Cognitive Functions - Te vs Ti

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[@lovewho]

As always with these types of videos, don't take it as exhaustive, it's simply whichever thoughts about these functions were in my head at the time of filming. I'll revisit all of them many times ~ Nathan

[@christineherrmann205]

Whenever you comment and pin like this, I wait for you to just write "First."

[@nkopanelesedilebona9227]

There are more detailed and exhaustive videos you've made in the functions anyway. - Hikari

[@dashichaconnenow]

Actually, that's so simplified that I'd get it as a prayer to study everyday

[@Lizzzi86]

@@christineherrmann205 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@tink6225]

i like this approach

[@aprilbl00m]

Te says "Get it done quickly" Ti says "Get it done properly"

[@waykee33]

What do others think about the main comment? Does this accurately convey the respective functions? Also, am I seemingly being very Ti in this comment too?

[@ADeeSHUPA]

@@waykee33 uP

[@waykee33]

@@ADeeSHUPA I don't understand.

[@lufsolitaire5351]

I think properly is also a Si thing but I do agree an istj would want a task done more quickly than an isfj. A Ti-Si(with Ne) combo would yield the greatest findings and insights due to being the most methodical but would work at a laborious pace that would irritate high Se and Te users. Especially xsxp’s and xntj’s. xstj’s can go either way; appreciating the method of Si but having Te could make them equally as impatient.

[@paulie33]

i have both :/

[@DZL1]

As a Ti Dom(INTP), I am incredibly grateful to my current math teacher for allowing us to use whichever methods we are comfortable with on tests, mainly because some higher level problems require some deeper thinking as well as having many possible paths. Of course, it's important to learn the "standard" way of doing it, but he constantly emphasizes the fact that there's no one "correct" way to solve a problem. He gives us full credit if we can show how our solution is logically sound even if he's never seen someone solve it in that way. On a different note, it's important to note that even though some methods are objectively more efficient than others in that they take less steps, someone might be faster(and more accurate) with a "less efficient" method if they're used to using it compared to a new shortcut that they just learned.

[@dystopianarson3042]

I had a math teacher of the similar nature as you mentioned. Didn't deny logical framework I followed to solve problems and always told there are many ways to solve it. Now I don't get discouraged trying to find out new methods to solve them , inspite of relying on standard methods when I'm out of time.

[@heatherbryant4197]

Interesting. What type do you think your math teacher is?

[@dystopianarson3042]

@@heatherbryant4197 I never really knew her personality except her professional nature. She was a good singer and used to sing songs (when our entire class requested her) cause we used to finish the topics way too early and earned free classes. A great listener and explanations were concise and clear, along with great choice of words which I truly appreciate. Friendly and straightforward. Would you take a guess?

[@theorangecandle]

To counter the last paragraph. Yes, sometimes you can be faster with a less efficient method, but wouldn't that be just because you haven't mastered the more efficient method. Eg: Someone who doesn't know how to ride a bike and is still learning and keeps falling. Initially it would be faster for him to simply run. But once he masters riding the bike it would obviously be the more efficient method.

[@DZL1]

@@theorangecandle well, yes, that's why I differentiate between the most efficient method and the preferred method, though I think that ended up largely implied in my original comment. For this purpose, the most efficient solution is, well, the objectively most efficient solution(i.e. takes the least amount of steps, or takes the least amount of time at a proficient level of speed, or determined by some other suitable metric) whereas the preferred solution is the subjectively most efficient solution and can vary across individuals due to being affected by factors such as familiarity. Edit: the preferred method is also determined according to the same metric as the most efficient solution in case that wasn't clear

[@emilymclaughlin_art]

"Ti gives suggestions, Te gives directions". Love that! As an INFJ, I'm becoming frustrated by my Te in the trickster slot, and wanting to utilize it more. Thanks for sharing your insight Nathan.

[@juice_lime5114]

A suggestion since you are aware of your shadow functions... First you use your Ti, only then you can use Te backwards by trying to manifest your thoughts. It actually reinforces your thought with confidence, also reducing potential mistakes. It can be trained, but requires a ton of effort. Don't use it without second guessing it.

[@end4567]

That's true. I'm an INTJ and I have a very close INFJ friend. I can clearly see it how he gets infuriated when an ENTJ "marks their presence" and he even sometimes gets a little angry at me if I go over the board with the Te while I simultaneously get irritated when he overindulges in his Fe too. (again, blindspot). But obviously, we came to terms with each other so we are willed to "compromise" in this regard. Still, I can see how it can cause a lot of conflicts in more immature people. Te users might believe that Fe users are fake and liars while Fe users might believe that Te users are too insensitive, serious and unfun to be around.

[@juice_lime5114]

@@end4567 Matured INTJs and INFJs actually get along pretty well, Te-Ti and Fe-Fi actually cover for each other. I was observing that with an INTJ family member, it was hilarious. We see things the same way, take different planning processes, but always end up on the same goal XD Once went to a restaurant but we had to take a long way to the entrance, only seperated by a rope partition. She wanted to just ignore the rule and get over the fence because she believed it was faster (Te-Fi), but I insisted on the long way due to many people crowding around inside (Fe-Ti). In the end we both reached the reception at roughly the same time. Her "short way" wasn't short at all...

[@alisonfisher1877]

@@juice_lime5114 I’ve noticed this shared goal/different method relationship as well and think the recognition of it can be tremendously helpful for avoiding conflict or frustration with someone you’re close to but have a different functions stack with. I’m an Fi/Te and my boyfriend is Fe/Ti. So just to stick up for my own function axis (unnecessarily) regarding your example...😊... her method of getting to the shared destination wasn’t necessarily more timely, but perhaps required less spent energy. So just to reiterate what you explained- Same goal achieved in the same amount of time, but the preference for getting there may be different in not only the how, but also as to the why. 😉

[@angellombness4371]

@@alisonfisher1877 goosebumps. Thank you, this helps. 💜

[@00Klingon]

The way I prefer to think of it is - Ti is True/False logic, and Te is Pass/Fail logic. One is concerned with precision and the whole truth at the expense of efficiency while the other is concerned with the good enough at the expense of precision.

[@lovewho]

I really like that explanation!! ~ Nathan

[@MM-gk1tm]

It sounds almost too obvious, but as a Te dom, I just HAVE to talk or after a while I almost can't function. ISTP's Ti and Se might be similar in some ways, but they are just so silent compared to Te doms... My INTP son can go whole days practically without saying anything. I find it astounding. To me it's like the thinking is all shared. I want to know what other people think and I want them to know what I think. In that regard I think Te and Fe have more in common than one might think at first glance. Whereas the Ti people are so private about their thoughts, like INFPs about their feelings. Another great video.

[@lovewho]

That hadn't occurred to me, I notice that my mother (who's an ESTJ) often talks out loud to herself, usually listing out things that need to be done soon ~ Nathan

[@fauzanree1983]

Thats a very interesting observation.

[@angellombness4371]

Thank you for stating this ... oh! Te dom user here agrees - Te doms talk it through w someone, even yourself. Wonder if this is true as well for getting a pen/cil on paper.

[@amjthe_paleosquare9399]

Me be like that (INTP). I don't have anything I consider valuable/interesting/important enough for others to hear? Or is it something so obvious everybody already knows it? Then I don't feel like talking. But ASK ME about anything I'm obsessed with... (Same with physical affection, it's little and usually quick)

[@MM-gk1tm]

@@amjthe_paleosquare9399 My son when he was about 10 once said, "I don't really enjoy talking. But sometimes I need to convey INFORMATION".

[@tuskinekinase]

Even being an INFP I can constantly feel my inferior Te screaming to me, demanding me to do more actual stuff. "Get shit done" is something constantly on my lips. I do see my INTP friends prefer being accurate than being productive, and sometimes their logic is so bizarre that I find it hard to reconcile with. Well, as long as it works!

[@cyberneticbutterfly8506]

When INTPs like me do reasoning wrong we can go down a deep rabbit hole of analysis based on wrong premises so it's no wonder if it then seems bizarre. As for when it's correct reasoning it might have different priorities, like an accurate understanding of the universe and society is seen as important because doing alot of Te actions based in incorrect understanding is repulsive to an INTP.

[@stevedavenport1202]

It's the Ne influence that makes their usage of Ti so strange...

[@tuskinekinase]

@@cyberneticbutterfly8506 Yeah, at the end of the day our individual starting points are kind of the natural barriers

[@tuskinekinase]

@@cyberneticbutterfly8506 My INTP friend and I had this exact conflict. She criticized me for jumping into actions with superficial understandings, and I'm hurt that she wouldn't apply her understanding to help me actually do something. It was...not the best of times.

[@crapendejs839]

Fi with Ne and Ti with Ne gives so different results it's crazy and frightening

[@Smudg3lord]

Always getting into trouble here, questioning Te bosses methods. “but this is we’ve always done it and it’s worked so far” 🙄 - ISTP

[@stevedavenport1202]

Yes, have had many conversations like that with former ESTJ bosses. I think their approach to bosshood worked fine when the world was a far less dynamic place..AKA The Stone Age. But nowadays, things change so quickly that doing things the same way forever costs money and puts companies out of business.

[@lt.branwulfram4794]

Yeah, until it stops working because changing facts and contexts are an inevitable part of reality and so analysing everything down to the core to determine the next course of action is never a bad thing. - INTP

[@Smudg3lord]

@@stevedavenport1202 I like how you went straight to ESTJ. 🤔😆

[@stevedavenport1202]

@@Smudg3lord Well, they represent the majority of bosses and most of them are knuckleheads.

[@Smudg3lord]

@@stevedavenport1202 Absolutely! 😂👌🏽

[@victoriabugado6272]

To me, being in the same room with a Te dominant feels like standing in front of a bulldozer. You WILL be put to work on whatever it is they are doing (whether you want to or not), and you will be doing it their way, because they don't have the time or inclination to stand around talking about ideas. I think the phrase, "Sometimes wrong, but never in doubt," was coined about extroverted thinkers.

[@lovewho]

That's pretty relatable (my mother is an ESTJ). I must say that there are certain times where I'm glad she's that way, there's so many areas in which I'm just completely chaotic and disorganised so she's a great counterbalance to that ~ Nathan

[@benjaminharmon6541]

As an ISTP, I don't mind that if it's just getting actual work done, so ESTJs don't bother me, but ENTJs often want to put people to work to benefit the ENTJ themselves, which I find kind of repulsive. Like go ahead and show your whole exploitative ass, that's fine.

[@janetostergaard598]

@@benjaminharmon6541 As an ENTJ with and ISTP son I can tell you that the only time I put him to work is when it benefits him directly. We do have high standards for people, but we hold ourselves to even higher ones.

[@alisonfisher1877]

I’m guessing you’re an INFJ?

[@estephanelia]

😂😂😂

[@CyberMartian890]

That last part was soooo accurate, I'm an ENTP so Ti who takes A level maths and I always get told how I'm doing a different method, often being told I'm overly complicating something unnecessarily

[@nerysghemor5781]

Funny enough, I'm an INFP working with an ENTP on a project and even though Te is my fourth function, it's DEFINITELY enough to get me confused and frustrated when I feel like we're going around in circles or wasting time on something, or holding up "good" in the interests of an impossible "perfect."

[@lishayost444]

@@nerysghemor5781 Very insightful.

[@lishayost444]

Some people think I overcomplicate things too, but I think I'm being thorough. - intp

[@psychobella]

Instead of overcomplicating, I simplify too much, but still manage to get the right answers. Sadly, the math teacher never appreciated this. I'm ISTP

[@lishayost444]

@@psychobella Me and my ISTP husband pretty much figure out things like math problems in almost opposite ways, lol! But we both get the same correct answers of course ;) - intp

[@eliseesbjornsson4981]

I can relate to what you said about your INTJ piano student. I’m like that with writing. I research so much about methods, rules, etc and plan the characters, the world and the story for so long that I sometimes never even start writing the actual story, and if I do, it’s a long time after I first came up with the idea of it. It’s because that when I start writing, I want it to go as efficiently as possible. I don’t want to stop writing once I’ve started because there’s an error in the plot or because my writing feels wrong.

[@mirriyastia7041]

SO MUCH RELATABLE (actually doing the same, btw, and also the same procrastination shaping out the universe instead of beginning to finally write). +1 point to my presumed INTJness

[@jelenapavic4178]

Omg you have just described me as an INTJ! I stopped writing since I'm a student, cause I know I don't have time to dedicate myself and be efficient enough, so I constantly make ideas in my head and I'm waiting to finish with my faculty exams 😂

[@jeremyjean-pierre4977]

INTP but I feel like you took the words right out of my mind.

[@sarahberkner]

I've heard Ni doms like to work/think stream of consciousness style and don't like to be interrupted when you're working. Also Ni means you like to develop a big picture of what your fictional world looks like. I know about the second thing because as an ESTJ Ni is my blindspot, it amazes me how writers are able to create a believable world while I have trouble creating a big picture of what the real world is like! The Te part in your comment is using the method of writing that works best for you.

[@theprinceofcrows8691]

That is funny because I am the same way with writing and I am an INFJ. I get bogged down in the planning and fleshing out the background and the characters etc that I can never get to the actual writing itself.

[@juliacharisstiles1823]

Great series on comparing functions, would like to hear Fi/Fe Another concept that I’d like to hear about is how the types use shadow functions. How would the ENTJ unconscious show up for INTP, or how would a Ti user incorporate Te? I don’t think these inferior functions are always used in a negative way.

[@amjthe_paleosquare9399]

As a Ti dom... no idea. I'd feel like you're talking too much. I don't mind, I can zone out (not out of rudeness, but because it's a lot of talking). I've tried to be more talkative and explain things. I've got my parents and sisters telling me for years that they can't read my mind, they don't know what's going on inside my head. Communication is key. But mine looks like a security vault. I'm trying to update it to a simple locker.

[@arwuh]

T is just T - reasons, logic, how something works as opposed to how it feels emotionally (F). The main difference is that Ti is focused and goes deeper, stacking many logical steps on top of each other. Te is more diffuse, with a broader focus and therefore less deep, like the difference between a laser beam and a flashlight. One isn't inherently better than the other, it depends on what you need them for. The other difference is perspective. Ti has a first person perspective and Te is more like a third person perspective. Te users feel like their own logic is incomplete without the input of others which makes them well suited to working in teams and committees but they are likely to feel lost on their own. Ti users want to focus their thoughts and are likely to find other people's perspectives to be superfluous which gives them an advantage when working alone but they risk coming up with solutions that are rejected by others because they are too hard to understand or out of tune with what people want.

[@1atsu]

That being said, I find myself (INTJ) using more Ti than Te.

[@arwuh]

@@1atsu you are probably a different type then.

[@1atsu]

@@arwuh My Ni is gigantic, Fi much bigger than Fe, also Se>Si. Just my Ti thats well developed

[@dande_lion]

​@@1atsu Sure about INTJ? To me this sounds like INFJ could be an option as well.

[@heatherbryant4197]

@@1atsu Most INTJs have excellent Ti when they're called on to use it. Just not quite as good as INTP. But they shouldn't _prefer_ using Ti over Te. The way you've described your functions, ISFP is actually another possibility. Most ISFPs strongly identify with their Ni and can also have pretty good Ti in the 8th slot (although it's more like a game to them). Your inferior function can sometimes seem a bit distasteful to you, especially when you're younger, so that could potentially explain eschewing Te.

[@elsa12tmnt27]

I think Te also is generally open to hearing how things are done in different places, and hearing the logic behind different mindsets/approaches that people have. They'll want to keep these separate, as "this is how x people do this, this is how y people logic out that," and use different "systems" of logic depending on the location/situation/context. Meanwhile, a Ti will try to find a one-size-fits-all method

[@lovewho]

That's an interesting point. It makes sense that Te would compartmentalise in the way you're describing ~ Nathan

[@freregregoire2685]

As an INTP and so Ti dom, I'm honestly not the greatest in taking instructions and advice, to learn things I have to mull and process them myself to figure out how to do things. But with my Ne I do absorb all kind of tidbit ideas from my surroundings and form some odd methods to do things (which makes it kinda embarrassing to having to explain my sources of decision-making..."I was reading this book about magic tricks and it made me think that we need to reorganize our company web page"...yeah, I know I sound like a crazy person when I do that which is why I might be vague about explaining myself) I'd guess my mother to be ISTJ: her judgments are more based on thinking than feeling, but she readily asks for advice and relies on opinions of people she deems trustworthy (as well as things that have always worked, of course) which to me spells out Te.

[@Noelciaaa]

True but we totally ace tests for that reason. always something surfacing from deep memory from a seemingly random source, even if we truly did not study enough to pass, we do.

[@an_anishinaabe_son]

"accuracy vs effectiveness", well said! I now have language to describe this concept. Nathan, thank-you!

[@33Jenesis]

My mother has no Ti in her OS. It is highly frustrating for me living with her because of her lack of sound logic when doing things. Her feet is terribly deformed because for years she would buy $1 used sneakers 2 sizes too big from garage sale to wear at work, standing and walking for 14 hours a day 6 days a week. Her reason? Saving money and easy slip on and off. My approach on foot health was researching on picking the right footwear during my decades of running, hiking, and mountaineering. I knew I couldn’t buy the cheapest shoes. My feet’s long term health is worth investing and replacing shoes.

[@heatherbryant4197]

Your mother, based on that description, actually kinda sounds like an ESTJ to me. Ignoring Ti, but also completely blind to the Ni holistic big picture, not realizing that focusing too much on the day-to-day is screwing her over in the longterm. You'd think that Si would make them realize they're causing themselves pain, but the Te "efficient" use of resources seems to override that. ExFPs, while blind Ti, usually aren't so cheap, in my experience. What do you think she is though?

[@33Jenesis]

@@heatherbryant4197 i have no idea what type she is to be honest. She can be clever in coming up with solutions to problems with what’s on hand. However she is extremely short sighted. She worked in low paid jobs but her sister invested her savings buying Disney, Home Depot, Amazon stocks over time to hold them. She retired 25 years ago with $900k book value. She gave it all to my brother who sold them to buy penny and obscure IT stocks (I had no idea. My mom was deathly afraid to ask him about her money). Now she has about $350k book value. If she gave me her retirement portfolio I would not touch a thing and she’d be having $3 mil today. She did the same with my dad’s military pension 30 years ago, he told her specifically not to cash out before he passed but she didn't listen, netting $50k. If she didn’t cash out, she’d be getting $1250 a month until she dies, instead of her paltry $200 monthly SSI. I used to not inclined to manage her affair; not my money and not my business. However, after my brother sold her last Goolge stock to get 3 penny stocks 5 years ago, I cut him off the account and put my name on it. She made a lot of stupid mistakes all her life and money isn’t the worst case. She believed in news article about some workout or remedy without doing any research. Over the years she damaged her own body overdoing those workouts, never listening to my suggestion to do yoga for flexibility and simple bear crawl to strengthen her large muscles and stability. Now at 84, her body is about 70% stiff, forget about yoga or any body weight workout to reverse the course. She is very traditional and stubborn in her belief and life style. She also can’t differentiate a wolf and a sheep; judging people solely by what they say and their jobs (white collar better than blue collar for example).

[@heatherbryant4197]

@@33Jenesis I'm sorry to hear about the difficulties you've had. It can be really hard to watch someone sabotage themselves and feel powerless to stop it or undo the damage. Trying to persuade some people is like talking to a brick wall... very stubborn, but then, at the same time, so gullible when it comes to believing claims made by anyone who *appears* to be an authority figure or know what they're talking about, even if it's a late-night infomercial. When you're talking to her, or observe her having conversations with others, does she tend to ramble on in unnecessary detail about mundane things or old stories, seemingly unaware when the person she's speaking to is bored or frustrated? Does she come across as rude and obliviously abrasive at times? Or is she generally more aware of nonverbal social cues and how others perceive her?

[@33Jenesis]

@@heatherbryant4197 yup she rambles and unawares others’. She can be blunt and free with her opinions therefore she isn’t well liked but more tolerated; because once people know her for a while they know she isn’t mean, only misplaced well intention. She wants to look good but doesn’t know how. This is probably caused by her upbringing and physical attribute. She claims not to care about people but she often says “what will people say if I wear this or that?”. What type do you think she is? She is a homebody but she does crave verbal communication and companionship.

[@theorangecandle]

I'm sorry but something about this comment made me burst out in actual laughter lol

[@celtofcanaanesurix2245]

so what you are saying is Ti is thinking outside the box while Te is changing the box to think inside of

[@lovewho]

I like this description a lot ~ Nathan

[@celtofcanaanesurix2245]

@@lovewho glad you liked it

[@ericstankylekenny]

That's clarifying.

[@samuelunias673]

"Not because it's more accurate, but simply beacuse that is its intention.". This is an amazing statement! Loved it.

[@jacobandersen6075]

An ESFP vs ENFP video would be great. I think it can be tricky sometimes for people to tell the difference between these two types because Ne and Se as dominant functions can, at a superficial level and without knowing the person very well, both be somewhat camouflaged by their chaotic natures, especially when Fi is shouting directions from the passenger side.

[@user-sf9rr7wu3f]

yess it would make an interesting video

[@beingsomeone201]

entp me uses esfp+ safely , my 5Th ni is mild concious, esfp dont, entp s last is si, esfps last is ni, so not that same

[@rogerhuggettjr.7675]

I'm an INTP. I remember taking math in elementary school and getting in trouble for solving a problem my way and told it was wrong because we had to do it a more clumsy way. A week later we'd learn to do it my way. When I'd ask why it was wrong last week, I'd be told that it we didn't do it the other way first we wouldn't understand the foundation of how we got to it, which I had proven wasn't true as the second way was obviously superior. That's why answers are all that matter to me. Showing your work is like frustrating make work to prevent originality of thought.

[@lovewho]

I think this is a very relatable story for certain types of people! ~ Nathan

[@pteropus66]

That happened to me too in math class. That happened to me in high school, but I liked the methods marks because at least I got some points even though the teachers were usually doofuses. I think they were trying to prevent, ho hum, cheating. Is there a lot of cheating in math classes? Yeah, I guess there is. Personally, I saw more rubbernecking in math class than I've seen on the freeway after a gnarly accident.

[@trinaq]

I'm a definite TI user, being an INFJ. There will be plenty of things which only make sense to me, and I enjoy the odd bit of brainstorming. This is in comparison to my high TE using father and brother, who are an ISTJ and an ESTJ respectively.

[@stevedavenport1202]

Oh, Lord have mercy. Your heads must be bruised from butting head with each other.. 😀

[@thefool5460]

Have you met an INTJ? Their supposed to have Te which I believe I have but I want to know to what extent other INTJ's use their Te. I am way more of a Ti than I would think being an INTJ.

[@thefool5460]

I have been enlightened slightly of how my mind works. For my personal life and being alone, I operate like an Ti user. I have my own way of doing things and like to think about things a lot. But, when I'm in the outside world or in a job, I think about if something is working or if it's better going forward rather than why is it working.

[@1atsu]

@@thefool5460 Im also INTJ and a higher Ti user than Te tbh. It gets confusing.

[@trinaq]

@@stevedavenport1202 Yep, you can certainly say that! 😂 They're organisers by nature, so don't always appreciate my more lackadaisical approach to things! 😉 I generally get on with them, but we do butt heads, like in most families!

[@CheriFields]

Really enjoyed the piano example. I’ve been admiring your upright and keyboard in the background and was delighted to now learn you’re a teacher. I’m sure you’re a good one with how well you communicate and can put yourself in a student’s shoes. As an INTJ, my piano has often helped me process and share my feelings. And the process of studying over the years has been an endless source of analogies for life. This Te vs Ti is fascinating for me as it helps explain why some people have so much trouble accepting what just *is* when it’s shared with them. It helps me understand why sometimes I can be much more pragmatic about working with systems or people who have serious flaws than some people in my life. At some point it’s just more efficient than waiting for something ideal to show up, or more wastefully, developing it from scratch just so I could have it match my vision at every point.

[@thebigredwagon]

I’m an INTP and I find that my friend who is Te dominant tries to optimise the obsolete. For example. The employees would empty their bins into a big bin in the building and then my friend who is the manager would empty that big bin into the bin outside. He would complain how much time it was taking out of his day and it was causing all sorts of problems. He tried different approaches until I said “ why are you taking the bin out anyway? Why can’t they empty their own bin?” He had never even considered it. He does things like this that actually irritate me. If something doesn’t work and it’s clear that you understand the consequences of eliminating it then for me it’s gone .

[@Lizzzi86]

🤣🤣🤣 I'm ENTP and I lived quite similar situations with Te users near me: INTJ, ENFP, INFP, ISFP... 🤦‍♀

[@thebigredwagon]

@@Lizzzi86 My worst experience was we had a big meeting with a client and the client was discussing his logo and what he wanted it to look like. Everyone at the table was agreeing with the client and then he said “ I like it, but can you make it taller and but keep the width the same?” Everyone agreed…except me. My manager turns to me and says “that’s not problem at all is it, Rob?” I say to the client “ unfortunately that’s not possible. So without revealing the client they have a globally recognised logo, it’s iconic and the 20 people at the table are horrified. The client says to me “why?! That should be easy. I just want it taller than it is wide” I repeated “ it’s not easy, it’s impossible” now the client is really irritated and I reply “ because your logo is a circle, if I make it taller than it is wide then it will no longer be a circle, it will be an egg” 🤣

[@Lizzzi86]

@@thebigredwagon when I read "can you make it taller but keep the width the same? " I thought instantly: that doesn't make sense because that will deform the logo. 🤣🤣🤣🤣 and you said the same 🤣🤣🤣 I have that problem almost every time I try to teach someone graphic design 🤦‍♀

[@thebigredwagon]

@@Lizzzi86 😂 I know, I understand your pain.

[@Lizzzi86]

@@thebigredwagon 🤣🤣🤣

[@jessenoreligionno5731]

Well put, that is the best explanation of ti vs te I've heard. I'm definitely a TE user.

[@NathanaelNaused]

I think you did a great job. I think you very accurately conveyed both my experience as a Ti user and what I see (at least externally) about Te.

[@lovewho]

Glad to hear it! ~ Nathan

[@Multitudes_]

I'm rather in favor of Cognitive Personality Theory's views on how Te is used, especially on the 'analysis vs. action' point, which isn't always true. The gist is that Ti is about internal logical order and Te is about external logical order, and they can both be applied to a whole lot of different things, either passively observed or actively shaped. Te can also be used in a quiet, solitary, low-action way for analysis or research, and NFPs, for example, tend to use it this way a lot, in conjunction with Ne. NFPs often apply Te to exploring and analyzing big-picture things with implications for human life and reality, like science, philosophy, politics, and society; we also apply it toward learning in general (where we tend to have wide-ranging curiosity), developing new skills, and achieving creative or other goals. Ti-doms also tend to employ Te a fair bit in support of their Ti goals. But the dominant function is the function we use in the most active, dynamic, creative manner, so the Te use of Te-doms does tend to be more action-oriented than that of other types - and when used that way, yeah, Te can be very productive in very outwardly obvious ways. I also tend to agree with the CPT idea that the inferior function is 'inferior' mainly in its use in conjunction with the blindspot function and not in and of itself. For example, INFPs most naturally use Te in conjunction with Ne - for things like research, analysis, academics, and intellectual exploration - and are typically strong rather than weak in this regard. It's applying Te to the concrete Se realm that we tend to have trouble with - being decisive, being practical, taking action, getting stuff done, and actively creating order in our lives.

[@lovewho]

Although I know of CPT I haven't looked deeply into the theory that much yet, this sounds really fascinating though! When it comes to going into depth he might be the best person around on KZbin ~ Nathan

[@stevedavenport1202]

I think TE doms enjoy laying back and...as much as anybody else 😀

[@nope6601]

this is a great video. i was always struggling with whether i'm truely a Te dom or not, but this description of Te seems like a description of me. it's true, i don't like to focus too deep on a topic if not necessary. i like to have many little informations that can get me through life and get me where i want. i never have this deep anchored desire to open up something and get to the bottom of it, i also was never interested in looking behind a curtain. i do like knowledge, but only if it benefits me in anyway. i like to keep my head a free space for other important things rather than random facts that just sit around. i have Ti dom friends for telling me random facts. But a lesson i learned is that, while i really do give directions to people, never ever give directions to a Ti except when they specifically ask for it. Ti works on their own. I made mistakes in the past, bc my way of working or my priority of efficiency is not really something a Ti dom/aux is interested in. As a Te user, i appreciate their suggestions a lot, but they just never need any suggestions from me. I do have a lot of feelers asking me what to do. From my experience, Ti users usually try not to hurt them (Fe inf) and therefore only suggest. whereas I only want the best and actually tell them what to do and try to push them towards the right way. Usually nobody really takes any advice but always turns out i'm right anyways. I have a lot of Ti users in my friend group, it's sometimes hard for me to get them to see my point.

[@heatherbryant4197]

You've learned a very valuable lesson. Kudos. I wish the xxTJs I knew understood this. Unsolicited advice about how to solve a problem is insulting to a xxTP, and bossing people around is seen as rude (poor Fe). I do understand that they are trying to be helpful, but they are going about it the wrong way, given my stack. In regards to seeing your point, I can at least say from my own experience and perspective, that it's more like I do understand where my Te friends are coming from and why they are providing the given solution, but I've already considered that option in the past and determined in won't work for myriad reasons and really don't want to be bothered explaining all the variables and complications just to explain to someone why their solution won't work in this particular instance. But I can see the frustration in the Te-user when their ideas are unwanted, so I do feel for that. Treating TPs as if they are FJs or FPs looking for help with figuring out what to do is a problem I experience more with ESTJs than ENTJs though. With Si in the mix, and a lack of Ni/Se, there is sometimes a failure to see how I am different from people they are used to dealing with in the past, so they give unsolicited directions out of habit, not realizing the determinant factor of the current reality is that this situation is different from what they've encountered before. I'd just be careful with the "I told you so" attitude (not assuming, but if you ever say that outloud). From a Ti user's perspective, TJs seem to display a lot of confirmation bias and selective memory, recalling all the times they were right and conveniently forgetting all the times they were wrong, sometimes even misremembering what their actual claim was (hindsight bias), or doing some sort of mental gymnastics to explain how they were actually right when they weren't. I have to hand it to you guys though; you get a lot more accomplished than I do. I will sit and ponder a problem _too long_ before I take action, often times. I think there is, ideally, a balance to be struck between efficient heuristics and time-consuming analysis, so that we aren't taking too long to reach a conclusion, but also not jumping the gun.

[@MrLuigiFercotti]

Te users damn near have amnesia about their f ups. The Ti dom will crucify themselves meanwhile and keep them awake at night.

[@tokyorome]

These cognitive functions comparison videos are really good, thank you.

[@lovewho]

Glad to hear it, thank you! ~ Nathan

[@EFO841]

Good video! Understanding the functions is probably the best way to learn the MBTI, so you're doing good work ^_^ The thing about the two functions working together vs one function by itself was why I (INTJ) would consistently mistype as INTP for awhile. I mistook Ni and Te working together as Ti, but when I examined Ni vs Ne I realized that I definitely tend toward Ni, and the rest fell into place.

[@bekster081305]

This was very informative and helpful, thanks!

[@dande_lion]

As far as I can tell this seems to be accurate. As an ENFP (but I don't know if this is valid for all ENFPs) I feel drawn to Ti-users. I like the logical way of thinking and highly value being given suggestions and different points of view. (And hate when people tell me how I should do things.)

[@mieralunarlunishion]

That kinda makes sense, I get along better with Ti-users as well (almost all my friends are). I used to think that was because my Fi is drawn to Fe, or thinks inferior Fe is cute. But it does make more sense that I like the fact they never tell you what to do. I hate it too when people tell me how I should do things. :)

[@MA-2020]

I'm INFP, and I totally second this!

[@tanayasiripoon9822]

I agree. I think Ti-doms need us as well. They can use logic, but we ENFPs can help them with emotional/relationship/identity issues. I have helped my INTP and ISTP friends to contemplate emotions a lot. They are not familiar with their Fe and can lose touch with other people's true feelings and intentions.

[@sweetdashing5050]

I am also an enfp and i feel the same. My best friends are intps, entps, istps.

[@sarahberkner]

As an ESTJ, I know a lot of people say they don't like being told what to do, but it's confusing to me (just for the record I don't normally go around telling people what to do like the stereotype). If it's a creepy stranger or a mean boss telling you what to do, or if you do actually know what you're doing, yeah that can be annoying. But often I need to be told what to do. I want to be told how to do my job on my first day, or to wear my seatbelt so I don't die if I get in a crash, or not drive fast through a school zone, or to heat the oven to 350 for 20 minutes. My ISTP boss gives me too little direction for my liking. Maybe I'm misunderstanding. And it's not wrong if you get annoyed at that, I just don't get it. I remembered at the end that you said "How to do something", which is maybe different.

[@13triforce]

this... actually helped me understand the difference so thanks for that

[@lovewho]

Glad to hear it! ~ Nathan

[@marvipendragon]

I hope you continue with Se vs. Si and Fe vs. Fi. 😍 I'm understanding more the cognitive functions because of you.

[@lovewho]

Glad to hear it! There is a series that goes slightly more in depth on the channel as well where I talk about the individual cognitive functions, so feel free to check that one out! ~ Nathan

[@marvipendragon]

@@lovewho I'll check it out! 💖

[@lishayost444]

Good stuff, Nathan! This video made me think about how perfectionism tends to manifest itself in Ti or Te people.

[@lovewho]

That's something I added in the recent Ne vs Ni video but didn't in this one. Now I'm thinking about it as well... So perhaps it's related to productivity vs accuracy. I often see Te dom types pushing themselves too hard to be getting things done all the time whereas high Ti users might find it hard to handle creating something that isn't logically airtight ~ Nathan

[@davidschrodt507]

I often hear intps say they are stuck not moving forward bc of perfection. I'm intp. I don't believe this is right. Intps want to be accurate and precise. But that's not truly the same as perfectionistic. In terms of creativity, how can their be perfectionism? Creativity is subjective. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I lead a worship team at church. I notice when things aren't perfect for sure. However, I don't harp on those bc I'm also aware that the vast majority of the audience is for unaware when the band has made a mistake. Or when they do, I also know that the audience will be forgiving. My personal status or worth isn't dependent on my work being perfect

[@lishayost444]

@@davidschrodt507 I can relate to all you said. I've even led worship at church before lol! I think for me, it's more like it's preferable and gives me a lot of joy and excitement when things do go really well according to how I would like, or what I think is best. It doesn't take too long for me to get over something that didn't go my way though. More like an instance of, ugh. When I'm stressed it's more annoying when things don't go the way I think they should.

[@vx7526]

I, as a Te user by MBTI, have found also myself using the Ti functions quite frequently. It’s interesting I cannot tell whether I have better developed Ti or Te, but the psychological experience speaks. It was actually the moments of hitting at the final solution or coming up with a way-out that made me feel great relief from the stresses, not when I was getting my head in the analysis. I have often seen Intps in life who have crisp Te. Then I guess they might have the reversed process.

[@lovewho]

In certain systems particular types (such as INTJs and ISTJs) can be very adept and strong at both Te and Ti. If you haven't already then I'd recommend looking more into Socionics to explore that ~ Nathan

[@eva-lottakastilanezer7112]

This was a great video to discribe the difference of Ti and Te. Even if I am not a dominant Ti I had a very Ti-situation in school once. My mathematics teacher gave back my culculations and said: I have no idea how you got there but you have the right answer. I would always get bored with rules and systems and just look for a deeper understanding and base my work on that.

[@AdoptionLawSourceTrinity]

Excellent.

[@kylesmith7500]

Great vid today Nathan

[@lovewho]

Thank you very much! ~ Nathan

[@patrykj547]

Quick summary Te-intellect and Ti- intelligence :D

[@choonblaze]

Swap those two. Ti is intellect. Te is intelligence. Not too hard. You can look up the definitions.

[@samuelunias673]

Interestingly, I always saw "showing your workings" as a tendency of Ti users. Because it's a form to garantee you're following the principles that were meant to be learned. I see that the difference in what you said and my way of thinkig relies on what is considered to be imposed: the method or the principles.

[@lovewho]

That's a very interesting point. It is indeed the case that Ti users can fall into being strict when in that role of teaching their principles to people ~ Nathan

[@00Klingon]

My ENFP daughter has been getting into trouble with what I suspect is an INTP math teacher for not being able to show her work. She's very smart and gets right answers very quickly, doing it all within her head, but trying to get her to explain how she arrived at the correct answers is like pulling teeth. I'm worried I'm going to have to prove to the teacher she isn't somehow cheating. Such is the nature of Ti trickster with an underdeveloped Te child I think... Ne can be powerful at pattern recognition but not so good at explaining itself.

[@Jonesy3461]

@@00Klingon this is so true! Ti trickster is hard to deal with (I’m an ENFP too) bcuz Ne and Te work so quickly in unraveling ideas (and thus sometimes having the right answer right away) that it’s hard to find out how they arrived at their conclusion

[@madisonseipp1767]

I love this series!

[@lovewho]

Thank you! Feel free to share it with anyone you think would enjoy it ~ Nathan

[@xodroraccoon]

You could also make a video on Ne-Fi vs Ne-Ti or generally the confusing combos. I related to Ti more than Te, but i also relate to Fi a lot so its hard to tell between ENFP or ENTP and the whole ENTPs are cold bullshit really annoys me

[@Raphsophomes]

Te is also concerned with the outside world generally, focusing on aspects of society, rpg games, why they are doing what they are doing in school and seeking to be in control of how they achieve a goal, they arent quick to disregard conventional means of doing things, but they will disregard it the second it proves to limit them in any way. In intjs its more topographical and applied to more personal and conceptual things (looking a lot like ti) in entjs it looks like being exclusively concerned with the external world and achievement, seeking to genuinely help people in order to sooth the feeling of agitation at the stupidity and lack of competence or care in the world (yes entjs care immensely about the world at large usually) in estjs it looks more refined and applied to the immidiate situation, like dynamics between strictures on a smaller scale, a belief that fixing the machine will solve the problems that ripple through its strictures (not always true imo) istjs are like estjs but even more focused down and practical, seeking surprisingly inner peace, and always worrying about others and how they affect eachother and themselves through lack of care. Isfps (me) typically use te when trying to figure out why something gives them an instinctually bad feeling and often trip over theyre words struggling to define the problem they see in a grounded way, they KNOW something is wrong and feel guilt at not being able to convey it properly. In infps it looks like inadequacy and a feeling of not meeting theyre own expectations, feeling like they talk but dont walk. (Dont worry infps your precious and deserve all the good things) esfps and enfps use te almost identically, the difference being what its applied to. See an esfps directness isnt actually se, its tert te, they see every problem and attempt to put it in straightforward terms and will use themselves as tools to experiment and tinker with surprising creativity and accuracy. Do to inf ni, they can SEEM unaware of a bigger series of affects, but compensate with pure willingness to fail. Enfps are similar but its applied to well... ne, which ne is hard to word but im sure you can see where id go with that. I can go into more depth about how i think of your type if youd like, i love this stuff, id make a channel but id get bored and it sounds hard lol

[@bellyfulochelly4222]

Yes, pls do go on. I'm ENFP and I don't understand how it works itself out in us.

[@mirriyastia7041]

Good point, for INTJ the Ti-Te dichotomy is really unclear.

[@Raphsophomes]

@@mirriyastia7041 especially with the way istps use ni, the two are oddly and subtly confused

[@mirriyastia7041]

@@Raphsophomes so there is a point to make a INTJ-ISTP dichotomy?)

[@Raphsophomes]

@@bellyfulochelly4222 my understanding of ne users is very lacking, that whole axis tbh for me as i have a hard time associating it with the correct things, but from what ive seen te in enfps seems to be this ability and willingness to put an idea into action despite the likelihood of failure, they unconsciously see the mere act of trying something as an opportunity to get closer to achieving it, but they arent focused on it actually working like other higher te users. They seem to just have an oddly and uncharacteristically organized approach to things at times when they really really want something especially if theyve seen the mindset in others and know how to trigger it within themselves, although its unconscious and very chaotic lol. A good example is a youtuber named nakeyJake, hes a perfect example of an enfp with well developed and fully conscious te. (Btw im trying to implement yung philosophy into my approach so bare with the seemingly irrelevant context) i think enfps are probably the most frustrated at not being able to grasp theyre own inner mechanisms, so they tend to rely on ne and te to kind of form an imitation of it to comfort themselves very much like isfps but different in the sense that an isfp sees but cannot word, where as an enfp accidentally words perfectly but does not see lmao, so you use te when you need to solve an issue but its very experimental and intuitive (not in the mbti sense but in the traditional sense) so its like if a te user used te like it was se but with the "cause effect" mentality of te, but unlike an esfp your not using yourself as a tool. Your more so using the patterns you see and choosing to judge with te. So your actually rather logical and able to see weakness in an idea or approach unlike your stereotype, infps struggle with this willingness to be wrong or make mistakes although i can see an enfp becoming unhealthy and reckless with the willingness to just thrust into decision making. It probably REALLY rubs ni and si users the wrong way as well as they do NOT want to make unnecessary mistakes. In a way your inf si has more to do with not needing perfection than it does organization or foresight. I admire this immensely btw, as i often feel guilty of being cowardly at times bc i see more problems with taking an action than i do benefits, my ni screams at me and my inf te causes me to misinterpret the patterns so i just avoid decisions and taking dramatic action despite being literally called the "adventurer" although if an opportunity presents in the real world, i become a truer version of myself which enfps seem to be so good at... seriosuly lol, be wary and take pride in this ability to take risks with ideas and decisions, but also take more into consideration for the comfort of those around you lmao

[@shasings]

No one gets it like you do, Nathan!

[@lilyluna4155]

as a kid i always took all the tv remote controls and took them apart just to see how they might work and but them together again. also my mum bought me these sets for kids where you could build a radio or a solar vehicle. i was super excited but i never finished them and these half builded things stood around for years 😅

[@joyblank4507]

Love this video

[@stevedavenport1202]

Yes....true, I had a bit of a Te/Ti disagreement with a former ESTJ boss.. I came up with a Ti method to make our bus washing system more efficient and labor saving, i.e. money saved for company and it only required $150 to implement. His response was, " Nah, system we have in place works fine and we are under budget." Gotta love those ESTJa. I think they invented the phrase "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

[@apollodavis4090]

So....why didn't you say "How much money he could've saved if he invested?"

[@beccangavin]

Me too! I thought of a combination of ways to reduce the time it takes to do our basic department tasks by more than 15 hours a week for two out of the four of us and by 5 hours for the third out of our four individuals which would have given us the time to resume doing tasks we did before our department size was reduced during the pandemic and nobody wanted to do it because the way they saw it, they were already doing ten people’s worth of work. Our department used to have 30 people in it and was reduced to four individuals. Now we only have three individuals in the department and I ended up picking up the fourth person’s work because I’m the most capable of doing that much work…because my processes are better…but they still don’t want to change the way they do things because it works good enough for them. It’s very frustrating.

[@stevedavenport1202]

@@apollodavis4090 I did. The pay off would have been thousands per year for an investment of $150 and very little disruption/training for the new system. Am guessing his boss wasn't going to reward him for doing that, so why bother? I also developed a system to save the company even more money by avoiding the most frequent cause of accidents. The cost was about $1,500 up front in payroll costs for training but would have saved the company $40,000/per year in insurance pay outs.

[@dande_lion]

Probably also: "Never change a running system." ;-)

[@stevedavenport1202]

@@dande_lion Happens all the time. Not all changes are gut wrenching.

[@jillharrison3924]

I’m updating the software of my intellectual toolkit right now!;) Thank you, seriously helpful!! -Ti user

[@lovewho]

Hopefully there aren't too many bugs in this update ~ Nathan

[@amjthe_paleosquare9399]

I commented on the Fe vs. Fi video about this. INTP. I don't know if I'm doing something to develop my Fe (inferior), or if I'm just using a combination of dom Ti and second Ne to understand what people thinks and feels because of brain works in certain ways and makes patterns. What I do know is that Thinking and Intuition make for a timeless motto when trying to describe internally logical processes; My mind is smart, my mouth isn't. Suddenly I forget how to speak and make sentences.

[@RevRideReason]

It gets no more Ti especially Ti dom than "My Way" by Frank Sinatra. ; ) istp

[@lovewho]

Interesting, usually I would think of that song as describing a very Fi sentiment but I agree, it applies to Ti as well! ~ Nathan

[@RevRideReason]

@@lovewho yessir

[@PunkFiddler]

When people say, "It works, as intended", it never ceases to annoy me. I don't settle for that. I must know the why's and how's of it. To a certain degree, I become obssessed in knowing everything about it. No stones get left, untouched.

[@lovewho]

When a person has this tendency I often wonder what the motivation is from their perspective. Of course it could just be curiosity, but is there a functional aspect to it as well, does the person assume that the more they know the better it is: more potential or less risk? Clearly certain types of people (and therefore certain types) don't experience that feeling of diminishing returns when gaining evermore knowledge about something ~ Nathan

[@PunkFiddler]

I prefer to work alone.. and every bit of knowledge i can absorb about a subject, i just have to know. I also find it so fascinating to explore how each piece of the puzzle works. How each output is an input to another. It's like figuring out how the creator thinks. How he approached roadblocks. Refine what i already know. My friends always tell me to stop reinventing the wheel to which i always respond with i just want to know. I feel stupid when i don't get it. And it's really frustrating. Addendum: I am more motivated to work when I have everything available to me, within reach. The thought of being able to use/apply all that I learned is a rush of dopamine.

[@Cinderella-mc8kf]

​@@lovewho i like to know and understand how something works from the scratch,breaking things down,not just the solution or the answer,its understanding where we're coming from and where we're going,so we could build upon that anything else without doubt,idk if that makes sense,ti child here.

[@brandoncheever1897]

Could you please do a video on the Critic functions and how they affect the types?

[@davidschrodt507]

I would love this too. As an intp, I do believe the Ni critic is really more problematic than even my Fe inferior.

[@fernwebber4829]

I saw a great example of this on the ship I worked on last year. There was a junior officer breaking in at the helm who I’m pretty sure was an INTP, and a Chief, teaching him, who I suspect was an ESTJ (or at least a high Te user). The officer spent literally fifteen minutes looking at the radar and just analyzing what he saw, and the entire time the Chief just stood there, looking more and more agitated, until the veins were literally popping out on his neck. Finally he just burst out, “Well, what are you going to DO about it?!?!” The young officer was genuinely surprised at that; he looked up as if noticing the Chief for the first time and said, “I’m getting to that!” :)

[@EFO841]

I also 100% had the same problem in math class. I did much better overall when I realized the important part was understanding the process and not just getting the answer 😅

[@thanhheu4129]

I'm an ISTJ with Te aux. Well, i studied in Electrical Engineering and man, there are so many Ti user which have really high grades and took scholarships of school, a lot xSTPs, there are a few Te dom people and they are great like their stereotypes. Not so many ISTJs like me i guess, maybe they are quite quiet like me. Those ISTP or ESTP pretty much dominant the scholarships of my class, but the one of the top of my whole major? INFJ :) So i'm quite nervous cause those Ti users are really adaptive and quick in action, in drawing subjective logical logic that get to the core, hack the system of the subject. Te users are great too, they are productive 24/7 and create many things, work on multiple projects at once. My dad is an ESTJ, he works at his own level and feels pretty much everyone is slow, well, as he supposed to 😂 He leads his company and employees to do like 4,5 projects all at once. And my colleagues? Well, ISTPs are the dominant type in my dad company. They are real quick on solving technical problems with their Ti Se. And as a Si Te user myself, my friend said I although don't know too many things, but once I get to know one thing, it's gonna be deep. It's because my Si - gathering information like it always does at its best, and draw conclusions and knowledge with Te after a phrase of Si. If only Si and no Te, it's gonna be unbalanced for my psyche and useless Si anyway. Of course i was in awe with the Ti user, xSTP ones. I saw an ISTP friend created his own programming library to use for exam of Microprocessor programming, and even share that library to, probably his ESTP best friend, from not going to class to pass the exam with the ISTP's library. And those ISTPs who do Engineering are at their best at the fields, cause they learn through experiences and gets their hands dirty. Why an ISTJ like me prefer subconsciously to swim in the pool of information, when i get enough of information from Si, it's time to execute it in Te. And it takes quite detailed that my ISTP friend don't agree with this kind of learning ... well, i totally understand those xSTPs values Experience more than Knowledge ... Ah well, i go too far, it's the different between Si and Se anyway 😂 In a project of my dad's company, my dad give the instructions of how to basically interact with the product in the simplest way - a procedure step by step for the end user to use it easily. And the ISTP personels coding the PLC codes and creates pages by pages of HMI due to the instructions of my ESTJ dad - aka the director 😀 Well.. it's a lot of different and i can pick a lot of examples in my life anyways about how incredible everyone is 👏

[@benjaminharmon6541]

I'm an ISTP and I love this comment because I'm going into that field myself lol. The course materials really do feel like they were designed for someone like me, and I get to exercise my strengths and be appreciated for them. However, I'm always impressed by every ISTJ I've encountered in my life. Once they know something, it's just stored forever and they accumulate an insane amount of information to use. They remember tiny details like it's nothing, and you never know when that detail will be useful. It makes them seem very sharp! I can only remember something if I do the hard Ti-Ni work of breaking it down into its essence and incorporate it into my "code," so to speak, so that I don't really HAVE to remember it. It just becomes part of how I understand the world. If I don't go out and use my Se, I'm basically useless and can't learn anything.

[@nerysghemor5781]

Thank you for posting this. I'm on a project currently that is being led by an ENTP and understanding the difference here helps me understand more about why sometimes we butt heads. I not only have Te as my inferior function, but I was raised by Te doms and have almost NO Ti anywhere in my family that I can figure. I'm always coming from, "What is the end result of this? Is that effective? What does the empirical data say?" and consider it my job to move according to the evidence. Or as I call it, "Do you REALLY want to have an argument with the universe??? Because if you try that, you'll lose." Ti is difficult for me to get my head around because it feels like putting way too much stock in an unproven hypothesis. I may find your hypothesis interesting (Ne!) but until the data comes in, it's unsettled for me. I tend to associate Te with the scientific method in that you are always pushing to prove/disprove, and then implement your findings.

[@lovewho]

Projects are often frustrating for that reason. Inevitably there'll be some area in which people's natural clashes of perspective will come into focus. Usually the best way to do well in such projects is to make sure each person is contributing in a way that feels natural to them whilst also, as you already seem to be doing, making sure that things are always moving forward and being evaluated in terms of the final outcome ~ Nathan

[@nerysghemor5781]

@@lovewho Since I’m not the leader I don’t get to have as much control over the project flow (sometimes frustrating when Ti seems to chase its own tail 🤣). But what was funny was when it came to her having to turn in a formal project calendar she actually asked ME for a sanity check and to walk through the process of setting achievable due dates. Any ESTJ would probably think it’s absolutely hilarious to ask an INFP for that, but I guess you have to use the resources available even when the functions aren’t running in the order you’d expect!!! 🤣 She probably asked me because I practically had to wring a due date out of her with pliers earlier in the project. (Something I run into often with an ESFJ project lead too. It must be an Fe-Ti axis thing!)

[@purplemind93]

Me a person with Te as my fourth slot and Ti as my last, is quite fascinated with "how stuff works". There was a time when I was super into understanding the climate zones and how weather works where I live (some places don't have weather really). So long as it's a subject I'm fascinated with, I can read a lot about it. But I'm often also satisfied with the bigger picture, the rough brush strokes and then I might become bored of the details and simply like to experiment or speculate the rest myself. Like putting together a table from IKEA for example (pretty easy stuff that is). A hobby of mine is ranking the books I read and for that I use a standardized chart as a base, but I change the variables to suit my own standards, what I deem are important factors when rating a book. So on goodreads you can if you want follow their own system of just choosing between 1-5 stars, but before I do that I put the book through my own ranking system and then calculate how many stars that result would equal as. I thought for a while that I used Ti because of this, but I think it's very much Fi/Te. It works for me. I do become irritated sometimes that the system isn't flawless and I've considered trying to figure out how to make it just so. But in the end it doesn't trigger me enough.

[@lovewho]

Ok now I'm curious which books you'd recommend... If you haven't already feel free to check out the lovewho discord server, feel free to find me on there if you do so I can get a reading list update from you! ~ Nathan

[@purplemind93]

@@lovewho oh I'd be happy to. I joined the discord a while back but didn't really understand it unfortunately. I could refer you to my goodreads instead? Been slacking with my reviews lately though...

[@beingsomeone201]

my infp friend sometimes amused of me, my ti like linking a part of study making 20% less work, entp me also uses te ti both

[@christineherrmann205]

As I spend the morning working on a story chapter, and yelling at myself that I should have outlined it better, first, or at LEAST finished the previous chapter. But sometimes I need to work out of order just to stay motivated. For me, it's also always the struggle to find internal validation when I haven't had external validation in order to put in the work. Sometimes I think trying to develop my Ti is a lost cause. Just to sit and think something through is... exhausting. If I can't get my process into a useful form, it bugs the crap out of me. Very, very apropos: "Ti gives suggestions, Te gives directions." Without my job, I sometimes think I wouldn't have developed much Ti at all. And yes, ENFJ. Writing is actually one place where I most feel the difference between being an ENFJ and whenever I start to suspect I'm actually an INFJ. Stupid Ti.

[@lovewho]

Being able to detach from that need for external validation in creative pursuits is very difficult indeed! It can make you impatient if you're not careful, that's particularly true when it comes to online content creation ~ Nathan

[@umummiii4759]

Its getting quite clear to me why I didnt understand most excercises in school when i was a Child. I had to ask a lot of questions about one thing back then. Now in my late twenties I happy there is nothing wrong with me. I was seen as slow or even dumb that time. But when i translated Te way to Ti, the teacher was quite interested the way I thought. I have almost an Te anxiety, as an infj its so difficult to understand it. This is the reason why my husband and I, say the same thing, but only in other way. He is an Estj. Sometimes just wanted to be like him but yeah life..

[@elishawomack]

I've been commonly typed as an ENTP by most tests but I spend most of my time in the analysis paralysis trying to find the best or most efficient solution. I related heavily to that bit about your INTJ student and I've been trying to type myself by function now instead of just leaning into the mode of the results.

[@lovewho]

It takes a long time for some people to figure out their type. Sometimes the more you look into it the more confused you can be. I’d recommend stepping back and thinking more broadly about yourself: your strengths and weaknesses etc. I’d also ask other people in your life to describe you and see what archetype that matches up with best ~ Nathan

[@elishawomack]

@@lovewho one thing that I have picked up on is that my behavior doesn't match what I want to do 90% of the time because of my ADHD. I'm also extremely Fi motivated. I'm not comfortable using it around others but I am able to access Fe if I need to. Most of my struggle in life atm is trying to find something for my Fi to latch onto so my Te can pursue it and make it real. I don't have anything that I want and I'm not as Fe or Ti oriented as the ENTP in general because the only reason I tend to utilize any Ti is in order to understand how to pursue it with Te or if I even care about it. I've been looking into the CPT view of MBTI and it's helped me a little too. It's pretty interesting and you may enjoy it. Thanks for the advice! I'll try to gather some more data from people I know.

[@CMI946]

@@elishawomack Sounds exactly like me - ADHD as well. Have you found your type/cognitive functions yet?

[@elishawomack]

@@CMI946 I currently believe myself to be an ENTJ as I utilize Te more regularly than anything else. I process everything from collective rationality, not internal logic. I definitely use Ni and Se with my work and creative projects and I suppress my Fi.

[@CMI946]

@@elishawomack How interesting, because lately I've been leaning towards ENTJ/INTJ/ESTJ/ISTJ myself. I heavily agree with "my behavior doesn't match what I want to do 90% of the time because of my ADHD". I feel like it goes against my nature, because I want everything done in the best/efficient way possible. I'm not exactly sure of my cognitive functions as I can see myself in every function. But I was wondering if whether the fact that when thinking about, let's say MBTI, I have to actually research it in the moment to aid my understanding of and actively think about it. If I just try to think about it in my head I really don't make much progress. Doesn't that seem more like Te than Ti? How does suppressed Fi show up?

[@DeChatill0n]

Alright seems legit

[@caua7007]

I think that Ti is more like think logically by yourself and Te is using the logic in external world, therefore, it prepares and takes action or analyse for a more detached viewpoint, both are objective, but the logical framework used by Ti is internal (like philosophy) and Te is external (like science).

[@binge_k.t.y.n1663]

Wish you could type Yuuji Itadori from Jujutsu kaisen anime, cuz I really think that he's isfp fi>Se instead of esfp se>fi

[@user-up9jf1jq2w]

Yes, clearly am a Ti user, although in me it is not the primary function. Enjoying using it actually. I define as an INFJ

[@gokulhemanthkumar4556]

I'm kinda confused. I kinda relate to both. But I get INTP more often though, in online tests. Weird. I always look for the most efficient and easiest way to get a result, but end up questioning my own created system so much that I don't get anything done lmao. I really related to what your Piano student said. Learning the most important techniques in the most efficient way would be the best bang for the buck. But the thing is, during that process, I keep questioning whether this is the most efficient way, and then keep modifying it, until I go crazy and just stop. Haha. I guess I'm just not a healthy version of any type.

[@jane1891]

When doing a quick mental math problem I just feel and blurt out an answer. So far I’ve never gotten one wrong and I’m in my forties. The problem comes afterward, when someone asks “how?” Then you have to go back and clumsily redo the whole problem all over again because you haven’t actually given the ‘how’ any though, before blurting it out. Soooo, I suppose other than for my own personal use, my Ti isn’t actually all that useful within the highly restrictive framework of this particular reality we exist in. “You can’t be correct unless you’re being correct in the exact ways we say you must be correct” -kinda thing.

[@dashichaconnenow]

I have a suggestion for a video. Could you give advices on how to choose a job based on mbti? I've been thinking a lot on "how to enter in the field", and I'm sure cognitive functions could give me a lot of clarity about it. Tysm.

[@lovewho]

I think I might have done a video on this even though I can't remember what the title of it is... ~ Nathan

[@FlashBangBANGz]

8:20 Dude This is exactly what happened to me. Also I just got the time wrong twice. I wish editing my comments was on option on this phone.

[@astericks53]

Are you a Ti type? Because now that you mention it you use a lot of these “nuggets” of ideas, like “does it work vs does it make sense” i can almost feel the eureka of capturing quintessence in a mental system with multiple moving parts, and at the center of it all, being aware of all of the moving parts at once and having this intuitional rule that aligns with actual words

[@DawnFire05]

Makes me realize I definitely am a Te user. Been questioning if it’s a Te/Si combo, or just Ti, but this video absolutely explains how I’m using Te. Honestly to the point that I’m questioning if I’m actually an ENFP instead of an INFP. I am autistic so this may affect how I present and utilize Te, but I’m always using Te. I love evolution, understanding it in these nice neat categories, it’s just how my brain thinks. Understanding anatomy when I’m drawing, I focus on my outline because I like to study those strong shapes in my references over mulling over the little details. And in my book I’m currently writing I’m researching stuff like mental illness, writing huge profiles and how they apply to my character, then looking at each different profile and finding connecting points and where I can apply certain behaviors or reactions towards my characters. It’s all outside of me, it’s on the page. I just…. Feel like I use Te a lot more than for it to be an inferior function. But I’m very much INFP everywhere else. Honestly sometimes I question INTP because my Te/Si definitely comes off like Ti a lot, and I question ENFP because I just feel like my Te is stronger than my Si. I also have memory problems, though, so I wonder if that impacts the value of my Si. Am I an ENFP, or am I an INFP with autism and memory problems? If I’m really an ENFP I’m definitely a *seriously* introverted one.

[@NatJuno]

I like to think of Ti as dissecting things. Te is compiling.

[@GrandDenilay]

I love your video

[@lovewho]

I’m glad to hear it! ~ nathan

[@Nashid77]

I just removed myself from a project (cinematographer) because of a Ti vs Te situation with the director. This hits home.

[@waitstill7091]

Ti should inform Te and Te should validate Ti

[@mjprozac]

I believe that I use Ti and my husband Te. A big difference between the two of us is that he will read an article and accept the information he gains from that article as fact and seems content that the person cited is an expert and knows better than him. I cannot simply accept information as true until I run it through my own logical framework and decide if it makes sense. I am far less deferential to experts (I hate people like this when _I_ am the expert, btw, so I'm definitely not bragging here). I also can only get about two steps into written instructions before I lose focus and start figuring it out for myself. I probably also have mild ADHD, so it may be a focus issue, but I wonder if that's not also my Ti. At work, we've been encouraged to use templates for our case notes. I seem incapable of doing this because I feel like it's too inaccurate. Thankfully I'm a quick typist and good writer so I can write up new notes for each case and still keep up with the speed that's expected of me.

[@conradsmith9441]

I'm so obviously an XNTP. (probably ENTP) learning about the functions has really helped me understand myself.

[@mocha6315]

Watching this makes me realize that this world revolves around Te users, generally

[@cutehugeyacht]

Re the INTJ, piano student example: I have another perspective on this. I believe this kind of exhaustive researching of the “best” or “modest correct” way to do things can come from Ne’s perfectionism and habit of “thinking about doing things rather than actually doing them”, coupled with Si’s insecurity about details and consistency. My belief is that when you see a neurotic, or almost-stereotyped example of a function in a person’s behaviour, it’s often compensation for a cognitive function they lack. In this example, ENTP doesn’t have Te, so you may see them researching the best methods, the best organisation systems, etc. etc. without ever actually doing any real work. This can also happen when Ti isn’t very well developed OR after discouraging experiences at school or work where a lot of systems are very “Te”-oriented. So energy that should be spent building up an INTERNAL framework is instead directed towards trying to find the “perfect” EXTERNAL one. I think Te should be more effortless for those who actually have it high up in their stack. Anyway, just a theory.

[@lovewho]

I have indeed seen this kind of thing from high Ne users yes. They're constantly being struck by new potential ways of doing things. That in itself is a form of perfectionism when they start thinking the newest idea might be the best one and throw out previous approaches. That's definitely a fascinating overlap between Ni and Ne. Thank you for this comment! ~ Nathan

[@dbrown2746able]

My son is an istp a friend is estj. This video is very accurate they both drive me crazy(infj)

[@lovewho]

As an INFJ I'm sure you have your craziness quite well hidden ~ Nathan

[@FrownyMascot]

🔥🔥🔥

[@milkyshakes]

3:25 this is exactly right- imo I think functions working together is what allows us to use functions we don't have. For example- TI/Ne weirdly can manifest as Te when a TI/Ne uses deduction to come up with a single standard based on their current logical framework ON different perspectives of a concept/idea/situation. The difference is that it is a much slower and intentional process because it is quite literally feels like sifting for gold and melting it into one solid bar.

[@prof.reuniclus21]

As an INTJ, I have a similar experience. Ni/Te looks a LOT like Ti superficially. Our Ni is so laser-focused on this one ideal concept that our Te can’t just be “good enough”.

[@rogerhuggettjr.7675]

I faced the stupidity of "show your work" teachers in elementary school. we learned something new in math and thought the way I was shown was clumsy and did it a way that made sense to me. I was told I had to do it the book's way. The next week we learned it my way. When I asked why I couldn't do it the more efficient way from the start she said that if we didn't do it with the extra steps I wouldn't understand the process I had already showed I understood. Clearly a Te user unable to accept anything other than what the system told them was true in the face of the fact I didn't need things dumbed down for me.

[@XAEX12]

as an ENTP i never understood the that Ti users rather break things down and building it all over again to understand until i realized that i was doing it for example when someone give a description for a place i rather go there by myself to internalized it rather than just follow the description and this symbolizes the "breaking of something and building it all over again"

[@AbderrahmanTiri]

Is it possible that my Ti critical parent dominates my Te aux one? Also, great video as always, helped me better understand how both of Ts work!

[@tanayasiripoon9822]

I envy Ti users. They are so cool, but I still love my Te directness. Why can’t I have both?!!😜😘 -ENFP

[@dande_lion]

Haha, same.

[@aprilhelm518]

It sounds accurate that Te wants things to be figured so they can be used, i.e. once they're usable, everyone can just use the same thing and not worry about reinventing the wheel every time someone else needs to use it again. If someone has already made it, good since I don't have to now... Everything is built up pretty high anyway, so good luck to any one person trying not to rely on it. Imo, a good way to know if you have Te or Ti is look at how you use feeling. For me, having Fe blind makes it more clear to me that way. And I noticed even Ti doms have a tendency, whenever they use feeling, to treat it like an objective truth that everyone kind of is supposed to be on the same page. For Te, having Fi, we treat emotions as a private thing that we pay attention to to develop our own personal sense of values, and often other people don't see that we're doing that until we come out with Fi convictions. Granted, whether we want it to or not, Fi is there in the background, making us care about things even if Te doesn't think those emotions are doing anything useful.

[@top10anime85]

You're definitely I ti user if u have already watched many videos about ti vs te but still watch more just for fun/ to find mistakes -ENTP

[@sofi6014]

do anyone know where can i find good information about mbti? like some book or page that i can read

[@moonglow5808]

Can you make a video on Ne cos I keep getting told mines good which sounds nice but I feel like i could really appreciate the compliment properly if I knew what Ne was😊😂 thank you ⭐️✨

[@lovewho]

So there is a video on Ne somewhere on the channel… but good luck finding it… ~ Nathan

[@moonglow5808]

@@lovewho found it🥰🆒🐀

[@heatherbryant4197]

"It implies that high Ti users don't take actions on things... Obviously that's wrong" ... bold of you to assume 😅

[@ironicfist399]

"[INTP] don't care much for Se and Fe, which are two functions that get you out of your head, and sometimes OUT OF YOUR ROOM" 🥁🥁🥁tsss!

[@kejewa]

Subscribe, should you wish? Well we know what kind of thinking you prefer, Nathan. My husband and I are both ni doms. Probably the main area we clash (and there are not many) would be thinking. I definitely see the value of te, but it still irks me because of its lack of concern for accuracy and the fact that most of us INFJs don't like being 'strongly advised' about what to do.

[@lovewho]

That's a funny thought since INFJs often find themselves in the position of advisor, maybe the advisee role is less enjoyable as a result! ~ Nathan

[@kejewa]

@@lovewho I suspect it is about how the advice is presented sometimes :-) INFJs lean heavily on that fe when offering advice. Having said all that, INTJ advice is usually pretty good, even if the packaging lacks the fe subtlety.

[@PicassosSister-rj5zp]

I think of Ti like how dating simulators work. Ti users tend to think of people like numbers. I don't know if that makes any sense.

[@JustGotALife]

Idk if you'd reply to this since it's been a year. But in the example of piano student you gave. You said students who are high Te specifically "INTJ". But intj's dom is "Ni" not "Te" , right? @7:50

[@elmehdisaniss2731]

What about an Infj using his Ti in a Tech world, what is the manifest part of me. They told me in work that I am very quite !

[@danniscarb.9853]

can u do a vid about each cog function in different areas of the cog stack and how it acts in each mbti type EX: Ti (dom) Ti(aux) Ti(Tert) Ti( inf) etc.

[@apollodavis4090]

" " two different inverted commas in your text...sorry it was bothering me 😂 Great video btw

[@englishmuffin7]

Yep, this confirms it, I'm definitely a Te dom

[@haeun7180]

My brother is an ESFP and I've noticed that his Se dominance with Te is... explosive 🤭 Tbh, I love to see it. 😊 A funny story to see how Te vs Ti works is what happened between my brother, me (ENTP), and my husband (INFJ)... And even my mom, who I'm still trying to type but I think she might be an XSFJ. Anw, my brother kept telling us that we should eat more healthily, eat less meat, talking to us about the documentaries he has watched about how animals are treated. He isn't a vegetarian, but he rarely eats meat. It was really like you said, "you should do this." But ofc, me and my husband we need more, as Ti users we need a strong reason to do smth, we need reasons to do it. So it wasn't until we watched a documentary about how eating less meat is actually highly beneficial to your body, with proof - research, blood tests, people explaining how they feel now, etc etc - that we changed our diet. After that, we told him that we watched that documentary and we were going to do it he immediately said "See? I told you! You didn't want to listen to me." The cliché "I told you so!" 😂 So, my suggestion, to make a Ti user do anything, explain to them why they should do it. Give them reasons, even logical proof if you can. Just telling them they should do it, it's not gonna cut it. In a workplace, we might do it, but we won't be motivated enough. We need a logical reason to do things!

[@lovewho]

Epic comment! ~ Nathan

[@nicoleni7192]

could you say the name of the documentary? I am interested in watching that. Personally, I eat meat every meal, namely chicken. I used to mainly eat fish but in our meals, there is always chicken or like lamb, so I eat it due to availability. What I'm saying is I eat the meat due to its availability but I'm fine with eating mainly fish as meat, which is why I'm interested in this documentary - agree with you in that it will give me strong reasons and proof on rationales of why I should eat little meat. Also, not very important, but interesting and contradictory to how the Te user was arguing for a little meat, & u & the INFJ were eating the meat regularly. I am the INFJ who says we should eat little meat, for environmental reasons(that I am educated on). INTJ brother always requests & eats steak whenever he comes back for his breaks from school - Fi causation. ESTJ dad + same INTJ brother or heavy meat eaters. What I'm saying is that which personality types are arguing what is reversed in my case, and I honestly don't think it has any CAUSATION with Te, but possibly CORRELATION & interlinked with a myriad of reasons. Of course, not Strongly caused by Te because in general males eat more meat than females (in some cases a lot more). To clarify, although both Te users in my family are aware of the environmental reasons, they eat meat for the protein amount and nutrition - outweighing environmental, and not worth the inconvenience and worse taste of non meat protein (beans, tofu, soy, etc) than meat protein.