Cold Waters - We're Going To Need Another Boat

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[@mavi525]

Jingles thank you expanding my vocabulary. I now inform people that my walking farts are in fact me cavitating from moving so fast!

[@Bonsai138]

Made my day :D

[@FARBerserker]

Of course it does. Cavitation means forming a cavity out of air under water through movement. That is what is happening to the propellers. And in fact, is not what is loud. The LOUD part is those bubbles actually imploding in on themselves due to water pressure.

[@jefffierheller8939]

Water vapour, not air. The screw speed drops the local pressure enough to allow the water to vapourize, then instantly condense back into liquid as it moves off the screw surface.

[@mavi525]

Wow I made a fart joke, kicked off a science debate and learned a bit on the internet! I think I may have found my superpower. If anyone needs me I will be trying to make fart jokes on Climate Change videos! ;)

[@SubBrief]

This might be the hardest mission in the game.

[@denneledoe873]

i was like, if jive turkey didn't comment here, ill eat my hat.

[@Eri76]

Dennis Blokhuis bon appetit, lass

[@rykehuss3435]

Jive Turkey Its not. Hardest missions are the Spetznas stealth missions. Impossible currently.

[@Tylaris1]

Jive and Jingles both - I struggled with this mission until I discovered a trick to it. First, sink that first surface vessel, then move to the position of it's wreck (within 20 meters off either side parallel). Because it makes so much noise, it will mask your presence. Even when you fire off your TLAMs and attract the aircraft to your position, they won't be able to get a fix on you sitting silent next to that noisy wreck. They may (50/50) drop torpedoes into the water, but those are far more likely to target the wreck than you. In my testing with this method, I've only had torpedoes dropped in once (x2 torpedoes), and both targeted the wreck over me in spite of having me in their seeker field first. As for the TLAMs, you don't actually target the naval base. Fire them all into the center of that circle on the map, and when the missiles reach that circle, they will guide in from there onto their intended targets, and you won't need to carry more than the required number of TLAMs (additional TLAMs will end up hitting targets that have already been hit.) If all goes well, after you fire off the TLAMs, the aircraft will close to your position, fail to get a fix on you, then clear off far enough for you to exit the mission (job done).

[@Malkuth-Gaming]

Inserting a SEAL team into Archangelsk is a bit trickier... especially when you enter the minefield... and with only 1 torpedo left to defend yourself with :D

[@DerpyPenguin4747]

Good job sinking the entire soviet navy. HOWEVER THIS WAS NOT YOUR MISSION

[@Hairysteed]

"Dammit, seaman! I told you to get me a cup of coffee and you go out winning the whole war for us AND HERE I STILL AM WITHOUT MY GODDAMN COFFEE!!!"

[@MrDieing]

Just to shed some extra light on the cavitating for whoever is interested, when your propellor spins it creates a low pressure zone directly where the propellor blade ends. At lower pressures, water boils at a lower temperature, something a lot of people dont actually know. So when the water boils, it steam releases, and there you have your bubbles. The bubbles then pop because thats what bubbles do, and that popping is exactly what creates so much sound. When you go deeper the water pressure increases and therefore also the boiling point of the water, making you able to spin your propellor faster.

[@LtCWest]

I did not know that so I thank you for broadening my knowledge about physics ^^

[@djgodden]

You can still cavitate at depth if you're not careful. The clue you're listening to a deep subsurface contact cavitating is the sound of compressed cav. Very unique sound.

[@apainintheaas]

Thank you

[@MannyXVIII]

Though that doesn't explain the chipping damage on propellers that run with cavitation. Water fills cavitations much faster than it forms it, meaning the water rushing back into that lower pressure area is moving faster than the propeller. That trick can be used to blast off the bottom of a glass bottle when you hit it hard from above. The bottle moves down a little but the water's inertia leaves it behind forming the low pressure cavitation bubble. A fraction of a second later the water overcomes it's inertia and rushes back with a multiple of the speed the bottle was moving, slamming into the bottom of the glass container and ripping it clean off. Cavitation isn't just loud. It is destructive.

[@robertfousch2703]

Don't think you are realizing it, but when you rig for ultra quiet, if you notice in the info scroll, you lose it by the maneuvering actions you're taking almost immediately. So when you comment "first thing is I rig the boat for ultra quiet", you've lost that almost immediately due to the maneuvers you're making. See the messages above the panel on the right...clear as day. Ultra quiet only sticks if you adhere to the conditions for which it can apply.

[@gopipo123]

btw you are supposed to aim the TLAMs into that blue circle, from where they proceed to execute their preprogrammed mission ;)

[@6105boe]

"Well done, but that was not your mission objective." - What I say to my BB teammates in WoWS when they sink a ship while camping at the map border away from all caps and others.

[@entropiated9020]

Jingles! I have advice for TLAM missions (not that I think you'll read it). I have successfully completed this mission a number of times, and have been recognized on Jive Turkey's channel as (temporarily) having the high score to beat. Succeed at TLAM missions by doing the following: 1 - after mission starts, pick a course toward the blue target circle and set a speed of 10kts. 2 - time compress for a few minutes so you can get a bit closer and load the tubes with TLAMs (if you haven't already) 3 - change your course by 180 degrees and come up to launch depth 4 - FIRE ZE MISSILES! 5 - immediately go to flank speed and reload your tubes with TLAMs 6 - when your tubes are loaded, drop back down to a safe launch speed 7 - FIRE ZE MISSILES! 8 - Flank speed again, but this time change your course. Reload tubes with TLAMs (if you have to fire any more) or torps. 9 - continue at flank for a while, then slow to 1/3 to listen for anybody chasing you. Continue alternating until you can leave combat. This technique was effective even at Elite difficulty.

[@entropiated9020]

My main point is that cavitating during this mission isn't the end of the world. It's not like the SEAL insertion mission where you have to drive all the way to the blue circle, so remaining undetected is a must. Just fire ze missiles and then boogie. This mission shouldn't take more than 5-10 mins and you can laugh at all the ineffectual torp drops behind you as you run.

[@jacc13b10]

Mathieu Gallant can I download this game from Internet for free !??

[@amshermansen]

No...

[@cyberpunkprussian]

FIRE ZE MISSILES!!!!

[@SolarisMaximus]

I really enjoy these episodes. I always end up falling asleep before the end though, it's so relaxing listening to Jingles while he plays.

[@jay6400]

So when you say cavitation is the formation of bubbles under water that can be heard for miles, I'm guessing dropping a silent but deadly while swimming off the south east coast of England could result in an intimate meeting with a USET 80 if you were at war with Russia?

[@Dzharek]

depends on the ammount of beans and the vibration of your buttocks.

[@vukpsodorov5446]

or if you're very unlucky, you might get an SS-N-16 coming your way to drop a SET-65.

[@CrescentSickle]

Bit of an expanded explanation for cavitation: EDIT: Credit to Madness 1.0 and Jesse Lei for pointing out that the cavitation of marine propellers are indeed vapor bubbles and not strictly vacuum bubbles. From some additional research I did, it looks like they are strictly vapor bubbles, and not vacuum bubbles that have a bit of vapor seep into them before they collapse. I dealt with cavitation in a strictly vacuum "bubble" sense, and so my understanding of the situation was flawed. Therefore, I'm deleting the previous explanation (because it's wrong), and I'd like to direct everyone to Jesse Lei's comment elsewhere in the comment section. Apologies for the misinformation, folks.

[@CrescentSickle]

What's wrong with my explanation? I did see another post that claimed that the bubbles were caused by the generation of steam due to pressure zones... but I'm pretty sure that's called supercavitation, and isn't what gives propellers away on sonar.

[@steweygrrr]

Cavitation isn't just a noise hazard either, the miniature plasma explosion generated from the bubble imploding is enough to damage the propeller blades of submarines and surface vessels if maintained over time. Ofc this is more an issue for targets...sorry, surface vessels because they spend more time moving at a speed and depth that is likely to cause cavitation for longer periods of time purely because of their mode of operation.

[@alganhar1]

Pistol Shrimps (Alpheida) use cavitation as a weapon. Pretty interesting little animals, their striking appendage is held in a locked position like the hammer of a pistol by what is effectively a biological latch and ratchet system. When it strikes the latch is released and the hammer strikes the other part of the claw so fast it causes cavitation. This cavitation is quite literally enough to kill small fish and even break small glass jars. These little critters can play merry hell with sonars as well. They are *seriously* loud. Despite their size they compete with Sperm and Beluga Whales for the title of loudest animal in the sea. the cavitation bubble can reach temperatures of 5000 Kelvin and produce up to 218 decibels! So yeah, cavitation is *seriously* loud... hard on propellars as well! EDIT: Having been a Marine Biologist for almost 30 years I know more about the beasties than Cavitation :). Pistol Shrimps are not my favourite Crustaceans (that goes to Mantis Shrimps), but they are close. Amazing little animals.

[@CrescentSickle]

Madness 1.0 Ah, did some more research, and it turns out that, very specifically, the cavitation bubbles generated by marine props are vapor-only bubbles, not vacuum bubbles like most cavitation, nor vacuum bubbles that vapor diffuses into before collapse. My mistake. I appreciate the correction.

[@davidburroughs7068]

Madness 1.0 ....another excellent resource for this historical timepoint: harpgamer.com/harpforum/index.php?/topic/3605-tactics-101-anti-submarine-warfare-part-3/

[@ryanliu1516]

Jingles you launched the TLANs wrong 😂 You launch the missiles into the blue circle :D

[@SadenIsWatchin]

No you don't. You launch from the blue circle. always.

[@SadenIsWatchin]

Oh crap, I remember now. Sorry mate.

[@sharinggore3013]

i second that notion its true tomahawk missile are long range weapons they are already load with theyre missions targets thats why you launch them in the blue circle to activated theyre targeting parameters

[@lernaeanhydra5766]

Yea you need to launch into the blue circle and then the missiles guide themselves into the specific targets. Its a bit counter intuitive but that's how its modeled at the moment.

[@danburrill8716]

It's worth mentioning that the 'bubbles' in cavitation are full of low pressure water vapour, and the water that rushes in to fill them can do so at supersonic speeds, hence the large amount of noise. It's not very relevant to the immediate chances of surviving an encounter, but cavitation can also cause significant erosion to the screw and surrounding stern gear. That's the context I normally come across it as a marine surveyor dealing with small pleasure vessels.

[@mobius8407]

The Mighty Jingles When you have a TLAM, near mission objective is a circle where your TLAM need to be aimed. From there your TLAM start the ground strike. So, besides not checking for targets and wrong S1 classification, you missed those two TLAMs as well xD

[@TankJack]

I served on the Augusta, how cool!

[@Ulfbercht]

That was 20 minutes, it sure went by fast.

[@ViktorMartin113]

My favourite cold waters from you yet! Jingles don't change, ever, please (in regards to the beginning)

[@copee2960]

Jingles please do more of these vids, the way you play this game is sooo much more fun than the way jive turkey plays, I love the near misses and of coarse your no bullshit commentary.

[@m3w]

The military history lessons in your videos are wonderful. Thank you!

[@FIGGYPWNS]

This is my favorite jingles series. I hope he does a ton more. I love it.

[@hippiemd1978]

Jingles, I've only been watching your videos for a few years. Bu I just wanted to tell you that you do help make my day every time I watch one of your videos. Thank you very much for doing what you do.

[@stoddern]

Cavitation more specifically is when a propeller spins fast enough to create a low pressure zone on the back side of each blade, this low pressure allows the water to boil. the deeper the boat the greater the water pressure the higher the boiling point. Cavitation will cause damage over time, this is most commonly seen in water pumps and even in wet sleeve diesel engines.

[@idmooseman]

+The Mighty Jingles This game is awesome. I love simulators of this type. I am so glad +Tech Deals informed me of your channel a while back. The last submarine simulator I played was "The Hunt for Red October" and I thought that was fantastic at the time. This simulator blows "THfRO" out of the water, (pun intended...my apologies). I will be looking for more episodes of this series from you. Thank you.

[@Hangar-zu8xg]

jingles, more of this please. one of the few games thats really suspenseful to watch.

[@infidel1993]

Just an FYI Jingles, you can switch to active sonar on your torpedo after launch and, as long as it maintains a wire, the pings will continue to update your own firing solution.

[@Pixienezzify]

The music score in this game is insanly on point, very impressed.

[@DocHoliday1612]

I must say, you reached a new high in that series, Jingles. It's so downright entertaining and fun to watch.

[@reefta]

allways happy to see such video in the air!

[@angelofmalice0]

At the moment these are my favourite jingles videos, keep it up I look forward to seeing what kind of trouble you can get into next time..

[@MattAlisch]

Cavitation is basically boiling the water around the prop (due to pressure differential instead of temperature...temp and pressure are related). It's loud because the little bubbles of boiled water (gas) collapse on themselves when the pressure allows and each little one makes a big pop.

[@Flambass]

Oh Jingles don't ever change

[@scrubs8110]

I love this series so bad, I wanna see this daily if not every other day

[@jekubfimbulwing5370]

So Romeo imploded and Juliet buggered off? It all went very Shakespearean very quickly!

[@SuperDeathgun]

Shall I tell you another mistake you made? when you tried to fire your TLAMs at the target you're supposed to put the activation point on the blue circle in front of it not on the base itself. so those missile strikes wouldn't have counted either way.

[@outlawbf3]

i miss these series! So relaxing and cozy to watch. Please make some new content on this :)

[@connorrobinson7486]

Love this series Jingles, quickly becoming my favorite on KZbin, keep it up!

[@anttihuhtala5840]

More of these please. I love this series of videos!

[@bartorus007]

Keep Cold Waters series going its great!

[@Seahorn_]

cavitating: a propellor is creating an vacuum on the foreside of the propellor blade. That vacuum can be so great that it creat vacuum bubbles on the tips of the blade (the water is simply not quick enough to fill the vacuum). The vacuum bubbles create noise when they implode (and it is also bad for the propellor as it causes damages to the propellor). Generally: the faster a propelor turns the greater the vacuum created, the more you cavitate (or have the change to cavitate when you are in a fancy submarine with specialy designed propellors).

[@lauri.99]

I love this game pls dont stop making this series. I still love all what you do Jingles :)

[@mattdobz]

Typically a land strike mission triggers when you're 100nmi away from the target, yet the tomahawk's range is around 900nmi. You must immediately launch your tomahawks and then book it to deep water. This mission is not suitable for an attack submarine, unless it has VLS.

[@ZGryphon]

+mattdobz And this mission is set ~8 months before the first 688 boat with VLS was commissioned, so...

[@lernaeanhydra5766]

Then again desperation in previous wars certainly has led to vehicles being forced into grossly different roles than what they were designed for. For example the German Dornier schnell bomber being converted into a horrible heavy fighter due to a lack of interceptors. So certainly there is a precedent for sending vehicles on borderline suicide missions if the objective is critical enough to make it worth the risk.

[@luctous]

mattdobz my thought as well. wasn't sure when 688i flight was put to see though.

[@lernaeanhydra5766]

1988, 4 years after the campaign takes place, hence the lack of them.

[@singingtoad]

Thank-you for introducing me to Jive Turkey's channel, Mr. Jingles. However, you're Cold Waters videos are much more funny. ;-)

[@spud3149]

Loving these cold waters videos jingles. Great work

[@Straswa]

Another awesome vid Jingles, really enjoying this series of yours.

[@CommanderManMan]

really enjoying these cold water videos

[@jamescabrie7952]

I have no idea why I watch these...I am not a fan of sub sims, but dammit Jingles, you manage to take a game/subject matter and make it so damn interesting (and entertaining) even though it doesnt appeal to me. Please continue making more of these.

[@yellowmonkee0]

Cavitation is a phenomenon where the rotation of the propeller blades generate, by moving the water away from them, low pressure areas around the edge of the blades. Pressure determines the boiling point of water. At sea level it's 100° C at lower pressures the boiling point lowers as well. In the case of a ship propeller it creates boiling water at the edges of the blade with popping bubbles and lots of noise. Another known effect of cavitation bubbles is that their bursting actually has kinetic energy and with time will create pitting on the propeller and reduce it's efficacy.

[@Kwodlibet]

Easiest way to experience cavitation is with your home's water pipes - especially in old houses. Whenever they make weird booming noise because you run the taps - that is cavitation as pipes vibrate in such a way that bubbles of water vapour form. Cavitation as a process has an aggressive war application- cavitation torpedoes. The cone of a torpedo is shaped in such a way that it creates a bubble in front and (at least partially) around of itself = such torpedo travels through water as if it was slightly denser air giving it much, much greater speed and thus making it more difficult for a target to evade one. A torpedo blast that damaged and sunk "the Kursk" was apparently due to a testing of such a torpedo that went wrong.

[@benjaminricci5458]

Not to correct Jingles, but for a slightly more detailed description of what cavitation is, here you go. (Please correct/inform me if I am off) Cavitation is due to the area of low pressure behind the fins of the propeller. The low pressure, just as if you were to put soda in a vacuum, kind of sucks the air out of the water and forms many tiny bubbles on the back of the fins, effectively boiling the water. These bubbles rapidly pop and cause lots of vibrational noise in the water.

[@jessegd6306]

No Jingles, the Jaws quote is "You're going to need a bigger boat."

[@blackspartan3220]

I'm really loving the series

[@Allan_aka_RocKITEman]

_"And the Navy are dumb enough to give me another boat!"_ 😊😊😊 _"But my screw ups for the day ain't finished yet."_ 😄😄😄

[@swagsorrex]

Oh my god thank you so much jingles

[@jonnyhepcat]

Cavitation is caused because the pressure drops on the trailing end of the propeller. If the pressure drops low enough then the water boils which creates the bubbles which makes a lot of noise. The worst part about that noise is that is stands out against the ambient ocean sounds. As you go lower the pressure is higher which allows you to turn the screw faster without "boiling" the water.

[@BinkyTheElf1]

Cavitation is also very tough on props themselves. The small implosions will actually cause pitting damage and wear on the trailing edge of propellers over time-- particularly surface vessels. I don't know enough about subs to say whether this is a maintenance problem for them.

[@daveberry7906]

Jingles, you are an absolute tease. You better not wait several days to post the next episode of this adventure.

[@Macabri_2k10]

cavitation also degrades your propeller blades. the imploding cavitation bubbles basically eat away at the propeller due to high pressure and temperature changes during the process. Once the surface is disturbed it tends to attract future cavitation bubbles to the same spot and you get quite deep circular holes which can significantly weaken the propeller blade which in worst case make it just fall off and in the best case make it inefficient and noisy

[@RemusKingOfRome]

"west Germnay has been conquered " ? .... Merkle will be having a party !

[@grelymolycremp7838]

RemusKingOfRome5 I'd rather be partying than in a gulag so yeah, party time!

[@ringowunderlich2241]

The game is set in a time, Merkel would still be a minor physicist at the east german academy of science.

[@shidder_mutt]

Ringo Wunderlich to bad things didn't get hot and that college nuked.

[@Dzharek]

have you seen who she did run against?

[@grelymolycremp7838]

Txtspeak, she got elected because she is the best out of the other candidates we have. Germany is tired of Merkel but everyone else is worse.

[@ironwolfF1]

Oh my, Jingles ignored the Big Blue Dot. Insert two quarters to play again. ;-)

[@pincopallino6765]

Damn Jingles, you screwed up hard that Tomahawk mission!

[@hannesnordnilsson1808]

damn good videos Jingles, love this series!

[@FlashDAH]

Love your new bromance with Jive Turkey, nice to see you making more friends out here on the interwebs :D

[@markojablanov9734]

I have literally no idea what you were talking about this whole video(S1,sonars,shits&stuff...) and I still watched it to it`s full extend....Damn you and your sexy voice Jingles,damn you....:D

[@MrRickVIce]

I love watching you play this game.

[@ManHobbyChannel]

Cavitation is the speed of the water across the screw, that creates such a low pressure, that the water actually boils. This creates steam bubbles of the blades. The higher the pressure around the vessel, the higher the pressure of the water around the screw. Thus higher speeds are possible the deeper you are.

[@a5teroth]

Just found this channel. These videos have convinced me to buy this game.

[@thomash1]

This is a great Series Jingles! Keep it up

[@nicholshim1]

"Your mission should you choose to accept it..." sounds like Mission Impossible.

[@TallulahSoie]

Talked to my dad about this game who was a submariner a ways back. Was a very interesting conversation.

[@piersgroube4619]

Just by the title and the description I know what's gonna happen. DAMN YOU JINGLES! Banished to the Salt Mines never to come out? Okay my Gnomish Overlord.

[@Seldonlair]

Goddamn it Jingles, DO NOT SINK THE SUB WITH THE NAME OF MY HOME TOWN.

[@thebooshdog9796]

I love that name, Jingles McJingleBerry!

[@BinkyTheElf1]

Dear Jingles.. thanks for showing a complete botch of a first mission. They are fun, informative, and remind the non-unicum universe of the glory of screw-ups. Had Hitler failed (and learned) more, we'd all be screeching in German.

[@Muck006]

Cavitating actually creates "bubbles of VACUUM" which then COLLAPSE and make noise.

[@vicmclaglen1631]

I still have my old Dangerous Waters

[@DBenX]

i was a red storm rising addict on the c64 generation. seeing you play cold waters amazes me so much, because i am familiar with all events, weapons & tactics shown. and i am afraid i will have to purchase this game sometime soon, when there is a special discount on steam for it. my wife will hate it, that's for sure.

[@dy031101]

"And the Navy is dumb enough to give me another boat!"

[@tomriley5790]

Not sure if it's modelled but actually firing from the disengaged side could help mask the launch signature, so was done in reality.

[@taxidenis6267]

I allways laughing when listen you man. Very good videos. Thx for this.

[@ewfisher89]

It's that bloody submarine game again ;).

[@DangerKnerd1]

I love this series!

[@EdRaby71]

Just want to thank you Jingles for branching out to other games. I love WoT but it is always good to see someone else besides myself who considers themselves crap enjoying games and giving me a look at some other games to consider. Perhaps the whole WoT controversy has silver lining. Peace.

[@Foureye15]

Yes!!! I love this series.

[@hybrid_grizzly]

Cavitation bubbles are a vacuum, so they collapse almost instantly which produces a lot of noise

[@TobiasL1000]

This game looks not like a game I would play, but damn just watching u playing it and listen to you is so much fun XD

[@shankarramachandran3661]

Jingles , I think waiting for a while after getting a contact is usually better than snapshotting a tube off, because sub packs seem to run alternately at speed while the others listen. Also you're basically putting up a big sign saying here I am! Which leaves you quite vulnerable to sneaky boats in the area. Learnt this the hard way after a undetected kilo blew me out of the water and my crew went to the gulag.

[@georgeferguson7114]

Hi there. I live in Dunoon, next door to Sandbank and Kilmun which encompass the Holy Loch. Sorry to be so pedantic but the US subs were never docked shoreside as in the game illustration. (I'm sure as an ex Andrew you'll know this Jingles). All boats were either alongside the submarine tender, barge or floating dock. And as a safety issue Greenock is pronounced GREENnock. Love the new diversity on your channel.

[@jerrystahl6043]

this game looks fun. great video jingles

[@AceVonGames]

I would have to agree with that statement...

[@gottithehun]

Loving this series!

[@skid439]

I'm really enjoying this series. I may try this game out!

[@vladdrakul7851]

This is the one game he is actually REALLY good at"

[@IonoTheFanatics]

... when i saw those missile launch i had to facepalm, oh well it won't be Jingles without it

[@Joeayresphotography]

Jingle's you can launch your TLAM's from a max depth of 400 feet. You don't need to go to periscope depth. The anti ship missle's can be fired from a depth of 200 feet.

[@TraustiGeir]

Oh, what a shame about the USS Rickover; I was really looking forward to the TLAM mission. But no matter, for I have faith in Commander Jingles McJingleberry!

[@majgijoe]

Looks like your Hyman got popped.

[@OkaNieba]

Plz, MORE OF THIS!!

[@luckybadgerapples]

I have to admit it was a bit painful seeing all the Navy-nubee mistakes, but it's all part of the fun. Rule #1 when in enemy territory - always use your periscope and check the surface!

[@jeremiaas15]

For more on cavitation, read Tom Clancy's "Hunt for the Red October". Half of the book is just about that (if memory serves. I mean, that's about the only thing I remember from it)

[@wilomica]

I just got the game on sale. I actually like the land attack missions. As you mentioned years back it takes a week or two to get the hang of the game but it's worth it.