COFFEE OPINION - The Americano Must Be Stopped

There are a ton of espresso based drinks, and as much as baristas want to wax poetic about their differences, the truth is they really aren't that different. They are made of up espresso, and one of two other options; milk or water. In today's opinion piece I talk about why the Americano and the Long Black should be interchangeable regardless of their preparation as they make the same exact drink.
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[@daRock1212]

I'm shocked that coffee nerds can be so pedantic. But I do prefer my Americanos pressure profiled and my long blacks flow controlled

[@Sprometheus]

Haha this ^^^^

[@MrHarlequin2316]

😂

[@tezzanewton]

Mate I’m also a watch collector, you should see how watch snobs carry on. My guess is that it’s just human nature.

[@d12edline]

could not agreed more! this should be the main recipe

[@dudeknee1987]

As a black man, I can’t help but giggle when I hear “long black”.

[@ecirtta]

Lol

[@stirfryjedi]

I was very reassured when he said that size is a matter of preference (1:41)

[@Sprometheus]

@@stirfryjedi part of me wanted to address that innuendo in the video, but I decided against for a reason I don’t remember haha.

[@garyangelo9952]

I love coffee nerds (and am one), but the "water or coffee first" question is another debate (like whether a donut shaped extraction is bad, or which direction to puck rake) that occurs when people are too far down the rabbit hole. A simple blind taste test would settle the matter by showing nobody can reliably tell the difference.

[@Sprometheus]

Yes, Gary gets it. Be more like Gary.

[@haaduria32]

Water first so youll get a nice crema layer. Then I could tell the difference ;) +this way is seems nicer for customers instead of a broken crema layer imo

[@chadgregory9037]

@@haaduria32 presentation is half the battle!!!

[@BenSterz]

Let‘s just make it a deep purple song and call it „Spro on the Water“

[@Sprometheus]

This I can get behind!

[@victorceicys7140]

Shakespeare centuries ago said it all......"Much Ado About Nothing".....and "As You Like It." Thanks for a short amusing video. A final thought, the issue is actually resolved with but a mere stir of the spoon, and even with "Big Daddy Hoff's" spoon. Catch you on the flip side.

[@Sprometheus]

Haha thank you for the great comment Victor! Cheers!

[@endoalley680]

“A rose by any other name smells the same”

[@OdPlomp89]

Here in Australia I was taught a little differently on how to do a long black. Instead of an espresso you have a ristretto. You loose the intensity you get from the ristretto and gain more texture. But all up to the individual

[@dhmacdonald8605]

For me, it's about taste/strength of the coffee and the size of drink I want to make. In the morning, with breakfast, I like a bigger drink that will last me the length of whatever I'm eating, so I will pull 36g of espresso (from 18g of coffee) onto about 185ml water. In the afternoon, I'm usually interested in something quicker and stronger-tasting, so I do the same with 115ml water. To each their own, of course, but I really love how crema looks when the shot goes on top of the water. It's part of what makes the espresso ritual so satisfying for me, so I always pour water first.

[@InnuendoXP]

As someone who'd infinitely rather just sip espresso alongside a tall glass of water for refreshment, I'd call both variants of that vile drink a Diluito.

[@jeremystone3186]

Testify!

[@Sprometheus]

Oh hi 👋🏻 welcome to my comment section. I feel like I should clarify a couple points made in this video. To start, I should say it’s slightly tongue in cheek, hence the title and the thumbnail. It’s not an anti-Americano video, and I’m not saying one is better than the other, quite the contrary actually. What I am trying to get across is the way we could endlessly argue these minimal differences in many coffee drinks, but the Americano and the Long Black seemed like the best way to illustrate that point because of how similar they are. TL;DR In the end it doesn’t matter what you call it, or how you make it, as long as you enjoy it.

[@Fuuntag]

Trust me if none of this was obvious to someone in the first place they’re the type of person who has already moved onto the next thing to misunderstand & get upset about. 🙃 And the only thing that’s right is what tastes right for you.

[@davidfuller581]

See, I _do_ think the Americano should be stopped, because even under the best of circumstances it has all the texture of bad drip coffee.

[@icedcoffeeplay4722]

Thats the risk of clickbait. Not everyone will invest time to watch entire video or read your description. You get traction to your video, but it risks getting commented (or disliked) by people that get triggered from the title. Tbh I do think your video will be anti Americano, thankfully I check your description and pinned comment first LMAO. All in all I agree with your opinion though as its also confused me af why both Americano and Long Black so similar. But, its like debating soccer vs football. Its all depends on the culture where that drink popular in. Keep making video bro, its so nice to watch. Hope your channel will be even bigger and spreading more coffee knowledge. Bless you.

[@AdastraRecordings]

The clickbait title worked! Call it whatever you want, as long as it's tasty. Gonna start calling mine a long blabla.

[@jcmad5]

This is wide problem when it comes to coffee conversations online . They're people that think their opinions about making a coffee drink is the only right way. I'll have my Americano my way and you can have it your way, all that matters is we both personally enjoy our drinks. They are guidelines when making coffee but not hard rules. Just enjoy what you enjoy.

[@Sprometheus]

Well said! And that’s kind of the take of this one for sure.

[@dcaxeslinger]

I drink a couple of americanos/long blacks every day. I pour the water and then dump the shot on top of the water. I like having a little crema for the first sip or two and I like the presentation for when I make it for my friends/family. 6oz of water and 2oz of espresso (double shot) is the perfect ratio for my taste.

[@sgdan]

Everyday I fill a glass to the top with ice pour in two double shots and fill the cup to top with a little water. In a 16oz glass. What do we call that?

[@macmutant]

I love this! Never heard of a long black until recently, though I've been drinking Americanos for most of my life. Long black is such a cool name for a drink, and I do like the idea of keeping the crema intact. Of course, I put a little steamed milk on top, so perhaps that makes me a heathen of sorts.

[@unol]

I'm currently loving equal parts espresso to cold water. Works great with light filter roasts by lowering tds and temperature (though texture takes a hit). Well worth a try.

[@mikelbrenn111]

How about adding coffee and water at the same time?

[@nickr9784]

Name of glass used in video?

[@cameronyartz1424]

If various milk drinks can be called different names based on the amount of milk, we should have espresso + water drinks named differently based on size/strength.

[@TheErazar]

Agreed, those mild drink names get ridiculous really fast.

[@fray2748]

I make mine with 180 ml's of water first, then a double shot brewed directly on top. Gives me the strength I want from this type of drink, with the great notes from my espresso still shining through. Also, the combination of a bottomless portafilter, and the espresso slowly dripping through the water and adding crema, looks super cool!

[@dominicusdimitri6270]

The one reason i like to put my water filled cup under espresso machine is, an intact crema and that creamyness from it. Tastewise it's the same for me 🙄

[@AZNGRINGO84]

What brand cup is that?

[@wakeawaken430]

In my country(Greece) Americano coffee is totally unknown We basically drink espresso, cappuccino, filter coffee, Greek/Turkish coffee, and thank God, only few still drink instant coffee🤮 BUT, I tried to make a Americano with 2 parts of hot water and 1 part of espresso and I really liked it, much more body than filter coffee, clear taste and sweet finish I offer this to friends that don't support espresso

[@thebitterfig9903]

Hadn’t heard of the term “long black” until fairly recently. I’ve got too many happy memories of ordering Americanos. Iced Americano was my go-to drink for ages at (chain name redacted), or local shops. Usually I’d order “extra cold.” Some of that, however, was that it was typically cheap. Iced latte? 4.50. Iced americano? 3.00, but I had to add the cream myself from the pitcher.

[@javiermendez750]

Hi what cups are those? Kinto?

[@donh1572]

I love how the third wave crowd continuously debates how different espresso based drinks are made. Yet in Italy (where most espresso drinks originated) the baristas are mostly in agreement in what each drink consists of.

[@sebaba001]

Well it's easier for 1 country to agree than the entire world.

[@donh1572]

@@sebaba001 or maybe the rest of the world got it wrong by being exposed to Starbucks!

[@sebaba001]

@@donh1572 Hmmm i disagree, Italians invented espresso but not a lot of espresso based milks like cappuccino or frappes

[@donh1572]

@@sebaba001 everyone from Italy knows the monks were Paisans from Napolitano!

[@queenchiomaofficial]

We used to have a cafe-restaurant, a few years ago, brings back so many memories, I enjoyed making so many black and white coffee drinks. Definitely prefer it as an Americano, I’ve actually never heard of long black until today lol.

[@sukianata]

This would be a disaster... I mean most people came to the shop I'm working in for just Americanos.🤣🤣

[@LittleImpaler]

I got my moka pot yesterday. I made my dad some coffee. It was intense and strong, but good smooth taste. Not bitter. He made himself a Americano, because he doesn't like coffee that strong. He added hot water. He loved it.

[@Regodian]

2 years ago we served americano with water first (ussually from kettle) and espresso on top. but now, i use manual brew for those kind of order, mostly V60

[@Sprometheus]

When I worked in a cafe we used water first too. It just made sense for workflow, and no one seemed bothered.

[@heres_the_sauce]

I thought a long black was running more water through the puck?

[@JimNortonsAlcoholism]

Americano - because I add hot water after the espresso has been pulled like a normal person. Also great at saving a less than ideal pull.

[@rdalmasso7326]

I need some help/advice, I can’t really find the recipe for an iced latte. Do someone who works in a cafe or knows about it tell me how much milk for a 40g (1:2 ratio) espresso ? Also is there any difference between iced latte and iced cappuccino? I’ve seen some shops offering both but I do not understand.. maybe the amount of milk changes

[@felicityfoo6240]

Honestly, do whatever you think tastes best. For a 40g shot, it would probably be around 150ml milk and 100g ice. I'd recommend adding as much ice as possible if you'll be drinking your iced latte over a long period of time since the less temperature difference between the ice and the coffee, the slower it melts, which means your drink gets diluted less. However, do it the way you like it. I'm a barista who orders iced lattes with less ice sometimes. It really just depends. As for the difference between lattes and cappuccinos, it's the amount of foam. Lattes have less, cappuccinos have more

[@Fuuntag]

I think there might be two conversations to be had. Is there a “correct” way to make a Long Black and also where does it “fit”, what does a LB offer when compared to other similar style coffees? Then again maybe it’s just a cup of coffee with hot water nuff said 😂. For better or worse this was my entry point into serious coffee, I wonder what my tastes would be if my entry had been a pour-over etc.

[@greysuit17]

At the cafe I worked at we just added espresso to a coffee mug then added hot water and everyone that ordered it called it an Americano.

[@LadyTigerLily]

I tend to like the shorter form long blacks, since there's only so much water I personally find worthwhile before it overwhelms the espresso rather than just "opening it up". I often tell my trainees who are just learning to taste espresso to add a bit of water to the 'spro if they're having trouble parsing what they're tasting due to the intense nature of espresso, compared to filter coffee.

[@NibbleSnarph]

I had no idea this was a debate lol, they have been synonymous to me, and I only changed what I called them based off where I was in the world. I love my watery espresso. I like water first and maybe there's a debate there, but same drink I think, just preference in what you want to bring out, I feel water first retains some of the brighter/acidic notes. To each their own.

[@MrAsimomytis]

I pull boiling water from my HX Bezzera into a clean milk jug before grinding the beans (so that it cools down a bit). I grind the beans, pull the espresso, and finally, carefully, without destroying the crema I add water into the espresso. Depending on the mood or the coffee I add more or less water. An Ethiopia is lighter so I add less water, my favorite blends are longer. It is usually my 11 o clock coffee or/and my evening coffee, with my first coffee on the day being a cappuccino (not a latte). A proper Americano , is water first, but to me, it tastes sour (er). Greetings from Athens, Greece!

[@timgerber5563]

Up front: I don‘t fancy americanos or long blacks much at all. I much rather just brew a filter coffee instead. But that aside: I always thought a long black is a longer espresso (lungo shot) or the american name for café crème while americano to me is a double shot of espresso with hot water. The question of water first or last, I believe, is just personal preference. Some people like crema, others argue against crema, because to them it is bitter and thus water last makes more sense for them.

[@samray3461]

Eclipse in San Antonio made me a tall black - 50/50 - espresso/water and turned me onto the concept completely. The experience is still that of an espresso - still silky but it's more drinkable. Worth a try.

[@Sprometheus]

Yeah I’ve even seen people call that a Lungo, but whatever it’s called if it tastes good than it’s all good!

[@samray3461]

@@Sprometheus As long as it tastes great!

[@julianmars7052]

I prefer my lungo/americano with mountain spring water, I add 160.98 ml of it, but not before serenading it with opera italiana the night before ( if you do it at 9pm it makes a difference). I drop 2 drops of espresso at the bottom of the cup 1st, then the serenaded mountain spring water, then the rest of the espresso on top while swirling my hand and presto! That's how a true Connoisseur does it!

[@Assenayo]

I always heard Americano was an espresso shot while some say long black is a double shot or even a double ristoretto which I have never seen a cafe dose 30g of coffee

[@KnightetOfCydonia]

Truthfully never thought about it. Here in the UK it's just always called an Americano. I think I like long black now you've bought it up

[@mickreynolds3065]

Hey Spro! I drink an Americano on the way to work out on the mornings I work out, as it keeps me from vomiting up milk at my gym, and my process is followed thusly: Pull a double into a small espresso measuring cup, and pour it into a preheated 8 oz insulated travel vessel. Top it off with 130 degree tap water, using the first bit to rinse the measuring cup into my travel vessel, and enjoy. My go-to drink on days I don't work out is a cappuccino, where I pull the shots into a cappuccino cup, then add nicely steamed/foamed milk/cream/eggnog depending on my preference, creating lovely latte art (is it cappuccino art in this instance?) in the process. The key takeaway phrase in this entire comment is "depending on my preference." Enjoy!

[@ezequielgimenez6603]

i work as barista in Mar del Plata, Argentina.. i used to serve Americano with 1espresso and and separate water in a jug (so, first espresso).. and Long black, first water and then 2 shots.. just to make difference beetwen them..

[@petercross3356]

Why cancel the Americano, I love it, it is not as complicated as spending so much time making a perfect espresso just for the sake telling it to prople.

[@KeithJCarberry1]

I do coffee first then water so i can stop adding water when it tastes best

[@audriusa7005]

Oh man, I've bought semi-automatic machine in july, and only then I've found out how precise it has to be, how many variables there are, then i saw that people are making their own water, there were nights when i couldnt sleep thinking I ve got myself way over my head, i just wanted nice coffee, and I always thought that long black is espresso lungo, lol but nope, same drink is named twice, how fitting haha

[@Pearl3Drummer]

Is a bad espresso still a good Americano?

[@orangeapple681]

I go for a shot in a cup of fench pressed coffee. A 'back in black' if you will. Aka the red eye.

[@KenBruce1]

Tbh if I wanted a watered down espresso I feel like I'd opt for a non-traditionally long shot length. Otherwise I'm going for the milk/milk alternative every time.

[@Sprometheus]

I’m with you on that, I’ve had only a handful of taste espresso & water drinks over the years.

[@JimNortonsAlcoholism]

Less calories with an Americano. I'm not always looking for milk.

[@onedropmtg6038]

I mean americano is the original name because it was invented to cater to the tastes of American soldiers in Italy during WWI. Due to the fact that espresso was not a thing in the US their palates were not used to the richness of espresso. So I prefer the original name due to its historical context also because it shares a name with a favorite cocktail of mine (equal parts sweet vermouth and Campari). Also due to being a diabetic the americano is my go to with its strong flavor, but nonexistent sugar content.

[@cheekster777]

Thank you and have yourself a wonderful weekend my friend.

[@Sprometheus]

You’re welcome, you as well!

[@m4tth3wh]

Preach! Now can we get to Cortado, Piccolo and Magic :D

[@checkwhatsleft4565]

What about the coffee made from drip brewers, many people would call that is americano as well.

[@slow_clumsy]

Based on my Italian Lineage (I'm Chinese 😂) I say that you're supposed to make it by pouring in 98° water while the shit is extracting, the most important part is the flow of the water matching the shot time so that they both are done at the same time.

[@MattHarris85]

'What goes in first or how big it is doesn't really make any difference' I've been saying this for years

[@terrycrissman7392]

It's Americano.....the origin has named it

[@JCleggy]

Coffee has been a passion of mine for a while now, and I’m just learning that people disagree on water or espresso first. I don’t have a way to make espresso at home, and I’ve never watched the barista make the dramatic masterpiece that is espresso and water. I guess it makes sense to do water first tho. lots of hot mass poured into a cup, then the small hot espresso. Otherwise you’d have to be very quick, or risk the small espresso cooling too much in the big cup

[@y4wnd3r3]

Personally I think I’ll take to calling it a white eye. What is an americano but a red eye where you replace the filter coffee with water?

[@kristerlile4627]

Spotter!... I'm for it.

[@golllum26]

Dude it's just me or the lightning is really strange in your new studio? seems too bright imo :)

[@MrFennmeista]

I sometimes will go into your average commercial cafe and order and espresso with some water added, and sometimes they will add a little more water than I like (and sometimes I will have to get it redone). I can't call it an Americano because it has a pre determined, specific amount of water in it according to the baristas specifications, and I prefer it customized to my own liking.

[@edgarpoureshagh6023]

I never make this drink for myself... but I don't think I would want the crema in tact.... especially if you intend to stir the solids on top before drinking. Why not have the water just do the work for you as you pour it in? Seems much more efficient to just pull the shot then dose the water....

[@rafaelagd0]

What is intriguing for me is the name of the beverage. Coming from Latin America, we are used to drink mainly drip coffee. It sounds to me that the americano is a way to mimic drip coffee. Now a days coffee shops cold easily offer drip coffee. It would be cheaper for them and would arguably be more "americano" than the americano. I may be confused why people like this drink. But for me it was always just a way of getting something close to a drip coffee in Europe.

[@marsrocket]

In the morning I’m just after the caffeine. Later in the day I go for taste.

[@TuliTheUnruly]

I vote we call it a "ruined espresso" or a "what's the point?"

[@dawidhyzy1425]

For me the biggest difference between Americano and Long Black is that for the second one you add espresso with 1:1 ratio. So for example if you have 20g of ground coffee you want to get 20g yield.

[@alexyates7166]

"Long Black" sounds like a Lungo to me as I'm used to "long" and "short" describing the pull. I prefer Americano since I never forget what it means.

[@kenbothman746]

I float my shots onto about 4oz of water in a titanium insulated cup I've had for 20 years. I call it my perfect little americano. and always will...

[@mrhoborz]

The only real issue with the wild west of espresso drink names is when ordering at different places... but when making it at home call it what makes sense to you, and if offering to someone else maybe just explain how much water (or milk) to expect (question mark)

[@brentroman]

Another “possible” distinction between the two, is the ‘type’ of shot being pulled. I have heard, that being from Australia/New Zealand, (and their proclivity for pulling ristrettos for drinks such as the flat white), I’ve heard a long black being made with hot water and a ristretto shot (vs a ‘regular’ shot). I don’t know how true this is; but something I’ve definitely heard.

[@danielpham8422]

I only drink long blacks made from ristrettos

[@abcdi]

@The Real Sprometheus Water or coffee first? Just pour a cup of water and a cup of espresso into a third cup simultaneously, and skip the debate.

[@EB-coffee]

Dialed in espresso is supposed to be perfect as is. Adding water or milk dilutes it and causes it to no longer be dialed in. In my opinion, espresso with water should be dialed with so it tastes good as an americano instead of just dialing in espresso and then adding water.

[@thomasfitzgibbon1675]

Yeah I like to pull my shots a little unbalanced for americanos. If I’m dialed in for a 1 to 2 in 27 seconds I’ll pull it a bit short. There’s a shop nearby me that does the same thing with their drinks

[@wlovas]

I’d say that to a certain approximation, extraction and strength are orthogonal, and correspondingly, so are dialing in and dilution: dialing in optimizes the extraction, while dilution selects strength.

[@kylehazachode]

Espresso first. Why? I like to cause turbulence in the cup with a high pour from the gooseneck kettle. Save dirtying a spoon

[@dcuccia]

I vote for spraqua (because aquaspro has ambiguously stressed syllables :))

[@satyr966]

Based on the title, I thought you were going to say that we should never combine espresso and water. Them's fightin' words, I was going to say

[@milovacc1195]

as an italian, coffee is defined as what comes out of an espresso maker or a moka pot. drowning the beverage in water , it becomes TEA.....

[@poopscoopproductions3177]

“What goes in first, or how big it is, doesn’t really make a difference” Tell that to my wife.

[@kevjmu]

Americano 👍 is what I call it. I prefer espresso but make an americano for coffee on the go with fellow’s insulated mug.

[@howdyitsdavid]

8-10oz of water first, 2oz(ish, weight, ya know) espresso in after. Drink 2-3 a day.

[@hodgesmt]

Honestly I add water first because I use a Decent Espresso DE1xl and if I do the espresso first, then add the water, the water stream splashes coffee on the back of the machine and I have to clean it. If I add the water first, the espresso dripping into the water doesn't splash and make a mess. So Water first because I am lazy and don't want to clean.

[@Sprometheus]

Plus water first is also so much more aesthetically appealing

[@mjack96]

I call it my morning coffee, because it’s easy to make in about 45 seconds and drink throughout the morning.

[@acokvidi]

I think long black is from lungo. Hench the smaller size

[@soupappreciator8977]

Idk man, these are drinks I don't enjoy that much so I never experimented at home yet I associate long blacks, which I usually have when travelling to AU/NZ as being significantly better (to me) than the usual americanos I have in other places of the world. This could be 100% bias on my part, or maybe they do the ratios of coffee to water differently? Not sure.

[@malachistephenson8819]

nz'er here, where I work if you ask for a long black you get a 150ml coffee, if you ask for an Americano you get a 250ml drink (emulating a filter/plunger strength). both are pulled onto the hot water to retain the crema, I too prefer a long black, as you keep more of the flavour and texture :)

[@nomadsolos]

OK SPRO Bro - Help me out with this: "What is this I am drinking? " I have made a few Latte - I have made a few Cappuccinos, and of course they are milk based drinks made with Espresso as you have stated. What I make a drink that I just am passionate for is what I call a "Blond Americano". I first pull a double shot espresso in two single shot glasses. (One of them will be added to a second drink shortly). I heat for 30 seconds in a microwave about 3 ounces of whole milk, pour in 1 single shot espresso, and add 202 degree Fahrenheit water in the 10 oz Coffee Mug, slowly stirring as the water fills. I do not know what you call it - but the taste is heavenly.

[@fishingtacklechannel]

I call it tasty coffee.

[@NashvilleFanatic]

Sure, it probably doesn't matter, and I'm not much for heated debates. At the same time sweating the small stuff is part of what has got the coffee available to us these days to be so good! Maybe we can keep the debate going, and just recognize that the conservation is more important than the conclusions? Definitely into keeping it merry, to Christmas and beyond! Thanks for the fun video. :)

[@rAustinBall]

I choose not to make watered down espresso drinks. It feels wrong.

[@450gmo]

Double shot in the cup, followed with water... I thought I was making myself a long black... and I've been drinking americanos all this time!?!?! Mind = blown! (It may take me some time to come to terms with this - I'm an Australian, not an American)

[@450gmo]

(And I can't fit a mug under my Cafelat Robot)

[@dmackle3849]

@@450gmo I think you may find you’re actually drinking an Australiano. That’s an entirely different combination of espresso and hot water.

[@PitonRey]

Honestly for me, the amount time it takes to make a long black or americano and the final product itself, i'd rather just make a strong cup of filter coffee.

[@Narkissos_1]

i am doing 1 dose of hot water and and 2 of espresso on top. not expert but works for me tbh.

[@macehead]

H2SprO Your welcome

[@snowboarder92120]

Oh man. When I saw the title of this video I thought you were against Americanos.. but I love Americanos. Glad it's just the name. I do water first. I feel like it gives the cup a little more time to stabilize temperature wise than adding the scolding hot water after.

[@daniel635biturbo]

I'm on the other side, disappointed 😂 I rather prefer a pour over or a Espresso / Cappuccino. What type of coffee do you use for Americano ?

[@snowboarder92120]

@@daniel635biturbo I just started roasting my own beans. I think they are Robusta beans and I enjoy medium roasts. I was really into light roasts but they have become too acidic. I usually drink a cappuccino and then an americano each morning. One decaf and one regular. I never really get the consistency with a pour over and I find it frustrating. It also takes longer to brew. Hbu? What type of beans are you using now?

[@daniel635biturbo]

@@snowboarder92120 Only lighter roasts generally Kenya or Ethiopian beans for Pour over, and slightly darker often blends for espresso. For espresso Decaf I can only get it to work with darker roasts and Arabica / Robusta blends. I often also blend some Decaf and ordinary beans, If I'm having coffee in the afternoon. So pretty similar coffee types I guess. But I haven't tested darker roasts and Americano when I think of it...

[@papalippe3572]

That is why in my cafe we call it hot black 😁

[@coffeevie]

I personally make mine water first and then shots, usually in a smaller “long black” size but I’m not gonna fight anyone that says/does otherwise. You want a 20oz americano with shots then water? Go for it. What’s that, you want 2oz of spro poured over 2oz of water? Have a blast

[@mazglad]

In Austrian coffee culture we have the "Verlängerten" which should equal a long black...but most Cafes serve a Lungo with a little bit more water going through the coffee...be aware! Only some good Cafes serve an espresso with hot water on the side to create your own "Verlängerten"

[@auralistank]

I spent a month drinking straight robusta espresso and had a long black from a cafe this weekend. I think I have gotten too used to the full flavour and long blacks taste too watery to me. This is funny to me because when I stopped drinking flat whites because I became vegan and didn't see the point in a plant milk coffee drink I eased myself in on long blacks and they also tasted watery to me then but in a different way until I got used to it.

[@auralistank]

I also didn't answer the question. I think you should just add 'o's to the end of the word espresso to indicate how much water should be added. Call each 'o' 25ml of added water.

[@auralistank]

Or make each 'o' a ratio. Espresso is just espresso, espressoo doubles the output with extra hot water, espressooo triples it, so on and so forth.

[@mikni4069]

Long black and Americano are just weird names, not that the names of the others espresso beverages are really any more logic. I just call it a diluted espresso because that is fundamentally what it is. It doesn’t really matter how you make it but for effect You can brew it into water, but often I find that to be a mess, so prefer the other way around and then stir it.

[@marklister1334]

One good thing about a Long Black is it usually quickly identifies a specialty coffee shop from a quick peek at the menu board

[@Sprometheus]

Haha that’s true, it’s definitely a bit more of a third wavy vibe.

[@garrettbernstein5991]

You owe it to yourself to try Hoffmans tip of removing the crema off an Americano. You get a velvety smooth but strong flavors.