Coffee & Books Ep.5 | "White Fragility" by Robin DiAngelo

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@mitochondria558 5 ай бұрын

Well I feel vindicated over the arguments I've had about this book being problematic because a white person is making money. I don't think some people understand that some white people truly need another white person to hold their hand and tell them they're not a bad person, to get through that initial barrier of "I'M NOT RACIST because racists are bad people and I CANNOT CONSIDER that I might be a bad person!!" this book breaks down the difference between being indoctrinated with white supremacy and being a bad person. This book gets a foot in the door. This book breaks the ice. This book plans a seed. Once they get past that fear, many white allies will go on to buy dozens of books by Black authors. I believe this book is an extremely helpful stepping stone.

@imnotracistbut-9559 4 ай бұрын

Amen bruther

@AColler-d5m 5 ай бұрын

This is the first Coffee & Books episode I've clicked on; the book has been on my radar for some time yet I haven't got round to reading it. I find Robin's interviews enormously edifying. Bless her for continuing to fight the good fight, and thank you Marc for arranging this thought-provoking conversation.

@BettBeat_Media 5 ай бұрын

Brilliant! I should have never listened to all these commentators who said that her book was surface level, postmodern liberal anti-racism. Everything she says is spot on.

@imnotracistbut-9559 4 ай бұрын

Is it tho? She couldn’t explain it or even make a conceptual case on her own area of expertise and she literally wrote the book on it. You wanna take a crack at making it sense?

@NylondaJazzSharnese 5 ай бұрын

Even though crimes against black people might not be getting higher, the perpetrators are still not being prosecuted and when it comes to racism against black people, we are still operating in a pre-civil rights era

@imnotracistbut-9559 4 ай бұрын

You’re saying there’s open, blatant slavery that’s not only happening right now, in 2024 but it’s allowed and no one is causing a fuss or trying to bring it to the forefront? You have an incredible imagination but not in a good way

@ItsOgre 5 ай бұрын

I think as someone coming from a Marxist perspective, I’ve heard the overly simplistic explanation of D’Angelo’s book as liberal corporate friendly anti-racism. Which is basically how it’s often being used, BUT there is absolutely stuff that white Marxists and socialists COULD use from this book and the framework provided to be better people and better organizers, as well as learning from people like Fanon and Sakai.

@reddy11-11 5 ай бұрын

Agreed. I almost fell for it too. Partly, because of my own frustration with the lack of awareness the role class plays in our oppression. So I almost became reactionary and joined the rejection of all things racial crew. But it seemed to deny a great portion of my reality. I’m glad MLH did this interview. Everything doesn’t have to be “either”, “or”. It can be “both”. The principle of “balance” has been my lesson of this year so far- a balance life, a balanced diet, balanced emotion, and a balanced perspective etc., appreciate you raising that point

@rhymeminded 5 ай бұрын

I recall how unwell received this book was pre pandemic. Last week I made the mistake of conversing with a coworker about my stance on reperations 🙄. ‘They’ refuse to acknowledge the depth of racism and its modern day impact on ADOS and feels like the idea of us getting xyz equates to them loosing xyz. Its so sad how constrained our universal consciousness is I sometimes wonder if the perpetual projection of their insecurities proves genetic manipulation 🤷🏾‍♂️

@battlecat3792 5 ай бұрын

Good point!!!

@onceagain6184 5 ай бұрын

Blah blah blah!

@brucehicks5817 5 ай бұрын

I messed up and spoke to a close friend about reparations. That person is no longer a close friend after responding with "but my tax dollars would go to that and it's not fair because 'I'm an American." Had the audacity to look at me surprised when I said "so are we."

@battlecat3792 5 ай бұрын

@@brucehicks5817 Wow and good move. They don't belong in your life

@rhymeminded 5 ай бұрын

@@brucehicks5817 That’s the perplexing part for me which conflicts with my PoM contrasted with my lived experience. Its as if they’re all victims of psychological munchousers syndrome by proxy being born into uncle Sam’s systemic participation trophy policies practices and procedure’s they never asked for and having to carry that burden of guilt. The irony is their inheritted privilege actually weakens them while strengthening us. Objectively I can see why hearing our stories triggers their internalized inferiority, especially when they’re lived experiences mirror ours (poor).

@juls_krsslr7908 5 ай бұрын

Thanks so much for this interview! I'm a white person and this book completely changed my perspective on life. It's extremely frustrating that so many people claim Robin DiAngelo is promoting the white, liberal "ally" that she's criticizing. I don't think they've read the book. Or they didn't understand it. Honestly, I think a lot of people - particularly white people - just want an excuse to dismiss what she's saying because they don't like it. I think a lot of white people live in fear of being called out for racism (or misogyny, homophobia, etc). I wish more of these people would read and understand this book because, if you understand and accept it, that fear is gone. It's a huge _relief_ to understand that I am racist and, if someone points that out to me, that's a good thing because then I know what I need to change. I see white people taking defensive stances that lead to the exact opposite of what they want. And, like she said, lead to losing the possibility of connection with other people.

@imnotracistbut-9559 4 ай бұрын

You just wrote out all that just to say that you’re racist… Someday you’ll hopefully understand just how insane and cringey that is

@wandachatman1658 5 ай бұрын

Absolutely brilliant interview ‼️‼️🤎🤎🤎🤎

@Yaya-nv3hb 5 ай бұрын

I love to read as well and I read Robin’s book years ago, when it was published and I have enjoyed real conversations about the content of this book! Excellent and great read!