oh snap I didn't know that. Awkward

[@rickygrandmeister]

Pitcher gonna have to do low and medium before spring training

[@jarodrodriguez1192]

Came from the podcast app just to see Palmer Plouffe

[@ayydubs987]

does BBD not produce talkin' baseball anymore??

[@gadiordonez8802]

Me favorite type of bird is the good ole hawk tuah

[@andrekhudagulian4827]

Why not just shorten the season?

[@JackGeezy]

Yankees trying to be like Dodgers 😂😂

[@trumanquinn]

Yankee fans going through the stages of grief is exhausting.

[@sclafantasy]

At first I thought the Cubs were crazy because they are clearly a win now team after the Tucker trade. But then when I looked into it I realized that Bellinger is just not a very good player for 25 mil a season. I'm not really sure what Cashman is doing honestly. It just seems like a desperate move after missing out on Soto and Tucker.

[@tinkutocqueville]

agree, but Belli will hit way more homers at Yankee Stadium cuz it's shorter down the lines and he's a pull hitter (based on baseballsavant he would've had 24 HRs last year in the Bronx vs 18 at Wrigley), and his valuable outfield defense is desperately needed on the Yanks, meanwhile it's mostly wasted on the Cubs. good deal for both teams, imo.

[@reno-san87]

Yankees fans thinking they got the 2019 version Bellinger 🤣 all of sudden the sense of urgency to build a roster like LA who's notoriously known for their versatile rosters 😆🍿 this will be fun to watch lol

[@Austin-Rader]

Palmer Plouffe needs to be a podcast regular

[@mikezenzola2514]

The Cards would want our entire farm system for Arenado 😂 they're not gonna be Lou Brocked

[@JeremyTyson62]

I feel like a Cubs trade for Alec Bohm would be huge.

[@vinhole7547]

I don’t get this narrative people are pushing. I get Bellinger is a good player, I have his jersey. But we had players that play his positions that played better. If he does good on the Yankees, great but we dont have room for him on the Cubs. Only way this trade is bad is if we don’t use the money

[@8bitdee]

The injuries will never stop being a problem because pitchers don’t give a fck about their arms. How many times have you brought up on this same podcast about how whenever you ask a pitcher if they’d rather have a ring and miss a year off due to injury or be healthy all year but have no ring, and how 9 out of 10 would rather destroy their arm as long as they get that ring. Healthcare starts with oneself. You can blame teams for choosing the players who give 150% instead of 100%, but if players didn’t comply to that to begin with then teams would start to change their strategy. Its how unions work, you go on strike if there’s a company wide safety problem no one is addressing so you stop working until they’re come to the table, address it and put forward a solution. If pitchers don’t go on “strike” and continue to just accept that they gotta throw harder and faster then the teams are never going to change their strategy because they’ll say “throw faster and you’re on the team. On you won’t? Then you’re not on the team because someone else will.” But if EVERYONE refuses, then the teams will start to say “oh, NOBODY wants to throw faster and harder. Shit, we gotta do something”. The players have more power than they think but they won’t exercise it because as we’ve come to learn: they don’t give a fck about it, they just want the ring.

[@azgazr8]

38:07 rad

[@connor4778]

Palmer is unbelievably adorable

[@HarryDanglers2000]

Get in my beli!!

[@SO-if3yn]

Owls kill many cats, and small dogs. People think they’re pets got loose and ran away. Nah. My GF had a mini chihuahua, she put in the the back yard, never saw it again. 🦉

[@pinverarity]

Dinos represent: owls just getting some feline payback for all the birds.

[@SO-if3yn]

@@pinverarityayooooo!🦉

[@PLab8]

So dumb we don’t put judge at first now. Just ridiculous why not it’s not like he is Roberto Clemente

[@Fellasco]

Good pick up for the yanks

[@notthatoriginal6914]

Pete Alonso is a cub for sure

[@acelm8437]

He is called Polar Bear after all

[@theMLBfan]

Skankees are so damn lucky that all the other AL team owners decided to take a dump on the 2025 season.

[@leam89]

Totally. They almost win by default. The only exception might be the Red Sox

[@alexjung9724]

Wait til roki goes to cleveland

[@alkaline3254]

Yea he’s a fit until he starts striking out and then you guys want him out of town 😅

[@braxtonvolk8934]

The Cubs have 8 right handed pitchers. 0 left handers

[@braxtonvolk8934]

*bullpen

[@duality4739]

Centerfield is easier than left field

[@javiersegarra2525]

Yanks should get Yandy at 1B and leadoff man, followed by Ketel Marte at 2B

[@elliottmorales6675]

That would be amazing, but how??

[@javiersegarra2525]

@ for Yandy i think they could give Stro (to dump the money), Rice and another kid. For Marte probably big package including Jones, maybe Schmidt, and one or two from Vivas/Lombard/Peraza.

[@zachdunham5893]

Cubs fans in the comment section acting like they have the slightest chance of making the playoffs is hilarious.

[@tinkutocqueville]

is that why the cubs are -105 to win their division and the next closest team is +260? meanwhile yanks, yeesh, they're gonna finish third in their own division with that dumpster fire 😬

[@monicawhitm9335]

Yanks are going to Boo Belli out of that option year. Won’t end well

[@gabrielestrada258]

Yankees are gonna play belli at 1st and resign verdugo for LF. Get a 3b

[@Damianosiris3]

Trevor playboi carti pleuff

[@davidlawlor1583]

Does everyone think that DJ LeMaheiu is simply a lost cause?

[@enri9066]

Mike trout go to Houston

[@nicholasbusch113]

Did Jake really go see the rockeets wtf is wrong with that boy

[@tdog1019]

owl

[@AnimeBronx]

😂😂😂 at Trevor Plouffe. Stop with Bellinger is underrated crap. Dude is a 2 WAR player.

[@caseybennett6601]

Casual

[@gorash100]

yankee fans pretending Bellinger makes them a thing ..the line-up still stinks

[@cparty247365]

If this is the end of thier moves your correct but if they get a 1st base and 2nd baseman they will be better than last year.

[@thebronxbambino2]

Ya sound dumb if that’s your takeaway 😂

[@gorash100]

@@thebronxbambino2 yup that's my take away ... Jazz Chisholm, 2B--lol Aaron Judge, RF-HOF 'mer Cody Bellinger, CF- whatever Giancarlo Stanton, DH--? maybe if healthy Jasson Dominguez, LF ? who knows Austin Wells, C-lol Anthony Volpe, SS-lol DJ LeMahieu, 1B-lol Oswaldo Cabrera/Oswald Peraza, 3B-lol

[@thebronxbambino2]

@@gorash100 cool, do their rotation and bullpen next. Also the point of the video (and what obviously going on) is that they clearly aren’t done and more moves are going to be made. If you think the message or perception of the fan base is “yup we got belly so now all is right” then you’re clearly delusional.

[@gorash100]

@@thebronxbambino2 that's a lot of fixing to do

[@Chris_Simonton]

Go yanks!

[@Christian-m1y1y]

can we quit bringing up Bregman to the yanks

[@mannydelacruz1839]

Carlos Santana to the yanks anyone?

[@johnbrondo22]

Kinda want Walker more but definitely Walker or Santana over Alonso or Goldshit please

[@Christian-m1y1y]

He’s 39 years old. Way too many first baseman on the market to settle for Carlos Santana lmao

[@mannydelacruz1839]

@@Christian-m1y1y age doesnt really matter right now when you’re talking about 6m a year for a gold glove switch hitter with 25 homers😂

[@johnbrondo22]

@@mannydelacruz1839 exactly

[@Christian-m1y1y]

@ he hasn’t been good in 5 years good thing you’re not the Gm

[@Toneloc1818]

Go dodgers.

[@AnimeBronx]

😂😂😂 at Trevor Ploof. Stop with Bellinger is underrated crap. Dude is a 2 WAR player.

[@hustlecrowe9440]

and he was 4.5 WAR two years ago when the Cubs actually had a good offense, plus he only played 48 games at CF last season. stop embarrassing yourself in a comments section that actually knows baseball.

[@Victor-hc2dl]

As a Nole, we do not claim ourselves as ASU cousins nor do we want their rep. We have a party rep that is unmatched. 🫡🫡

[@tinkutocqueville]

talla-nasty 🥴